Giants Step on Panthers 31-18
by Jaxon on Sep 12, 2010 4:33 PM EDT
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The Panthers began this season much like they did last season's dismal 8-8 season. QB Matt Moore threw three INTs in the end zone to essentially hand the victory to the Giants. All three were simply poor passes that should have instead been thrown away. Yet Moore isn't the only one guilty of poor play on this day. The offensive line became a sieve in the 2nd half. The defensive secondary couldn't cover Hakeem Nicks, who scored 3 TD's. In the end the Panthers couldn't make enough plays in either side of the ball to make up the difference in score once they got behind in the 2nd half.
Here's my positives from the game:
- RB Mike Goodson had a good day returning kickoffs averaging 23 yds on 5 returns with a 45 yard late int he 2nd half; He also caught 3 passes
- DE Greg Hardy blocked a punt for a safety and forced a fumble
- S Charles Godfrey picked off two deflected passes as the defense forced 4 turnovers
Here's some quick hits from the game, ...after the jump...
- Matt Moore has got to stop staring down his receivers and stop lobbing the ball
- Captain Munnerlyn had nifty 28 yard PR
- Secondary got picked apart in the red zone though they had a decent day tackling
- Goodson on crossing patterns is my new favorite play
- Goodson KO return to the 50 yard line towards the end of the 2nd qtr was the high point of the game; the offense took it down and scored for their only lead of the game
- WR Steve Smith caught a TD pass on same route that broke his arm against the Giants
- The offensive line just got abused int he 2nd half
- The Giants bottled up the Panthers running game in the 2nd half
- RB Jonathan Stewart did not look to be in game shape, was running tentative
- LB Dan Conner had 13 combined tackles to lead the defense and added a sack
Overall just an ugly performance by the offense. The defense played well at times but made some mistakes. Outside of a botched snap special teams constantly gave the Panthers good field position. I know you are disappointed Panther fans, let's hear it!
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was it me
or was goodson on the field more than d-will and j-stew both?
Yeah, I was dumbfounded by this
I didn’t see Stew at all, bar a couple plays.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 12, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I couldn’t believe that Goodson was in the backfield so much – when we needed to score points.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 12, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He's our shotgun back.
His blocking is improved, and he’s always good to catch a pass.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He's made some great blitz pickups.
Better at that than Stewart, for sure, and now, probably even better at it than Williams.
Since we were going so often to the pass, I guess that’s why he was the lone setback, til he caught the finger in his eye, and Stewart went in.
Goodson was actually good last night
Don’t get that thats the thing you are choosing to question.
by jojoisthemann on Sep 13, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore's decision making made me cry
I wanted to punch him in the dick. Also, wondered why Davidson called 3 PASS PLAYS ON THE 4 YARD LINE.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 12, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We'll never understand why he called those three straight passes
But Moore shouldn’t have made that horrible throw, either.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
That is why I want him fired.
After this season, almost regardless of what happens. We can do so much better.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Head on a platter.
No excuse that after we have the defense reeling on our passing game that we don’t give the ball to either Stew or D-Lo on a draw and make a couple attempts at punching it in on the ground. I was absolutely dumbfounded by the playcalling.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
To all the panther fans who talked crap about the Saints win and how bad we looked
Really ???????????
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 12, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
if you had some nuts, you would've posted a comment before the game
you are weaker than smokey from Friday. you are garbage, and saints fans are embarrassed because of you.
by usana_gaines on Sep 12, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt put anyone down
It was sent to a select few and I only asked a question i prefer not to be banned from this site so I’m am trying to not insult the whole fan base
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They scored more points
with their “pathetic offense” than the saints did.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
against a lame team
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
vas te branler
We’re coming for you. Tête de noeud
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault. -Jack Tatum
Giants are lame lol....
finally the Siants do something except for embarrass themselves and this clown has the balls to say the Giants are lame.
"Lets go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs" -L.T.
Get the F&$% out of this blog
You give a bad name to Saints fans. The others who have visited us have been courteous. You coming in here to brag after a sloppy win over the Vikings is just classless and pathetic.
So get out of here, and don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Nobody deserves game ball
Dismal performance all around. Secondary was awful, O Line was pathetic, no pressure on Eli, missed tackles. Pitiful.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
What now?
Seriously… What now? Moore looks as bad as Jake does. Our running game was non-existant. Our Defense was gritty, but not great. This did not look like a winning football team.
I was concerned about us practicing the passing game in the preseason
O-Line and running game was NOT in season form, at all. God awful run performance forced us to rely on our main weakness as a team.
I want Davidson’s head, the only thing he missing in this game from his dismal career here was the 3rd and long draw
It was great to see #55 running around making plays again. :)
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
it may not have been morgan but it certainly looked a ton like him
by pantherpride on Sep 13, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Conner hits like a brick
That guy is stout. Apparently he was simply mis-cast. The guy is really good at MLB.
Not to be a defeatist, but...
We are SOL for the next few games… Moore was rattled as all hell. As a kid his age, that performance was a judo chop to his confidence. Hell, if we’re going to go through this, I want CLAUSEN at the helm.
The way the OL played
He’ll feel right at home since he’s used to terrible OL performances.
Still, I’d rather keep the kid’s head connected to his body. If Moore can go next week, give the guy another look and give the OL a chance to get their act together so Clausen and his toe don’t get killed.
FIRE JEFF DAVIDSON
tell me how this sounds…don’t throw the ball until the end of the second quarter. don’t run the ball for the last 20 minutes of the game. there is no reason for us to have more than double passes than runs. when we are down 7, we should be running, not panicking. this reminded me of when chris weinke was trying to bring us from behind as a rookie, throwing 30-40 times a game. the play calling was horrible, but richard marshall was worse. i mean, raise your hand if you have ever seen a guy get TWO pass interference calls on the same drive. we forced four turnovers and blocked a punt for a safety, but couldn’t capitalize. matt jake moore delhomme threw three pics in the end zone. i’m disgusted by all phases of the game EXCEPT SPECIAL TEAMS. imagine that.
"And fat chicks in a Geo Metro is hot."
My quote of the week… Hehe!
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Fox cried when we let go of Delhomme…just saying.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
And Delhomme looked decent for Da Browns today...
Go #17! I still miss the guy. I’m not gonna lie!
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
for the record
jake had two or three turnovers and lost the game for cleveland. because of him, the bucs are tied with saints at 1-0.
by usana_gaines on Sep 12, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
BAH! I stand corrected...
I saw “0 INT” and got prematurely excited… Hahahaha!
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Jake made an appearance in the first half
bad Jake finished the game and the Browns in the second half.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 12, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's contractually obligated to say that
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 12, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He does
I seriously doubt we can break .500 with Clausen at the helm this season. Clausen is NOT a threat down the field, AT ALL, and we rely on deep balls to spread out the opposing defense. We do not have the passing setup to play constant 5-10 yard pass plays and pick apart a defense. We rely on vertical passing to open up the run, which is Clausen’s biggest weakness.
all moore has is the deep ball and he is floating it. Ill take better QB vision accuracy from short to mid range passes and ability to read the defense and check out of plays over the deep ball at this point. Clausen has played behind a shitty line before he can get the ball out
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I'm liking this... (high five)
I mean, the kid (Clausen) is a tad cocky(Ha!)… but he’s got big ballsy swagger. I think it’d be hard to shake him. I guess my feelings have been swayed by the longing to see a good season opener with only 1 INT… :’(
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta disagree
all we need is a qb to complete 50% of his passes with no turnovers. it doesn’t matter how far the ball goes. and we need to run the ball in the last 20 minutes of game time. clausen can’t help if he has to throw while running for his life on 30 straight plays. our o-line looked bad, but their strength is run blocking, not pass blocking.
by usana_gaines on Sep 12, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we don't
Deep threat isn’t a necessity. A passing threat of any kind is. A consistent threat to gain 7 to 13 yards on a pass will help free up our RBs to run wild. We use the run to set up the pass. That’s our game plan.
Guess what? We’ve already set up the pass because no one fears it. If we can’t take advantage of that, it doesn’t matter what happens.
Not as depressed as I was after the opener last year. In that game we looked awful everywhere. Here there were some promising signs, like the good play of the ST, and the multiple interceptions by the defense.
This loss come down to Moore playing badly ( You have to audible when you see a nine man box, and not float the passes) and the coaches not making the same second half adjustments the Giants did. Their offense and defense abused us in the second half, and we didn’t react to it.
do we ever make halftime adjustments?
seems the other teams always react to what we’re doing and we just keep on keepin on regardless if it ceases to be effective
We did today!
In the 1st half we were throwing TD to the endzone. In the 2nd half we were throwing INTs.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
So how bout Jarrett?
Two clutch completions on third and long, I think he needs to be on the field more.
by ppalm on Sep 12, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He did account for half our points... Agreed!
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
he got me 12 fantasy points he was projected to get only 4.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
But our new kickoff guy kicked no better than Kasay would have
Maybe Beason should kick-off for the Panthers.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 12, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My quick hits....
Jeff Davidson didn’t put us in a position to win, but Matt Moore ensured we lost.
- I think it will come out that J-Stew is still a little banged up and they didn’t want to risk him long term.
- It can’t be under estimated just how poor the field was. The Panthers should lodge a complaint. I’m giving the DBs a break in the 2nd half because of this.
- I’m not advocating Clausen starts per se… but there has to be a discussion now. Lackluster preseason for Moore, now this? The only justification for him has been ‘he turns up when it counts’ and that didn’t happen, We can’t have a repeat of 2009.
I’ll be more optimistic tomorrow.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Good Points -
It’s only one game and it was on the road against a hungry Giants team.
I’m willing to give Moore and the Panthers a chance one more week.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 12, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If Moore has a concussion and with new NFL saftey concerns on head injurys. Clausen will get the nod…and Moore may never sniff the starting job again. In Carolina anyways
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I'm willing to give Clausen a chance also
or even Steve Beuerlein
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 12, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
im tired of having lifetime back ups as our Starters. Clausen been first string since he was in diapers haha
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
True Dat!
Clausen in 2010! Have trust in the Pickles!
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Great points....The MMO can't come soon enuff...Im hurting a bit now......
I’ve been a huge Moore supporter but keeping things real…those 3 picks in the end zone constitute a potential 21 point turnaround. From a heart stand point , I’m pretty pleased with the effort…I think we were up against alot of forces today (anyone notice Roger Goodell in the owners box?)… I thought our best chance was to get an early lead and take it from there…but we just failed to capitalize on early opportunities. All in all a far less discouraging start as compared to last season…… But man, what’s discouraging, is that from a physical standpoint The Panthers came out ready to win this game.
I disagrree...
