The Panthers Other Guys; the Non-Draft Picks
A lot has been made lately over the fact that the Panthers have 35 draft picks on their 53 man roster. That's a high number for any team, and it's testament to the good scouting and opportunistic drafting done by the Panthers over the past few years.
Who thought that selecting Ryan Kalil made sense when they had just signed pro-bowl center Justin Hartwig from the Titans? And why Dan Connor when we had Jon Beason? The Panthers didn't care, they took opportunities like that when they were presented, and now they have a great colletion of home-grown talent.
For most teams, the draft is more miss than hit. Core parts of the roster are gotten there, but then they augment them with high-priced free agents. Sometimes it works out. Atlanta's quite happy with Michael Turner, and though they didn't get the same results with Mike Peterson last year they were willing to try again with the signing of Dunte Robinson this year.
But for every Michael Turner there seem to be several Albert Haynesworths. Washington loves high profile free agents, but they haven't had much success with them. Ask Chicago how well Jay Cutler has worked out, or see what they think of Julius Peppers after this season.
Typically, the best way to build a roster is through the draft. And the Panthers have proven to be as good as any in that regard.
But after those 35, who are the other guys? And how did they get here? What kind of impact will they have? This article takes a look at those questions. For the Carolina Panthers, here are "The Other Guys."
Tyler Brayton, #96 (6-6, 280lb DE, 8th year, Colorado)
When it became apparent that Mike Rucker was just plain done as a player, the Panthers went out and quietly signed free agent Tyler Brayton from the Oakland Raiders. The former first round pick was playing Defensive Tackle in Oakland, and had been relegated to the second string. All he's done in Carolina is resurrect his career at the Defensive End position. Brayton is a high-motor player who's always been good against the run, but who's become a sack threat late in his career.
Derek Landri, #61 (6-2, 290lb DT, 4th year, Notre Dame)
The Panthers claimed Landri off waivers last December, when Jacksonville decided that he just wasn't a fit for their new 3-4 defensive scheme. Landri is a smaller defensive tackle who's always been an intense player. Sports Illustrated put him on their top ten draft steals list when he dropped to the fifth round, and as a rookie he scored a rare defensive tackle "hat trick" (a sack, a pick and a fumble recovery) against the Steelers playing in relief of the injured John Henderson. He may not look like a prototypical defensive tackle, but he plays like an ideal fit for Ron Meeks' defense.
Louis Leonard, #94 (6-4, 325lb DT, 4th year, Fresno State)
Early in the season last year, the Panthers were reeling from injuries on the defensive line. Marty Hurney did some great work at the time, restocking players almost as fast as they went down. It may not have been fast enough for some fans, who always want stuff done before you know you need it, but the process brought in Louis Leonard from the Cleveland Browns for a fifth round draft pick. Leonard made a quick impact, registering a sack in his first game. Unfortunately, he went down in the second, out for the season with a broken left ankle. Leonard was undrafted in 2007, and had stops in San Diego and St. Louis before landing in Cleveland.
Matt Moore, #3 (6-3, 202lb QB, 4th year, Oregon State)
In 2007, the Panthers claimed Matt Moore off waivers as a developmental prospect. He wasn't drafted, but showed enough in preseason with Dallas that several teams perhaps thought he should have been, including the Panthers. Jake Delhomme was entrenched as the starter and David Carr had recently been signed to back him up, but Fox and Hurney felt that Moore could possibly develop into a quality player, given time to learn behind the starters. That year, Delhomme and Carr were injured and Vinny Testaverde was signed to take the helm. When he went down late in the year, they turned to the rookie and he won two of his three starts. He didn't play in 2008, but in 2009 he took over for the injured and ineffective Delhomme and led the team to a 4-1 finish. He doesn't have as much experience as many would like, but his performance to date gave the front office enough confidence to release Delhomme and give Moore the reins.
The Specialists
John Kasay, #4 (5-10, 210lb K, 20th year, Georgia)
John Kasay is the last original Panther, and don't be surprise if he's the next statue outside of Bank of America stadium. He was signed away from Seattle in 1995 after leading them in scoring during all of his four years there.
Jason Baker, #7 (6-2, 205lb P, 10th year, Iowa)
Jason Baker was an undrafted free agent who played in San Francisco, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and Indianapolis before landing in Denver and assuming their full-time punting duties. After the 2005 season, the Panthers traded pro-bowl kicker Todd Sauerbrun to the Broncos for Baker and a 2006 seventh round pick (who would later become Stanley McClover). Since then Baker has far out-performed Sauerbrun, who bounced around the league after testing positive for steriods in 2006 and currently kicks in the UFL.
