My Two-Cents on the Roster and Upcoming Season
Now that the draft has come and gone...training camp is over...preseason is done...and the 53-man roster is set (at least until we finish monitoring the waiver wire and filling out the practice squad), I thought it might be worthwhile to examine where we see ourselves as the Carolina Panthers for the 2010-2011 season. The way I see it, we're going into our schedule with a very young group of players. Now maybe that makes us leaner, hungrier, or more intense? Maybe it makes us better? Maybe it makes us worse? All I think we can really say right now is that it makes us different.
That's because this team has undergone a serious makeover compared to where we were last year. Does that make us better? You never know. Some say we have an easier schedule. I don't necessarily buy that. We'll find out just how easy it is once the season gets underway, because every team makes moves to improve themselves during the off-season. And that goes for us, too. Because I believe it became very evident last year that many of the players we had on the squad just weren't getting it done. We kept trying the same things...or we kept using the same players when we tried to do new things. And it wasn't good enough. So we chose to turn the page and shake things up prior to the potential lockout year.
So let's examine some of those changes and evaluate the future...
...after the jump...
We changed out a lot of veterans this year. In fact, we've become one of the youngest teams in the league. Some say we did that just because of the money. With the disagreement between the owners and the players' union over the collective bargaining agreement, everyone expects a lockout next year. Payroll and roster trimdowns become an inevitable consequence as the owners prepare to batten down the hatches and ride out the storm. But I'm looking beyond that. And I believe the Panthers needed a shake-up. I think we extracted as much as we could from our former crop of players. They saw us through some good times and some bad. But we were starting to stagnate in some ways. And, in others, where we tried to do something new (like changing out so much of our coaching staff with Ron Meeks for Trgovac, Jeff Davidson for Dan Henning, and promoting Jeff Rodgers to take over special teams after firing Danny Crossman), I think we found that some players just didn't have the skillset or couldn't adapt to the new philosophy. So, let's take a look at some of those players we released, retired, or replaced...
DE - Julius Peppers? I believe he was on cruise-control and just biding his time until he could wait us out and leave. We did the one-year "pay him a million dollars a game" move as a stop-gap so we could buy time to transition away from him. And honestly, are we going to miss him? I don't think so. Meeks has a system in which our current and new DEs and DTs can flourish. So we turned the page and I don't think we need to look back even if Peppers does well for Chicago. It's time for a new chapter on defense and the Panthers have much more going on there than just Julius Peppers.
QB - Jake Delhomme? I feel for this guy. It's got to sting to go out on that kind of note. In some ways, I think he was being asked to do things on offense he couldn't pull off. Or maybe it was his elbow? Or maybe he just lost confidence or something? He always took risks and many would say he never had the skillset to succeed on all of them. So maybe it was inevitable that we would see "Bad Jake" surface in equal measure to "Good Jake." Regardless, I believe the team itself was starting to lose confidence in Delhomme. They would never publicly say so, of course. But you could see the impact those turnovers were having on everyone's body language. To turn the page, the Panthers had to make a bold move for the future of the franchise. We had to bring in some QBs...and better ones than just those we had on the roster. Josh McCown? Gone. Matt Moore? Promote from #3 to #1 as the most experienced guy left in the system and see what he can do when given the reins. What if that doesn't work out? Draft somebody. Jimmy Clausen? Potential franchise QB and insurance in case Matt Moore walks after becoming a free agent. Tony Pike? Additional insurance so we still have someone around to back up Clausen if Matt leaves. Hunter Cantwell? Still too raw. But also has practice squad eligibility left. Seeing as how we've gotten away with stashing him there before, why not do so again? Between him and Pike, he's the most likely to clear waivers. What about Armanti Edwards? Sure, he played QB in college, but no one honestly expects him to ever be a starting QB in the NFL. Even so, he adds a new passing threat to the wildcat formation and could make a serviceable QB in an absolute injury-plagued situation. So, we've turned the page in a pretty major way here. You don't hand things over to a different QB and expect to remain status quo. This means we're moving as a franchise. No longer stagnant or waiting for guys already on the roster to make things happen.
