Carolina Panthers' Monday Morning Optimist (Friday Edition) 9/3/10
by James Dator on Sep 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
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Good morning Panther faithful and welcome to the Monday Morning Optimist, now on Friday! Word to the wise: When you don't see me posting like a furious madman on the open thread it means I'm a loss for words, and last night I was lost for words. Not in the way where one sits mouth agape unable to find the right phrase, not in the way where unabashed excitement leaves me in awe, but in the way one fumbles around a toolbox in a dark closet trying to find a ball peen hammer to smash myself in the head and end the horror... yeah, it was one of those games. The ultimate optimism: We won't see half those guys ever again.
Okay, I know that lead in contained more than the recommended dosage of hyperbole... but I think everyone knows what I'm getting at. Leading up to last night's game I was excited to see Moore work with the first team for a series or two, excited to see Jimmy Clausen have more than six snaps to work with the offense, but alas, it wasn't to be. A penny for your thoughts Mr. Fox? Are the coaching staff really confident enough in the offensive starters that they think sitting them was the right call? Not even the New England Patriots sat their starters last night... yet we did. I suppose I should give Fox the benefit of the doubt, after all in the past we doubted the DTs, we doubted Ron Meeks and we've doubted some roster decisions... so I guess they've built up enough cache that I'm okay letting it slide. So let's put this one out to pasture and never speak of it again...
After the jump
This is the part where I talk about Moore and Clausen breaking down their performance and speaking about how their development of these two quarterbacks. Alas, there was no Moore, there was no Clausen. So we can talk about these guys:
Hunter Cantwell: When he's not frog giggin' he's under throwing. It's a pretty unique ability to have the best arm on the roster, while also under throwing your WRs. I didn't see anything from Cantwell to indicate we should keep a roster spot open for him. He has this looping delivery that takes far too long to get the ball out, and when he does his passes seem to float to their target. I know the coaching staff was high on Cantwell going into camp, but personally I don't see why we should keep a spot for him when it's much more likely a better rookie QB will be cut and hit waivers.
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Tony Pike: Pike sees into his NFL future and realizes he wont get much playing time. Pike was better than Cantwell, but only in the way two cookies hit the floor, one is encrusted in hair, the other is stuck to a bandaid; what I'm getting at is that neither were very good. Pike gets a little more lee-way though. Pike is a project, a serious one. I think the Panthers knew this in selecting him. He's going to take some time to be NFL ready, but he showed just enough last night that I think the Panthers should try to stash him on the PS. If he gets picked up off waivers, then fine... it's really not that big of a loss... but I can't help but feel like he could develop into a serviceable backup in time.
Now onto the regular rankings:
Optimistic
David Gettis- Extremely Optimistic: Has anyone done more to improve his stock over the last two games than David Gettis? For me, he's gone from the definition of a bubble player to an absolute lock. Maybe it snuck up on you as it did me, but as it stands Gettis has had a 7 reception, 71 yard preseason which is good for 3rd among receivers in the tiny amount of time he's gotten. You couple that with four very solid kick returns and you have a player who has too much value not to make the 53.
Armanti Edwards- Extremely Optimistic: One of the bright spots in an otherwise underwhelming game. He had a good punt return and it was refreshing to see Edwards used in some different ways on offense. We got to see his arm on a couple of plays, and that alone was enough for me to think we'll be okay carrying two QBs and having Edwards as an emergency 3rd stringer. I love the idea of a wildcat package featuring him, and with DeAngelo and Smitty on the field it will cause nightmares; But that name... no offense ASU Alum and fans, but the ‘Mountaineer Package' needs to be renamed. I don't really think naming an entire offensive package after the school one player went to is a good idea.
Jamar Williams- Extremely Optimistic: He made it through Pouncey's dirty hit and had a solid 8 tackle game. We're starting to see his potential and I did see flashes even against the backups that showed me he has a future at the position.
