Ladies and Gentlemen: Your 2010 Carolina Panthers 53 Man Roster!!!
by James Dator on Sep 4, 2010 7:09 PM EDT
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PrintThe cuts are in, the practice squad will shape itself on Sunday but here is the offense of your 2010 Carolina Panthers, the defense and special teams are listed after the jump:
QB: Moore/ Clausen/ Pike
RB: Williams/ Stewart/ Sutton/ Goodson
FB: Fiametta
TE: King/ Rosario/ Barnidge
WR: Smith/ Jarrett/ LaFell/ Edwards/ Gettis/ Martin
LT: Gross/ Williams
LG: Wharton
C: Kalil
RG: Bernadeau/ Duckworth
RT: Otah/ Schwartz
DE: Brayton/ Johnson/ Brown/ Hardy
DT: Leonard/ Johnson/ Landri/ Hayden/ Neblett
ROLB: Anderson/ Harris
MLB: Connor/ Senn
LOLB: Beason/ Williams/ Norwood
CB: Gamble/ Marshall/ Munnerlyn/ McClain
SS: Godfrey/ Hudson
FS: Martin/ Pugh
K: Kasay
KoS: Carter
P: Baker
LS: Jansen
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damn
i really dont like Hudson being on the team
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
I might warm up to Hayden
But he pisses me off a lot
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
and i dont see Duckworth sticking for long.
they will probably look around.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
I'm betting he goes when Davis comes back.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 4, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Only 5 differences from my 53... I'm pretty happy about that
I had Davis, Ivy, Tyler, Witherspoon and Francisco making the team
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I think Pike was financial.
He doesn’t have enough zip on the ball for the NFL.
Nablett and Duckworth were the big surprises to me. I think Gettis will be a star in this league and glad we kept him.
Here's what I missed.....................
K. Moore, Cantwell and Pike (had only 2 QB), Tyler, Witherspoon, Francisco, Jarret, and I think that’s all. But not that great.
Steve Reed is saying it's Robinson's knee that put him on IR
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Updates from Hurney's conference call:
Hurney on DTs: We felt like it was one of the toughest positions. We felt our competition there was very good.
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Hurney on Jarrett: The thing we wanted to see is Dwayne was the consistency and he’s showed that.
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Ha! Consistent at not getting open maybe
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Jarrett had his first real chance as a full-fledged #2 in WK17 2009
He made a third of his season totals in one game (5 for 68, TD). I consider that respectable for a #2, and I think him and Moore will do fine this year.
Thanks ppalm
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Consistency?
What about the other 3 years?
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Gantt
Hurney insists keeping so many kids about putting best team on the field, not money.
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I'm sick of him constantly insisting it's not about the money
It’s ALWAYS about the money. And the more he says that, the more he sounds like he’s trying to hide something.
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Well, they are wasting a lot of money on players not even on the team this year.
I don’t mind them saving money, but be honest about it.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple of these cuts are questionable.
Martin over Moore
Pike over Edwards
Overall though, seems pretty solid. I am disappointed at some of the players not being pushed up the lineup a bit, such as Hardy at DT or DE and Norwood as primary backup ahead of Williams. I still miss our Super Safety Chris Harris. I still miss the Moose.
It’s going to be an interesting start to the season with Steve Smith and Johnny Stewart coming back. Maybe we take a step up in intensity as a team, maybe we don’t. It’ll be interesting.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Martin was prob kept for ST, and its not like Edwards is cut
If we ever get down to the third QB, I wouldn’t be surprised if we wildcat snapped more than half of our plays and started using some strange playsets. Also, I think Pike will be working on his arm strength during the season, so if both Moore and Clausen go down, he may be ready by then. He has a lot more upside than Cantwell.
Keeping Edwards would have saved a roster spot, in my opinion
Nothing against Cantwell or Pike, but they were both very bad during the preseason. Very bad. Neither one of them would do well if it came to the point where the Panthers needed a 3rd QB, and we wouldn’t have thrown the ball anyway. We might as well put the ball in Edward’s hand and see if he can make plays with his feet. If anything, he at least brings that to the table. I really would have liked for the Panthers to have saved a roster spot here.