LB - Na'il Diggs? He was always a serviceable, experienced veteran to have at LB. But he too had reached the twilight of his career. The fact that no one else could beat him out in training camp spoke volumes to me. So we bring in Jamar Williams. We promote James Anderson. Even with Thomas Davis on IR, we experiment with shifting Jon Beason over so Dan Connor can finally get on the field. All of these moves indicate to me that the Panthers are searching for a way to improve what they've got on the field rather than continuing with the status quo. And I believe we're already seeing it pay off. Team speed is up. The younger guys are learning and adapting to Meeks' system very quickly. And I would even venture that they're building a better sense of camaraderie without the presence and uncertainty of Julius Peppers hanging over them. It also makes Jon Beason the de facto leader of the defense (which most would argue he already was). And, in some ways, I think the time-sharing of MLB, signal-calling duties between Beason and Connor will help them all play on the same page that much better.
S - Chris Harris? Another player starting to reach the downside of a very good career. But he lacked footspeed in the coverage game. We had younger, leaner safeties who could run and cover. Meeks wants a fast defense flying to the ball. Time to turn the page again. We've got young guys with an open mind ready to buy into Meeks' system. It's also a pass-happy league. And, swapping out the fumble-causing Chris Harris for interception-capable safeties is probably a good thing. Harris wasn't causing as many fumbles lately anyway. And this move sent another signal to everyone that "nobody's safe" on the roster if they aren't focused on learning the system and productive on the field with it. Hence, I still see this as a good move.
DT - Damione Lews and Ma'ake Kemoeatu? So we jettison both our starting DTs from a couple of years ago. Anyone worried? We all knew Kemo was a space-eater, but he's not a guy that's going to have the speed and pass-rushing capability I think Meeks was looking to have on his D-line. Again, it's a pass-happy league. If he can develop footspeed among his LBs and safeties, they can provide run support for smaller-sized DTs whose primary responsibility is to get after the QB. In the meantime, there have got to be better, younger options at DT out there. Time to develop someone or find more capable veterans. Bring in Leonard, Landri, and Johnson. These guys seem to be getting it done. Corvey Irvin and Tank Tyler weren't...or just didn't beat out the performances of the other guys. Andre Neblett? Clearly, we hold onto this guy because of his upside. Again, we're turning the page. Hopefully, for the better...
WR - Muhsin Muhammad? Another serviceable veteran hanging on to what remained of his last years of play. Much like Na'il Diggs, no one could ever beat him out for his spot. So we kept playing him. Even brought him back from Chicago. But if this team is ever going to improve the WR corps, you've eventually got to cut that lifeline and find something else. So we drafted three WRs this year and kept all of them. Brandon LaFell, Armanti Edwards, and David Gettis.That means we're transitioning. But it'll take time to see the payoff. These guys are all young and raw. We had some other young guys we finally decided to let go. Goodbye, Kenny Moore. Wish you could have worked out. But the Panthers need to find something better. And they're looking to develop guys who hopefully have a higher ceiling. Dwayne Jarrett? C'mon, man. You're still hanging on? Maybe by a thread. If you didn't have size and hands (and apparently a good showing on the practice field) you'd be long gone. Better show something on Sundays if you get to start at WR2. Otherwise, I fully expect you to shown the door in the off-season.
FB - Brad Hoover? Nope. Another vet gone. And perhaps this one stung the worst? A fan-favorite. Seemed to have some tread left. Everyone would have loved to see him get some recognition and make a Pro Bowl. But he too had reached the downside of his career. And, if you're going to eventually have to replace him, you might as well start bringing up the next guy and getting him some experience. We did that with Fiammetta last year. The guy's good, just not as experienced as Hoover yet. How does he get that experience? He needs to see the field. You can't keep hanging onto Hoover forever, no matter how well-liked he may be. For the long-term interests of the team, you have to start these young players. And, given all the other changes the Panthers have voluntarily chosen to undergo in an effort to shake themselves up, this move became necessary.