Greg Hardy- Extremely Optimsitic: He sacked Big Ben... one handed. Technically Landri got the credit, but that was all Hardy to me. He's looking like a special player.
Dante Rosario- Somewhat Optimsitic: Par for the course for Dante. Showing more and more why he's the best receiver after Steve Smith on this team.
Mike Goodson- Somewhat Optimsitic: He seems to be ‘getting it' more and more every week. Either that, or the Panthers are understanding how to use him more. Either way he's making a case to try and win back his 3rd string job.
Pessimistic
RJ Stanford- Extremely Pessimistic: Put a fork in him. Blowing the coverage on the TD was the last straw and he plays an already deep position.
You know, I just deleted another two paragraphs because at this point is there even a need to be pessimistic about anyone else? The organization will speak for itself in a few days but I don't really see a need to talk about guys who aren't going to make the team. So here's a Panthers v. Steelers pessimistic role call:
- Savage, Dantrell: "Here"
- Offensive line: "Present"
- Mike Rucker's talking head, pointless color commentary: "Here"
- Maurkice Pouncey's dirty hit: "Present"
Not much of a roll call I know, but not much of a game.
Overall Analysis
This doesn't change anything from where I stand. We learned a little more about some of our backups, and maybe a couple of guys like Gettis won their spots, but ultimately this game didn't really serve a purpose. Next Sunday we face the Giants to really begin the 2010 campaign, and with the full compliment of offensive and defensive players we'll see last night's game for the anomaly it truly was.
90% optimistic heading to New York to face the Giants
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Pretty much
It was hard to sit through.
I agree with you on the QBs. We should just keep Moore and Clausen, and use Armanti as the emergency QB. I’d rather keep more depth on the defense and at WR. Fox, if making some of the personnel decisions, will want to keep as many people who will actually carve out a role on this team. For example, if Trent Guy is cut in favor on Pike, I’ll be disappointed.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Sep 3, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Armanti looked awfully comfortable as a QB
The guy has thrown passes, returned kicks, punts, lined up as a WR, carried the ball from behind the line of scrimmage. This is why they drafted him… But regardless he hasn’t looked comfortable to me doing anything except throwing the ball.
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Well, throwing the ball is the only thing he has extensive experience doing
The rest will come in time, but I’m glad he got to show off his versatility last night. The “Mountaineer Package” will be better with the 1st string O-Line and RBs in there.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Agreed
They should coach AE on a few pass plays ‘just in case," use him as the emergency 3rd QB and drop Cantwell and PIke. More than likely, one of them will clear waivers. If not, meh, I’d rather have Gettis than either of them.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that we're largely in favor of that.
As of now, almost 1/2 of the 325 voters thought it best to cut both Cantwell and Pike, name Edwards as the #3 QB, and use the extra roster spot for somebody who’s:
1) shown something, and
2) might actually see the field of play.
Goes to show we're (mostly) a smart bunch here, excluding me of course.
Although I did vote to cut’em both.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Survey
Can we get a survey up there?
3rd QB
Cantwell
Pike
Edwards
Waiverwire
or
Roster spots
Cantwell
Pike
Both
Neither
now I'm wondering
if it should be who people WANT/should be or who people think it will be…
The sack by Landri was a differnet one from Hardy's
Actually, though Hardy got Ben down on the first play, it didn’t count as a sack, due to the fact that Ben somehow fell forward enough to get the ref to spot it as a one foot gain on the play. Hence, no sack, not even a TFL. (But you and I all know it was a great play by Hardy, and should have been a sack.)
I posted elsewhere (last night) that it was also my opinion that neither Cantwell nor Pike deserved to take up space (and that’s literally what they’d be doing, face it) on the 53-man roster. Armanti Edwards showed he’s perfectly capable of subbing, if necessary as our 3rd QB. There are too many deserving guys out there, playing their hearts out, that will feel the cut on Saturday — at least this way, ONE of them will still have a jersey, and be available to step in. I’d much rather have Eric Moore, or a 6th WR, or another LB, on the squad, than Cantwell or Pike, who couldn’t complete a pass downfield if we needed it.
by bigdavis on Sep 3, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good spot
I don’t know why I’d assumed they credited Landri for it. Trust Big Ben to be wiley enough to weasel his way out of a sack.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
The cookie analogy killed me!
