A deeper look at the 2010 Carolina Panther roster
We now have our 53 man roster for the 2010 season. Overall I don't think there were many surprises; lets take a little closer look at who will start the season, position by position starting with QB.
QB: Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike
Matt Moore and Jimmy Clausen were not in danger of being cut. Moore is going to get his chance to prove himself not just to the Panthers but to the rest of the league. With Clausen behind him it's hard to see the Panthers keeping Moore past this season, giving Moore the chance to audition for another team in 2011. The wildcard in all of this is the future of the head coaching position. If Fox leaves, how would the next coach would see the QB lineup?
Regarding Tony Pike versus Hunter Cantwell, the way I see it is that Cantwell's ability is well known within the organization and his ceiling is quite low. Pike on the other hand has a higher ceiling at this point; well actually I should say many believe he has a higher ceiling. There is no denying that Pike is a project, but looking forward it does make since to keep him and see how he develops this year. If Moore ends up leaving next year I like the idea of another QB on the roster with more potential than Cantwell behind Clausen.
Of course we also have the question of trying to move him to the practice squad but in the end there is a high chance he wouldn't have made it that far. Sure we could have tried to use Edwards as the third QB but that's a decision Furney had to make and they chose the former option.
RB: DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Tyrell Sutton, Mike Goodson
The biggest question here was if Goodson was going to stay with the team but he clearly answered that question with his preseason performance. Unlike last preseason he didn't fumble, which is a huge improvement. I'm hopeful, albeit slightly, that Davidson can start using all the potential in several of his offensive players. Also Goodson was able to return a kickoff for a touchdown.
FB: Tony Fiammetta
I don't think he was ever really in danger of losing the position battle or being cut.
TE: Jeff King, Dante Rosario, Gary Barnidge
I think the same thing can be said of the TE group as the FB and RB groups. They were pretty well set going into the offseason. Same as with Goodson, I hope that all three can be used more effectively this year. Each one has their strength and it would be nice to play to them.
WR: Steve Smith, Dwayne Jarrett, Brandon LaFell, Armanti Edwards, David Gettis, Charly Martin
I don't know if I can call any of these a surprise to make the roster or not. Smith, Lefell, and Edwards were locks and Jarrett is being given one last chance. Of all of them Gettis and Martin are the biggest surprises as Martin caught a break when Wallace Wright was placed on IR and Gettis out played Kenny Moore in the last few games. In all honesty I'm excited to see how Gettis develops this year.
With that said, I'm still not sure who the 2nd starting WR is but if I had to bet I would put my money on Jarrett just because. Actually what I think they should do is start each game with one WR, two RB, and two TE (or one TE and one FB). That way they don't have to name a second starting WR until one clearly emerges and both Williams and Stewart can be called starters.
Offensive Line:
Tackles: Jordan Gross, Jeff Otah, Geoff Schwartz, Garry Williams
Guards: Travelle Wharton, Mackenzy Bernadeau, Tim Duckworth
Center: Ryan Kalil
Who did we cut again? Okay, so really some of the decision apparently turned out to be easy such as placing both C.J. Davis and Duke Robinson on IR. Also Crummey's performance didn't give us much reason to keep him and to be honest I know next to nothing about the performance of Hisatake, but maybe that says all I need to know. Either Duckworth was a great find or he's temporarily holding a roster spot. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if we see roster movement across the offensive line to address overall depth.
While last season the offensive line was an area of strength, this preseason has raised serious questions about their performance and overall depth. We can hope that Otah returns for the Giants game but the reports are not good. Also if Kalili is injured I'm not sure if we have a respectable backup. Currently this is one of the biggest questions going into the season.
DE: Tyler Brayton, Charles Johnson, Everette Brown, Greg Hardy
What a surprise at defensive end, not regarding who we kept, but that fact they have really stepped up. If they continue playing at the same level during the season our defense should continue to be strong. While many would have liked to keep Eric Moore, in reality with the talent left on the roster, he would have been an unnecessary luxury.
DT: Louis Leonard, Derek Landri, Ed Johnson, Andre Neblett, Nick Hayden
Tank Tyler is probably the biggest surprise of those that were cut today. Also cut was Corvey Irvin. Both represent missed investments. Irvin was a 3rd round pick last year and Tyler was traded for a 3rd round this past draft.