Conclusion:
The primary point in all of this is that the Panthers turned the page on a LOT of positions. Go back and check the roles for the players indicated above. We replaced our starting QB, premiere DE, both DTs, SLB, SS, WR2, and Pro Bowl-caliber FB. That's a major change in direction. We've closed out one era and just now beginning to embark on a new one.
I don't expect all of these moves to pay off right away. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do, of course. Every team needs rookies to step at the same time their veterans are having Pro Bowl years if they want to reach the Superbowl. But, I'm intentionally lowering my expectations for us this season until we see what we've got. Clearly, if we base an analysis of that on what we saw in the preseason, we've got a pretty good defense...maybe a Top 10 defense. But we have a really lackluster offense if we have to go without Steve Smith, Jonathan Stewart, and Jeff Otah. For the first game, it appears we may have to do without at least one of those guys. Meanwhile, special teams continues to be a source of concern. Two of the guys we brought in to help shore them up (i.e., Wallace Wright and Aaron Francisco) are too injured to see the field this season. Kasay is showing signs of age. At least Jason Baker is playing lights out. But we continue to hold our breath everytime someone goes back to receive a punt or kickoff, never knowing quite what we'll see.
All of this means we're still raw. We're young. And we're inexperienced at a lot of key positions on the field. Hence, I believe we're going to go through some major growing pains this year. By the end of the season, we'll have a much better idea of what we've actually got. And we can spend the off-season tweaking and re-tooling the areas of need again by building through the draft. Until then, however, let the adventure begin. And let's pull for these guys to grow up fast as they live out their NFL dream.
My two-cents,
--Neil
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"And the beat goes on..."
Nice summary of the way it was, Neil, and why it’s gonna be different.
I like the fact that the Panthers’ management isn’t afraid to chart their own course, and follow it. They build through the draft, and who’s done a better job at that, anyway, over the last 7-8 years? And they eschew the FA market, even for a quick fix, trusting that their judgment of talent is better than other GMs/Coaches.
Training camp this year sounded like a bonding experience for all the young stallions we’ve got, according to them. Beason and Smitty are strong, demanding leaders, who show how it’s done, and are prime examples of what to emulate on the field, and in practice.
No-one around the league expects much from the Panthers this year. But hunger must be fed, and I’d rather back a hungry and young group like ours, than the over-fed, smug, and self-satisfied group that plays out of the Big Easy. Surprises coming.
by bigdavis on Sep 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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I like how they build through the draft. I think that always needs to be the cornerstone for a franchise. But I also think they overlook too many good free agent opportunities because they’ve been pretty badly burned by some of them in the past. In some ways, I think they have an easier time developing completely new prospects just entering the NFL than they do in evaluating veterans who have been in the league for awhile. For every contributor like a Chris Harris (or maybe even a Mark Jones), we’ve landed some pretty serious duds, as well.
if you can draft well...
you get the skill at a lot less of the cost and that allows you to a) keep vital players on your roster, and b) expand the most unappreciated aspect of a successful team which is depth.
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Nice post Neil...got my Rec
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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Very well said, Neil. Got my rec as well.
There’s a sense of hopeful suspense heading into this season, unlike any I can remember. I’m very impressed that the FO found the onions to make all the roster moves, whether motivated by financial concerns or not. The fact is, this group of young studs could fall flat on their face. Or, they could be the biggest surprise the NFL’s seen in many a year. The potential for this mostly new team is from floor to ceiling.
Important to note, the core group of proven performers like Beason, Double Trouble, Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Otah (get well soon), Gamble, Marshall, and the best of all, “89”, are still here to provide leadership on and off the field. For this reason I am optimistic about making the playoffs. But if they can’t pull it all together this year, the future’s still brighter than it’s ever been.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
"Future's so bright, I gotta wear shades"
Who made that famous?
