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What has the Panthers 2010 Pre-season taught us?

So the preseason is finally, mercifully over.  Now we get six days that will feel like 60 before the games are real and and the Panthers take the field.  We've had four games to watch them go through the motions, and it's time to talk about what we've learned.

The defense is great.  That's the beginning and end of that story.  No worries, we're happy, healthy, talented, and obviously ready for a great year.

And then there's the offense.  Boy, the offense is bad...

No matter who the quarterback is, the only reliable prediction you can make about this unit based on the last four games is that there will be a lot of punting going on in 2010.  Just look at the box scores, the only touchdowns scored were by the defense or special teams. 

Through four pre-season games, the Panthers averaged a paltry 8.2 points per game.  They were also last in the league in passing, total yards, yards per play, and first downs.  This was not an effective offensive unit, by any definition.

The play calling was just awful.  Where were the power runs on third and short?  Instead we got passes to covered receivers, overthrown balls, sweeps, and just plain bad execution.  It's no surprise that we averaged only 11.8 first downs a game.

Star-divide

We attempted a league-leading seven fourth down conversions, and made just one.  That should say a lot about the effectiveness of our power running game, or it would if we ran on all of them, which we didn't. 

When we ran we were average at best; our 3.9 average was 14th among the 32 NFL teams. But we didn't run much at all, we ran the ball only 38.4% of the time.  That was more often than only four other NFL teams. 

When we passed, we weren't particularly effective either.  Our 3.7 yards per attempt was pitiful, good for last in the league.  We were last in yards per catch too, at 7.6.  When we threw, we threw short, and when we completed the pass, we didn't get much then either.  And predictably, our 49.3% completion percentage was also last in the league.

Take it all together, and it looks bad.  Then when you put it next to last year's offense, it goes from bad to strange.

Consider Matt Moore.  In this collection of highlights from 2009, you see a quarterback who's poised, relaxed, and who scans the field regularly before picking a receiver and delivering the ball.

The Panthers threw for six yards per attempt last year, to go with 10.6 yards per completion.  But the story goes a little deeper than that, because the Panthers used two quarterbacks.  For Moore alone, he threw for 7.6 yards per attempt, and 12.4 yards per completion.  Separate his numbers out in the preseason and you get 4.9 and 10.  Better than the rest of the team, but hardly up to his standards.

And even in his highlights this preseason, you can see him locking on early and staring down his receivers (you'll have to go to NFL.com to see them, due to copyright rules).  Staring down a receiver is common on screens and slants, but it's a big no-no when you're going vertical.  Judging from his 2009 films, Moore obviously knows that.

It gets weirder.  In 2009 the Panthers ran the ball 53% of the time--more often than 30 other teams.  We were the league's third best rushing team.  It's almost as if the Panthers completely forgot that in 2010.

Or maybe they remember it all too well, and used the preseason to work on the rest of the offense.  I'm putting on my tin-foil hat and suggesting that yes, there's a conspiracy afoot.  I believe that John Fox doesn't care about preseason games.

What else explains the discrepancy between last year and this?  It can't be the loss of star receiver Steve Smith, that would almost suggest that you run even more.  Instead they ran less.

You can say they don't want to run without Stewart, or Otah, but that flies in the face of what they did last year when one or both were absent.

You can suggest that all the reports out of camp on how well Moore looked were just public relations, designed to boost ticket sales.  At the same time, you need to accept that he's getting worse instead of better.

Or you can imagine a scenario that has Jeff Davidson telling Moore that he wants a specific play run, no matter what the defense is.  And he wants Moore to hit a specific receiver.  What better way to get the film you need in a game situation? 

In such a scenario, you can easily see Moore doing something crazy, like throwing into triple coverage.  He did that more than once this preseason.  You can see him locking on early.  Staring down becomes a given.  It certainly explains his level of play in 2010.

Maybe Fox isn't interested in converting a third and two by running Williams against an opponent that's fielding six defensive backs.  Maybe he doesn't care if a receiver's route is designed for a five yard pickup when we need 10.  It could just be that he's interested in how well Jarrett runs after the catch, and that's a good way to find out.