Neblett played his way onto the roster this preseason after going undrafted and apparently Hayden just can't be cut. Hayden was selected in 2008 as a 6th round draft pick but spent most of the year on the practice squad. I can't say I'm surprised they kept 5 DT after all the injuries we had last year.
LB: Jon Beason, Dan Connor, James Anderson, Jamar Williams, Eric Norwood, Nic Harris, Jordan Senn
We have known the starting lineup for quite some time. Williams was slowed by injuries during preseason and couldn't break into the starting lineup. Apparently Harris and Senn did more than the other LB and their positives falls into line with what Meeks was looking for. Also on interest is they still list Norwood as a DE/LB. While I believe he will be used in as a LB, it is obvious they still see him as a possible backup at DE if needed.
CB: Chris Gamble, Richard Marshall, Captain Munnerlyn, Robert McClain
McClain clearly outplayed his 7th round counterpart. Apparently C.J. Wilson hit his ceiling between last year and this year.
S: Charles Godfrey, Sherrod Martin, Marcus Hudson, Jordan Pugh
Martin of course is taking Chris Harris' position at FS. Hudson was brought in to shore up special teams and Pugh showed enough to get the starting job once this preseason due to injury to Martin.
Special Teams: K John Kasay, KOS Todd Carter, P Jason Baker, LS J.J. Jansen
It sure would be nice to only have two dedicated positions for special teams instead of four. This could have been Eric Moore and more depth along the O-line. Maybe one day.
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I think I would have rather kept Eric Moore rather than Andre Neblett on DL because they can always use Brayton as a DT and put Moore in his place or they could have kept Moore and let Nic Harris go, but mostly I am pleased with their picks.
DE with fresh legs = Sacks
Now lets get the First team Offense going and win the NFC South!!!
you dont go into gameday with 5 DEs active
he would never have played
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
mobile phone fail, lets try again
One thing to ask with the roster what 45 do you want active on game day and what 8 sit. Reg e. Moore, if we kept him on the roster big chance he would have been inactive anyway. Who would you want him to replace on the game day roster?
by LittleKing on Sep 5, 2010 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd probably sit...
Robert McClain or Marcus Hudson
Nick Hayden
Andre Neblett
Tim Duckworth
Charly Martin or David Gettis (or maybe both)
Tony Pike
Eric Norwood, Nic Harris, or Jordan Senn (one of these three)
Gary Barnidge, Tyrell Sutton, or Mike Goodson (one of these three)
Altogether, we need eight to sit to reach 45. I have a feeling they’ll come from those categories, depending on what the game plan calls for from week to week.
It was a toss-up...
…between Gary Williams or Tim Duckworth. My list isn’t just a group of the 8 players I would definitely sit. It’s a pool of players from which I’d sit 8 depending on what our needs were. If it helps, I don’t mind amending it to this…
Robert McClain or Marcus Hudson
Nick Hayden
Andre Neblett
Tim Duckworth or Gary Williams (or maybe both)
Charly Martin or David Gettis (or maybe both)
Tony Pike
Eric Norwood, Nic Harris, or Jordan Senn (one of these three)
Gary Barnidge, Tyrell Sutton, or Mike Goodson (one of these three)
Better? :-)
No better.
I’d never sit any of the last three you mentioned. Sutton has to be there, in case Fiammetta goes down, plus he’s a better change of pace insert than Goodson, IMO. Goodson has his uses, too, as KR man (though I personally think Gettis could handle that as well.), and Barnidge has huge upside as a deep TE threat – he has by far the best YAC stats we have – and we use all 3 TEs every game, the majority of plays, 2 at a time.
I agree on sitting Pike and Hayden. Unless there are injuries, they should never be activated. Neblett outplayed Hayden at DT, by far. and is in the rotation there; Hayden is strictly a desperation stop-gap.
I think the 3 LBs you mentioned should all be active, as they all contribute to ST, with aggression and efficiency.
So Martin can be de-activated, unless and until a WR goes down, and I might even sit AEdwards, too, if need be.