Todd Carter, #5 (6-1, 190lb K, 1st year, Grand Valley State)
Todd Carter, AKA "The Smoothie King", is a rookie deep-kickoff specialist who went undrafted. Rhyss Lloyd filled that role in 2008 and 2009, but was cut after the 2009 season in part to avoid paying an increased veteran minimum. Based on pre-season performances, it was probably a good move. Carter had more touchbacks, and Lloyd was cut by the Vikings.
J.J. Jansen, #44 (6-2, 256lb LS, 3rd year, Notre Dame)
In another salary cap move, the Panthers cut longtime long snapper Jason Kyle in 2008 to help them afford Julius Peppers' mammoth salary. He was replaced by Jansen, who was an undrafted free agent on the Green Bay Packers roster. Jansen never played for the Packers, he injured his left knee and spent his rookie year on injured reserve. The trade was for a conditional 2011 draft pick, which looks to be a seventh rounder.
The Depth
Ed Johnson, #99 (6-2, 296lb DT, 2nd year, Penn State)
Ed Johnson was once a steal of a find for the Indianapolis Colts. He was an undrafted free agent out of Penn State in 2007, and as a rookie made the starting lineup when Anthony McFarland got injured. His 72 tackles were the most among the defensive linemen that year, and he finished the season in the NFL top 20 tackles for all rookies. His problems in Indianapolis started the next year, when he was arrested for speeding and marijuana possession. The Colts cut him 24 hours later, and then re-signed him for a second chance after the season. His next stint with the Colts was ineffective, prompting them to release him during the season for poor performance. He then signed as a free agent with the Panthers, following Defensive Coordinator Ron Meeks, under whom he had his success at Indianapolis. He figures to be a situational run stopper for the Panthers this year.
Tyrell Sutton, #22 (5-8, 213lb RB, 2nd year, Northwestern)
Sutton was undrafted out of Northwestern in 2009, and spent the preseason on the Green Bay Packers roster. He was placed on waivers during the final cuts, and claimed by the Panthers, who needed a return man and depth at fullback. Although Sutton doesn't fit the traditional fullback mold, he's a solid blocker and a good all-around player in the mold of Nick Goings.
Marcus Hudson, #25 (6-2, 200lb S, 5th year, North Carolina State)
Marcus Hudson was originally drafted by the San Francisco 49ers to play cornerback, and while he never became a full-time starter there he showed a talent for special teams. He didn't fit the 49ers defensive scheme well enough to merit them keeping him, and once his rookie contract was up they allowed him to become an unrestricted free agent. His strength is his versatility, and his physical style makes him a great fit in the cover 2. He will likely be the gunner on special teams, and should excel in the backup defensive back role that Dante Wesley once played.
Charly Martin, #83 (6-1, 212lb WR, 2nd year, West Texas A&M)
Martin is another undrafted free agent that started his NFL career on another team, this time the Chargers. He made it to their final cuts in 2009, and then was placed on waivers. The Panthers picked him up and signed him to their practice squad as a development project. This year he looks to have improved enough to make the final roster, mainly based on his special teams talent. He's been favorably compared to former Panther captain Karl Hankton; not only can he play special teams, he can catch the ball as well.
Jamar Williams, #53 (6-0, 237lb LB, 5th year, Arizona State)
Jamar Williams seems like he's always been a victim of circumstance. A fourth round pick of the Chicago Bears in 2006, he played the same position as all-pro Lance Briggs, and rarely saw the field. When he did, he displayed the kind of speed and football smarts that marked him as a future starter, and he did very well on special teams for them. But as long as Briggs was there, he wasn't going to do more than show flashes of what he could do (like his 18 tackle game against the Rams). He was traded to the Panthers for strong safety Chris Harris, and when Thomas Davis went down he looked like a lock to gain a starting job in Carolina. Unfortunately, an injury during training camp derailed his hopes there, but he still brings quality depth to a position that's traditionally been a strength for the Panthers.
Nic Harris, #59 (6-2, 232lb LB, 2nd year, Oklahoma)
Harris was a fifth-round pick for the Buffalo Bills in 2009, but barely got a chance to develop before he got caught up in a numbers game. The Bills changed from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4, and cut him when he failed a physical after the 2009 season. Carolina invited him to camp, and the Panthers have obviously been pleased with his health, and play. He was one of the most productive tacklers on the defense in the preseason, and even though most of them came against the other teams' second and third string players, the Panthers saw enough to think he may provide quality depth for them.
Jordan Senn, #57 (5-11, 224lb LB, 3rd year, Portland State)
Jordan Senn was in undrafted free agent signee of the Indianapolis Colts in 2008, where he mainly played on Special Teams. He figures to do more of the same in Carolina, where he was signed for depth after he was cut by the Colts in the middle of the 2009 season.
