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Observer Chat with Sorensen and Fowler

I have extracted the Panthers related portion from the chat and posted following the jump. My own thoughts on some of the points are in italics


[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Is this a "make or break" week for Matt Moore? How long of a leash does he have?
   
Scott Fowler:
Matt Moore will have to pass a series of baseline mental tests -- and by an independent doctor, not just the team folks -- to play Sunday. I think this will be iffy and will go on all week, because NFL is so much more stringent on concussion policy than it used to be. Ultimately, I think we'll see Clausen play at least some on Sunday, but as I wrote in my column today, this is the time to have some patience with Moore. The job should be his, for now, assuming he's healthy.

[Comment From JoeJoe: ]
Would Matt Moore be able to start this weekend if he doesn't in any practice all week?
   
Scott Fowler:
I don't think so. Fox really doesn't like to start players who don't practice on Wednesday and Thursday, the two primary game-planning days. Sometimes he'll start 'em if they don't practice until Friday, but if it goes past that, I think it's Clausen at QB.

Already discussed at length in "Matt Moore will start..." thread.

 

[Comment From SS54SS54: ]
Why do you think Fox and Davidson decided to stop running the ball in the second half?
   
Tom Sorensen:
Because NYG scored on its first three possessions of the half and because the run had ceased to work. Giants came out prepared to stop DeAngelo and Stewart and they did. Take away one long run and DeAngelo averaged little more than two yards a carry. Run wasn't working. So they experimented with the forward pass.

[Comment From MarkMark: ]
Matt Moore's poor decision-making in the redzone, which mirrored Jake at his worst, makes me wonder whether the Panthers coaching staff is at fault? First down on the 4 yard line and you throw three times? Why? Why not stress to Matt that the team must get at least field goal out of the rezone, and take no risks?
   
Scott Fowler:
The coaching staff definitely needs to take some blame for the "3 straight passes from the 4" decisions. But the ball is ultimately in Moore's hands, and he's got to throw the ball with more accuracy and not just lob it up there and hope.

After going through BigDavis' breakdown I feel slightly better about the play-calling. Jarrett was open for the first pass at the 4-yd line and the second the throw was slightly off-target. Case of could have been, should have been. But I think it is highly unlikely that we throw the ball more than 20 times against the Bucs.

 

[Comment From SS54SS54: ]
Why was the OL so ineffective? Does Otah mean that much to the OL?
   
Tom Sorensen:
OL was the biggest surprise for me. Even without Otah there is a lot of talent and experience. But line created little room for the rushers. And when they came after Moore, OL was powerless to slow them down.

Training was particularly brutal this year and I wonder if the effects have lingered. Also, Kalil did mention that there were some communication issues but I expect these can be resolved fairly quickly.

 

[Comment From savagessavages: ]
What's the best pursuit to get Panthers on track winning games?
   
Scott Fowler:
First of all, their defense has to be better. Panthers aren't designed to outscore people -- in fact, scoring 18 points is going to have to be enough for them to win at times. So although offense was bad and is getting headlines, defense (esp. pass rush) must improve.


[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
What is your assessment of the secondary, where did the problems come from?
   
Scott Fowler:
Looked to me like the Giants were picking on Richard Marshall. I thought Godfrey, despite his two interceptions, also was slow coming over the top sometimes to help. And Gamble had a couple of miscues this week, too. All in all, not great anywhere.

Tom Sorensen:
Secondary was terrible. Godfrey and Gamble made mistakes. But the lack of a rush was such that Eli had all day to throw and the DBs had to stick with their receivers way too long.


I expect that the defense will get better like it did last year - let's not forget that Godfrey et al has new responsibilities with the system being tweaked this year. I really think that without serious pressure on the QB it is very difficult to stop good passing games in the NFL. Greg Hardy simply needs to be in the game a lot more. I am a bit concerned that Josh Freeman and Mike Williams may be able to take advantage this week unless our guys improve very quickly. 

 

[Comment From TylerTyler: ]
What is the status of Charly Martin? If he can't go Sunday, he would be activated in his spot?
   
Tom Sorensen:
In other words, will it be Armanti Edwards? Don't know. Do know a bus full of ASU fans is coming down from Boone. When Carolina and TB play, everybody wants to watch.



[Comment From DJADJA: ]
I disagree--After a concussion, I think Matt should sit out this week and Jimmy should get his chance to start. I don't mean to forget all about Matt just let him rest. Jimmy moved this team in preseason and deserves this chance against Tampa to start at home. If he doesn't move them in first half then bring moore in if healthy. if not try Pike or run the wildcat with Edwards.
   
Scott Fowler:
This, to me, is symptomatic of the microwave society we live in. You can't switch QBs every time something goes wrong. Now if Moore has to sit out a game, fine. But he gets the job back whenever he returns. Clausen, I don't think, is quite ready. And Pike -- believe me, he isn't ready, and if you saw the Pittsburgh preseason game, you know that's true. As for Armanti, I'm fine with him running the "Mountaineer" package, but another full-time position switch at this point will just set him back.