“I’m not advocating Clausen starts per se… but there has to be a discussion now. "
I think,
Yes, Moore made some seriously BAD decisons, but the rest of the team was imploding as well. : Our offensive line was abysmal, the runnning game – for whatever reason – was getting snuffed, our defense disappeared in the second half, and the playcalling stymies me. I think, as a whole, team showed up in a dysfunctional state and it showed on the field.
1 game does NOT define the season, it provides the gametape necessary to correct the inefficiencies. If it’s still like this after 3 games, with no signs of improvement, yes, start looking at options, but to call for the hangman after one game I think is premature. (I know you’re not calling for the hangman, per se, but rather advocating starting the discussion. I’m advocating a little patience given the totality of the ugliness. Something Greater needs addressing.
Just my 2 cents
by 12th_Man_Fan on Sep 12, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The NFL moves at 100 mph
We learned last year what happens when you wait 3 games to change something that is lacking.
I dont want to see us make the same mistakes.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
+1
Let’s look at this realistically: financially, it makes sense to keep Clausen over Moore. If Clausen plays next week and manages the game well and looks like he can play, why not give him the experience and let Moore walk at the end of the year?
Disclaimer: I am not stating my opinion, per se, just how I think the front office will look at this situation.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Fox would sure save face.
He’d be able to say that’s why he rode the Delhomme horse so long.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
Haven’t really thought of it that way, but that’s a great point.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
The "New James"
Big change from last season where you stuck with Delhomme until we were clearly out of the playoff picture — until it was literally too late.
I guess you learned your lesson last season huh?
It’s not about ‘learning lessons’… if anything today proved me right.
Last year I wasn’t convinced Matt Moore was better than Jake Delhomme (and comparing the two today he isn’t). Jake had built up enough credit with me that he had more rope.
Throughout the off season I remained hopeful, but cautioned people that the ‘shock and awe’ aspect to Matt Moore would be negated by teams having film on him; we just got our taste of what happens when someone has film on him.
Matt Moore hasn’t really proven anything other than he looks terrible in preseason and turns it around in the regular season. Well, it’s the regular season and what am I supposed to hang my hat on? A QB rating lower than Clausen, who was 0/2?
Matt Moore hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt, especially now. Those games last year looked nice, but meant nothing; today meant something. At least when Jake threw picks it was 3rd down, 4th down… looking to make a last second play… not 2nd and goal.
Much of it goes to abandoning the run (which I think we’ll find out more why Stewart wasn;t used) but regardless, I’m sorry Matt Moore is injured, but it’s the best possible situation for the Carolina Panthers. Clausen gets a chance to start against a mediocre team, Moore is being replaced because they have to so if Clausen looks bad his confidence isn’t rattled and the decision was made for Fox.
There was a point in time where I thought ‘Fox will make the change because he wan’t to save his job’ but I’m not convinced he wants to save this job. Win or lose, playoffs or not he’s going to be the most coveted coach in the NFL.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very good points
Especially about the turf, it had a part in that botched snap too I believe. I noticed on that last Nicks TD, Marshall slipped and couldn’t recover. It happened to Gamble a couple times too. Our safeties missed on a few assignments which led to big deep plays, including both TD’s to Nicks. Munnerlynn is too small to cover that play effectively. Godfrey had a poor day, it’s a good thing he was practicing his tip drill in warmups today. Secondary just had a lot go against them.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic
But holy crap did anyone just see that injury to the Eagles?!
Well, there is no way Leonard Weaver isn't out for the season
Knee bent 45 degrees in the WRONG direction
I stand corrected
Only a knee sprain, I was so sure something had to be torn. It looked awful, crowd made that wincing noise when watching the replay
daringantt
Panthers QB Matt Moore taken to nearby hospital for evaluation. Was not available in locker room.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
i said stand up and applause when Matt got hurt and that was a dick move on my part but this is the only way that Fox will make the move to the rookie quicker.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Delhomme got benched McCown got hurt then Delhomme got hurt then Moore got his chance. Injurys lead to QB changes in Carolina. Turnovers do not
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Yeah it's the only way Clausen is getting playing time.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I said something similar, and looking back -- I was wrong
But, Moore should have been pulled before that play anyway — he just wasn’t getting the job done.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Honestly I was ready to pull him after that pick where he threw falling down.
He had Stewart right in front of him, last season Moore would have checked it down right there, got the yards. You guys know I like a QB who will try and make a play sometimes, but there’s a difference between that and just making stupid throws. Moore made some stupid throws. He didn’t get a lot of help, but he honestly didn’t need much to screw it up. Let’s see what Clausen can do this week. Tampa Bay is a good team to start against. If he plays well, I’m not sure I can go back to Moore against the Saints. If not, we save face, because of Moore’s concussion.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Man... 1 bad game.....
I’m just as frustrated as the rest of you over his poor performance, but to automatically applaud his injury, and call for his ouster? man….
by 12th_Man_Fan on Sep 12, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be available in the lockerroom after that performance either.
I’d have snuck out the back.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Vick sucks worse
Played like DOG shit in the preseason.
by jojoisthemann on Sep 12, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the Packers offense line was fixed? Eagles destroying them in the trenches
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Its the beard, man
Rogers shoulda never shaved it, lost his beardman powers
Interested as a Football fan to see how the Mcnabb/Kolb situation works out. I don’t think Philly realizes how hard it is to get a franchise QB. Kolb may not be Arron Rodgers
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Sounds like Moore is concussed..
maybe pickle time next weekend.
I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.
Probably be calling for Edwards against the Bengals.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No first Pike
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
by ThePanthers! on Sep 12, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone have a screencap of Davidson holding his head?
I feel like that sums up today’s game perfectly. Brutal 2nd half. Ugh.
as bad as moore looked today
i’m blaming davidson on this game. i felt like i was watching one of my friends play call on madden when he was down by two td in the second half… anyway
i know some of you already want jimmy to start, and as excited as i am for jimmy to start sometime in the season, i’m hoping moore would bounce back next game. he would have no value to other teams if we sit him the entire season.
on the other note, i was just in time to watch the usa basketball team to win the gold…
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Also
Clausen needs time to develop. Hes actualyl injured right now, and its very risky starting rookies in the NFL, it can ruin their career (see Carr). I think Clausen shouldn’t start barring injury until after the bye at least (week 6). That should give him enough time to be ready.
He's not your typical rookie. He's been through the fire.
Bradford is the one that’s likely to be broken by starting.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
that toe is going to last all year they expected it too. He is taking shots in it just like he did last year. Rather he plays or doesn’t his Toe wont be 100% until next year.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Jerry Richardson
I Think the Owner Should Be at fault For a Lot Of this Game? he Wanted to go cheap this year by not signing Quality Players So If anybody needs the Blame, Blame the owner.
Everybody is to blame in all aspects.
The end.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Moore is more to blame
hence the name Mooore
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 12, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We do have the most cap space of any team in the NFL...
Wait… Cap space? WTF!?
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Still though...
Moore looked very uncertain. We simply can’t have doubt or instilled in our most pivotal position. Now, I’m not saying Davidson didn’t suck, because he did. There was more than once occasion Moore stared down his man, or simply forced it in. He smelled like a rookie. I do hope he’s okay though.
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i just saw
Ryan Grant running off the field with one shoe on hopping on one foot….and the looked BETTER than our running game today….i mean really, where was our o-line….we got owned completley and deserved to lose the game!!…..I thought we got rid of the QB that throws pics….and at least his weren’t always in the freaking END ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darin Gantt Moore Update
While coach Fox said Moore suffered a concussion, there may be more to it. Team officials weren’t sure if he’d make team flight, no details.
To clarify, Moore may have a concussion. But that’s not the only thing they’re looking for.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
They're looking to see how he was possessed by the spirit of Delhomme?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
They're also looking for Jake Delhomme's DNA, just to be sure it's not Jake in disguise
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
That sucks
I know he threw some bad passes….but with NO RUNNING GAME and NO PROTECTION….u cant completely blame the guy
by pantherfan2005 on Sep 12, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
O-Line is in for an ass-whooping this week.
Reminds me of our coach, made us get out and run laps around a rest stop after a loss on the drive home. DONT TALK ON THE BUS!
I was pissed at Moore...
..but I don’t want him disabled…
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty, I feel bad for Moore.
He came out this year obviously unprepared. He clearly did not put in the work that he should have. However, what a bad way to end your career as a starter. The first game of his first year as the undisputed starter and he blows a honking snot ball like that … dang. Must stink for him, and I feel sorry for him.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He got smacked in the arm and went to the sideline to puke.
Either his arm has a concussion, or it was Jake’s revenge
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 12, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
In General we just don't have the electric ability to recover
Quarterback is realtively “new” and not experienced enough
Receivers are still trying to “get it” (Sorry Mr Smith)
O-Line seems out of synch
Defensive secondary was too busy running around putting out fires
Linebacker core strong but can’t support the rest.
What is this TD you speak of?
I do not believe such things are possible.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I was hallucinating ...
Cool deal.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps you should let people vent after we get our asses handed to us and stop being so uppity?
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
You’re confusing venting with idiot bandwagoning.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly who are you advocating for?
If it’s Moore, me and you are going to have one long debate.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m advocating for people not to mindlessly bash the team.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm calmed down now.
I don’t know who they should start really. I think they should’ve yanked Moore before that last pick in the endzone. He clearly needed to sit on the bench and think about his actions. If he can’t properly prepare for a game, and do the offseason work necessary to hit his targets, then he doesn’t need to play. On the other hand, I don’t know if Clausen is really more talented at this point. I think Clausen should start the next game, but have a very short leash. I’d just keep rotating them in and out ’til someone showed why they should be a pro quarterback.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to play with the guys you have.
There’s nothing else to do.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i think moore should get another chance
this should be a low point in his career right now. now if he builds from it and gets better, then he should be fine. If he doesnt…then clausen should get the nod even tho im a fan of moore. just dont want to destroy any chemistry that they may have. especially since the team is young…
Clausen will most likely start next week
If Moore has a concussion (which is being reported) then he cannot start due to the new league rule that says a player with a concussion must sit out at least one week after the injury is sustained.
So, we will probably see Pickles next week against the Bucs whether we want to or not.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Who doesn't?
Let’s at least see what he has. We won’t know until he tries.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I'm sure there are people who don't...
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I do, I do!
I’d rather we see now than wait to see if Moore perks up or lets a bad start plague our season. I know he’s hurting physically right now, well, and mentally too I suppose. But, when he comes back under center, he will remember this game. And remembering things that sucked (like evil bitch ex-wife) are not good for confidence or resolve.
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
1 TD since preseason and that came with 2 seconds left in the 1st half. What chemistry is this you speak of? Moore has a concussion he needs the rest no need to risk his health and we can see what Clausen looks like with the 1’s. we haven’t had that chance yet
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
im talking about switching back and forth btween qbs
im sure you’d like to give clausen the go ahead REGARDLESS of moore’s health but i was hoping he’d (moore) gets another shot
There's one positive thing that would come from Moore stinking it up.