Tim Duckworth, #78 (6-4, 318lb G, 1st year, Auburn)
To be honest, Tim Duckworth is probably the least secure of the Panthers. An undrafted free agent out of Auburn in 2007, he has spent time on the practice squads in Denver, New Orleans, and Philadelphia. He has yet to make an appearance in any NFL game outside of the preseason.
Andre Neblett, #68 (6-0, 295lb DT, Rookie, Temple)
Neblett is an undrafted free agent out of Temple who got a roster spot based on his playmaking ability during the preseason. He has never played for another team in the NFL.
Garry Williams, #65 (6-3, 296lb T, 2nd year, Kentucky)
Garry Williams is back for his second season with the Panthers after being signed as an undrafted free agent in 2009. Like Neblett, he has never played for another NFL team.
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So there you have it. The other guys--the undrafted, traded for, found, or claimed guys that fill in the gaps of the Carolina Panthers roster. No stars, no overpriced free agents, just some reliable lunchpail types who look to make Sundays a lot more fun for all of us.
I'm not sure what you all think after reviewing this, but I think we've got a heck of a good GM in Marty Hurney.
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Nice
Knee jerk reaction - adj. 1. an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive. 2. a facilitator of long threads on Cat Scratch Reader and similar blogs.
Awesome breakdown!
Some fun facts about these ‘other guys’:
- JJ Jansen played one year with Jimmy Clausen at Notre Dame
- Louis Leonard played two years with Richard Marshall at Fresno State
- Ed Johnson played with Dan Connor at Penn State
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I played against myself in the backyard.
I don’t wanna brag, but I did pretty well …
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 8, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was better on defense.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 8, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
When in the backyard
it was probably better that you were playing against than with.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Good stuff Cyberjag...I like it
More fun facts: Marcus Hudson played against Calvin Johnson in college and still considers him the best WR he’s ever faced. (Ya’’ll know how I love Calvin!)
I like that one dude, what's his face ...
… the one that did good, but we didn’t think he’d do good … but he did good.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Very interesting and informative (rec'd). Now we know about "The Others". And yes,
anyone still of the opnion that Hurney isn’t a great GM is simply hebetudinous.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
He seems to Hit on everything…well except WR’s
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
So you are not a Keary Colbert fan? Not really a Drew Carter guy?
…Just trying to see where you stand on those (sarcasm, all of it).
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Sep 8, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s more of a Walter Young, Ryne Robinson kinda guy…
by r3 on Sep 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hebetudinous
That is the first time I have ever seen that word… For others like me:
heb·e·tude definition
Pronunciation: /ˈheb-ə-ˌt(y){uuml}d/
Function: n
: the absence of mental alertness and affect (as in schizophrenia)
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
by Tater596 on Sep 8, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bravo Rick Bates
The use of hebetudinous pushed the full reaches of my perspicacity.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I was trying not to call anybody crazy or dense or stupid, knowing that if they were,
they wouldn’t have the sense to look up the word lol.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
That assessment was pulchritudinous
Knee jerk reaction - adj. 1. an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive. 2. a facilitator of long threads on Cat Scratch Reader and similar blogs.
My only real knock on Marty Hurney this year is that he hasn't taken advantage of free agency.
He’s a wonderful manager. But partly due to Jerry Richardson’s insistence for us to not spend money this year and have a young team going into the new CBA negotiations, we didn’t take advantage of free agency as much as I have hoped. There were plenty of capable #2 wideouts we could have gotten during the off-season, but we missed those opportunities. We could have used a strong veteran that can play at multiple positions along the offensive line. Just a few moves.
Brilliant article by the way.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Big Cat closed his check book for this season. Fox and Hurney pretty much had to make due with what they had which wasn’t a hell of a lot. Draft picks and other peoples scraps to fill in the holes left by so many vets.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I've wondered if this year's stingyness is a result of going for gold last season and missing.
We spent a lot in 2009, and the long-term QB signing could have been due to Fox’s influence. This could be a form of punishment, or something they decided on during the Jake deal. “If this doesn’t work out, the reigns come back in next year, Fox.”
I have a strong suspicion
that JR is going to look like a super-genius next year at this time. Maybe I’ll write an article about it then. :)
Plenty of 1 year contract vets out there with plenty of talent that wouldn’t effect anything dealing with next year…Just Saying.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I honestly can’t think of anyone worth taking a roster spot from one of our up and comers on a 1 year deal.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Not Anymore i would of sent Sutton packing for Houshmandzadeh but thats me. Give up a #4 RB for a #2 WR. sounds good to me.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
He's actually the 3rd RB and the starting KR
And I’m not sure you would want Housh if you met the guy. There’s a reason a team with nothing at the WR position cut him. Dude has a horrible, me-first attitude. He’s the anti-panther. You want a guy like that showing all our young guys how to be a pro?