McClain and Hudson could both sit, too. So if Duckworth takes a seat, I’m set. With Otah not playing the first game, only 7 others need be de-activated, I believe. Now, if Edwards has to be out there, to get some experience on a few plays, I can see that, and would then sit Williams, and keep my fingers crossed.
The OL is thin, and that concerns me.
It’s a bit of a puzzle, isn’t it?
by bigdavis on Sep 5, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would be scared to sit a DB.
Munnerlynn rolls his ankle on a punt return and we are screwed.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Officially down on this season
The Panthers refuse to look at proven free agents and instead stick with questionable players. Tony Pike, no just no. Keeping smoothie king rather than picking up Loyd off waivers makes no sense, and not even sniffing at TJ and keeping 5 questionable wr’s and Steve Smith is quitting before the season even starts.
These are just my opinions and I hope they are wrong, but I see very little to be excited about this season. Well except the D, but that won’t win enough games to make us contenders.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
I don't get it
Why sign Lloyd over the Smoothie King? Just to spend more money?
What receiver do you cut for TJ? Are you giving up on Gettis that quick? If you cut Martin, you lose on Special Teams because TJ won’t play them. Or do you get rid of LaFell or Edwards? Maybe Jarrett, I guess? That makes the most sense, but he’s got the best hands on the team and if he ever learns to run a route he could be amazing.
i'd do TJ for DJ
And give the new WR’s time to develop this year. But in the end its not going to happen.
by LittleKing on Sep 5, 2010 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe but we tried the Keyshawn experiment already
I’m not sure that is a fair comparison but TJ is being cut for a reason. The Seahawks may think he only has 1 good year left and just want to cut their ties before another CBA. As much as we think it would be good, we’ll never do it because of the money and the age.
Yeah we did
And if I remember that experiment resulted in DJ sounding like an idiot during his interview with Keyshawn. I don’t think we gave Keyshawn enough of a chance.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
If we have enough faith in LaFell
This seems like a perfectly reasonable solution.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Not to spend more money
to get more touchbacks. That is what a kickoff specialist is for.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Smoothie King is just as strong
and younger. They’re the same guy, but one costs half as much and has a better story
Lloyd wasn't booming them in the preseason, even in the dome...
at least from what I’ve heard and the one game I watched.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
thats crazy
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Ok I will admit I may be wrong on the Kicker front
But our inability to draft or develop wide receivers this century is becoming legendary. Having two vets that are proven commodities to help take some of the burden is a move we should make. We are using way too many roster spaces on unproven talent. We have no balance right now, and i expect that to be our undoing this season.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Who were the Patriots before they upset the Rams? Unproven commodities.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Maybe the FO sees something we don't...
At least, that’s what I’m hoping. I was disappointed that we didn’t seem too interested in some of the veteran WRs coming off cuts, but I think Furney and company’s earned a little benefit of a doubt. I don’t think our WRs are ready for the big time, but then again, I didn’t think our defense would be this good either. Let’s temper this mistrust with a little patience, and wait and see what the REAL games bring…
by The Kackalack Kid on Sep 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
They have a plan - they're sticking to it.
Build through the draft, and let other teams go the FA route.
I like it. It builds camaraderie. We’ve got hungry young guys, who want to make their names. Bringing in any FA (Housh?) would undermine the whole strategy, and the belief among the young troops that the mgmt. believes in them getting the job done.
My only concern now is the OL, and whether they can adequately pick up the blitzes, which are sure to come in droves, since they over-ran our QBs in the pre-season. I think we’ll have to keep 2 TEs in for at least awhile, in max-protect, until MacBern and Schwartz and Fiammetta can prove they can handle the rushers.
If play selections are efficient, and we don’t get into too many 3rd and longs, we’ll be okay. An average of 24 points scored per game should be sufficient to win 9-10 games, the way our defense looks.
by bigdavis on Sep 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and we don’t get into too many 3rd and longs
HAHAHA, we like third and longs more than the color blue.
Only being kinda serious here, i too hope for play calling that can get us yards this year.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
If preseason is any indicator, we may have figured out how to properly
execute the good ol’ blitz killer. Yes, I’m talking about he screen pass. If we can burn teams big with it, elaborate pass rush schemes and blitzes should eventually diminish. Until then, we have to utilize Moore’s quick release, three step drops, and max protect in addition to the running game.