I know it sounds crazy, but it just plain looks like Fox & Co. didn't care if they won or lost.  Plays were called to see how different players executed.  You wouldn't notice it as much on the defensive side because all we did was play a few vanilla sets, and a read-and-react zone defense can be pretty effective without a game-plan.

You'd notice that attitude on offense though.  In that scenario, you would see a lot of interesting decisions made, decisions that don't play to your strengths.  You would be missing a lot of the things that you know work.  You would see an offense with a terrible conversion rate, one that had trouble consistently moving the ball.  Sound familiar?

Next week we'll put the conspiracy theory to the test.  If you see the Panthers running the ball more often than they pass it, you'll know it's true.  If throws into coverage go to Jarrett instead of LaFell, there may be something there.  If LaFell and Gettis instead get the shorter throws that require yards after the catch to get a first down, ditto. 

A Carolina offense that pounds the ball to set up the play-action should return.  Matt Moore will do the "drop back, look left, then right, then throw" routine he had last year.  And his long passes won't just go to Smitty.

It won't be like the preseason at all.  Or if it is, it will resemble the preseason in the same way that a game resembles the practice.  Because I believe that was the coaching staff's approach; that preseason games are practice and don't count.

Next week you can probably count on a tough defense that gives Eli Manning several looks, and continues the excellent form they showed in the preseason.

And you can probably expect at least one offensive touchdown.  The only question is whether it will come in the first quarter or the second.  But don't count on it. 

In fact, don't count on anything from the offense.  After all, we haven't really seen it yet.

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Preseason BLAH

This preseason really only showed how much we rely on 89 and Double Trouble. Subtract them and you get zero offense and zero td’s. Im hoping this Otah situation doesn’t drag on. We don’t have the pegs to put in the holes like we used too. We need him on the field. For our running game and Matt Moore’s sake. I expect 89 to come out like a bat out of hell against the giants. He has been sitting waiting watching for quite some time. Giants haven’t been to sharp themselves so if our D can play like they have during the preseason for 4 quarters i see no reason why we can’t start off with a W. Smith and Double Trouble are both good for TD’s this game.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Sep 7, 2010 6:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Time!!!!

I think Fox used the preseason to see what we have WITHOUT our star players,how much he could rely on someone and who that someone was, especially in the passing game. I think our offense will be fine but do not expect them to put up 35 points, it’s John Fox football run and run often, play hard defense, keep the game close into the forth quarter and win with a solid run game in the end when their defense is tired. Our defnse will look good at times and bad at others we have a lot of new players on both sides of the ball. I look for Lafell to impress at timesand make bonehead plays others, he’s a rookie and will make mistakes as well as the rest of the newbies, but we will be just fine 10-6

by NCByrdman on Sep 7, 2010 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post Cyberjag

 Rec’d

Conspiracy # 2Matt stared down his receiver because it gave teams no new tape on how he goes thru his progressions.

#3. We didn’t run because our RB depth was shaky in preseason. We run the 2 headed attack. With Stewart out, we couldn’t risk an injury to DWill. We have a year with Goodson and Sutton to know their strengths and weaknesses, and being third down backs may not be one of them.

#4. We have decided to keep Stewart and DWill after this season. See reasons above.

Great post

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by Oi2dwrld on Sep 7, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

did you all forget

OTA’s and practices were all about trying to fix the passing game. Smitty getting injured gave them an opportunity to take a bunch of young guys and put them in game situations. Play calling was super vanilla, with little running for any of our backs, and a lot of straight up pocket passing. No runs, equals no opportunity to play action pass, which is what Panther football is, run it down your throat, and play action. I don’t believe it was any kind of conspiracy, they said from the beginning the passing game was going to be the focus. They didn’t need to fix what wasn’t broken. It looked to me that they believed the running game was going to be all right, and DeAngelo didn’t do anything to prove them wrong. Then look at the O-line. with Otah down, they moved a few guys around trying to see what they had for depth. Wasn’t pretty. That would explain why the QB’s were locking down receivers quicker- they had little time. That’s what running the ball, and play action passing gives you. That little split second reaction to the ball by the defense, buys the QB an extra second, and the hope is your receivers takes advantage. Would I have liked to see 4 preseason PANTHER FOOTBALL games? YES. But I think they did what they needed to do, and we’ll see a better team for it.