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Sep 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can catch the football i could care less. He did a lot with a little last year and why keep a stock pile off RB’s when its obviously a passing league. Recheck your depth chart also Goodson is 3rd and also starting KR. Sutton has been bumped from both. For a one year go it is worth the shot. He gets out of line 89 will put him in check.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I find it incredibly disgusting that so many people are joking about Steve Smith punching Lucas when Smith himself was so contrite about it.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 8, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He has 3 incidents that we know of with physical altercations with team mates. You can take the man out the streets but you can’t take the streets out the man. That chip is what makes him who he is. I wouldn’t want him any other way.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Back to Sutton v. Housh, Sutton’s a beast on special teams, and a utilitarian backfield player. He’s demonstrated an ability to do well at fullback (my distaste for our current FB is well documented and ongoing), and forced a fumble on kick coverage during preseason. You need hard-working, team-first guys filling out your roster; Housh is the opposite of that. And he ain’t covering kicks.
When you’re talking about guys like Sutton and Housh, I’ll take Sutton 99 times out of 50.
by r3 on Sep 9, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Smith jokes about it too...
You can find a clip of YouTube of him talking and joking with D-Will about it. ST actually found it and it is now part of my Radio Show intro that will be rolled out at the next show
One step forward, two steps back
Part of the reason we have a competitive team every year with playoff potential and aren’t boom-bust is that we plan for the future. Ruining your future starters is not in that game plan.
you nailed it ERL
Don’t mess with our Chemistry
by Panther Eddie on Sep 9, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That's actually what I've been thinking about Cyber. That's the whole other side of this.
If this CBA goes through and the Owners win, and the salary cap gets dropped by 20%. Holy crap. He will look like a super genius. All other teams from all over the NFL will be having to cut players left and right in order to get under the salary cap.
And who will be the team with all the young, cheap talent? Emphasis on cheap.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I have no doubt
that there would be a grandfather clause inserted to keep teams from being penalized for being over the cap. But it will surely hamstring teams in terms of signing new free agents, unless they have the foresight that JR does…
I disagree
When the cap was originally put in place were teams required to either restructure contract or release players? Of course what happened last time doesn’t meant it would happen this time.
If you really want to do something, you will find a way. If you don't, you will find an excuse.
I don't think so
That’s why I think there would be a grandfather clause. Remember, the guys voting on it are those who would be hurt if there wasn’t. They didn’t get where they are by being stupid. :)
There's a lot more lesser paid players than stars. They all get a vote. If
a cap means more money out of T.O.’s pocket and into mine, I would vote yes.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Oops. Totally misunderstood. From the owner's perspective, those
that held the line (and JR’s not the only one) would definitely be in favor of enforcing the new cap. They watched their checkbooks while others (Baltimore, Jets, etc) did not. Why give an advantage to the undisciplined guys. Even Jerry Jones has been fiscally responsible.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
So, is the argument that JR will be in position to sign big ticket FAs?
News flash: That ain’t happening.
The last big-time free agent we brought in was Keyshawn. Before that it was Ken Lucas. Before that…. I can’t remember. Sean Gilbert? No, I’m sure there was somebody else in there, I just don’t remember. Not sure if you’d consider Justin Hartwig a big FA signing, but that’s what I’m talking about. We aren’t big players in the FA game, and haven’t been since the Sean Gilbert debacle.
No, all we’d gain by having loads of cap space is the ability to re-sign our own guys. DWill needs a contract, Beason, Kalil, Marshall, Thomas Davis, Charles Johnson… we have a lot of contracts to write in the near future, and they’re doing what they have to do to secure the future of this team. FAs aren’t part of that plan.
by r3 on Sep 9, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my point entirely... JR has held the line and been responsble
with the salaries, resignings, etc. pending the CBA outcome. We will be in position to resign our free agents, while other teams are going to have to cut people loose. Big name free agents could be all over the place, but they won’t get the money they’re getting now. The big spenders this offseason are going to have to renegotiate contracts or lose players, simple as that.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
G Mike Wahle, another bust, solidifying the bad taste in their mouthes.
Since we’re spending so much post talk, devoted to what may or may happen 1-2 years down the line, let’s keep in mind that – after a year’s experience playing together, our young guys might be so good, we wouldn’t want anybody else’s castoffs.
If (big if?) the chemistry works, and we win 10+ games this year, with such low expectations, this group could provide more than a nucleus of talent, it could be a dynasty of talent for the league to compete with for years.
He made a pro bowl in Carolina
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
Excellent article, Cyberjag
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace

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