I also suspect that the offensive offense we saw during preseason will be quite different from what we see next week. (… , Amen)
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
The offensive offense...
that’s a good one.
I cringe, though, at the thought that we’re so thin on the OL. I guess Duckworth could sub at either G position, but I don’t know that. And if Kalil were to go down…ai yai ai. Better not even picture that.
How hard can it be for MacBern to learn to snap the damn ball?
Agreed, Kalil brings much more than that, but we certainly can’t be putting the ball on the ground. Remember last year when we thought we didn’t have enough O-Line depth. It kind of worked out okay. Let’s just hope we don’t have to pass that test again.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Lloyd's prodection fell off with us - that's why we let him go.
And it worsened, rather than recovered since – that’s why they cut him.
His “ceiling” is dropping.
I imagine the Seahawks cut TJ for a reason, not just because they have a promising rookie.
There’s likely more going on there than we’re aware of.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 5, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I trolled the observer this morning
I couldnt help it. If you ever see gecko1122…that’s me. I called them emo. I hope that doesnt make them cry
Roster Analysis
First of all, great article LK. It was very fair to all.
At QB, I like what we did, keeping Pike over Cantwell. I think Pike should be given a shot with our team to develop into a NFL QB. I did not think going with AE as an emergency QB was a good idea. This would have meant taking AE from the WR and PR to play some QB and learn yet again more of the playbook. I mean how much can this man handle. Also, LK you bring up a great point in that if we went with 2 QB’s and both of the QBs were taken, then where we be in a year. With this being said, I may be in favor of deactivating Pike for some games to give our roster some depth. In a game situation, if we have already lost the first to QBs, then running the mountaineer for the rest of the game gives us as much chance as Pike at QB.
At RB no one is really surprised that we are carrying 4 here. Im not sure if all 4 will be activated on game day but this has to be somewhat of a surprise. I think we only picked up Sutton when Goodson went down. He was a great find for us and gives us crazy depth at the RB, FB and PR positions. He is the new Nick Goings. (I always argue with my friend who is a Cowboys fan who has the better RB’s, and now we definently do.
I’m very happy with what we did at the WR position. I agree that when Wright went down, a spot for Martin opened up. As far as DJ goes, I saw on another post his stats in the last game of the season and if he can duplicate that, which I think he can (he did that with no Smith on the field), then he provides a decent WR2. I think he’ll be better. I’m excited about Gettis to the point, I kind of forgot abotu LaFell. I could see us deactivating AE if he doesn’t win the PR job. I don’t think we need 6 WR on gameday.
At DT I’m very surprised at what is going on. I’m not sold on keeping Hayden given his struggles. I liked Landri in what he was able to do. I’m also not sure we keep Neblett. I think he may be holding a roster spot too. However, I disagree with letting Irvin go. He was injured all last year, so he’s basically a rookie this year at the cost of a 3rd pick. According to the way the Panthers are treating DJ, we should keep the guys we’ve invested in. Irvin probably would be a we deactivate on gameday but I would have given him more time. I do trust in the FO decision but its confusing. Same basically goes for Tank but I think we were in a pinch last year at nabbed him. Will be place any of these guys on the PS? I think we would want at least one player on the PS.
Keeping 4 DE was a good idea because we have Norwood who could slide into the DE position. That would give us 4 for game day and a 5th if needed on game day. Eric Moore would have been deactivated too.
I don’t really care who we kept at the LB position as long as we kept Williams and Norwood. I wish Williams would have been healthy so we could have seen what he would do at the Will position. Injuries at the LB position will probably happen, so I want to see what there move will be.
I again don’t really care who they kept at he DB positions. Stanford never did look that good but then again didn’t Hudson get beat by Jared Cook in the Titans game? I like the rookies Pugh and McClain.
I willing to give some positions for the ST because they were horrbile last year. Give them all the help they can get even though ST is not nearly as important as the offense or defense. I do wish Baker could be the KOS.