I’m okay with the ‘Mountaineer’ package. I mean without AE their is no Mter Package.
So the team with a wild cat as its logo changes the name of the formation to mountaineer makes sense
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Could we call it the "Money Package" ?
I think that is a better name anyway.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Predator Package...
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Pike and Cantwell
I think I summed up my feelings in my fanpost, but I agree neither are worth the roster spots we would need to devote to them, end of story.
SIGN HIM
T.J. Houshmandzadeh Hurney get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Ditto!!
Great receiver with no baggage. A little older than we’d prefer but tremendous upside here.
Take the world as it is, not as it ought to be.
Id take T.J. over anybody not named steve smith. Its a easy decision. He is going to pocket 7-8 million from Seahawks and will likely sign for a 1 year deal. If panthers at least dont get it the hunt then im going to be disappointed. With our preseason and 0 offensive tds?
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Too expensive for an injury plagued receiver past his prime.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 3, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
He’s missed one game in three years and five in seven. How is that injury plagued? And he managed 79 catches for the NFL’s most anemic offense last season.
He has a groin injury right now
hasn’t played all preseason
i know
but that doesn’t make him “injury plagued”, and his numbers prove he’s not necessarily “past his prime”
I was challenging the labels.
Thanks Dog, I was wondering about that. I call that a bargain, the best we ever had...
(musical reference). If he’s released, we should at least invite him for a workout.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
7 million
kinna expensive, but maybe we can make seattle take some of the hit, 3 million is still better than 7 million…
they want young players, we have lots of em
seems a no brainer to me
this is thinking
that we should trade for him than risk signing him after being cut, since dallas and san diego are both looking for another wr and can pay him more than we can, especially if there’s no cap next year
SD just got crayton from the cowboys. Both teams are set at WR
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
the cowboys
are NEVER set at reciever… and crayton is no vincent jackson
seatle would eat the salary this isnt a trade they are cutting him
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
i know
read above
they are obviously wanting to trade him first, but are willing to take the 7mill hit
Clayton said he would more then likley sign for cheap and for a 1 year contract. both things play in our favor with our stingy front office this offseason
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
cheap
is a relative term, there are plenty more teams willing to pay more than us for him
i think this is too good an oppurtunity to pass up by leaving it up to what is essentially free agency
we have the trade chips and the chance to turn our team into an instant playoff team by upgrading our biggest need other than QB, why let that slip through our fingers? plenty of teams can out-pay us, very few can outrade us
it would definitely be an injection into the offense
but if he’s cut it’ll be up to the highest bidder and I don’t see Jerry being that guy. He managed 911 yards and 3 TDs playing in Seattle of all places.
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The team im worried about getting into the hunt is the Minnesota Farves. With sidney out and harvin having head issues would be a wise move considering they don’t have much left with Brett.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
i agree
wouldn’t be surprised to see kansas city, pittsburgh or washington in the mix as well, although i do not know their salary numbers
going to baltimore, giving them three #2 WR’s, would make them an instant superbowl favorite as well
salary numbers dont matter in a uncapped year. every team is fair game. Why you think so many teams are making so many roster dumps of big contracts? No cap hit. T.J. wont sign more then a 1 year deal just like T.O. did in buffalo
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
unfortunately
as we can see from MLB, every team is not fair game in uncapped years
yeah, or the Jets are always eager to gobble up
every vet they can.
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/10/20254000/ngbbs4ae90e77783d4.jpg
sorry came across this picture on the steelers blog and had to share.
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Interesting notes on Houshmandzadeh's contract situation
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5529209
Take the world as it is, not as it ought to be.