Valid points that have been echoed by many at CSR.



[Comment From DPDP: ]
Can Panther beat Tampa Bay just by running the football? I don't have any hope from our receivers (except #89)   
   
Tom Sorensen:
They will rely on the run, but they'll throw. They have to. They can, however, beat TB with Williams, Stewart and Smith. This is as close to a homecoming game as they'll get.

Translation: Tampa will probably stack 9 people in the box and leave a safety and a corner on Smitty. What we don't know yet is who will catch it. Jarrett? Gettis? Aqib Talib?

  
[Comment From John T MasseyJohn T Massey: ]
When will the offensive coordinator and head coach be replaced?Steve Smith needs some help as a Wide Receiver so when do you think help will be on the way ?

Scott Fowler:
They'll be replaced at the end of this season, I think, when Fox and all of his coaching staff go elsewhere (as Tom wrote about so incisively Sunday, Fox and Jerry Richardson are no longer close). As for WR, it's going to have to be LaFell, I think. He'll get better.

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Do you guys really think Fox is gone after this season? What if we win a SB or go deep into the platyoffs?
   
Tom Sorensen:
I wrote Sunday that Fox is gone, and I wouldn't have written it if I didn't know. Nothing has changed. This is important -- Panthers aren't firing him any more than they're firing him. No matter what happens, he's out. If he wins the Super Bowl, his resume will be golden. He has enormous respect around the league and will be offered another head coaching job.

Scott Fowler:
I think he's gone either way -- 4-12 or 12-4.

[Comment From TowelboyTowelboy: ]
when john fox leaves town after the season, does JR keep any of the current assistants? will the next coach be a an offensive guy or defensive guy? will we cheap out on that acquisition as well?
   
Scott Fowler:
I think all of the assistants are gone. Next coach: offensive guy. Cheap? No.
   
Tom Sorensen:
New head coach will keep the assistants he wants, especially if the new head coach already is on the staff. They won't go cheap. But they won't necessarily hire the biggest names. Fans are star struck. Ain't about stars. About getting the right guy.

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Do you think that Meeks would be promoted to HC?
   
Scott Fowler:
No, Meeks would be gone, along with Fox. I don't think anyone in current administration would get head job. But Meeks does have head-coaching potential down the road, I think.

[Comment From DJADJA: ]
Don't throw the towel into the ring on Foxy yet. All these 4-12 predictionsare hog wash... Jeff is good offensive coordinator--they will come together-- and I think if so they have a chance for a wild card berth,. I like the defense already.. keep everybody playing like we did the first half against NYG and we will win
       
Tom Sorensen:
Fox is gone. Has nothing to do with this season. I can type more slowly if it will help.

[Comment From RitchieRitchie: ]
If Fox is gone at end of season, will Jerry hire new coach before or after CBA is reached?
   
Tom Sorensen:
Before.

[Comment From joejoe: ]
so if we fail to make it to the playoffs this seasion is it Richardson's fault or Fox's?
   
Scott Fowler:
I'd say 60 percent Fox and 40 percent Richardson.
   
[Comment From BlackSaturdayBlackSaturday: ]
Is Gruden a possible replacement for Fox?
   
Tom Sorensen:
Hope not
   
[Comment From BrianBrian: ]
If John Fox wanted to come back, would you want him as coach of your Carolina Panthers, and why not?
   
Scott Fowler:
Definitely a possibility.
   
Tom Sorensen:
Things wear out. His relationship with Richardson has worn out. He's not coming back. What I want is superfluous.

Some of this was a little new to me. I was under the impression that the potential lockout was what prevented Fox being extended. But from what I gathered here, it seems as if Fox wants a change. Even more interesting is the prediction by Fowler that Meeks will be gone - which means we are potentially looking at another change in defensive scheme.



[Comment From Timothy BrowningTimothy Browning: ]
I watched Matt Moore live at Oregon State and he never made it through a season without being booed by his own fans (usually deservedly). Will this happen eventually in Carolina? On a related sidenote...have you noticed how many Oregon quarterbacks make it to the NFL but just can't breakthrough...Joey Harrington...Akili Smith...Derek Anderson...Dennis Dixon...
   
Scott Fowler:
I think there's little doubt he'll be booed here. Fans are cynical (see the frequent preseason booing of the punt returners and the raucous cheers when they made a fair catch -- and that was in a game that didn't count).

   
[Comment From BobbyBobby: ]
How much, if any, do you think the weather factored in to the team's performance? Particularly that of Moore?
   
Tom Sorensen:
I left the press box and went outside for awhile. Rain was consistent, but relatively light. No downpour. It wasn't a factor for either QB.


[Comment From JoeJoe: ]
How would you grade the wide receivers beyond Steve Smith last weekend? Do you see any improvement in Jarrett's game based on the one game
   
Tom Sorensen:
Simmering. LaFell could be good. Jarrett often excels (in practice). Armanti will be a factor, but not yet. They desperately need another playmaker.

[Comment From Bobby from WilmBobby from Wilm: ]
What in the world happened to our run defense in the 2nd half?? 1st half the Giants couldn't run the ball past the line of scrimmage, then it all fell apart for our D after halftime...
   