The 6 we deactivate for gameday are AE, (one LB), Neblett, Gettis, either Goodson or Sutton, one DB (probably McClain or Pugh).
Absolutely agree about AE...
He’s definitely got a full plate. Pushing him to pick up enough of the playbook to be our #3 QB would have been folly.
by The Kackalack Kid on Sep 5, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else think...
They should use Goodson in the slot? And for some reason I feel like Gettis is going end up being the #2 reciever by next season. Don’t ask why, i’ve just got a wierd feeling.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Yes, yes, and yes I do think they should use Goodson in the slot.
And I have the same feeling about Gettis. I also love him (no homo) on KRs. He just looks like he’s at full speed in about two steps. I look for him to take a KR to the house, and provide the deep threat at WR.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
(Good) Eye for the Straight (running) Guy
Gettis doesn’t hem and haw around back there, wasting time with juke steps – he just catches it and goes. That’s how all the great KRs take it to the house. If they make it through the first wall of tacklers, that way, they’re gone to daylight. A lot of punts are returned for TDs from cutting to the outside, and up the sidelines, but KRs, uh uh. Goodson doesn’t get this concept; Gettis does.
Gawd, wouldn’t it be a wonderful bonus, if our STs could ever return a kick for a TD? We sure didn’t come close to it last year, (or the year before?) We’re overdue to bust one, or two.
He also
Danced enough to be tackled at the 4 yard line on one return. If he does that a couple more times he won’t have an opportunity to return kicks. I definitely want Gettis back there.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Let's glorify the guy for his one highlight reel play.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
I only have one beef, so I guess overall I'm satisfied with the moves...
I don’t know how they could cut Witherspoon. He was a playmaker throughout the preseason, an excellent tackler despite his diminutive size, and could be good on STs. Was he outplayed by McClain? If so, I didn’t see it.
Still, with only the one exception, I think they did a good job picking the best players and in the right numbers per position. E. Moore earned a spot, but there just wasn’t a spot for him.
I do agree we need to find a backup center more than anything else. We’re highly exposed there, unless McBern can master the finer techniques of snapping the ball.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Great article LK
I’m still befuddled at why people are so down on Tony Pike. I understand he wasn’t amazing against Pittsburgh, but honestly, did you see him play in college? The Panthers had FAR more than one preseason game with a 3rd team offense worth of tape on him.
We didn’t keep him on the 53 based on Thursday night, be kept him on the 53 based on the promise of this.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
It is because the Panthers have what many feel is two quality starters at QB
And one at WR. One at center, and Zero at punt returner.
I don’t that most of us don’t like Pike, we just feel that there would be better uses of his roster spot.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
That's a different issue all together
We are carrying 6 WRs because they are hoping one will evolve into a starter. Gantt said himself this morning that if the Panthers brought in another WR they would likely drop Gettis, so Pike has no impact on that scenario.
Plenty of teams around the NFL carry only one center, but they also have another lineman who can snap the ball. If we pick up another center then I expect we’ll cut Duckworth, again, not really impacted by Pike.
There are almost no teams in the NFL who carry an exclusive PR. Munnerlyn can fill the role until Armanti is ready, I also expect we’ll see several other guys. It’s incumbent upon one of the Panthers’ 6 WRs or a DB to step up and take that job. The Panthers openly and willingly chose McClain over Witherspoon, so they’re obviously not as worried about it as we are.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
That makes me hope
We don’t bring in another reciever. I would rather see Gettis develop. If they want to bring in another WR, it needs to be one that can contribute on special teams.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
I like Gettis too
By gut tells me they stick with what they have and at least let Jarrett show if he can be the guy until the bye week. If after 5 starts he doesn’t look like it, then they’ll address the situation.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Sounds reasonable to me.
To paraphrase from “The Shining”… if Jarrett doesn’t show up before the bye week, he will need “correcting.”
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Here's my thing....
Jarret has one year left. What do we lose by dropping him and signing a vet to a 1 year deal? To me, it’s the same situation. We would still be looking for rookies to step up since the #3 WR is no more set than the #2.
Maybe I’m just tired of the same question year after year after year since 2004: Who is going to play opposite Steve Smith?
(And the Keyshawn experiment worked pretty well except for injuries to Jake and Smitty.)