In that case he will go to a team he considers a contender.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
So much for the panthers
a team he considers a contender.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
all the more reason
for us to make a trade for him rather than watch him sign with minnesota for the vets minimum
So who do we lose for a year with TJ?
I’m not really sure I can come up with someone who is worth enough to the Seahawks that wouldn’t hurt our future depth.
Not saying we shouldn’t pull the trigger. Maybe a 2011 3rd (since we will probably have another for Pep).
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Better yet
a 6th or 7th rounder that Hurney will pick for them. He is great in those rounds.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
If Crayton is only worth
a 7th round pick, then TJ isnt worth much more. If we only had to give up a 6th for TJ I would be so happy, but then again I would have given up a 6th for Crayton. Why didnt get get into that trade?
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
i believe
that was more crayton picking his team, as he said he really wanted to go to san diego
Still, the team chooses
the trade. Just cause a player says he wants to go that team doesnt mean his current team is going to do that for him. Unless its in his contract or something.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
dallas
most likely felt like doing him a favor, and since it was for an afc team they were more willing… sure they only got a seventh rounder, but they also gave crayton what he wanted and made it so he can’t beat them later
Except Both Teams
are major superbowl contenders. You wouldnt want him coming back and beating you in the one game that counts.
But its over so there is no sense arguing why we didnt get Crayton.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
lol
i wasnt arguing why we didnt get crayton, my original point was that the chargers could go after housh because crayton isnt that great, although he was worth more than a 7th rounder
Good Point.
I’ll just stop talking about Crayton. And If we get TJ I’ll be so happy, but in the end I dont see it happening. Hes many years too old.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
id trade edwards for housh
remember, the seahawks are going to be out probably 5 million at least, so we trade them edwards, maybe a rb which they need, a future pick, something like that, and then offer to take over more than seattle’s hit of his salary
Armanti?
Or is there another Edwards im thinking about? There is no way we trade Armanti.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
im not thinking about*
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
why?
his football IQ is clearly low and he can’t catch…. people say you can teach people to catch, but if that were REALLY true, guys like TO, a future hall of famer, wouldnt drop so many passes
armanti edwards will probably not make us a contender in the future, but housh makes us a contender now
His FOOTBALL IQ is low????
Thats one of his best qualities. He is transitioning from QB to WR and still doing better than every WR on our roster this preseason. And that fact alone also means he can catch.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
what?
what pre season games have you been watching?? he’s made like 10 boneheaded plays already
We are talking about Armanti Edwards right?
Aside from the fumbles on the Punt returns he has hardly done anything wrong. He had 2 catches in the Ravens game. 2 again in the Jets game. 3 in the Titans game, and 2 against the Steelers.
If you could point out the “boneheaded” plays for me that would be great because I just dont see them.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
dont believe me?
ask mike cranton, he agrees with me lol
edwards had a chance to shine against 3rd stringers and he looked rather mediocre, and while he lead the team in catches during the pre-season, he did nothing after the catch, and his 9 catches netted the 5th most yards, not really what you want from someone who is touted as a playmaker
as a qb, he did look much more comfortable, but didnt really do anything
as of right now he’s nothing more than a project… ill take a near sure thing over a project anyday
i like edwards
im a huge app state fan
and to a point, the fact that im arguing that he be traded for housh obviously is a backhanded compliment
he cleary is better than or has more potential than almost all of our receivers, and he’s the only young player i think would intrigue seattle
If Edwards is so terrible, why would Seattle want him?
Also, you don’t trade someone you just drafted. That’s just incredibly stupid.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 3, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That is true
but I’m not sure of the exact number (maybe someone can help me out, Probably BigD with all his play by play breakdowns) many of Edwards catches were for first downs, at least from what I remember.
Edwards is a project but thats how you get great players. Smitty did not come into the league being a sure thing.