Scott Fowler:
I thought the defense wore down, partly because it was on the field a long time. The Bradshaw 39-yard run was a killer. Godfrey was way out of position on that one.


[Comment From KimKim: ]
I see Rhys Lloyd is in town - what's up with Carter?
   
Scott Fowler:
Carter has back spasms, and he hasn't exactly been knocking it through the goalposts. Lloyd may be a better alternative at this point, and certainly is entertaining on Twitter, that's always important.


[Comment From JR - Myrtle BeachJR - Myrtle Beach: ]
Hey Scott, after the first half I though I's get mention in your column this week but can't believe the play calling! If you look back at last year's games when Moore performed really well, it seems most of his success was on rollouts. Any thought on this? Thanks!
   
Scott Fowler:
I do like Moore on the run -- extending plays a little. I'd like to see them do that Moore, get it?! OK, that was bad.

No-brainer- just get him out of the pocket which is guaranteed to collapse
.


[Comment From WilliamWilliam: ]
Do you think the running game is going to be as good this year without Brad Hoover there to see the openings and lead for the running backs through the line? He was a very valuable player and may be missed more than management would like to admit.
   
Tom Sorensen:
Hoover was really good, and really underrated, and really beaten up. Panthers believe in their young players, among the Fiammetta. Nobody has picked Hoover up for a reason. And he was among my favorite players. People wear out.


[Comment From WaltWalt: ]
Does Darin Gant's prowess on twitter frighten the rest of the sports staff?
   
Tom Sorensen:
We define prowess differently. It's almost as if Darin likes attention.

   
[Comment From MikeMike: ]
It seemed that Stewart got pulled early and was replaced by Goodson. Any word on Stew?
   
Scott Fowler:
Goodson was in there because they were in their third-down package for a lot of the second half. He's a little better as a pass-catcher than Stewart. Stewart hasn't been real healthy for about 3 years, he says, but I think he'll be his normal 80 percent Sunday.

This may be interesting to those who believe that keeping both D-Will and J-Stew may not be wise from a fiscal perspective.



[Comment From DPDP: ]
Do you think Cowher (or a replacement coach) will be brought in before end of the season as a consultant?
       
Tom Sorensen:
No way, no chance, no.

Scott Fowler:
No, Richardson wouldn't do something like that, I don't think. That'd be cheap.

Something that is reinforced by Gantt/Fowler/Sorenson - JR is not cheap. Perhaps he is just highly principled - a quality so rare that we find it hard to take at face value.



[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
After this ugly game , do you predict 0-16 like the fans? After we crush Tampa will you waffle to 15-1 with the fans? Who knows less, Charlotte NFL fans or Observer writers?
   
Scott Fowler:
Well, Tom picked Panthers to go 9-7 and I picked 'em 7-9, so I guess we're both more in the middle. I like where I'm sitting right now, T Tommy.

Tom Sorensen:
Neither the fans nor the writers -- you. Who waffles? I predicted 9-7. I'll stay with it regardless of what happens.


[Comment From Frank BeansFrank Beans: ]
What are the chances of an actual lock out?
   
Scott Fowler:
Chance of lockout at all: 70 percent. Chance of it actually destroying 2011 season so it's not played at all: 10 percent.

   
[Comment From Frank BeansFrank Beans: ]
Who is being more unreasonable in the lockout situation? Players or owners?
   
Scott Fowler:
Equally absurd. Too much money to split up to be whining so much.

   
[Comment From TowelboyTowelboy: ]
which young guns have impressed you guys? i like fiametta's blocking, clausen's pocket presence and connor's reads. anyone you like?
   
Scott Fowler:
I like Greg Hardy's athleticism, too.


[Comment From Frank BeansFrank Beans: ]
Did the Panthers offer to let Hoover retire a Panther?
   
Tom Sorensen:
I don't know. I called Hoover. He didn't call me back. 

Whoa!


[Comment From DeAngelo WilliamsDeAngelo Williams: ]
Any reason I didnt get to touch the ball in the second half of the Giants game? And whats up with all the passing attempts inside the red zone?
   
Scott Fowler:
Glad to have you, DeAngelo, haha. Panthers aren't going to make that mistake again. Incidentally, you should have scored earlier in that game -- don't get tripped up by a shoestring tackle at the 4.
   
   
[Comment From mikemike: ]
Fox, Kasey, De"anglo and Stewart can stay. FIRE THE REST !!!
   
Tom Sorensen:
Put the bottle down, Mike, and walk out of your parents basement. Be careful with the steep steps.

   
[Comment From Frank BeansFrank Beans: ]
Does Steve Smith retire as a Panther?
   
Scott Fowler:
Yes, I think he does.


[Comment From EricEric: ]
Do you really think they should bring back Thomas Davis if he feels up to it this season?
   
Tom Sorensen:
Absolutely.  


[Comment From thurman banningthurman banning: ]
Who will have more sacks this season j.peppers or panthers defense?
   
Scott Fowler:
Panthers D.

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