That's what I get for asking my wife who it was. She was so sure, of course :-(
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I didn't know who sang "Future's so bright.."
I only knew Corey Hart since my wife relentlessly makes fun of me since he’s a “guilty musical pleasure” of mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8Zdjw87Yw
One-hit wonders = tough trivia question.
My first thought was...
Corey Hart…the motorcross racer who married Pink. But I think I got the name wrong
One of the troubling elements though...
…is the future of John Fox. With a young group of players like this, he’s either going to come off as the Coach of the Year if he’s successful…or be sent packing going into the lockout year for underperforming. For better or worse, that’s the hand he’s now dealt himself…or had dealt to him if some of these moves are driven by the financial side of things. Regardless, I hope he coaches his best year ever with these guys.
If the Panthers reach the playoffs, with the very low expectations for the team (not even .500 is expected), he should be a lock for COY
…and Marty Hurney, for GMof the Year (if there is such a title) for the genius in assembling such a draft heavy team of young, moldable players.
Shanahan would’ve been nothing without Elway, I’d say the same about Belichick without Brady. It’s another thing to actually TEACH players how to embrace a system, and then win with it.
(All this providing it works, naturally ;)
+1 to that
given how many people think he’s a lame duck coach. They could be right but I just think JR is smarter than that.
This is really going to be...
…more of a make or break year for Fox. I think he’s been set up to either succeed at a wild level (i.e., Coach-of-the-Year candidate) if he takes these young players and does better than expected. Or, if you’re a pessimist, Fox has been set up to take a major fall, because in a lot of ways Richardson has scaled back what this team is doing going into the potential lockout year as well as signing off on more of a restock-and-reload approach with all the young guns. Given how a lot of fans weren’t happy with Fox standing by Delhomme last year, they’ll finger him that much more if the team doesn’t well this go-around, because Jake is gone now and can’t share in being the scapegoat.
So, because of all those factors, I really do see this year as a big opportunity for the franchise. Fox either gets a big contract extension because he pulls off an amazing coaching job. Or, he gets fired for underperforming two years in a row. Everyone keep a close eye on how the Panthers do in the early going. With this “weak” schedule, the sports media (local and national) will jump on him early if the Panthers do really bad. He’ll be labeled as a coach who’s “on the hot seat” for the rest of the season. Or, on the other hand, if the team does really well and surprises everyone who set such low expectations for them, the Panthers (and Fox, by extension) will become a story they’ll want to follow and they’ll hold the power to make him into a COY candidate.
Another two-cents,
—Neil
Reading about CBA
One of the parts not yet discussed is that coaches may only make 50% of their annual pay. Perhaps the reason he has not been given a contract is because JR isn’t sure how much he wants to pay Fox if there is no season. Or perhaps he will allow other teams to bid for Fox with a guaranteed bonus money.
JR having so much sway with the negotiations is making this season a freaking nightmare.
The least the NFL scheduling committee could have done was given us a monday nighter or one of our bookend games at home.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Sorry
Here is the link, halfway down the page about Who would be the first casualties of a lockout?
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Great post Neil, as always your cents are worth much more.
I hate to call out Hitman because he was here with the community, but it looks like the Panthers made the right call. He’s had a very average pre-season (5 tackles in 3 games) where he didn’t record a single pass defended, FF, INT or sack.
Julius Peppers, on the other hand I love to call out every chance I get… and will continue to do so until he stops making jabs at the Panthers’ organization to the media every chance he gets. Mr. Peppers finished the preseason with two sacks (against Oakland and Arizona, so take them with a grain of salt) and a FF… impressive until you realize we cut Eric Moore who had more production.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Yeah boy. Pep can still bring it against every bad team they face. Sounds familiar.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
We won't see Greg Hardy get cooked on any run plays.
I’d wager he has more TFLs than Peppers has sacks this year (and on probably fewer snaps.)