I think you might be overvaluing TJ. Hes good but hes not worth giving up a guy who has the potential to be much better than he was.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
do i think
edwards has the potential to be a great WR?
yes, i do, and he’d be an almost identical copy to Steve Smith’s success, and certainly better than housh if that’s the case… but that’s maybe what, a 1/6 chance or something?
i think housh makes the panthers a playoff team, and although he’ll almost definately be a one year rental, with the fans not really being too excited this year, i think it’ll get butts in the seat while our young talented players develop
MOST importantly, i think it gives an instant boost to matt moore’s confidence, which can only help him, and help our future, giving clausen a better chance to develop in the aaron rodgers model
so trading away edwards for housh in my opinion would ultimately be better for our future’s chances… not as high a potential cieling with edwards, but much greater chance of success
In my opinion
this team is already good enough to get into the playoffs. And they always sell out the stadium, so thats not really an issue.
If we are talking about our future, then it only makes sense to keep Edwards. Smitty is not getting younger, and if we relied on two old receivers without having some young guys with potential than we will be screwed in the future.
I do agree that TJ would help Moore but I dont think it will help him so much that it is worth trading Edwards. Moore will be fine, hes done pretty well with just Smith on the field in the past. This is one of the youngest teams in the NFL, this team is built for the future and trading Edwards for TJ would go completely against that.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
WR
has historically been the worst position for rookies to come in and play right away
wr playbooks are often as thick as QB’s in the NFL, which is typically a huge jump from the typical 12 route system most colleges use, so to expect anything from edwards now is probably misguided… without another “real” WR to take pressure off Smith and prevent teams from loading up against the run, which we’ve pretty much seen all pre-season, then we can’t possibly maket he playoffs
Smith’s presence obviously lets us score in SOME games, but it’s not enough to turn the tide from what we’ve seen so far… another WR threat that teams actually have to consider WILL change that
We have other valid threats.
Our TE’s should be used more often and a lot of people are saying Rosario is the 2nd best receiver on this team. The year Smitty won the triple crown, I dont remember a solid number 2 beside him. Our offense with a complete Double Trouble and an Elite WR will be able to score and win with our shutdown defense.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
ricky proehl
was our #2 statistic receiver that year, although keary colbert was our #2
proehl had four td’s though, good for 5th in the nfc south that year :-D
Yeah and his stats weren't that great.
Proehl 2005: 25 Rec 441 Yards 4 TD.
Colbert 2005: 25 Rec 282 Yards 2 TD.
If thats all our 2nd receiver has to do to get Smitty a Triple Crown then I think thats entirely possible. Hell, Edwards could probably get stats similar to Colbert this year, if he gets on the field and if not him then Lafell should be able to get those kind of numbers too.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
In the Jets game, he caught 2 from Clausen, late in that game, one for 4 yds (smoke route that went nowhere), and a second for 15 yds and a First Down.
In the 3rd quarter against the Titans, he caught 6 yd passes on back-yo-back plays, the second for a First Down. Those were from Moore.
So, in those 2 games (I don’t have the Ravens game), he caught 4 passes, 2 resulting in First Downs. Only on the last of the 4 do I recall him picking up any extra yards, and that with a nice straight arm to extend it a few yds.
There is simply not a chance in Hell that we trade Edwards, for Housh or anybody else. The staff loves the kid, and they feel strong about bringing him along for a big future.
It is simply against every move they’ve made in the last 6 months to imagine they’d trade for such a short-term fix.
Thanks.
50% of his receptions being first downs are pretty good.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
Yeah It would seem like it
except for Jarrett. He will hardly ever drop that ball, but he has too much trouble getting open.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
You're right, except that I wasn't thinking of Jarrett as a 'candidate'
He made the roster by default, off last year’s final game, IMO. The ‘candidates’ were Moore, Gettis, Martin, Gay, and LaFell, although he’s made the teram, virtue of his draft status, has dropped more than he should have, too.
Oh, didnt catch that.
I think Jarrett is going to be on the team as well, just because we dont have much experience at the position but many others do not think the same. So I try not to assume what people believe because its almost impossible.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
by ThePanthers! on Sep 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Armanti had a first down catch in ALL 4 pre-season games.