Martin? He’s not a good receiver and I’m not a fan of keeping players exclusively for special teams. Moore isn’t going to make it through waivers.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
+1
Pike and Cantwell were totally unimpressive in preseason. Armanti proved to have a better arm than both and the ability to make plays on the ground. We could have used that roster spot.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
2 attempts for a 5 yard avg???
That proved to you that he has a better arm?
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I think Tater meant he had more zip on the ball.
He wasn’t putting his WRs in harm’s way with floaters.
that doesnt matter to the Devils Advocate...
he likes garbage QBs because they were successful in a spread offense in college. The well being of our recievers means nada.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
I just don't understand how you guys have such strong opinions already
AE only threw the ball twice and both were roll out options for only a 5 yard pass. How therefore can you say he’s better than other guys at anything but that? And Pike has only one Preseason game with real minutes. And from that alone Steven has already deemed him the “Devil”.
I’m not declaring one or the other anything, just scratching my head as to why you guys are.
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no Im talking about you
remember how you just like to play devils advocate sometimes? Just to stir up stuff.
It does not matter that Money only had however many attempts. when he threw the ball it got there quickly. When Pike threw the ball it floated there and got the recievers cracked. i dont need to see him for extended time to see that.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Actually it's called "methodological relativism"
In other words suspending my own beliefs for a period in order to hopefully reveal the context and understand whatever the hell it is that you are saying.
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is that it?
ok ok
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Long Ball Larry
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Not a good Receiver?
So,,, what makes you believe that Charly Martin is not a good receiver? He’s been targeted twice in his career with the Panthers and caught em both. This guy also would not have made it through waivers-Trust ME! Sure, he’s a solid ST’er, but he’s also tough as hell and has excellent hands! Prediction Time- Charly will AT LEAST be the #3 by the time this season ends… And YOU will love it!
Thank You!!!
I’ve been saying that on here since we drafted him. Thank you for not letting me like the only person here that thinks Pike has WAY more upside than Cantwell!
Superbowl Champs 2010!!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 4, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Pike isn't better than Cantwell
I just wanted that roster spot to go to Eric Moore or someone who might actually see playing time this year. Maybe Pike uses the next three years to become a great QB, but from a “Win Now” point of view, I wish the roster spot had gone to someone else.
by panthersnbraves on Sep 4, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Tank Tyler that bad?
I thought he did a pretty good job this preseason, was I missing something? I didn’t see much of Neblett at all…maybe he’s better against the run?
Tyler only had one tackle this preseason
Tank was a former 3rd round pick who never lived up to expectations, Andre was an undrafted player willing to do anything to make the roster.
Who has the higher ceiling in the end?
FYI, Neblett finished the last preseason game with 6 tackles.
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Good catch
Guess he just didn’t get the attention he deserved from Rucker and co.
My previous comments on Andre Neblett --
I've never used that feature... it's fun
I was looking back on what I said about Tony Pike last year…
For fun, this was by QB rankings in January:
Clausen – Bradford – McCoy – Tebow – Pike – Snead – Canfield – Robinson – Hall – Crompton – LeFevour
From December:
if we’re sitting in the 3rd or 4th round and Tony Pike is available then I think you have to take him regardless.
Post draft April 25th:
For 2010 it will be: Moore/ Clausen/ Pike with Cantwell on the practice squad. I don’t think Clausen wins the job out of camp
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Nostradamus The Aussie, I'd say!
(To explain, I hadn’t used the feature before, either – I hit my profile, and then put Andre Neblett in the Search box.) Pretty cool. Guess I could’ve done it from anyone’s Profile page, to see what they’d said about a certain player.
It seems like we’re really not deep at all on our OL. That seems to be what jumps out at me most.
Pike over Cantwell really doesn’t make much of a difference, I don’t think either is going to be a starter in the NFL, and if we end up having to start them at some point this season, we’re screwed.
I understand that they liked the competition at DT, but was keeping a 5th DT like Hayden really worth sacrificing all sorts of depth on OL and/or ST???
I’m not really surprised at the E. Moore cut. He is older, and although he played well in the preseason, so did our other younger DE’s.
On the OL
Robinson and CJ Davis went to IR… so really, they didn’t cut anyone on the OL other than Andrew Crummey.
I think we’ll see a PS made up of a lot of linemen.