Who's out there that we could count on as an upgrade?
I’m buying your logic, but from what I hear Housh has lost a few steps, Bryant’s knees are shot, Clayton’s a bust. V-Jax is out of his mind. So, who’s left?
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I agree, but
How much development are we going to see from a rookie in his first year? Wouldn’t a veteran have more to offer this team as far as being able to perform? Upside is nice, but it takes time before upside turns into ability. Fox could be in his last year, and our QB situation will be changing as of next year at the latest. I just wonder if the guy’s going to get the time it will take for him to develop before this offensive team becomes drastically different.
by The Kackalack Kid on Sep 5, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
A one year rental
For a 32 year old WR (Housh) would be nice, but Gettis’ ceiling only seems to keep rising. I know it would be nice for this year, but Gettis may turn out to be our #2 reciever for years to come.
Now if we dropped Jarrett for Housh, I would understand. But I don’t think that’s happening either.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
That's it. It wasn't him, but his roster spot.
He’s dead wood for the year, IMO. That’s expensive insurance for a QB controversy in one or two years, that may never materialize. The only scenarios that would bring Pike into play for us would be either Moore or Clausen are seriously injured, or if Moore doesn’t get re-signed. Neither of those is odd-on to happen, and to retain a guy for those eventualities – at the expense of having EMoore, or Witherspoon, or KMoore, or Tank Tyler, or Corvey Irvin, on the roster – is questionable to me. Somewhere along the line, one of those guys might be needed. Pike won’t.
With all that said, to justify my position, he’s now on our team, and I support him, and wish him all the best in his career.
Are you allowed to carry the clipboard if you don't get a jersey...?
Yes, I would have liked to keep Witherspoon as a ballhawking dime DB. But, what’s done is done, and I support Pike the Panther. I’m not about to question Hurney when it comes to roster strategy. This move could have multiple motives:
1) (Most likely)They think Moore will be gone, and Pike can be ready as a backup next year.
2) (Less likely) Maybe there’s a team that liked what they saw, has a QB with some age on him, and don’t like what they have in the pipeline (Pats, Colts, Skins, Browns, etc.).
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I see it differently
It’s a roster spot for a player who you needed to pay whether you decided to keep or cut him. To me, that’s the cheapest insurance at the QB position, the most important position.
Drafting Clausen and Pike, getting LaFell and Edwards… they were all insurance. Clausen was insurance in case Matt Moore couldn’t be ‘the guy’ and Pike was insurance they had a backup in the pipeline in case they lost Moore. LaFell was insurance Jarrett couldn’t be a #2 and Edwards was the #3 in case that scenario occurred.
The guys you mentioned: E. Moore, Witherspoon, K. Moore, Tyler or Irvin would have been at the bottom of the depth chart anyway (which is why they were cut) most likely all of these guys would have been deactivated anyway.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Not sure I agree about the Clausen being insurance thing. I would say if anything Clausen was drafted because they believed he has the potential to be a starter in the NFL. Why else would you draft one of the top QB prospects?
Aren't they the same thing?
If Matt Moore doesn’t prove he can be the answer long term then you have a starting QB waiting in the wings.
Insurance doesn’t need to carry the connotation of ‘last resort’.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I'm not ready to say that yet
If he’s lights out it’s going to be a tough decision to be sure. Glad I don’t have to make it.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
yeah, if he plays well and wins a lot of games
we’d be crazy to let him walk. I think it will all come down to how Matt performs this season to whether he’s here next year or not.
Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line
if nothing else we could franchise Moore again
to give Clausen one more year to develop. (providing Matt is playing well). Rivers sat for 2 years before they traded Brees. With two years in our system and his level of talent, we’d have dangerous QB ready to step up when called.
Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line
I believe franchising won't be required...
Since Clausen already played a similar scheme at ND he has a big head start compared to Rivers. Either Moore gets a nice contract and sticks around long term or he’s gone when the time comes.
I doubt we'd franchise him
The cost would be astronomical especially given Peyton Manning and Tony Brady will get extensions (hence pushing them into the top 5 salaries at their position and increasing the tag value). Furthermore the friggin Rams have $17.25 million going to Sam Bradford as a signing bonus next year (gambling on a lockout). So, if a lockout doesn’t occur it’s going to be ugly.