It’d save a lot of cap room for other guys next year.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Clausen plays well and we are winning do you bench him to bring back a healthy Matt Moore? I don’t
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
If he doesn’t hit the field again this year he won’t be my concern because he will be gone
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Clausen is a long term thing Moore isn’t thats why i dont get why people are flipping out for people calling for his head…Yall do realize Matt Moore is a short term thing right? We didn’t draft Clausen to hold a clip board.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
nope but i rather suck with our QB of the future and let him learn this year and adjust then struggle with a guy who isn’t in our long term plans. 8-8 with Jimmy Clausen is more vauble then 8-8 with Matt Moore.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
You know as well as anybody else Qb rotations dont wrok in the NFL if you are going to start soemone you start them until they have a complete melt down
Maybe Clausen's toe could be a factor too
If it keeps bothering him and Moore get’s healthy
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
They didn't wait to put Delhomme in the first time.
They waited ‘til the season was lost to put Moore in. Which of those scenarios worked out the best? QB carousels usually don’t work ‘cause that means your starter stinks, but he’s usually your starter for a reason. Anytime you have to replace your starter you are likely to not have much success. It has to be done though. There are no good options when your starter falters.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm not...
The way Moore played today, we deserve to call for his head for a few hours after the game.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
not from me it won't
And there are some who have been that way since we drafted Pickles. That’s just the way it is in Carolina and the NFL — the backup QB is the most popular player on the team.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
lol true -- there are exceptions to every rule
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
But those teams have Superbowl rings?
(and don’t have Jeff Davidson)
by panthersnbraves on Sep 13, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
an idea
from the seatle SB site…
you have to be a member for 2 days before you are allowed to comments…
yes the keeps someone from commenting right away even though they have something productive to say and have been lurking for years, but…
it also keeps people from joining during/after a game just to talk junk or to say nonsense…
just a thought if we think this becomes a problem
b/c I like the game thread from last year, this years was full of too much play by play and nonsense for me…
but really
im just as digusted by the game as a whole, but really do we ALREADY give up on moore? one game?? really?? Im honestly praying for this dude bcuz if something is really wrong we’re gonna be happy so that clausen may get his start? seems kinda wrong to me. but anyways to the game everyone outside said we would have growing pains and guess what? We did. Now they just need to correct the mistakes. But just from reading all the comments make it seem like Im the only one to stand by the panthers’ side. I guess so….
A few things you can't train or teach...
…are confidence and security. You either have it or you don’t. I didn’t see much of either of those from Moore today. Sadly, he really looked like a rookie.
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I hear ya man...
I think we’re all a little jaded from what happened last year. No one wants a repeat.
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather give the man a chance for a couple games
Than go with the god awful QB carousel we had in 2007
I can agree on that!
But, it looks like Moore is out for at least 2 games. That’s my guess anyway. QBs and concussions are BAD. He was definitely seeing birdies.
by SwankTheTank on Sep 12, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything this pessimist warned about came true
1. I was thrilled this pre-season to learn that all of my complaints about the D-line were wrong. But it looks like I was right after all… all new faces and absolutely NO pass rush! Our secondary had some mistakes, but nothing that couldn’t have been cured with a little heat on Eli.
2. I said that the return of Smitty and Stewart would not create enough TDs to save our offensive woes. Some of you guys swore LaFell and Jarrett would magically appear.
3. I’ve been quoting stats on how our O-line and running game have consistently got off to a slow start the last 2 years. 101 rushing yards per game in both of the 1st 3 games of the last 2 seasons. This year looks no different. Hopefully we will not be 0-4 by the time they cure this.
What I didn’t expect was Moore to be such a bafoon! Many have said Jake 2.0. I disagree, he looked much worse. Jake cracked under pressure, but Moore just made stupid decisions. Hopefully Clausens toe is well enough, because we are going to need a QB who can protect the ball and work some magic on a pretty sorry set of receivers.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Man... your well thought out and astute observations and predictions are getting a little bit tiresome already.....
You know Im just busting stones there,,….in all seriousness ST, your warnings came to fruition on this day, but I thought thru one half we got the better of the Giants on the Line of scrimmage and overall physically and I take that as a real and substantive positive. I think if we capitalize on our early redzone opportunities we could be singing a different tune.
Would of,,,could of….should of…… but it was there.
I can think of positives
Goodson he could be a really solid 1-2 punch option if Double Trouble is split up. Our run defense looked good until late… but they had an impossible task at that point. Clausen could very well start next week.
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How dare you mention the possibility of DT being split up?
You know that’s sacrilege around these parts boy.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I learned that very well this off season
But let’s give credit where credit is due… Today Goodson was a bright spot, not Double Trouble.
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Of course they finally figured out that Goodson is better catching in the back field
Then he is running between the tackles. Another positive. I want to see more of that.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I agree
We played well that first half, however that second half breakdown really hurt us. We got too far behind, partially due to Moore, partially due to bad luck, and we had to abandon our gameplan. Double Trouble ran a combined 21 times, Moore attempted 33 passes. Those numbers should be reversed at the least. With a young team, we’re going to have to learn to combat adversity, and hit back after being hit.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Chronological order
We got too far behind, partially due to Moore, partially due to bad luck, and we had to abandon our gameplan.
Sadly, the game plan was abandoned BEFORE we got too far down.
That punt botch was the beginning of the end.
Once we were down by a TD or more, Davidson panicked. Moore didn’t exactly inspire confidence, but he didn’t fall apart until we got down to the goalline. Where Davidson and the line hung him out to dry coincidentally. Moore played like crap for much of the game, and he did lose us the game, but Davidson and the line put us on the edge.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Godfrey looked lost on some plays
He missed on over the top coverage to Hicks twice in a row in the first half leading to the Giants first touchdown.
He completely missed Bradshaw on his break-away run to set up the Giants last touchdown.
Even if he has 2 picks… he needs to be consistent all game
+1
I was pissed when I saw him running like a kicker on a long kickoff return at Bradshaw when he broke free…
Sure, he had two picks — but he also gave up a crapload of big plays that put us in bad situations.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Both of Godfrey's picks were lucky
Both deflections… just happened to be in the right place at the right time… The Giants receivers were leaving a lot of balls up
To say they were lucky takes away from Godfrey.
It’s like scoring a tap-in goal in hockey or soccer. Sure you feel lucky because it was easy but you still had to be in the right position. And Godfrey was in the right position. Granted, it was only twice all game but still.
42
Hate to say it...
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2010/9/6/1672190/why-this-2010-panthers-teamwill#46096044
I am really surprised at the amount of vitriol that has been directed Matt Moore’s way. He had a bad game – there is no doubt about that. But until yesterday we kept talking up his 6-2 record as a starter. Well, he is 6-3 now. Why would you give up on him after one bad game? That too a road game – a revenge game for the Giants?
What would you do if Clausen had a bad game against Bucs? Go back to Moore? Or get Pike?
I know that not all are saying there should be a change but some of the comments on Moore have been brutal….
Moore looked like the Rookie out there today despite his “6-3” record. he made some throws and decisions that were just flat out retarded. I do not see why there is so much loyalty to Matt Moore? Delhomme i understand he was our starter for 6 years. Matt Moore has been our 3rd string QB for 3 years all but 9 games. He was 3rd on our depth chart for a reason. Today we saw why. He has heart and can make some great throws but he also has zero pocket presence stairs down receivers and can’t check out a play to save his ass. You throw your loyalty on Matt Moore thats fine. Me? i want the best chance to win and after today from what we saw? i say why not give Clausen a shot? he sure as hell can’t do any worse
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I dunno ... we said that last year about Moore.
But I get what you’re saying MMA … I really do.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
"i say why not give Clausen a shot? he sure as hell can’t do any worse"
No loyalty to Moore here – I actually like Clausen better in the long term. My point is that we can’t keep chopping and changing. You want players to perform under pressure but you also want them to play loose. If Moore gets benched after one bad game, that would make everyone on the team edgy.
Just my 2 cents.
Moore is at least knocked out of next weeks game if not longer. And why is it a bad message to send to your team that if you can’y get the job done we will see who on the roster can? 5 turnovers by Moore 3 in the redzone. Hell if i was the players id be like YES we didn’t wait till the season was lost this time
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
The difference in Moore and Clausen
Is that Clausen will eventually replace Moore unless Moore has a ProBowl year. And it’s clearly looking like that isn’t going to happen. Moore has played well when everything was falling our way, but now when the team was on his shoulders he was an absolute bonehead.
Clausen is touted for being an extremely smart QB, and if he has a bad game we’ll chalk it up to him being a rookie. But if Moore is going to play like this, then we might as well see what Clausen has.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Side note:
I don’t know if anyone is watching the Philly/GB game, but I can see the fans calling for Vick over Kolb if he keeps torching the Packers with his legs.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Like I said before
exact scenario as our fans…. Woulda loved to see clausen out there early. But both QBs knocked out etc
GSO
+1
Me and you know its gonna happen….and I hope it does because once Vick is asked to execute the West Coast O…these fans will be reminiscing about the good ole days with #5 at the helm.
Don’t know whether TV is covering the injury situation but the Eagles are now are out of O-lineman
I know but why did you call me out on that?
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
no i didn’t check back homie wrong person…i never said anything about Vick
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
by MMA_PITBULL on Sep 12, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was upset earlier, but now I'm just worried
Concussions are bad news and with matt moore puking on the sidelines that is a VERY bad sign. Forget the game you guys, we’ll do better next week…this was a messy game on a cruddy turf. For now, let’s just pray for Matt’s well being.
As much as he pissed me off today
I completely agree. Hope he gets better soon
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Absolutely Awful
To be fair to Matt… the O-line looked lost most of the game, but at the same time, he repeatedly made awful decisions. Matt Moore is simply a bad quarterback. The secondary was torched by Nicks. If the Panthers play like this for the remainder of the year, I call a 5 or 6 win season, what a pathetic job by the Panthers. None of the players on the roster are deserving of a game ball from this blunder.
Hockey is my oxygen, football is my food, and baseball is my water. I'd say basketball is my shelter, but I'd rather not lie.
I think your overstating it........
now I would agree last seasons opener was “absolutely awful”.
To the Panthers credit they came out and played a highly motivated and well coached team evenly thru one half but just couldn’t overcome their own ineptness in the redzone. I thought the O-line played OK until we lost control of the game in the second half.
The O-line looked sloppy the 1st half
But the 2nd half Moore had plenty of time. Jake use to crack under pressure. But Moore just played like a bonehead. The offense was rolling when he took over last year. But today we needed a QB to carry the team, and he couldn’t do it.
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I don't mean every single snap
He did get knocked into a concussion. But there were multiple throws where he had nobody on him and just made stupid decisions.