I think Nic Hayden is getting a raw deal. He was so rusty when he first arrived in the league, and still makes dumb mistakes here and there but he also makes enough plays to justify winning a spot.
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And they but Petiti
but that was expected.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
You talking about Nick Hayden (or Nic Harris)?
Hayden made the team. Where’s the raw deal?
Or do you refer to criticism of his play from posters like me? I think he was a sieve when we needed a run stopper last year, and I still do. Sure he tries his best, I give him that, but he looks sorely overmatched and out-positioned by OLmen, time and again. But when it shakes out, Neblett will be on the field as much or more than he will, so it’s all good.
I meant the criticism from the fan base
Not just at CSR, but all over there is an air of ‘WTF Hayden’ and I see guy who’s still growing into the position, is only 24 and keeps getting better every time I see him.
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Okay - I'll re-compare him to Neblett for you --
Andre Neblett is 2 yrs younger, 3 lbs heavier, and 4" lower to the ground than Nick Hayden.
Hayden has shown nothing in his time with the team, other than the ability to get pushed backward.
To the contrary, Neblett has been very effective in his time on the field in these exhibitions. I’d let Hayden go before Neblett, though either is way down the pecking order at DT.
by bigdavis on Aug 31, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
I like Neblett too
It was never an either/or to me… I wanted to keep both of them. The Panthers constantly need depth at DT.
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I'm worried abotu O-line depth too
And neither Pike or Cantwell would ever see the field. We’d sign another 40 year old couch potato before that happened. But Pike was an odd pick to begin with… I think they should give him a year and see if anything develops.
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True...
And if you’re going to do that, you might as well list Edwards as your emergency QB and free up a roster spot for E. Moore or someone else.
Can't officially list him as the third and then let him on the field in any capacity.
The third QB is one of the 5 inactive players (only 48 of the 53 get jersies on a given night). Once he comes in, the 1st and 2nd string QB’s cannot return, so if Edwards is LISTED as the Emergency QB, he cannot return punts or catch passes.
Now, the Panthers could have (tried to) put Pike on the PS, and the moved him up if there was an IR situation with one of the ones above him, and only OFFICIALLY listed 2 QB’s. Then Edwards could play “Mountain Cat” if the others went down, but could do other stuff in normal course of the game.
by panthersnbraves on Sep 4, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Therefore, Pike won't get on the field "in any capacity"
So he’s dead weight on the 53-man roster.
And taking a spot somebody else could be contributing from.
But at least he's not taking the Jersey from one of the 45 active, right?
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
So is the case with most 3rd string QBs, right?
They are often projects. And I’d say this approach worked out pretty well for Matt Moore, who also didn’t see the field until all other options were exhausted.
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Ah thanks...
I didn’t know that. Still there has been talk of deactivating him in any case. If they were going to deactivate him anyhow, it would still be a legit option (WR / QB), no?
I’m not really schooled in the technicalities, so I’m genuinely curious.
All in all I really like the roster
I can’t really slight any of the moves, even the surprises.
A lot will hinge on how much value they add to the PS, and from scanning the league there’s a lot of value out there. New England alone cut 4 OL
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Well Hmm ...
Yeah would have liked to have seen E. Moore and B. Witherspoon make the team. Maybe Neblett is that good but I seriously doubt it. Personally we should just bring back D-Lew for insurance at this point b/c DT is seriously thin if anyone gets hurt . Stanford clears waivers he is headed for the PS squad along with Jackson, and Guy. DE is strong but any injuries to DT and we are in the same spot we were a year ago. Still I trust R. Meeks he knows how and what he needs/wants to make this defense great and it showed in the preseason. Tyler was simply just not quick enough to play in the speedy Tampa 2 System that Meeks plays. Sucks we wasted a 5th rounder on him b/c in this season’s draft it would have been huge to have that pick with the draft being so deep. Panther needs to find a better backup OLineman that Tim Duckworth we need one more guy in their. D. Robinson is a flop being on IR means he can sit around and eat all season w/ CJ Davis another scrub. Both need or should have just been cut loose and reached any injury settlement similar to what they did w/ Francisco. Interesting moves but Pike needed to stay A. Edwards cannot play QB at this level he is too small and doesn’t have a big enough arm. Pike needs times and we kept Jarrett which is also laughable but he is better and offers more consistency than K. Moore whose career man now be over. Some good some bad, at least the Panthers stayed true to their word in regard to the youth movement.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
They should've kept Eric Moore instead of a 5th DT.