Adam must not have been watching, because I’ve seen no less than 3 plays where Armanti caught the ball, turned up field, eluded tacklers and got the first down.
edwards has the most receptions this preseason....his football
IQ is one of his greatest attributes, and he can catch, he just hasn’t done it since high school. T.J. is 32 and a short term solution. Armanti is a rookie and has a very high ceiling.
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what do
catches have to do with football IQ?
he made costly mistakes… muffing punts is one thing, but losing focus is totally different, and he lost focus… lack of focus to me is a big sign of poor football iq
i will admit though that i cant make a true assessment since i cant know how hes doing with the playbook, but there has been more to me that shows he isnt too bright than to show he is… so far
I disagree
I dont feel that Armanit LACKS focus, he just got nervous and isnt used to returning punts, because QBs, they usually dont return punts. What other plays has he lacked focus except for the one or two plays on punts?
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
Armanti*
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
I'm not saying the receptions prove his football IQ
I’m saying he has both. He muffed two punts when he’s not a punt returner and you want to trade him? He’s returning punts, kick offs, catching passes and taking snaps in his first 4 games. I’d say his ability to grasp the game from multiple positions (i.e. football IQ) is very promising thus far.
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i agree with that
i believe he also was on the kicking team at times wasnt he?
so i change my opinion to as yet undecided concerning edwards iq
i just read
an article that says the panthers are really impressed by armanti’s football iq
so im shutting up now, with my foot in my mouth
Not sure you can directly relate "Football IQ" with catching punts.
Under the lights, especially, with 3-4 230 lb. guys roaring at you, is a lot different than any of us can imagine.
I doubt seriously if Peyton Manning could do it, or Drew Brees, or Brett Favre, or Tom Brady – and they’ve got pretty high “Football IQ’s”, wouldn’t you say?
WTF does muffing a punt have to do with your football IQ?!?!
Stop making baseless statements.
Armanti has already shown that he can be productive despite having only played WR for 2 months. Not only that, he has shown that he can be a threat in a multitude of different ways.
If anything says “High Football IQ” it certainly means being versatile enough to play QB/WR/PR as a rookie with only experience at 1 of the 3.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
by Tater596 on Sep 3, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen. Rec'd
Mensa & Phi Beta Kappa, in football terms.
Dont worry
he agrees with us now. See above, where he puts his foot in his mouth.
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by ThePanthers! on Sep 4, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so sure about that...
Other than the money, why did he elect to go to Seattle? Surely they weren’t the only team that was interested in signing him.
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Enjoyable as always, James
If you go back and look at my comments, I’ve been high on Gettis from the draft, and will take him over Jarrett any day. For me, Smith, LaFell, Edwards, Gettis, Moore, and Martin should be our 6 WR’s. If we pick TJ or someone else up at WR, then Moore should go.
I saw Damione Lewis was cut. Either we were right in letting him go, or maybe we could get him back cheap.
We clearly don't need him
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Lewis that is
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Do fans want TJ Houshmanzadeh or DeAngelo Williams?
If the answer is the latter then end of story, case closed.
Here is what Housh is due:
2010: $7 million
2011: $8 million
2012: $8.5 million
2012: $9 million
That’s right at what an extension for DeAngelo Williams would likely cost, and for what? A 32 year old receiver who’s paid like a #1 but doesn’t perform like one? He’s older than Steve Smith… by 2 years.
Trading for Housh would be undoing all the good work and tough decisions the organization made during the offseason. I would have rather seen us spend $2 million on a one year contract for Terrell Owens than $32.5 million over four for Houshmanzadeh; and trust me, I can’t stand TO.