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Major problem
The game was no better than I thought it would be with so many young players starting and I don’t mean only the rookies. The major problem I saw was, what happened to the defensive backs, they looked totally confused all day. If Moore has a few straight games like this one he will be sitting the bench, I don’t think Fox will go to the point he did with jake. I just don’t want him to lose his spot because if an injury. He is young also and so is Clausen and we may have these ups and downs all year.
Friends, would somebody please pony up the new Panthers Fan Confidence Poll.
Get outta my way, I’m ready to vote.
stuff 'bout stuff.
you and me both
Hockey is my oxygen, football is my food, and baseball is my water. I'd say basketball is my shelter, but I'd rather not lie.
by truheelzfan44 on Sep 12, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that's where all the money went that Richardson saved.
Gold plated wagon.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Then most of the fan base should be happy
The vast majority ride it anyway.
So whoever’s off… I guess we’ll see you in a few weeks.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed.
I was half expecting a loss, doesn’t make me any happier, and I was shouting at the TV for much of the game, but still, this doesn’t really change my expectations for the season. Didn’t expect Moore to be that bad though.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Vick > Kolb…they used Kolb as a pawn Vick was there plan all along..
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Now thats just silly.
There was even talk in the preseason that rookie Mike Kafka could supplant Vick as the #2 .
I think you need to keep in perspective you were seeing Vick playing against a team in a prevent D with what was a 17 point lead in the 4th Qtr. This should good now that The Eagles have put themselves in position for an improbable and great comeback win.
i was being sarcastic bud
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Cool... my bad in the misread there brother!
although I can’t believe he might just pull this game out.
Eagles had more value tied to Vick then any team in the NFL. Main reason he is still on the team. He can still play the man has insane amount of rust to knock off last year i mean he was in prison
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Im confident
Look I think we should start clausen next week… Look i know it was Moore’s first game but really he caught us this game because he left 21 points on the board AND he wasn’t effective in the first half expect for the Smith TD Pass even when our average starting field position was on our own 45. Look at the EAgles and Vick they take Kolb out and they play Vick and look what happens they actually score. I want clausen we have good receivers we just someone who can throw them a decent ball… and a passrush
If the plan is for Clausen to eventually be Carolina's starter
Then Moore just gave us one more reason NOT to wait.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
i wonder how Peter King feels about Moore now….lol
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
We should have known something was up when he praised him
As much as he has the knack for being wrong, we should have known Moore was doomed, lol.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Has anybody ever thought about maybe the reason moore played so well last year was because he wasnt gameplanned against? And the same is for our D line in the preseason…. We need clausen now I dont give a flying flip if he is a rookie he is better than Matt Delhomme
I think that's part of it
Also the offense was rolling when he took over, and Stewart was a beast. But today Moore experienced what it’s like when the other pieces aren’t in place.
After 8 years of shaky QB play, I’m ready to for us to find a guy who can put this team on his shoulders. Moore doesn’t look like that guy, but maybe Clausen is.
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I agree
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
watching this Eagle game maybe we should of went with Vick he wanted to play in Carolina after all
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
My dog is alive... just the way I like him
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
heh
He’s definitely sparked the Eagles offense.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but you can’t deny without Vick this would of never been a game
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I will deny that.
Kolb or McNabb does the same thing if not better than Vick did against that prevent.
Vick just threw for 16/24 for 165 yards and a TD and rushed for 100 yards to get his team back in the game. He did his job it was just too much to over come
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I agree he did his job and then some....
but it was in garbage time against a very soft prevent defense after the Pack absolutely just physically dominated the Eagles for 3 quarters. To his credit it got closer than I’m sure the Packers would have liked.
11 runs for 103 yards is impressive at any time especially for a QV
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
some truth in every thing i say im more excited with Clausen then id be with Vick but id take Vick over Moore short term
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
No brainer for me....
all other things aside, after closely watching Vick now for two years with the Eagles, I would take Moore over Vick.
How did Matt Moore get a concussion?
On the play in the end zone the defender whacked Moore’s arm, not his head.
Does he have an arm concussion or was he already concussed before the play?
The defender went to the ground with him from behind after springing the ball, head first
Very similar to the fall Kolb took. Both had concussions and no way to protect themselves on the fall.
Can somebody PLEASE explain to me
Why a team with 2 of the top 10 RBs in the league, who prides themselves on running the ball, could get within 4 yards of the end zone and then throw the ball 3 times?
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+infinity
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
+1
I’ve been a Davidson apologist of late…At the NFL level I don’t think its fair to blame an OC for bad QB decisions but in that situation how do you not give your power run game at least one shot. if not all three. Terrible!
That's what gets me...
He didn’t try to run it in ONE TIME from that close to the end zone. If Moore had thrown the pick on 1st down it would have been different because we could have speculated over what the next call would have been. But to not give D-Will or J-Stew the ball in that situation is absurd.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
The one time a draw makes sense...
And Davidson doesn’t call his favorite play in the play book… Simply brilliant Jeff.
I have never been a Davidson fan and my loathing for him grows daily.
Those two top 10 RBs were averaging 3.15 ypc combined.
Wasn’t a good decision regardless, but the run game didn’t make it very convincing.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
yeah but at the same time, it was 2nd and goal from the 4
Surely to God we could have run it in from 4 yards out on 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th down
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Yeah they weren’t having much luck – but, what’s to blame on that?
by boywonderncsu on Sep 12, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
they had 21 carries combined. That isn’t enough for one of the top running teams in the league. For a man who got over 200+ yards on this d last year to get 5 carries is just dumb
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
YPC is YPC… they didn’t do anything when they had he chance to. Stewart ran without purpose and the o-line couldn’t buy a block for D-Will
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id rather run and get 0 yards then throw a duck and turn it over. Ill take 3 points from kasay over 0 from Moore any day of the week
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
That’s a different argument entirely. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who says ’I’d love an INT over 3 points’ but we’re discussing he play calling more than the play itself.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I trust D-Will with 2nd and goal from the 4 more than I trust Moore
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I agree 100% but we’ve seen Fox overrule Davidson in the past, so I guess they were in accord today.
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apparently so...
Which makes me wonder if there’s something secretly wrong with D-Will to make them throw three straight times.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Indeed… maybe he was carrying a small injury and they didn’t want to risk it in a goal line situation.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
if both williams and stewart are nicked up as people are saying then were fucked.
"I’m the UFC Heavyweight Champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Well Goodson did seem on the field a lot in the 2nd half
But after you drove all the way down the field passing the ball, and have 3 downs within 5 yards of the goal… Even taking a shot with Goodson on the ground makes sense.
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or giving it to fiametta, or a QB draw
anything but pass, pass, pass
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
No doubt
If we can’t run in the redzone, then we have absolutely no identity.
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I think Stewart was limited for protection reasons
He was out all camp and pre-season, and it started raining in the 2nd half. I can kinda see why he was limited in this game, but D-Will could have put the ball in the endzone with 3 attempts to get 4 yards.
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3.15 ypc over 3 downs would have gotten us a TD
We only needed 4. It’s another example of the Panthers trying to do the opposite of whats expected and failing miserably.
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And since you brought up 3.15 ypc
Why when we can’t get a yard up the middle does Davidson insist on ONLY running between the tackles? How about a friggin sweep? Stretch their d-line a bit and then take a shot up the gut. It seems these things are obvious to everybody but Davidson.
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a lot of things are obvious to everyone but Davidson
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One of the key characteristics about Moore I had been trumpeting was...
his ability to protect the ball. He did just the opposite today, very careless with the ball. Those 3 INTs he threw in the end zone were obviously key to the ball game. He doesn’t have the resume to think he can continue to start lofting the ball into coverage and being so careless in the red zone. We better see a more precise performance next Sunday or I’ll be calling for the hook soon.
I thought the defense played well enough to win though 31 points is too many. We could have put up 38 points on them if we were efficient in the red zone.
Special teams played well for the most part which is a nice surprise.
Protecting the ball is the one thing we know Clausen can do, for better or for worse. He didn’t really force any passes in the preseason opting to throw it away if he didn’t see what he liked.
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Then come up with better analysis
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And your constant bitching while never saying anything productive wears thing too
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you are bitching at one guys opinion because you do not like it. instead of criticizing his opinion with a nonsensical comment, provide a fact or observation about why you don’t like his fact.
acting like a two year old is not helping the conversation here. We are all upset with the game, but don’t take it out on someone’s opinion.
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The thing is though... JtA is right about Clausen
He does protect the ball well, and throw the ball away rather than make a bad throw, at least based on what we saw in the Pre-Season.
I don’t understand why the comment was received with negativity to start with, it’s not like he said anything that’s incorrect.
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Clause did turn the ball over a couple of times in the preseason. However, I am willing to chalk that up to poor protection from the O-line leading to a forced pass. If Clausen makes the start this week, then I hope he does great.
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Yes, but most of the time he threw the ball away when he didn't have anyone open
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In his defense one of his two picks was the Dexter Jackson slip… the other was 100% on him.
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It's like beating your head against a wall, so many here already have their minds made up
Every Moore related comment from James (and many others) is about benching him in favor of Clausen. But that is not surprising. They have never supported Moore, and had their minds made up already.
A horrible game from Moore today in a 13 point loss is going to overshadow the real problem with the offense — which is play calling and direction. For Team Clausen members, the tired line is going to be pinning the blame on Moore. Moore is gonna take the fall for JD.
As horribly as Moore played today, the worst performance was by our inept OC. Moore – like Delhomme last year – should never be asked to throw the ball 30 times. James has repeatedly pointed to the low ypcarry today, but,like always when the Panthers get behind on the scoreboard, JD went away from the run too early
Hopefully no matter who starts going forward the horrible play calling and use of personnel on offense will improve.
There was poor playcalling, for sure...
But Moore horribly overthrew passes that should have been easy 1st downs and scores. He didn’t audible at the line, and he just looked lost for the majority of the game.
I think that Clausen should get the chance to play next week, especially if Moore has a concussion, but it’s not because I hate Moore.
1. Moore will be a free agent after this season, while Clausen is still under team control, and is cheaper than Moore would be.
2. We have to re-sign Kalil, Beason, D-Will, and eventually J-Stew — all of which are more important than Moore if Clausen is as good as we think he can be.
3. Moore doesn’t read the defense very well, and doesn’t throw the ball away when there’s nothing available. Today, he decided that floating a pass into quadruple coverage on the goal line was a good idea — the Giants thought it was a good idea as well, as they picked him off three times in the end zone.
I speak for myself, but my mind is made up that Clausen should play based on what I’ve seen from Moore thus far, including the Pre-Season.
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I can blame both guys for this, although they are definitely not the only ones to blame. JD’s terrible playcalling was apparent, but so was Moore’s inaccuracy and poor decisions when passing. He tried to force throws that he should have just thrown away.
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Based on what?
Go read about 5 MMO’s from last year when I ripped him a new one on a regular basis
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on the fact that he's mad because he lost his woobie.