Someone else already said it, but they need more depth at end than tackle, ‘cause Brayton and Johnson can just move inside if need be. Moore could have too actually. It doesn’t seem like much now, but two injuries at end and it will seem like an enormous mistake.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Two injuries at DE can ruin anybody’s pass rush.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 4, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Carolina was in a position to not have that be an issue, and they ignored it.
It was an advantage they gave up, for what?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see what Neblett does this season.
Right now none of our DT’s have really distinguished themselves, so we kind of have to keep five and let them sort each other out. Eric Moore sad to say just didn’t have upside, and to keep him fifth on the DC wouldn’t be doing him any favors. Now he can go somewhere else where he might get more PT.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 4, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They played Landri at DE for a couple of plays for a reason
We can play the two injury game with the DTs if you like?
Excited about starting Landri and Neblett with no backup? I’m sure not.
Now let’s try with the DE’s
Excited about starting Brown and Hardy? Yeah, I’m fine with that
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Add TE, SS, FS, OT, QB, RB to the list
Two injuries to the same position hurts any and every team.
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Man, lol, you're the one who originally said they should've kept Eric Moore for the very reason I listed.
I think so anyway! How are you going to disagree with me now?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think they should have
But saying we should have just because if they have two injuries it could have been avoided. You can say that about every position. Example: They should have kept Petroski, if we have two injuries we’ll need him. Another: They should have kept Witherspoon, if we have two injuries we’ll need him.
They should have kept him for rotational purposes. Not because we might have two injuries. If Brayton and CJohn move down on 3rd and long, they’ll need the rest more than the DT’s who were taken out of the game.
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My point was ...
… that tackle depth was less important than end depth, ‘cause they have ends who can play tackle if need be. That’s a legit reason why they should’ve kept Moore. Injuries at end are much more serious than at tackle.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
But DE is deep… DT is shallow.
Might as well have the depth at the shallow position, not just for injury but for underperformance.
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I actually think Landri is really good.
But, like I said, they have more talent that can slide from DE to DT than they do going from DT to DE. Brayton, Johnson, and Moore all could have played tackle if need be. What tackles do they have that can play end?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to go ahead and put this myth that Brayton and Johnson can play DT to bed.
There is a HUGE difference between putting them in on 3rd down pass rush scenarios and what happens on 1st and 2nd down.
As for the question of ‘What tackles can play end?’ you have Derek Landri who did for a few plays against Pittsburgh, you also have this tweener named Eric Norwood who can in a pinch
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I think they can.
They’re only 10-15 pounds lighter than Landri. Meeks had smaller tackles in Indy. I didn’t see Landri play end, ‘cause I didn’t watch that game, so I can’t comment on his performance. Yeah, I guess Norwood could do it, but dang … that’s pushing it. An undersized rookie? It’s definitely an emergency situation, and not something I’d like to see for multiple games.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, so Norwood is undersized at DE at 11 lbs lighter than Everette Brown but 280 lb Tyler Brayton and 275 lb Charles Johnson are okay because Meeks has ‘smaller tackles’?
Projected starters are Leonard and Johnson. Combined weight: 624 lbs
Backups Hayden and Landri: 582 lbs
Brayton and Johnson: 555 lbs
You can’t give up that much weight at DT and be fine… a line of Hardy/Brayton/Johnson/Brown would be te laughing stock of the NFL.
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On 1st and 2nd down
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Indeed...
That caveat should always be applied.
It’s easy to play DT as a DE on 3rd down because the role is the same: Get past the guy, rush the passer
On 1st and 2nd you’re dealing with the true nuances of the position which neither Johnson nor Brayton have any experience with.
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I don't think it's that much weight to give up.
Meeks line thrives on speed and gap assignments. It’s not about overpowering the offensive lineman. And, yes Norwood is only 15 pounds (according to panthers.com) lighter than Brown, but I think most would agree Brown is already borderline himself.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And most would agree that at 296 and 292 LBS respectively Neblett and Hayden are borderline
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I'm not one I guess.