Without Manning and Brady here’s how it looks:
- Bradford: $17.38 million
- Carson Palmer: $11.5 million
- Roethlisberger: $11.3 million
- Rivers: $8.4 million
- Eli Maning: $8.5 million
Average: $11.14 million
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Exactly.
Now, the best situation we can really hope for is that he plays well and resigns, knowing that he’ll be competing against Clausen for a starting job either this year or next. Then if Clausen can win the job from him, we trade him for juicy draft picks. If Clausen doesn’t win the job, he stays and we go through the same situation next year.
If he doesn’t win the job by that point, we should consider trading Clausen.
Why would you franchise him?
The only reason we would franchise him is if we didn’t want to pay him what he thought he deserved, in which case we would have to pay him what? The average salary of the top 5 players at his position? We’d be better off just signing him for that much…
the point wasn't so much about the franchising
as much as keeping him around for another year or two if he’s able to win games to let Clausen continue to develop. I know Clausen has experience in this system and is ahead of the curve but I would still like to see him have time in the system and continue to develop before he takes control of the team. (if that’s what is going to happen)
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by John Chilton on Sep 5, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I get what you are saying James
A roster spot is a roster spot, and after seeing how the Panthers filled those spots some of us are a bit miffed/ saddened by the people who were chosen to fill them.
We are carrying 6 WRs because they are hoping one will evolve into a starter.
Right now I would give up DJ for a proven guy and hope to develop 4 receivers rather than 5.
Plenty of teams around the NFL carry only one center, but they also have another lineman who can snap the ball.
Again I do not argue with the logic, but as questionable as our line looked this preseason it does not inspire confidence that we have so little depth at such a pivotal position.
There are almost no teams in the NFL who carry an exclusive PR. Munnerlyn can fill the role until Armanti is ready, I also expect we’ll see several other guys.
As thin as we are in the secondary right now, I would rather us not use one of those guys playing another position where he could get injured. As no one else showed they could do the job, having a dedicated PR that we hope could be a WR some day seems more logical than having a project WR that we hope can be a PR someday seems more logical.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Ignore the second seems more logical. :P
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Hey....I love North Carolina football..
I’ve become very comfortable with ignoring logic.
by The Kackalack Kid on Sep 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Roster Thoughts
First thing to stand out is that the roster is probably not quite balanced with only 3 Guards and no decent backup at Center. The plan maybe to add one more guy as C/G backup and waive Neblett at this point. The odds are pretty good that if we have a crisis at DT, there will someone serviceable that can be promoted from the practice squad.
WR: I think, as suspected by some here, many WRs struggle at Carolina partially due to the conservative playbook. We need the likes of Smitty/Moose/Proehl to perform at the highest level in our offense. Free agents are probably even harder to work with, what with getting adjusted to a new scheme and quarterback. As long as Fox is here, this is not going to change much. (BTW, I would love to have Fox here next year)
I think Jarrett is the 2nd WR at the moment but I am not sure how that will work out for us. My greatest fear while Jarrett is out there is that he runs the wrong route but the DB reads the play correctly and runs it back for a TD untouched. However, when you have Smith who commands double coverage routinely, it becomes difficult to let go of someone who has good hands, especially given the drops from the other guys,
Gettis deserves his spot. I remember posting a video of him toasting Witherspoon with a double move during camp, hope to see more of that on Sundays….next year if not later this year.
Pike has a long way to go. We can hope that he gets there very quickly….but I am thinking at least year away from being a useful backup.
Hayden apparently outperformed both Irvin and Tyler. Somewhat surprising.
I think Hudson’s versatility (CB,S,ST) meant that Witherspoon was expendable.
Liked the article but 1 thing i think was wrong.
Maybe it was a typo or i could be wrong but i believe they got Tyler for a 5th round pick not a third round.
I like mentally torturing myself.