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Where I made cogent points about the state of the offense and you (like now) made one sentence, snarky remarks… got it.
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, what is with this animosity towards the guy?
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I blame Davidson for great deal of the downfall of the team
Staring with the AZ playoff debacle through today’s loss.
Wasn’t talking about him. Nobody here is a big fan after today. I’m talkin about your animosity towards James. Don’t get what your deal is.
This site isn’t for getting into flame wars over ones opinion. So what if he loves JD (which I kinda doubt he does). Guy has a right to his opinion, no need to get into an argument over it.
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I don't have any animosity toward James at all.
We just rarely agree on anything, and his predictable rationalizations wear thin, particularly after today’s disappointing performances.
I really hate to see the predictable backlash against Moore by folks who have had their minds made up to begin with.
Many people here were fine with Moore as the starter. Nobody here wanted today’s game to turn into what it became. His performance today was reminiscent of the opener Delhomme played last year.
If we want to have any chance at all of reaching the PO’s we need both reliable playcalling (which yes, isn’t Moore’s job), and reliable decision making on the field which Moore did not do today.
I do not want to force Clausen out there. He is to young IMO to be out there now. But the reality is we may not have a choice. So the best thing we all can do is stop arguing over someone’s opinion, and rally behind this team in the hope they can win next week.
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A trend?
His performance today was reminiscent of the opener Delhomme played last year.
That makes me think the blame needs to go higher than the QB’s.
C’mon, you could have Tom Moore who is the OC for the colts calling plays in that game and Delhomme would have folded over the same way he did with JD.
I am not defending JD, but sometimes the player just cannot execute what he has been told to do on the field.
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I don't know about that
We came out against Philly and AZ(in the playoffs) and ran it down their throats for an early score on our 1st drives. Then totally abandoned the run in favor of letting Jake throw errant strikes downfield. Should have just kept running and not given Jake the opportunity to turn it over.
Today, the rushing was not as good, but the team didn’t stick with it and keep pounding it out. As soon as the scoreboard favored the Giants, JD wigged out and started having Moore throw it 2 out 3 times.. I blame Davidson (or Fox) for these repeated mistakes more than i do the QB’s.
Like I said, blame falls on both. But the QB needs to not make bad decisions on those plays. You can call plays all day, but the fact is that Moore’s lobs in the EZ were picked. Sure we should have run the ball, but Moore is an NFL QB who should have more sense than to throw into quadruple coverage and/or lob it into that kind of coverage.
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Totally agree
I do not want to force Clausen out there. He is to young IMO to be out there now
But if the team follows the knee jerk advice of many, that is exactly what we’re gonna have happen.
You can rest assured they won't do that
They never follow the “knee-jerk advice of many” … seeing Jake throw 8 TD / 18 INT should be proof of that.
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So it's logical when it's Jake, but knee-jerk when it's Moore?
Makes perfect sense…
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This is Moore's one and ONLY performance like this so far in his career.
By week 3 of last season, Jake had made this type of performance a habit.
Surely you can see the difference there!
Sure, it could be moore's first performance like this...
But it’s his 9th start. Not exactly enough to go on to think he just got lucky the first 8 games.
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*didn't just get lucky
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And i would benched Moore in the 4th qtr today too, btw.
However, they never should have been in such a bad position to begin with.
It worked for ATL and Baltimore a couple years ago
It seems to be the trend to role with rookie QBs.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Still think they had better WR’s to throw to though (Smitty excluded in that of course).
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Very true
If this keeps up we might have to activate AE just to see if anythings there.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Foxy: Moore is our QB until further notice
But if the team follows the knee jerk advice of many, that is exactly what we’re gonna have happen.
Foxy’s already said Moore will be out there if he can go. All this discussion is just a mental exercise (in frustration). Personally, I think Moore deserves (at least) another shot.
I have no idea what happened to our running game, but virtually all of our problems the other night stemmed from our inability to get the ground game going.
Thinking back on the game, I probably blame our OL more than anyone. Forgetting his other sins, Davidson made it very easy on the Giant’s DC by being so predictable.
Yeah, Moore played awful, maybe worse than most, but he wasn’t the only one stinking it up on the field and that kind of thing has a way of spreading to even good players once it gets rolling.
Please show where today I advocated benching Moore in favor of Clausen on any permanent basis? I made one comment prior to the injury where I suggested Clausen play out the 4th quarter to light a fire under MM… other than that I’ve said it’s still Moore’s job.
The problem is applied logic. Someone takes it as an affront to apply the same logic to Matt Moore that was applied to Jake Delhomme last year. Moore opened the season today in much the same manor, only difference is Delhomme had 6 years of proven performance, and a probowl to back up keeping him in the picture.
So then we get to Davidson… I love how you say Moore is Davidson’s scapegoat, yet when the offense is doing well it’s because of someone else. We’re running the ball well? That must be Foxy…. We had a good drive today… it’s because of Dwayne Jarrett…. Moore throws an interception, what was DAVIDSON thinking. Jeff Davidson is a pedestrian OC at best, his major fault is a complete inability to deviate from his game plan, if it’s not working then gosh darned it he’s going to beat his head against the wall until it does work.
But, he’s still John Fox’s OC… and was retained for a reason. Notice they fired Crossman for ineptitude but not Davidson… so the organization sees something in him.
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
But the hardcore Jake Delhomme apologists gave him a break for half a year.
Moore has been written off by many before he ever had a chance.
I am not even a particularly a big fan of Moore, but i think he is a serviceble QB that should be able to effectively get the ball to the play makers. But time and time again Davidson’s in game management is horrible - and rather than facilitate success of the offense, the play calling is handicapping the team.
Jake had 6 good years to justify sticking with him
Moore has been the 3rd stringer since he came here.
In 2007, he only played because he was the only option left.
Last year, it took Jake and McCown going on IR for him to see the field, and that was only because the other option was AJ Feeley.
I like Moore, but I really think the coaches know more about him than we do, and he was a career 3rd stringer for a reason.
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And I was one of them...
We’d seen Delhomme go through bad streaks before, but until 2009 he was able to pull himself out, heck 4 of his 12 starts he still had a QB rating over 80… but ultimately he couldn’t pull it back together.
So using this rationale 1/3rd of Delhomme’s starts in 2009 were good despite all the other issues.
The one thing Moore had in his favor, like Jaxon said was that he didn’t look like a QB who would lose you a game, today he lost us a game.
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
All you do is way ‘why didn’t this person do X’ or ‘why hasn’t Y been fired’ then run away when someone wants to discuss it.
Case in point this now… if you disagree with my ‘spin’ or whatever BS you want to call it then what did you see from Clausen in the preseason?
In short, why waste your valuable time commenting about what I’m saying and spend more time trying to come up with your own analysis either for or against what I’m saying. Constructive discussion adds far more in the long run
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Why so heated?
We didn’t lose the SuperBowl
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You didn't get the memo?
Apparantly I work for the Panthers’ PR department now.
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can you get me an autographed ball from Clausen? Thanks James.
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Another Ha!
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Ha!
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+1
It’s not like a Panther QB needs to be Dan Marino, just Kyle Orton like. Hand off throw to an openish reciever that is single covered cause you have to respect the run and double/triple Smitty and throw the ball away when recievers are triple+ covered in the end zone.
Protecting the ball was the thing we said Moore could do
And were excited about that after 8 years of just Jake. So we are still waiting eagerly for a QB who doesn’t throw picks.
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Sad isn't it?
Fact is if those endzone picks were FGs then we’re one lucky ankle tap on D-Will from overtime.
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Or a semi-decent patch in the turf.
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by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm OK with the defense and STs too
I’m tossing blame towards Moore and the offensive play calling. It looks like we only have on running play in our playbook… up the gut. It’s like they are unable to unlock the other pages of run plays unless they can 1st run between the tackles. I don’t get it.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You'll be here all week, right?
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That pass to smitty at the half probably saved Moore
Up to that point it looked like Davidson was going to actually do something in the booth (come down and strangle Moore). I had visions of Rodney Peete/Jake up to that point. I just wonder if Clausen would be able to get that ball to 89. I hate to see the concussion and don’t like the idea of Pickles playing this early with limited reps with 89 but “it is what it is” I guess
Thats the thing though we have yet to see Clausen and Smith on the field together unless you count the 2 and 20 Clausen took over when Moore left the game. I think those two will get a long just fine. Steve Smith is like Golden Tate on Steriods and Red Bull
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Credit where credit is due.
That TD to Smith was a nice throw. Practically the only nice throw of the day that I recall.
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by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Let him learn by actually playing
Rookie Qb’s don’t learn by sitting on the sidelines they learn by actually playing in the game… I think we start Clausen now because he is obviously a better option than Moore. Some of you say well he is just a rookie and he needs time to learn but I think you have to throw him in now to go ahead and let him learn and make those mistakes. Even if Clausen has a bad game next week i think we still start him for the rest of the way. I believe everything happens for a reason and there must be a good reason Clausen fell to us in the second round.
Clausen has always been viewed with somebody with HUGE potential
Moore has been the opposite. For that reason I think stomaching bad games from that kind of rookie QB with, is much easier then watching an UDFA play the way Moore did today.
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Couldnt agree more
It would still make me mad, but watching our future QB struggle is better than watching Moore struggle, with Clausen sitting behind him. That probably makes no sense.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
I understand
Most people seem to think Clausen’s ceiling is much higher than Moore. If he has an equally bad game that won’t change.
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So...pedigree = free pass?
One bad game for Moore, and he’s under the bus (oh, and back up a few times, driver, while he’s still conscious) – but if Clausen has an equally bad game, then c’mon, Golden Boy, learn on the job!
Your bias sickens me. Are you a Panthers fan, or just a Clausen fan?
Here Moore suffers a concussion, because his OL can’t block worth a damn, and I hardly hear a WORD of concern for his health or future. All you (and others) can talk about is how much better Clausen would have/will do.
Moore absorbed hit after hit, until he was throwing up and unable to walk any more. Does he get a bit of your concern? So he threw some very bad passes. He also led a helluva 33 second drill, for a TD, when you people were on the live thread, calling for a kneel down. 4 pass completions, to 3 different receievrs, covering 50 yds, in 33 seconds, to bring us from behind and put us up at half, and you discard him like he’s used toilet paper. He’s our QB, and he stood in there under a vicious pass rush, with porous ‘protection,’ and you “toss him blame.” Why don’t you worry about his health?
by bigdavis on Sep 12, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Geeez. What are you related to the guy or something?
I wasn’t even on the live thread. Thanks for taking a few highly unnecessary jabs at me though. Seems to be the cool thing to do today.
Now that you put it that way, I guess we should give him a pass because he had a concussion.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Your bias sickens me. Are you a Panthers fan, or just a Clausen fan?