I’d love to go back and find it… and I forgot who said it but I bet someone on this blog (someone who loved Peppers) that by the end of 2010 Brayton, Brown and Johnson would have more sacks combined than Peppers.
At the time more than one person said I was crazy… now who’s laughing?
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Hell, I believed you.
Right now, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if 2 or 3 of our DEs totaled more sacks than Peppers this year.
If 19 sacks in the 4 pre-season games isn’t a good indicator of how good Meeks’ system is, and how well Hurney can draft pass-rushers, then I don’t know what is. (I’m including my man, Hardy, in that mix, not Brayton.)
Great post as usual Neil!
Definitely shows why we should be more excited this year than for any other year. All these new, young, and fast guys should make for some exciting, hard hitting football. This Panthers team is not going to be afraid to hit you in the mouth, and if they learn the fortitude to roll with the punches other teams are going to try and throw back, they can be very dangerous for years to come.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
Between this and last year's draft...
…they are certainly putting in place a new set of building blocks for the future of the franchise. How well it pays off is yet to be seen. And we’ve already had to jettison some guys who didn’t pan out (i.e., Corvey Irvin and Tank Tyler). But, on the whole, I like several of these guys and can’t wait to see how they develop as they get game experience.
If any of you still have access to video of the last few games, pay attention to how Andre Neblett played when he was in there.
The little man (295 lbs) is an absolute animal in the trenches.
I believe that Hurney made more detailed, positive statements about him, than any player he mentioned in his post-cut interview.
How proud Hurney must be (and deservedly so) that he and his staff spotted and obtained so many future achievers (Neblett, Hardy, Landri, maybe Nic Harris and Tim Duckworth, who knows?) that others didn’t want, or overlooked. And those aren’t even the “skill positions,” just the bread and butter guys.
I suffered, I mean watched the Steelers game last night, and Neblett was making
plays all night. So was Harris. They’re good finds. We’ll see about Duckworth.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Makes you wonder how they passed on Hardy in the 5th round?
Did they really think he would still be there later or simply that he wasn’t worth a 5th?
The 5th round?
The Panthers didn’t have a 5th round pick this year. We traded that one for Tank Tyler, didn’t we? Instead, Fox and Hurney drafted Hardy with their first pick in the 6th round (175th overall). I think they were probably so surprised he fell that far that he became an immediate “best player available” pick for them when he was still sitting there.
He means all other teams passed on him when they had their turns in the 5th round.
You must be sleepy, Neil – not like you to miss that one.
I concur..
Peppers who? He did take plays off. I think Peppers was tired of the coaching staff and the lack of creativity. Chris Jenkins did say the team had no heart, on the field some times thats how it seemed. Hooooooo, that cut me to my heart letting hooooand moooseee go. Hoooo was da man, he was a bull dozer, we could have got 1 more year out of him dang and he wasn’t even that expensive. Moose man, it feels weird not seeing 87 out there in uniform. He always made a clutch play, bc of him I am expecting A LOT out of Jarret he has a big body like the moose, hopefully the hands too. So long Moose, and Hoover I really miss them. Long as we never part with Gas and Burn(J stew/D’lo) I can hold onto to my wig.
You are so right with the return game, I am in for a lot of cardiac arrest with this element of the team. I thought I was the only one scared to breathe when we are returning the ball. Its like they are scared or something, scared to get hit. Or they always fair catch or letting it bounce. VERY SCARY…
Consistency, Creativity, Intensity Please!!!
I'm glad we let Hoov go
Not for his play, but for his health. FBs take some of the worst punishment in the NFL, I’d like him to see 60 and not be in constant pain doing it. He will always be remembered.
Good point...
This could be a lot better for his long term health. I would hate to see him like Elway, who can barely walk I hear.
But... didn't he get picked up by somebody else. I haven't kept up with his status.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
He's listed as a free agent...