Like I said, Meeks had way smaller tackles in Indy.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And it was likely Meeks who made the call on the cut
So he chose Neblett or Hayden over Moore
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Well, good for him.
He probably dropped Moore just ‘cause he’s not a midget end. I hope he’s happy. I guess we’re done debating it then.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow… so I guess Meeks’ MO only applies when it falls in line with your argument then.
Yup, I think this debate is over
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It’s not the same thing. I applauded him for his defenses in Indy, where he had tackles smaller than Brayton and Johnson. I was upset that he dropped a productive end. It would’ve only been hypocritical if he found another midget end to use as the 5th guy and I was still complaining.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Five DE’s are overkill.
This time last year we had five because Brayton and Peppers were the only guys you could rely on to be 3 down DE’s. Johnson, Brown and Taylor were 3rd down specialists only.
A year has passed and now we have four legitimate 3 down DE’s… makes keeping a 5th pointless, especially when DT is the area of most concern.
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Ha! This thread was so funny I had to read it twice
I say you guys keep going at it. I like being just an argument observer.
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Lol. Naw.
My favorite phrase, I agree to disagree.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha Ha. Yeah try that one when you're getting a speeding ticket
I really don’t think I was speeding officer, how about we just agree to disagree?
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I don't think it's fair when they give you tickets sometimes.
What if you just turned on the road and there was no speed limit sign? Am I supposed to memorize the speed limits for every road within 30 miles?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Officer there’s no sign from where I turned on. How am I to know the speed limits NOT 95?
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Whoa, I only went that fast one time.
And, I was on the interstate and made absolutely sure there was no one in site infront or behind me. I got up to around 109 just to see what going 100 mph felt like.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And what James just said is what I said originally...
“on obvious pass situations” not as every down DT’s.
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Well, we disagree on that.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Lafell/Edwards/Gettis
make a promising young receiver corps.
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I've noticed something...
We don’t cut the WRs we draft. We let them play out their entire rookie contract it seems, regardless of whether they develop or not.
The reason I say that is… if Jarret didn’t have a year left on his contract, would he still be here..?
Possibly.
They could probably have signed him long term for a very low amount.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they want to
I was just thinking that if his contact ended last year, would he still be here? Probably not…
I think Jarrett should gain 30 pounds and switch to TE.
He could probably have a stellar career with some team.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we should swap him and Rosario's positions
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Depends on how we use him I suppose
Of course Fox doesn’t seem too keen on using players according to their skillset. Everyone at a position pretty much does the same things.
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Not a bad idea
A lot easier to get separation from a LB than a DB
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None of us wanted to be let in on you guys little secret anyways
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We're planning a surprise party for you, okay?
We’re baking a Panther shaped cake out of dirt and tears and calling it the ‘pessimist special’
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Heee! Low blow sir
But touche anyways
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Your in trouble!!!
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I agree... but down the road
I don’t see any of them being major contributors for at least the 1st quarter of this season. And that very well might be our toughest stretch. However if LaFell is a solid #3 or #2 by the end of the season I wouldn’t be shocked. Just worried about what we do until then.
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I'm less concerned with the receivers, and more concerned with Moore.
He has to get his accuracy back. The passing game is really all on his shoulders. He has to be able to hit open guys, and he’ll have to thread more than one needle to get it to Jarrett.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would he be any worse than last year?
Maybe he needs to shake some nerves and get comfortable. But I can’t think of why he’d digress… At least not once Smitty’s back. But these receivers don’t even have the short resume that he has.
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POUND…THE…ROCK
The first 5 weeks of the season before the bye we see 2009’s 14th, 32nd, 7th, 21st and 23rd ranked run defenses.
Should be enough time to run over them and let them develop.
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I hope our offensive line can take it.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Justin Hartwig was released by the Steelers...
Remember he started 15 games for us in 2007 and was a VERY serviceable center/guard. Could be exteremely useful to sign him as a backup….
Oh wow, that's huge.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A guy I worked with lived in his condo complex
Not that anyone cares. But it was a rather upscale spot off of Park Rd semi-close to uptown. He was the only one there with a mo-hawk of course.
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And I use to live a few doors down from Charles Johnson in Wesley Heights
It was odd seeing him lounging on his front porch, considering his neighbor was a PhD medical Doctor.