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Seatlle signed him to a 5 year deal much like what we did with delhomme now they are more then likely cutting ties to avoid to big contract in the end. Find it interesting Pete Carrol is cutting him to promote Mike Williams the former 1st round pick from Detroit out of USC. If Pete can turn Mike back into a player then i see Dwayne Jarret quickly on his way to Seattle as soon as his stint with the panthers is threw
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i presume the panthers
would want to do a cut and trade type thingy with seattle, making it a one year deal and still keeping seattle on the hook for some of housh’s salary for this season
send them a mid-late round pick, or former usc boy dwayne jarett, or if they’re stingy armanti edwards (see above for my reasons)
u need to share some of that shit you are smoking if you think we are trading away Armanti. We traded a second to move up in the 3rd to take him. He is here to stay for the next 3-4 years minimum
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Crayton just got traded for a 7th. Trading armanti would be like trading a second for housh. not happening. Panthers are in the Armanti project for the long haul
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i didnt say i thought it would happen
i just said i think if it came down to it, we should do it
we get housh for a year and had to lose armanti, but we make playoffs this season, and with the way our defense has been playing we become a SP contender
we lose housh in the offseason, but since we’re a playoff team we could probably get another vet WR for cheap, and by the third year clausen and lafell would be ready
with the youngest team in the leauge and a shit load of cap space if next season or 2010 is capped we are in great shape for the long haul. Id love to have Housh but we do not have to win now we are set up for quite awhile
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
It would be very uncharacteristic for them to take him anyways
Especially after unloading all this money. I doubt they’re even considering it.
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Did you see the ESPN article about his contract?
Main point is that Seattle is on the hook for the difference in his contract. If we paid him $1 mill then seattle has to pay him another $6 mill.
But that assume he would sign a one year deal.
Yeah... I have since then
Not much motivation from Housh as far as I can see it.
Why would he play ball with Seattle when he can double dip? They cut him, still need to pay the $7.5 mil guaranteed and he can sign a 2 or 3 year deal somewhere else.
Bottom line: Houshmanzadeh can make more than the veteran minimum somewhere. I don’t really see why he would be open to helping Seattle out.
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Housh is a glorified TE, no thanks.
I’m sorry but I wouldn’t even be in favor of signing him if he was a FA, much less having to give anything up for the guy. He’s a cancer anyway.
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What makes you say that?
He was always considered having good character when he was with the Bengals while OchoCinco was the cancer.
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by ThePanthers! on Sep 4, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Things to get excited about...
1) If we are ever in the situation where our starting defense is all out for a game, we still might win that game. The 2’s played pretty good D!
2) If our starting D holds up, we may win some big games with double trouble back there. As well as a dash of Steve Smith. This plan worked great in the past.
3) How many wins has Indy had in the last several pre-seasons? Not the greatest indicator how the best players on the team are going to preformon opeaning day.
4) The last two weeks the special teams has looked better than they have in the last 2 years.
5) Next week it counts and there is always hope… everyone is 0-0!
#3, I think most of us agreed that preseason results don't matter
But how they perform during those games is very telling. I think it’s safe to say that our defense will be very good, and that our offense without Smitty is not very good.
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One thing this game will do is make NYG waste time practicing for our "deadly" "Mountaineer" formation
And I bet we don’t even use it in that game. One of the benefits of having that as an option is just to give opponents something else to worry about. That takes some practice time that might otherwise be used learning how to stop Smitty or Double Trouble.
But I have a feeling we’ll role it out very slowly over the course of the season.
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The problem with our wildcat, mountaineer or any other moniker:
Is that there is only one threat on the field. Last night it was Armanti. For any trick package like that to be successful we need multiple threats on the field at the same time, like Miami does with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams
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I think that package will evolve
Once we have the first stringers all in action, I think you definitely get Williams\Stewart in on it, and you also have to get Smitty in on it. I’d also think we maybe get Barnidge out there as an outlet for a pass, he seems to be our biggest receiving threat outside of Smitty at this point.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Barnidge is NOT a bigger receiving threat than Rosario
I can understand the knock on Rosario as a blocker maybe, but the guy makes some amazing grabs… and rarely drops anything.
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Gross and Stewart on Armanti at QB
As for his play at quarterback, it created a bit of a buzz in the locker room.