One would estimate he’s a Clausen fan because he’s a Panthers fan.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Big D brings up some very good points.
If I’m the OL, I’m paying for Moore’s medical bills. At least.
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by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I only heard very arrogant points
I’m sorry but if he want’s people who disagree with him to take him seriously then he needs to stop assuming things about people’s motives.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the hell is everybody mad at each other on here?
Matt Moore had a Jake Delhomme day, nobody could disagree. I think what people are saying about Clausen playing is, why don’t we start him if we have to sit through a bad QB this year? Moore is gone next year unless he’s a Pro Bowler. Clausen is signed for 4 years and probably our answer for the future. Why should we sit through this kind of play for a QB who probably won’t be here next year, instead of putting Clausen in there and getting some experience.
Look, Matt just played poorly. He made bad decisions, he mad bad throws, he panicked, he didn’t look like an NFL QB whatsoever. I am not quite a Clausen lover, quite the opposite actually, but I think he is better than Moore because he knows how to throw the damn ball away. Moore threw passes that would make Jake Delhomme cringe today. Floating balls into triple coverage MULTIPLE times?
All I heard in the preseason was that Matt Moore shows up when it counts..I’m pretty sure that argument is invalid at this point. Moore showed he has a hard time making routine plays. He constantly let balls sail on him and just basically threw balls up for grabs hoping for the best. While I do hope he will be OK physically, I do not think he should start next week even if he didn’t get hurt. Or do we need to wait until the 12th game to figure out that we need a change at QB again?
by Justin Lail on Sep 12, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you can ruin a QB inexperienced in the NFL by starting him too early
It has been proven time and time again. There was even a thread about it a month or two ago. It can either be by shattering their confidence, ruining their development by throwing them in against players that massively outcompete them (thereby teaching them nothing), or getting them injured to rookie mistakes. I’m all for Clausen in the future but you DO NOT START ROOKIE QBs IF YOU CAN AVOID IT.
I think we're in a different situation...
Most of the time when a rookie is started first game, it’s because the team sucks from top to bottom. We have other pieces in place, and Clausen could benefit from trial by fire.
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The other peices are not in place
Our run game was lackluster, our O-line blew chunks, our secondary blew several coverages, and our DEs didn’t get at the QB all game long. The only reason we were even in the game was the Giants STs suck worse than the 09 panthers. Pinning this loss on Moore’s decision making is ignoring the glaring problems that need to be corrected. There is no QB play in the world that will make me call for their head after one game, not even the 09 opener.
To each his own, I suppose...
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Don't count on Moore coming back next week
Reports say He has been taking to the hospital with concussion symptons nad we all know how strict the League is on concussions he is Mostly likely going to miss next week even if he is fine…
True
He will have to go through several doctors’ analysis before being cleared. Kevln Kolb is in the same boat. Though, Moore looked way more shaken up than Kolb did on his concussion today.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 12, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know how Clausen's toe is doing?
They held him out last week because of it. I’d hate for it to be bothering him if he starts next week.
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oh boy, don’t tell me you don’t have confidence in tony pike?
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I know, the guy is a future franchise QB after, otherwise we would not have kept him…. right?
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Wrong the only reason we kept him is because he is a rookie with SOME potienal but his arm will never allow him to start in the NFL… He is going to be a career backup vet when its all said and done
once again, it was a joke. but I won’t back off the point that a vet who HAS played the game for a few years would be better suited for that #3 spot. We need a mentor for our two FUTURE QB’s. Pike isn’t that answer nor will he see the field for this team.
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I understand
Both i don’t think we have two QB’s fore the future… Even before this game I believe Moore was just a short term thing
Ok, possibly not two, but still don’t you think it would be nice to have say a Marc Bulger like vet mentoring Clausen.
I’m not a coach, and after my opinion means squat to everyone but myself, but I would have liked to have a vet on the sidelines to help mentor both Moore and Clausen throughout the season….
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I believe he can do it with the talent we have Besides steve smith he may have to beable to throw Jarrett and Lafell open
personally I didn’t see anything out of either guy today. I am not a fan of jarrett at all, and I have/had hope that LaFell can break out this year…
then again I also hope to have a high paying job in the future… so hope can be a little bit of a fantasy.
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I understand but for jarrett and lafell to be successful they are going to need an accurate QB that can throw his guys open even if they are covered.. kinda of like what the top qbs do alot of there TD passes are not wide open but the QB made his guy open… whoever our Qb is needs to not be afraid to throw the ball down field in 1 on 1 situations
Never know, Moore could be the 2003 Rodney Pete
Put in the backup and off to the races we go! Of course this analogy only goes so far as it would mean Clausen is Jake Delhomme… But you get the point.
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Actually it means a loss in the SB
And this discussion again in 8 years.
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I really don't care about just making it there
Nobody remembers the loser. We need to win it.
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I remember the losers.
I could even go as far as stating who lost Super Bowl XXXVIII.
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by ThePanthers! on Sep 13, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That's because you're smart
I’m doing good to remember who won the SB last year, or whatever number XXXVIII is
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by southtunnel on Sep 13, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all. I don't wan't to see Pike at all this season.
I just would really like to see a healthy Clausen out there.
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You'll see him soon enough. Good luck with that.
If throwing our of bounds can turn into TD’s. we’re off to the Super Bowl.
Better to throw it out of bounds than to float it into quadruple coverage for an endzone pick
Or … sit in the pocket all day holding the ball like it’s a grenade, only to get pummeled when the pass protection breaks down.
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*grenade with the pin still in it, to clarify
Only person dumb enough to hold on to a grenade with the pin pulled would be davidson, I do believe.
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I guess that's a lot more likely then throwing picks is
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But no, ST - Moore's picks are better than Clausen's throws out of bounds
Remember — Moore earned the job by playing good down the stretch last year, even though we spent our first draft pick (48) on a guy who was supposed to go top-10 in the draft, and we drafted him just to hold a clipboard and say “nice play, Matt” every time Moore makes a good throw — which if today was any indicator, won’t be very often.
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That's what I'm talking about.
You worry about Clausen’s toe. But where’s your concern about Moore’s concussion??
I call BS.
Calm down BigDavis
This is football you know? People get hit and hurt. I’d be talking about Clausen regardless.
No need to “call BS” just because I don’t bow down and agree with you.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we just end the debate now?
and elect Jeff Davidson the worst OC of all time?
by SouthernPanther on Sep 12, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
He's got my vote
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wait until fox leaves and he becomes coach because we have a cheap ass FO and owner.
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Wow. Even I'm not that negative.
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I am afraid though that this is what will happen. Keep the HC in house. There is a very big chance this will happen. And all you will hear is the same old bs accolades of “well jeff has helped our team have one of the best running games in the NFL…. he is qualified…. he can handle the job… blah blah blah…”
I doubt we will spend any money on a decent HC if they are even unwilling to pay Fox.
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Thats what it looks like right now because of the NFL Labor Negociations but once a new CBA Deal is reached He will be willing to spend that money plus our Cap Room should be amazing
I hope so DT. I’d like to be wrong there, but this team has never been one to spend lots of money.
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They spend money on coaches. Just not free agents.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean it makes sense to me that why we are so cheap and YOUNG now… Richardson is looking at the long run of things with such ayoung team two years from now we should have a DARN good team with such young talent.. Its all in the Grand Scheme of things
Yeah. The philosophy is spend your money on keeping all the star players you drafted on your team for as long as possible.
If we can get excellent coaching to go along with our talent, this team will be good for a long time to come.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I am disgusted with this game, in nearly all aspects of this team. Offense, Defense, Special Teams (at times, given), and coaching all were terrible in this game.
Offense: there is really nobody who did their job well on offense today. Steve Smith had the only TD, but this team is going to die a slow death this season because of this FO and Fox’s decision to go with an inexperienced, slow and young WR corps. The running game was also a huge disappointment. Mainly due to the fact the giants knew what we were going to do with our 1 dimensional team. Oh, and Jeff Davidson playcalling = FAIL.
Defense: disappointing as well, especially the secondary. I haven’t seen a worse performance by this secondary in a long while. Manning threw nearly at will. Granted we had 3 INT’s, but at the end of the day, the score was 31-18 in favor of the giants. Secondary was terrible. LB’s all played pretty well. And the D-line didn’t get much pressure on manning at all today. Wasn’t a good game at all.
Special teams: better than usual, but that costly bad snap really hurt us.
Coaching: Is it just me, or does Fox seem like he doesn’t give a damn about what this team does this season. His nonchalant approach to this season had me worried 4 weeks ago, and now it seems even more apparent that he isn’t to interested in this team. Maybe it is just me. Davidson needs to eat a doughnut and go home. Meeks needs to reevaluate that secondary this week. We need a change up in that scheme or something.
Overall, not a good performance at all. I only hope this offense can gain some kind of a decent gameplan, because it isn’t there now. Another thing that has bothered me: why do we not have a veteran QB on the sidelines for our two young QB’s to talk to after a drive, to tell them things they did right and wrong, and to help them out in the game??? Pike is a waste, we need a vet QB to help Moore and Clausen develop.
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Just as an FYI, since I've read this inaccuracy several times now, there is NO mandatory 1 game off for a concussion
NFL Concussion Policy:
The new policy states, in part: “Once removed for the duration of a practice or game, the player should not be considered for return-to-football activities until he is fully asymptotic, both at rest and after exertion, has a normal neurological examination, normal neuropsychological testing, and has been cleared to return by both his team physician(s) and the independent neurological consultant.”
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Yeah
Moore didn’t look so good coming off the field and on the sideline.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 12, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Sniff
For some reason I thought I read that and it said “must sit out one week”
But, I can admit when I was wrong, and I was for giving misinformation.
Thanks for the correction.
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Has Anyone thought?
Maybe the reason why Moore played so well at the END of last year was because of the fact that he wasn’t gameplanned against and most of the teams we played were already in the playoff except for the Giants I think that the fact he was actually gameplanned agianst exposed his flaws. Same thing goes for the DLine in the preseason that could be the reason they didnt rack up any sacks.
I'd say
It’s probably got something to do with it. And maybe he just outplayed what he can really do last year. I’ve got a funny feeling that something similar to the Moore we saw today is the one that would probably stay for the whole season. Not the one that had a 99 QB rating.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Enough about Jake 2.0... What happened to our pass rush???
Only one sack and it was from a LB. Why couldn’t our D-line get to Eli? Did bringing Brayton back throw off our rotation?
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Johnson was sitting over there spinning in circles like a moron
He was god awful all game long
The Giants have an OL build for pass protection. It was their run blocking that was suspect last year.
Eli averaged 251 yards per game last season, and had 263 today. It was par for the course with them.
I would have liked to see Brown get more snaps, he looked like he was making more headway than either starter
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It looked a lot like the Baltimore game to me
We got to Flacco, but at times he had all day. But it sounds like you clearly expect it to be back next week.