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AND that defense has to play every bit as well as they did this preseason
Cincy, NYG and New Orleans are going to REALLY test them. Facing them worries me considering how Flacco looked against us. Plus you got to think Drew Breez can even score a couple TDs on a top 5 defense.
I will be really happy if we can get to the bye with 3 wins.
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I'm less enthusiastic than I was before the preseason and the cuts.
I’d be happy with 2nd place in the division, the Saints not being first, and a .500 + record.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 4, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can just make it to the playoffs though.
Anyone denying that our team could have challenged to win it all? They were pretty damn good.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
The NFC South is just a tough division
Really ATL, CAR or NO could finish first and it wouldn’t be a huge surprise. But I don’t think 3 NFC South teams will make the playoffs. Meaning any one of the 3 could also easily be the odd man out.
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I agree with you ST, but that's the tough part of our schedule anyway
Another good WR or not the Giants, Bengals and Saints were going to be tough
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Guys I wished could've made it
Trent Guy, Eric Moore, and Brian Witherspoon.
And i’m not trying to argue about depth/roles or whatever. I just like what these guys bring to the table
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
by Smitty89 on Sep 4, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I fully expect we'll see Trent Guy on the PS
I think the Panthers may have originally planned to put Charly Martin on the PS, but Darin Gantt said that there was at least one NFL team looking to snag him off waivers if he hit. If Gantt knew, the Panthers knew… so they protected him and gambled on Trent Guy.
Based on the WRs I saw cut today I can’t imagine someone picks up Guy off waivers. I think he’ll be a Panther again by Sunday
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Some guys now without jobs we could take a look at....
WR Javon Walker – know he’s older, but had some good years
C/G Justin Hartwig – comfortable with team, goooooood backup!
CB Dre’ Bly – once a two time probowler, could be great backup/nickel/dime CB
WR Dezmon Brizcoe – impressive rookie and Kansas star, could help WR woes
WR Josh Reed - okay PR/KR/Slot receiver
WR Michael Clayton- has talent and had good rookie year, maybe could flourish in new place
QB Pat White – could turn fast QB into WR
WR TJ Houshmandzadeh – as if it hasn’t already been said, hah
K Shayne Graham – welcome back Opie??
WR Matt Jones – could still have it
WR Muhsin Muhammad – hah, come on ya’ll…
WR Lavernaues Coles – def past prime, but could he contribute??
WR Derek Hagan – cut from deep NYG WR pool, has potential
Meaning you think he'll be cut in a couple years?
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Out of all that I just listed...
I would most want to seriously consider WR Dezmon Briscoe. Was a STUD at Kansas and had a promising preseason with the Bengals. Problem is that they just have to much depth at WR to keep him.
If not, then lets just bring back the Moose hah…
Who would ya’ll like to claim??
by jkp1516 on Sep 4, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
On Briscoe. The only problem is there isn’t any room, unless he can contribute on ST (which is the only reason Martin made the roster). They’re not going to drop any of the other guys for him.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Briscoe and Hartwig
I would at this point like to offer Hartwig a one year deal we need a universal OG/C that can play all three interior spots. Second Briscoe is a guy we should take a look at, dump Martin and pick up Briscoe. Briscoe would play special teams and do whatever just to have a job. T. Carter or S. Graham hmmm I wonder who I would pick , LOL.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Only Hartwig, but he could be a huge help...
but he may be looking for a starting job somewhere. We should still try to land him, though.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I really liked him in college
but im bias. I love all gamecocks
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
WR Blair White
From Mich State, the Panthers should DEFINITELY look at this guy!! Was a very good draft prospect and had superb preseason for rookie WR….12 catches 181 yards…prob shouldnta been cut, but Indy’s WRs are deep..
No point talking about any free agent WR's
See above:
Hurney: We feel good about our young WRs
Translation: Don’t expect a signing
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You never know James...
Hurney said that immediately after his cuts. It doesn’t mean that he looked at all other cuts and said, “yeah we like our guys better.” All it means is that we feel good heading into the season with this corps of WRs (if there are no changes).
You just never know James, what if Hurney looks at the cuts later and then says, “hey we gotta get this guy, he’s just too good not to, and probably an upgrade from one of the latter guys on the WR roster.” My point is that you never know.