by toonman on Sep 7, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...I agree with you toonman

but I think the fact we’ve already changed out a reserve on the line says they are real excited about our depth on the o-line at the moment. With Robinson on IR we need to get some viable back-ups in a hurry

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by Jaxon on Sep 7, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

feel the same way

not real impressed with depth, hopefully the light bulb comes on for some of these guys, or for the front office

by toonman on Sep 7, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec from me too... Very fun to read

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by southtunnel on Sep 7, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...seriously y'all...

PREseason is PRACTICE. We were constantly throwing the ball because that’s what we need to work on. We know we can run, we don’t know if we can throw it…it makes perfect sense to work on that which we aren’t good at during the preseason. I’m honestly not worried about our offense at all.

by SouthernPanther on Sep 7, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

PRACTICE?

We sittin’ in here, I supposed to be franchise playa, and we in here talking ’bout PRACTICE?

by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cloak and Dagger

We worked on the passing game because we had 10 receivers to weed through and didn’t want to give teams a look at our real offense. Our run game will be fine, and during the season Moore will dump a lot of passes off to our TE’s to help get first downs. Stevie Wonder will be back so there should be no worries as far as passing, except maybe the red zone which I can see us struggling. Our defense is going to get ran all over a few games but our passing defense will be in the top 5 again this year. Also, look for Hurney to lock a few guys up long term as the season progresses.

Now lets all say a little prayer now, that our guys can stay healthy throughout the season.

by oklahomapanther on Sep 7, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know if I mentioned this

Last year 1/4 of our completed passes went to tight ends. This preseason 1/5 of them did. That reduction matches the reduction in our running attempts.

It’s almost as if they actually were working on the passing game instead of running our real offense. Spooky, huh?

Or we can just agree that the sky is falling and we won’t score an offensive touchdown until sometime in October…

by Cyberjag on Sep 7, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

another example with Armanti the other night. (from a panthers.com article)

The Panthers lined Edwards up in the shotgun formation for a half-dozen plays in Thursday’s 19-3 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. He ran out of it twice, handed the ball off twice and threw a pair of passes.

6 plays
2 runs, 2 handoffs, 2 passes = evaluation

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by John Chilton on Sep 7, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we got to see how bad the offense could be

But there is no way we are going to run the ball 38% of the time when it counts. We used preseason for what we needed, glorified inter-mural scrimmaging.

Two of the games (Ravens, Steelers) we didn’t show much because we play them when it counts, and in the other two it was about working as many receivers as possible. Am I concerned the offense will be ineffective? Sure… but do I think it’s going to be as bad as the preseason? No way.

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by James Dator on Sep 7, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to agree with that too

I’m more concerned about the o-line now moreso than Moore.

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by Jaxon on Sep 7, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm solidly with you two on that.

There are 2 obvious reasons we ran plays as we did, in the pre-season:

1) not to give away anything about our playbook, or future strategies;

2) find out which WRs could be trusted to get open, and catch the ball.

Now, unfortunately, the QBs in there weren’t able to throw as they’d have liked to, limiting the quality of the information derived from #2 above – because the OL was so often comprised of backups and guys that aren’t even on the active roster any more (Hisatake, Crummey, Petitti, C.J. Davis, Robinson), or were playing out of position (MacBern at C).