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I don't think this game was a good barometer for the pass rush or secondary
I think the Giants are a middle of the road rushing team, but they have a very good receiving corps, a good QB and a really good pass blocking line.
My biggest concern is the run offense. This was a barometer game for them because on paper we should have stomped them. I’m hoping getting Bernadeau off the line and getting Otah back helps that
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Why is there a picture of an apple on a book titled Everyone Poops?
Apples don’t poop, unless my knowledge of what applesauce is was gravely wrong.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Lol! Did a worm poop in somebody's apple?
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If a worm poops in an apple while a mime is clapping with one hand does it make a sound?
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As long as it's not in a forest, yes.
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Those commercials annoy the hell out of me
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
What sound?
The clapping? Or the worm pooping? Because that might depend on how gassy the worm is.
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+1 Great point.
its common knowledge in the NFL that Eli is like Jekyll & Hyde depending on pressure.
The lack of heat on him really set the tone.
IMHO...I feel like this is yet another game in which PLAYCALLING cost us the game
I’m sorry…but Jeff Davidson might be the most predictable OC in the league. On top of that…he seems to completely lose sight of the run game inside the 5 yard line for some reason…this isn’t the first time. On the flip side…are we ever going to learn that rushing three and dropping 8 doesn’t work. How many 2&15+ or 3&15+ did they convert because we played our corners 12 yards off the LOS and let their receivers run free?? I love Ron Meeks…but come on man…enough with the predictable soft soft coverage. And Charles Godfrey was late helping almost EVERY play
by SouthernPanther on Sep 12, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
It is also apparent that Munnerlyn is very short
He shouldn’t be left one on one with a tall receiver
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I dont think so I believe the fact that other teams didnt game plann agianst agianst them is the reason they produced so much not to say they can’t do it but they need some more work… I also think that the belief that the Panthers offense isnt as bad as it was in the preseason and the defense isnt going to be as good as it was in the preseason is true at least for this game
Moore officially has a concussion per Gantt via Twitter.
Panthers QB Matt Moore did make the flight home with the team. Has a concussion, but otherwise fine
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So... to elucidate on the NFL's rule:
It isn’t automatic that he must sit but he must pass a series of tests from both the Panthers’ doctors and an independent doctor before he can be approved to play
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Regardless, Claussen takes snaps with the 1st team this week in practice
This will be as good a time as any to give Claussen a shot without having to bench Moore.
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Exactly
I’ll never say I’m happy someone’s injured… but this is the best scenario to see what he has without killing Moore’s confidence if Clausen doesn’t look ready
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Right, and that sounds like a very Foxish thing to do.
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Yall keep saying stuff about all this testing… It takes time for this to happen by time it does its going to have been a week
Ryan Grant, preseason game
Left after 3 carries, took test from team physician on Monday, neurologist on Tuesday morning and practiced Tuesday night.
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No need to jump off the handle at people who didn't say that.
Just because other people want Clausen to start doesn’t mean they don’t care about Moore’s health.
Oh well thats just mean.
I haven’t read through all of the comments, but has this come up often? Reading the two post right above this one by BigD and aceofsween, I’m guessing others have said this too.
How can you call yourself a Panther Fan when you dont care about the health of our starting QB? Actually forget the starting QB thing, he is a Panther and a concussion is a serious thing. The fact that you can only think about Clausen starting just goes against what all fans should believe, at least in my opinion. I just hope you didn’t check Die-Hard fan in that other poll because this comment alone shows that you are not.
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by ThePanthers! on Sep 13, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my take on why we lost this game.
1) poor decisions by Matt Moore, in trying to force passes to covered receivers. We would have been in the game to win it, had we not given back so many Turnovers our D forced (or was lucky on, with tipped passes)
2) horrible offensive play calling. Moore shouldn’t have been trying to execute pass plays in the first place, when we were continually benefiting from great field position. Davidson still suffers from the delusion that we should throw TD passes, when our obvious strength is the run game. He puts Moore or any of our QB’s in a position to fail.
3) Jarrett should be #2 WR, instead of LaFell. Jarrett catches the big 3rd down passes he sees, whereas LaFell, runs bad routes, and then drops it when it’s thrown to him.
4) Our OL should be ashamed of their pass blocking. All the sacks Moore endured were because of whiffs: 2 on back-to-back misses by Kalil, one by Bernadeau, and the worst by Gross (which he admitted), which probably got his QB injured.
5) horrible secondary play by Godfrey in missing his zone assignments (his 2 INTs were lucky, as they often are for Safeties), and horrible tackling on many plays (not all, but too many) by Marshall and Gamble. Munnerlyn played aggressively, but he, too, was victimized in the EZ. This flaw in our D will continue to be exploited, unless it’s cured.
by bigdavis on Sep 12, 2010 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Excellent points
You are an ace at breaking down film bigdavis, and I don’t want to give a spoiler for the MMO tomorrow… but what was your take on the playing surface?
From what I saw it was a major, major issue when it started raining that compromised the integrity of the game.
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Rain started at the start of the 3rd quarter - we were ahead 9-7 at hte half, thanks to the 0:33 50 yd march by Moore, for the 16-14 go-ahead TD pass to Smith, after the great 46 yd KR by Goodson.
Moore was 7 for 14 in the first half, for 82 yds, 1 TD and 1 INT. He’d made mistakes, some bad throws, but had led the come-from-behind hurry-up drill well.
In the second half, the rain may have had something to do with our poor performance. I saw our CBs slip on more than a few completions. Shoes, maybe? Their first possession of the second half, in the rain, took 12 plays, ending in a FG, putting us behind by only a point. In that drive, they ground it out, converting a 4th down on a questionable spot, and a 3rd and 9, against a 7-man blitz. There were many good tackles on that drive of theirs, notably by Connor (twice) and Martin (twice). At that point, we were still very much in the game.
Then, after a 9-play drive of our own, we had a highlight of our own. #Q, 6:08, 3rd and 8 on our 25, Moore throws a beautiful strike to 89 on a dig route over the middle, for 20 yds and a FD. But a run by 34 loses 1, then 89 drops a pass right in his hands, taking his eyes off the ball looking upfield, and a well-set-up screen for Goodson gets batted won at the line, so we have to punt. After that, the game went to hell, with the ball being turned over back and forth.
Yes, the rain made the new playing surface a mess, to answer your question. I don’t profess to know the intricacies of playing on new artificial surfaces, but this one looked like it – as you said well, ‘compromised the integrity’ of the flow of the game.
I was disappointed in the second half play of Moore near the EZ, but more with the bad play selections. Who are the Panthers, anyway?? Are we not a team who can run in down a D’s throat, at will? I guess not.
There has been an abundance of posts on this thread about wanting Moore out, and Clausen in, but I don’t know that Clausen could’ve done better, what with the bad play-calling, and the worse blocking. What I DO wish is that the fan-base on this blog would have a little more compassion for a guy who played his heart out, in a losing cause, and may now be injured.
We were not expected by anybody to win this game, anyhow. It’s only 0-1. The season’s not over. There were a lot of good things to build on, and bad things to learn from.
Would there be any point in posting a play-by-play? I did it, FWIW.
but I don’t know that Clausen could’ve done better, what with the bad play-calling, and the worse blocking.
Given what he showed in the preseason, he would’ve thrown some balls away instead of into coverage.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
When did LaFell drop a pass?
Also, how do you know if he was running bad routes or not? Either way, I don’t care who the number 2 receiver is.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don't care, then why argue Big Davis' point?
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
'Cause I don't like when people say negative things about a guy when he did nothing.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't broken down game film, but...
To say that LaFell dropped a pass is quite believable. And, considering he’s a rookie, he could have ran the wrong route, so I’ll give Big Davis the benefit of the doubt, since he has actually looked at the game film and I have not (and I’m assuming you’ve not either).
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
He dropped at least one today.
I seem to remember closer to 2-3.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't looked over the game a second time either,
but looking at the box score I can see that Lafell had 8 targets and only 2 catches. One of those 6 had to be a drop.
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by ThePanthers! on Sep 13, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He did drop an easy pass
Turned his head early. Can’t remember what quarter, but it did happen
That was Steve Smith.
LaFell didn’t drop anything that I recall.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You're wrong
Knee jerk reaction - adj. 1. an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive. 2. a facilitator of long threads on Cat Scratch Reader and similar blogs.
And LaFell dropped one and let a catchable ball go through his hands, at least two
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Yeah right.
Moore barely threw any catchable balls to begin with. No way you’re right. I would’ve remembered it.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LaFell did drop one earlier in the game dude. Everybody in the game thread even mentioned it.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not talking about that deep post route are you?
The one Moore looked upset afterwards?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There definitely was a ctachable ball that he should have caught above his head
It was similar to one he dropped in the Pre Season. I think he has a hard time catching above his head.
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well apparently your memory needs refreshing
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I just reviewed the open threads.
No one mentioned anything negative about LaFell except the drop on that pass interference that wasn’t called. I remember the play, it was along the sidelines. Someone else randomly said LaFell had missed on two big plays ‘cause he turned his head, but no one mentioned it at the time, and I don’t remember it, so I don’t know what you folks are talking about.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it was in the 4th quarter, accurate pass and he missed it
It set us up for a long 3rd and 10 that Jarrett brought down
Oh well then he absolutely didn't drop more than one pass
Because no one in the open thread said anything about it….
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
For goodness sakes ...
… you can believe what you want, and I’ll believe what I want. Until someone posts a youtube video, I don’t think he dropped anything.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I did see him drop at least one pass. I can’t say when, but he did drop at least one that was catchable.
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The thing is, me and a lot of people here have historically disagreed on what is catchable. I don’t think a pass that barely grazes someone’s fingertips is catchable, nor do I think one off target going 100 mph is catchable.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're an NFL receiver, and the ball hits you in the hands -- it's catchable
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Unless NFL receivers can alter the laws of physics, no it isn't.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
what are you talking about altering the laws of physics?
If the ball hits you in the hands — you catch it.
It’s pretty simple, actually.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
It depends on the force of the ball ...
… and how much friction a receiver can create with their hands to stop its momentum from the angle the ball intersects the receiver. Not everything that grazes a receiver’s hands is catchable.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what? Fine. I give up.
Arguing with you is exhausting. I’m literally tired from trying to debate this point with you. At this point I would rather be beaten to death with clubs and fed to rabid wolverines than to discuss this with you any longer.
I believe that if a ball hits an NFL receiver in the hands, it should be caught. You don’t. Fine. Whatever.
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A majority of America believes as you do BW.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You really want to let the majority of Americans decide things?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 13, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, usually when it comes to something trivial like football, it's okay to do that
Just because you’re the only guy in the room who feels the way you do, doesn’t necessarily mean you’re right.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Okay, y'alls argument is depressing
Maybe he did drop one maybe he didn’t. If he did, no one would be surprised. If he didn’t it’s not like the Panthers get an extra point or anything. What does it matter? There’s no point getting angry over something trivial. There are more important things than being right or wrong on the internet
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It is in the past. And I think we can ALL agree that LaFell could use a while to get used to the NFL game. He isn’t going to be NFL ready this year.