Additionally, I’m going to make a hell of a case for this guy cause I think he could be the Eric Moore of Indy’s team: demonstrated he’s very talented and has lotta potential in preseason and deserving of a roster spot, although the team’s position is too deep to afford that.
Look at his preseason numbers:12 catches, 181 yards. That’s better than LaFell. Also led the team in receptions Was also in top 15 WRs in 2010 draft. Numbers at Mich State were very good: 70 catches, 990 yards, 9 TDs. That’s also better than LaFell. Runs a 4.42 40. Again, that’s better than LaFell. I’m not saying that we should cut LaFell and get this guy, but he might be better than WRs that we have on this team, A-HEM Charly Martin….and White is even a good STer too. Big guy, from Mich State (like Moose) could play 2 or be good slot at worst….Id rather cut Charly Martin and pick him up than keep Martin…
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/blair-white-an-overlooked-gem-in-the-draft/
by jkp1516 on Sep 4, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you sold me
get him in here. send martin packing
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
I'm all for hoping
The kid looks impressive, no doubt. Though I think it’s only fair to mention that 132 of his 181 yards game in the final preseason game against Cincinnati’s 3rd team defense. Nevertheless, I knew his story from Michigan State… walk on, team captain, was accepted to dental school… the whole shebang. But to me this is another in a long line of things we wish the front office would do, but probably wont.
I’m all for wishes, but if wishes were fishes us Panther fans would have a show on the Discovery channel. We already have 6 receivers on the roster, with Trent Guy a likely PS addition.
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damn
pissed all over my parade there.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Maybe you'll be surprised?!
Honestly, I’m guessing like everyone else but I just find hard to believe we would have cut some of the guys we did (like Kenny Moore) only to bring in someone else’s cut; better the devil you know.
But, I do think if the Panthers think the right veteran is available we could see some movement. But, I have no idea who the ‘right veteran’ is
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A-Hem!
Charly Martin would be starting for this team minus a smashed up finger! Instead, this guy’s gonna do it the hard way. Just as he’s done his entire football playing career. Given nothing, all this guy has done is beat the odds at every level. College LSC records- receptions (244) and TD catches (44). Not a slacker conference by any means… Danieal Manning, Johnny Knox, Bernard Scott just to name a few
Definitely a possibility for the PS
I liked Carter as a late rounder
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He needs holes in the top of his helmet
So that his mo-hawk spikes can stick through
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Some insight from Gantt:
5th DE. Would’ve never been active. RT @THECatCrave: I’m a little disappointed by the E.Moore cut..Would have rather kept him than Hayden.
He’s played better than ever, but I thought they were deeper too. RT @Jeremy279: Can you find any logic in keeping Hayden year after year?
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Steve Reed shows that Pike wasn't cash based:
Under a new rule, the Panthers would have had to pay their draft picks their regular bse salaries even if they kept them on the practice squad, but they wound up keeping nine of them. (Practice squad guys normally make about $80,000 per year.)
Here’s the rest of the article: http://reederstake.freedomblogging.com/2010/09/04/hurney-cuts-were-not-budget-related/6421/
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More insight from Gantt
daringantt Everybody liked Kenny but that’s not true. RT @roadhouse158: if they keep 6, justify keeping Jarrett over Moore? Moore was = WR, and ST guy
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Yup
It’s tougher to cut the likable guys, but it was talent based… that’s for sure
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I asked Gantt about the PS:
Guy, Ware, Stanford, Jackson I would think. RT @jamestheaussie: Who are the guys the Panthers cut today only to be on the PS tomorrow?
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Average age of our Team
25.13 years old.
Median age: 24 years old
My guess would be that’s a league low.
We were the youngest team in the NFL yesterday
Even younger now
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What happened to Tank Tyler?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
He didn't live up to his name
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I’m mainly disappointed that they cut Tyler and Irvin, but kept Nick Hayden. I’ve truly never liked Hayden, and maybe thats part of the reason, but I don’t feel like Irvin was given a chance.
Jarrett....
I just want to know why we are still holding on to that bum Jarrett at Wide Out. I don’t care how bad our recievers might be this year outside of Smith I’d still cut that loser.
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