So if Kalil stays healthy, and Otah returns soon, we should see better blocking communication, fewer OL penalties, and vastly better protection for Moore to do his thing.

by bigdavis on Sep 7, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

that’s the way I saw it as well. As a collective group the line has done better in run blocking anyway, always have been kind of 50/50 on the pass blocking. They seem to get into a better pass protection mode later in games, when they’ve built confidence off the runs, and gotten into play action schemes.

by toonman on Sep 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no worries

We were without two of our offensive weapons plus Otah. Even if we had them, the offseason would not have changed much. We were not trying to show the rest of the league what we had, we were trying to show our team what we have. When you insert the game plan, ie running the ball at least 50% of the time, then our passing game will open up. The preseason gave our rookies and inexperienced WR some time to learn route running and find who was the best of the bunch. I would say we accomplished our goal there. Our young receivers are not refined but they do have some experience before the real bullets start flying. However, we didn’t do anything special on defense in terms of game planning but we can all say, “WOW!” We were not quite sure how losing 5 starters would look and we would all agree we look great! Unless Matt Moore has a breakdown, I think 10-6 should be easy, 12-4 would be a small stretch. This is not a Homer or Hater but a realist.

by Deuceklinco on Sep 7, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

That smirk on Smitty's face says...

“Do y’all seriously think our offense will be that bad once the regular season starts?”

The one stat that actually made me fee much better about our offense:

…we ran the ball only 38.4% of the time.

I’m pretty sure that won’t carry over into the regular season.

by Newsinz on Sep 7, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I certainly hope this is the case.

by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 7, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

1 more thing about the qb stats.

Moore didnt get to play much in preseason due to the turnovers from special teams, But he did make some good passes that just werent caught & he had some good completions that were caught for good yardage & called back for other players penalties. That would have made his passing stats a lot better. You know Fox didnt care about wins just from how he sat all the starters out in the 4th game. I believe it was all receiver evaluations.

by MrBernz on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

There is a difference in not at all & only a little while.

@ Kackalack Kid, The Steelers played Roethlisberger and his replacement until the replacement got injured. They also had a lot of their starters on the field for a while in the game. The Panthers played none of thiers at all. Only the ones battling for positions. That shows the Panthers didnt care about a win at all. if they did they would have had their starters in while the Steelers starters were in.

by MrBernz on Sep 7, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preseason doesn’t matter… the Colts are 4-20 in the last 6 years preseason… and they’ve made the playoffs for the last 7 years or something like that.

Fox was using the time available to get the WR’s time to show what they’ve got… it’s free tinker time. “What happens if we do this with this guy?” kind of stuff. It doesn’t matter really because there’s no game plan other than evaluating.

We know the defense looks pretty solid… the offense looks shaky… let’s hope, once the game plans are put in, that both look solid.

by scorpion12 on Sep 7, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

The QBs were told who to throw to on each play

Its all about evaluation in the preseason.

They’ll be fine. Let’s all take a Quaalude and chillax.

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by ERL on Sep 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I keep hearing this line of thinking

Is there an article outlining this, or just speculation? I’ve heard it from several different people and find it hard to imagine the Panthers would want to stunt the development of their QBs by forcing them not to go through their progression and force bad passes purely to work out the WRs.

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by James Dator on Sep 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speculation, of course

As if the coaching staff would ever admit to such a thing! :)

I’ve heard it around, heard it last year too. It’s something that’s never been confirmed or denied. And I’ve never seen Moore lock in so early and so often, so I’m kind of believing it.

by Cyberjag on Sep 7, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the QBs were told what to do specifically...

…why did Clausen audible so much in the first game particularly?

by aceofsween on Sep 8, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did he?

Maybe he was just barking out defensive coverages, identifying the mike, etc.

With so little experience, I doubt he was able to, or authorized to, change plays. That’s just urban legend, promoted by some of his supporters here.

by bigdavis on Sep 8, 2010 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll concede to that… I just noticed the difference, primarily in the first game, between himself and Moore.

by aceofsween on Sep 9, 2010 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

In case you dont know, the audible call for the preseason was pointing to each earhole of the helmet if you want to go back over all the tape

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by Sniff on Sep 8, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking, James.