What pick would you all have liked in this past draft if Carolina still had the 144th overall selection they gave up for Tank Tyler? Cam Thomas at DT was picked 146th. Riley Cooper at WR was 159th.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Don't think Thomas fits what Meeks wants, and Cooper would be just another WR with
potential. We got plenty of those. So don’t mentally torture yourself, Blade. If you like torture, there are places you can go for that kind of thing (so I hear).
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
It's not a big thing, but almost everyone on this blog misspells Fiammetta's name.
He’s going to be on the team for the next 10 years, unless he has injury issues. We should all probably learn to spell his name.
stuff 'bout stuff.
yeah i notice that a lot
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Tony the Tiger.
Heeee’s GREAT! Lol. Lame.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 5, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Tony the Tiger
Or Metta!
you betta what out for Metta..
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
fail
you betta watch out for Metta!
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Fiammetta … Metta … Metal … Heavy Metal!! That’s it!
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 5, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with it. And if you sound it out...
He-Fiammetta-l
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Fe Fi Fo Fum
It’s really cheesy but “Fe Fi Fo Fum, knock that guy on his bum”
If you really want to do something, you will find a way. If you don't, you will find an excuse.
Sorry about that.
Had a few misspelled names. Doesn’t help I finished it at 1am and didn’t do a final read though.
If you really want to do something, you will find a way. If you don't, you will find an excuse.
O-Line Dept
You know, I think our O-Line is deeper than we think because many guys can play multiple positions.
Travelle Wharton is capable of playing LT in the event that Gross gets hurt again. Bernadeau and Schwartz can probably fill in at LG in that event or if Wharton goes down. We already know that Schwartz can play in Bernadeau and Otah’s spot. For that matter, we don’t even know if Bernadeau will start ahead of Schwartz or not. As we’ve said the only man we can’t afford to lose is Kalil.
With just our current starting line up, we can lose 1 person with almost no drop off in production. How many teams can actually say that? If we end up losing 2 people, that’s when things get interesting though. It would be nice to see Otah finally play a full season though…
Yeah,
and Otah nees to come back soon because without him, Schwartz cant move around to different areas.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
by ThePanthers! on Sep 5, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting note:
Two big name N.C. State DT’s that played on the same talented line were cut today, Tank Tyler and Demario Pressley (who was supposed to become a beast).
Anyone know if both had the same problems? Would be interesting to see a correlation haha
GSO
On the subject of Kick-off Specialists
I would actually like to see them sign K Steven Hauschka (who was released by Detroit)…looking at his Kick-Off stats from last year, his average yards per kick off was only a little over a yard behind Rhys Lloyd, who booted 30 touchbacks last year. And he has potential to stay on as our place-kicker in the event that Kasay retires in the near future. As an NC State alum, I can say that he’s not a bad kicker…In my opinion he’s a better (and probably just as cheap) option than Smoothie, who can’t seem to reach the endzone on his kick-offs consistently…and Carter doesn’t seem like the type to be able to fill in for field goals….Hauschka did for Baltimore (although he wasn’t the most accurate guy)…
LAFELL
I am glad we kept Gettis as I watched him at Indy this year during the combine, and he looked good has speed nice hands and has size. Needs work but it seems to me you guys are forgetting about Lafell. I want to point out 2 things I saw that impressed me during a preseason game he did. I think it was against the Titans, when he made the diving one hand catch, it was great but the THING that stood out was after the catch he stood up and immediately called TIME OUT. A good heads up play and by a rookie at that. The other play that impressed me was the drag route across the middle when he caught the ball and reversed his run he was short of the first down marker and KNEW it he dove the extra two yards to get the first down. Another heads up play. I think by the end of this season LAFELL will be our out right #2 WR, and in time Gettis and Edwards will be great too.
Remember you can’t coach heart you either have it or you don’t Jarrett doesn’t show me he has it!
I agree that those were both great plays and for the reasons you stated.
Lafell wasn’t featured in the Steeler game because he was already a lock and they wanted to see more of Gettis. Both of these guys look to have the skills and brains to contribute quickly, rather than be on the 3-year WR learning curve.
I’m a little bit confused by Smitty calling the young WRs out in public. Knowing how 89 operates though, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was “throwing a change up” to the rest of the league. Either way, I think we’re good at WR, stacked even. I know that’s a minority opinion, but it’s how I feel this morning.
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