"I was excited to see it," said tackle Jordan Gross. "It’s just something other teams will have to prepare for. He did a nice job. He’s efficient with his throws and ran the ball pretty well. We’ll probably keep that all year so other teams will have to look at it."
"But it’s not going to be our bread and butter. This isn’t college. You can’t run spread stuff all day long. The bulk of our offense is still with the ground game and throwing the ball."
Added running back Jonathan Stewart: "He zipped that thing out there real nice. That package we got with him in there gives us a different look on offense. So we’ll see how it goes."
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It's not like he'll be in the backfield with Josh Vaughan in a real game
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Precisely
I just hope we are more creative with this package than our terrible version of the wildcat circa 2009
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Well at least we can throw out of it now
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I think after last night you definitely dump both Pike and Cantwell
And hope that you can stash at least one of them on the PS. Niether showed me much of anything that I would call a flash of brilliance. Cantwell was underthrowing everyone with his “cannon” and Pike was getting the WRs killed out there with his slow floating passes. I swear I could have made a sandwich in the time it took some of them to arrive.
Armanti would be a great option as a 3rd/Emergency QB, because let’s face it. Once you are down to your 3rd QB in a game, you’re just trying to survive, and we already have a roster spot for Edwards. That will open up more possibilities to get more guys on the 53 that we think will actually contribute.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
by Tater596 on Sep 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The problem with getting rid of Pike & Cantwell
And keeping Edwards as a back up is this. Edwards is doing punt, kickoff returns, & working as a receiver. Odds are he will get hurt before Moore or Clausen. Then you have no 3rd at all along with his loss.
you can ALWAYS find a 2nd/3rd string QB when someone gets hurt
See Testaverde, Vinny
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by BW Smith on Sep 3, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear Jamarcus Russell will be available.
Hey, at least I didn’t say, “Durrrrr. Sign Vick. Durrrr. Garentees a Super Bowl. Durrrr.”
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She looks good, but could she evade the blitz?
Cuz you know it’s be a fire drill to get to her.
I'm not sure
but I’d take my chances to get her on the team…
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by John Chilton on Sep 4, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh, what'd you say. I was mesmerized by her belt buckle for some reason.
But yeah, I’m sure she could avoid the blitz. It’s hard to run when tripping over your tongue.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Besides
If the Panthers get to the point where they have to rely on Cantwell/Pike to lead the offense, they’re in big trouble anyway.
Wow! I'm not extremely shocked though
They gave Cantwell the opportunity to take the #3 and he didn’t capitalize. Pike on the other hand wasn’t great, but I think had more pocket awareness and allusiveness then most of us expected on Thur.
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That is thinking too defensively, IMO
A bridge to cross when it comes in front of us. Not necessarily one that has to be crossed to reach our destination.
Getting to 53 today involves choosing priorities. The Steelers’ ‘scrimmage’ showed that Edwards can at least be as effective at QB as either Cantwell and/or Pike. Let them develop (if they’re ever going to) on the PS, or somebody else’s roster. I’m not sure any other NFL team would look at Thursday, and decide they’d want either.
I think Armanti should pass more often
I tend to think a WildCat option of 2 guys that can only run the ball is not really that big of a deal. Direct snapping to a RB buys you an extra blocker, but is still obvious. But things get much more complicated for a defense when there is a dual run-or-pass threat.
I’d like to see us use him often as a passer. Maybe let even close to half his snaps be passes that he’s comfortable with.
And mixing Goodson in the mix sounds interesting too. I think he is the most capable receiver out of our RBs. I’d like to see him catching out of the backfield when we use the Moutaineer.
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I love how many people just want to be right
70 votes came in this afternoon for ‘Keep Pike, cut Cantwell’
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I'm guilty of one of them.
But to be honest I would have kept Pike. He was less likely to make the practice squad if cut, and we did spend a draft pick on him. It’s obvious our staff likes him a lot.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 5, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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