…so I don’t know if that means he’s actually retired yet or not. He may still be waiting for a call that never comes. It’s a shame the guy flew under the radar for so long and never got the recognition he deserved. Being on a small market team, he just never got the attention from anyone who could have played up his contributions. Couple that with the fact that the FB position tends to go unnoticed across the board and even on teams who enjoy a larger media market, and he was doomed to toil in anonymity virtually his entire career. It’s a shame, really. The guy deserved at least one Pro Bowl, if you ask me.
Well, at least he has the respect of the fans and the team
If he stays local he will surely be an appreciated person for the rest of his life
The flexbone's connected to the ... End Zone.
Stupid, I know, but it was the first thing that popped in my head.
I will now accept my 40 lashes for being corny.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Excellent write up, Neil.
I think we’re going to be witnesses to a great football team in the years to come. Furney has drafted this team well, and Fox has coached the heck out of these players to build them into a potential dynasty. I can’t wait to see how it all shakes out on the field.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
They've still got a LOT of work to do...
…we’ve GOT to see the offense get on track with the addition of Steve Smith, Jonathan Stewart, and (eventually) Jeff Otah. Additionally, we’ve GOT to see improvement in the special teams FAST. These young guys have a lot of growing up to do. This season will hopefully provide that. I don’t expect to see them reach the Superbowl this year. And they might not even make the playoffs. Yes, that’s right. They MIGHT not make the playoffs. We need a lot of things to bounce their way, starting with the softer schedule and culminating in outlasting our division rivals. It’s do-able even with such a young team. The good thing is that, despite their relative youth, many of them have experience in our system already and now have the opportunity to start. And, there can be no denying that the Panthers have a lot of talent across the board in these players. It’s up to the coaching staff to find the right way to blend that talent and come up with game plans they can execute and win with…that’s the key this year.
Just my additional two-cents,
—Neil
Also...
To add to your point about our coaching staff… If we make it to the playoffs and win a game or two, Foxy should definitely be a front runner for coach of the year.
That’s not a shot at our talent, but any time you can get a young team to perform with consistency at a high level, the coaching staff is doing a bang up job.
Unfortunately...
…I’ve never viewed our coaching staff as being particularly good at developing players…or coming up with great game plans…or making very good adjustments during a game. I hate to say that. But I think it’s true. I’d love to see Fox and his staff excel this year, though. If they do, it would definitely be worth a coach-of-the-year discussion.
Mostly agree however...
Even though they’ve had a number of high profile failures, If you look at the number of Panther draft picks on the team (35), I don’t think it’s fair to say that they aren’t good at developing players.
Maybe not yet...
…but in the case of this year’s (and possibly last year’s) draft, we still haven’t fully seen how well these players will develop. And quite a few of those 35 draft picks on the team come from those past two drafts. On the whole though, I agree. Perhaps I was too harsh by saying they aren’t particularly good at developing players. They’ve done well with their linemen, I think. Also, the DBs are coming along nicely. The WR development has been abysmal, though. And I’m really frustrated with how they’ve failed to properly coach and prepare the special team’s coverage and return units…not just this season, but last season, and going all the way back to most of the Danny Crossman era.
I agree wholeheartedly
I think we would have been much better served in the past to recognize our inability to develop WRs via the draft and to acquire known commodities (e.g. Boldin) for that position only.
WR strikes me as a very difficult position to develop via the draft for almost all teams anyhow. I think WR is tougher than normal to figure out which ones will be blockbusters and which ones will simply be busts.
My 2 cents says
After we dismantling the likes of the Giants and Buccaneers the media will start telling us how bad they (NY and Tampa) really are instead of how good this Panthers team really is.That will play right into our hands :)…People please,how have we in such a short time gone from worried about the loss of Kemo,Lewis and Peppermint Pattie to thinking anybody will be able to stop our offense? Ohhh ye of little faith…this offense will dominate! yes,DOMINATE! Our defense looks special and still I could understand concern about it’s youth,but the offense? give them faith o’ Lord give them faith
I'm going to have to agree with your first sentence.
We never get credit for our success until we clench a playoff berth.




