How could any of us, outside the organization, know something like that to be true? I mean, it certainly SEEMS that way, at least I hope it’s that way, but do we really know? Are we just being positive in light of how poorly our offense performed? I understand we needed a look at our young, unproven receiving corps, but if it’s about player assessment, how do you assess a QB if he’s not playing the way he would in a “real game situation”?

by The Kackalack Kid on Sep 7, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can see it

I don’t need to be told what I can see.

It’s not unique to the Panthers. Watched Kerry Collins do it. It was pretty funny how pissed he got.

Stunt? It’s preseason. These guys have all played a lot of football. A few preseason snaps are not going to turn guys into something they’re not.

"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."

by ERL on Sep 7, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

When they have to decide between 8 new players or players that havent performed well in the past

the only way to evaluate is to have the qb throw to players even when thats not the way to make a play. I believe thats what they did & i believe thats rthe right thing to do. They already know Moore was going to be the starter & that Clausen would be his back up. But those bad calls just to try out the receivers also still helped the qb get experience. He still had to pass the ball as best he could. Anytime a qb is in the pocket against another team, theyre getting some experience.

by MrBernz on Sep 7, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something must be in the water... everyone's 'uppity' today

Just curious if we had anything concrete on this, or whether it was speculation.

It appears to be the latter, no matter how plausible it may be.

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by James Dator on Sep 7, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody is drinking from a different water source, must be solar flares

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by Sniff on Sep 7, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call Sniff

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by James Dator on Sep 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Matt Moore

Played well into the 4th quarter of the Titans game, the whole point was to evaluate the receivers?

I do agree with one thing though – let’s not read too much into preseason games.The offense will be much better than we saw but at the same time our defense probably won’t be quite as dominant.

by pieterzen on Sep 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

It's because he wanted to.

You could see him pleading with the coaching staff.

"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."

by ERL on Sep 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That raises a whole

bunch of other questions I don’t even want to think about.

I am not saying I know what the story is – I am just not comfortable with the speculation and I can’t wait for the real thing.

by pieterzen on Sep 7, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear, ya

But the dude will be fine, (I hope).

"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."

by ERL on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the opinion about the defense only

And I must say it’s just plain silly to be very concerned about this offense…remember we are adding J.Gross who was injured..Just silly to think anything negative about the offense when they were sorting out talent at wr…sorry cyberjab,but if you think we can only muster 1 touchdown against any defense you simply dont know of what you speak…Panthers Rule! Panthers 27 giants 10…Pessimists BEWARE!

by Panther Eddie on Sep 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Eddie, read it again

I’m saying we score our first touchdown in the first or second quarter, not our only touchdown. Basically, the entire premise of the article is that our offense sucked in the preseason because we never really played it. And by extension, it’s going to be good in the regular season.

by Cyberjag on Sep 7, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's another theory... "89's in the building!"

Moore’s highlight real is like #89 every other play. Take every other pass of the Pre-Season and insert one of those passes to Smitty and you have a completely different offense.

Steve Smith makes a huge difference and will make other parts of the offense go as well. If he goes down however, we very well could look like that Pre-season offense.

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by southtunnel on Sep 7, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

My Theory ...

It was pratice and they wanted to test out the new receiving corps. Just to see if anyone had any connection to the starting QB. You play those preseason games to evaluate talent, not wins. So I really have no worries giong into starting weekend. Williams and Stewart will draw an 8 man front at some point in the game and Smith will be in single coverage. Usually that leads to a TD for someone.Look foward to the matchup of our young fast O-line vs. their aged O-line.

by Jp_here on Sep 7, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Relax

Smith and D-Will will radically change defenses. As they worry about double coverage on Smith and committing safeties to help stop the running game, you’ll see much more production from the # 2 and #3 receivers (likely Lafell and Gettis, with a little Armanti thrown in) and the tight ends. I think the challenge with the Giants is whether we can stop their power running game with our DT’s.

by magicman56 on Sep 8, 2010 6:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Undoubtedly true...

However, it is very distressing that we have close to zero offensive firepower behind Smitty and to a lesser extent Otah. Hopefully this problem will take care of itself once our new WRs get a bit more experience.

by patosan on Sep 8, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

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