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I'm not angry.
Sorry if it seems that way.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 12, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We are an angry bunch today aren't we?
Imagine what NYG fans were like last when we played them last year? We’ll all kiss and make up after a win next week.
I hope.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LaFell didn't turn in time for a screen pass in the second or third
Then in the third he let a ball sail thru his hands.
Smitty also pulled a Smitty (something we had hoped he had gotten over) and started to run before catching the ball.
No way you’re right. I would’ve remembered it.
I can only hope that was in jest, because everyone here is at each others throats and it is fricking annoying.
If you are a panthers fan you hope Matt Moore will be OK because he is a Panther. Whether or not you want him to start should be immaterial.
Clausen should get a chance to show what he can do at practice.
Davidson should get a chance to get hit by a bus.
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I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
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by Oi2dwrld on Sep 13, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't even remember any screen passes.
I must be blocking stuff from my memory, or watched a whole other game from you guys. You all keep saying LaFell did this or that, but disagree completely on the type of route and quarter. All I remember LaFell did was catch two balls. He missed one that could’ve been pass interference, and had another come his way on a deep post which was overthrown.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 13, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, obviously you just don't remember
Because several others do….
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Oh, Lafell definitely dropped at least one. I noticed because someone on
here had referred to him as stone hands or something. There was a pass that hit him in the hands, a little high but nothing he needed to jump for, and he just dropped it. It’s there Blade. Not trying to call you out or anything, just offering the facts. Hell, there were so many bad plays, nobody could expect to remember them all.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
You don't recall correctly; that's as nice as I can say it.
Our 5th series, 2Q, 3and6, NY49, pass slightly high to 11 (first time he’d been targeted) – he could’ve caught it, but I won’t call it a “drop.”
7th series, 2Q, 0:33, he caught an 8 yd pass on 1and10, going OOB and stopping the clock – good catch.
8th series, 3Q, 8:40, 2and8, our 13, incomplete (his fault?)
10th series, 3Q, 11:00, 1and10, our 34, dropped pass
He caught some, he dropped some.
next play, another INC – could have been DPI; no call.
2 plays later, 14 yd catch for a FD – good play by 11.
2 plays later, 3Q, 8:58, 3and6, their 29, DPI called on pass to 11.
2 plays later, (the play before the INT in the EZ) 2and goal, their 4, inc to 11
You're wasting your time Big D ... LaFell doesn't drop anything
Those that he didn’t catch are because he can’t “defy the laws of physics”, not because he just has stone hands…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Well, I wish I had video, 'cause I don't remember it.
I do know for sure one of those had to have been that deep post that was way off target. I didn’t read anything like, “There’s no way he could’ve caught it”, so I have a hard time believing those you said he could’ve caught were actually catchable. You folks have zero credibility with me as far as gauging what is catchable and what is not. I’ve seen people on here go off on receivers for not catching passes that barely graze fingertips, or ones that were overthrown by multiple yards, or ones tipped away by defenders, etc. It’s ridiculous, and I have to see it for myself to say one way or another.
It doesn’t matter much either way I guess though. If he got targeted that many times, he was obviously getting open more than Jarrett, who was only targeted 3 times I believe. However, Jarrett can catch better. We all knew that already anyway.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Sep 13, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, we have zero credibility with you....
If you don’t trust any of us, then why the hell are you here? To discuss football? But why waste your time discussing with us if we have no credibility with you, the almighty barometer of what a catchable ball is.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Jarret was targeted less....
for more yards and receptions.
DJ should have been, and hopefully will be in the future, starting at the #2 WR.
LaFell is not ready. We’d be better off with AE out there than LaFell at this point.
Jarrett wasn't on the field much, we don't run 3 WR sets very often
Thats why we only saw him in the 2nd half
We ran a ton of them, actually, and a lot of 4WR sets, too, with Rosario as the 4th..
If I could stop myself from posting on all these other threads, I’d do a play-by-play, focusing on our O and D sets.
He had another catchable, high pass that went through his hands like they were jelly fish
I gotta agree with BigD about Jarrett. He might not be a solid #2 receiver, but he’s the 2nd best option we have right now.
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But Big D! Where do you stand now on Moore?
You were one of his biggest advocates. And I was right there with you. But we’ve seen this story too many times with Jake. It’s really hard to support the guy after this.
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I'm very interested to see his take on Moore too.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I was too, but forget it now
He ripped me for even talking about Clausen. Apparently due to Moore’s concussion the subject is off limits.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I did see a post where he acknowledged Moore played awful.
That’s about it.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Sep 12, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He had one post
The rest were all replies to me. Of course I was far from the only one that said they’d like to see Clausen. So clearly BigD has some sort of vendetta against me. Maybe I ticked him off in the past or something.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you didn't, ST.
I just thought you were crowing too loud about your love for Clausen, and ignoring the fact that our 1st string QB may be hurt bad.
I put it in words on a few earlier posts on this thread.
I may expand on it tomorrow. Right now, I’m mainly upset that he may be hurt bad, and all I hear here is C’mon, Clausen.
He flew back to Charlotte
If he was that hurt, they would have kept him overnight in NY/NJ for observation, at least I would think so…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Don't take this the wrong way but...
You are emotionally attached to Moore. I believe that is why the topic of his performance, and injury, seem to be a sensitive subject. The criticism comes with the job and quite frankly while the criticism can be spread around to the entire offensive unit, ultimately it comes down to Moore to make the decision when, how and to whom he should throw the ball.
He simply did not deliver. I want to see what Clausen can do, not because I want Moore to be benched but because I want the best Panthers team on the field. If Clausen can show us he can do better than Moore, he should start. End of story.
No, he is upset that we have Eagles fans rooting for the Panthers
If one bad performance was enough to decide a player’s future, Steve Smith would have been shown the door when he boggled two punts.
My questions about Moore started long before this game did.
I’ve been fairly consistent in my views on Moore throughout the entire preseason. He did well last year for us, deserved the start, but has not shown anything this season that has impressed me.
I was disappointed when he threw the floaters in the EZ.
But I’m not throwing him under the bus, after only 1 bad game on his part.
He did have several very good throws, too, and led the one TD drive.
My inclination is to support him, hoping he can play vs the Bucs, and recover his confidence. I don’t feel Clausen will be well served by being thrown in the fire this soon in his career. He’ll be running for his life on every passing down, too. Our OL is the one should be getting the blame, not Moore.
I will agree with your last sentence, to a degree...
The OL was terrible in protection, but Moore shouldn’t have floated those balls into multiple coverage in the end zone. But — there’s not much he could have done on some of those plays when the OL didn’t give him any time to work.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Well now there's a rumor out
That the concussion may have happened earlier in the game and impaired his judgement. Not sure if there’s anything to it yet.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 13, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, everyone is so angry.
The Panthers lost against a decent team on the road in the rain without Double Trouble and a broken quarterback. But now Jimmy Clausen can come in and win the superbowl and everyone will be happy. And if he doesn’t then that’s too bad because it will be the last Super Bowl ever, what with next year being locked out and then 2012
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?
they had both J-Stew and D-Will, Moore wasn’t “broken” till the end of the 4th quarter. People are upset with God awful playcalling. And quite frankly the giants would have been destroyed by a better team like the patriots.
not sure what you are going after there.
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People are upset the Panthers didn’t live up to their unrealistic expectations, so they take out their unjustified anger out on the team they supposedly cheer for.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually they lived up to my expectations ;)
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I’m talking about the people who are freaking, like all those fanposts you see with poor grammar and sentence structure.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Your comment on grammar was very unnecessary. It seems that you just implied that every fan who was optimistic about this year doesn’t know how to speak or write English correctly. I might have read it wrong but that is how it sounded to me.
There was one fan post, that I remember, that seemed to have outstanding grammar issues and that one was ripped apart in the comment section but besides that I have no idea what you’re talking about.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
by ThePanthers! on Sep 13, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you heathen! your expectations should be 300+ yards passing with 3 TD’s from our QB! how can you say such a thing ST?
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I'm labeled the pessimist, so I'm just rolling with it
Especially since after today’s egg it means I’m correct about a couple things. Of course I also was advocating Moore this off season… But let’s not talk about that.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I too loved Moore to death all offseason
not here necessarily but in general I liked him and hated Clausen. What a difference this game made.
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Well I never hated Clausen
Bringing him in here really made things interesting. Boy I’m glad he fell to us. Otherwise we’d be starting Pike? Ughh.
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by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore was broken,
just not physically. And then they did break him that way too. He was like Jake broken. And really above all else, I’m trying to lighten the mood here because everyone is angry. Don’t people have baseball teams to fall back on or something?
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Oh yeah. I figured this season could go either way, so I comforted myself with the knowledge that the Pens will be scary good.
Martin and Michalek 4tw.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Red Wings and Montreal fans are much worse than either of those, I can assure you.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I say Bruins fan,
because the Canes played them in the playoffs before they got swept by the Pens. And the Boston fans would not quit talking about how the southern goober hockey fans did not deserve a hockey team. It was so satisfying to beat them.
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That’s easy to combat. Just tell them you’ve actually won a Stanley Cup in the last thirty years.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ya but then
the Red Sox and Pats and Celtics have won recently and oh dear I do not enjoy Boston sport fan. Don’t know why I’m considering grad school up there
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boston fans are easily the worst
i hate basically all boston-based sports team
As a Boston fan who grew up down south
The South will Rise again rednecks who would beat the shit out of you for wearing a Celtics hat are the worst.
Then johnny come lately saints fans.
Dallas fans.
Yankees fans.
Then maybe MAYBE Massholes.
But red necks do suck.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
ew, pens. nah a Hurricanes fan. thing that sucks though is that the Panthers and Hurricanes always mirror each other during the season. Hope both teams do well… at least I hope the Panthers clean up this mess they are in.
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Panthers are in full rebuild mode, so I doubt they go anywhere this year.
What I noticed more was the similarities between the Panthers and Hurricanes season. Ungodly awful for most of the season, but then ridiculously excellent toward the end of the season.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The Carlina Panthers in that second example.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't laugh but the Bobcats will be here soon enough
They are the local playoff contender these days. Release your Panther frustration by supporting them… They need it!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Also next year,
there might be a UFL team in Raleigh and that’s where a lot of football players may go if there is a lockout so…
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There are still a lot of people who are pissed Charlotte has the Bobcats
The City went against the will of the voters by building the stadium. Johnson didn’t have to pay rent, and the city paid for the police force at the stadium (this is something teams usually have to do on their own). The ugly ass colors, and naming the team after himself didn’t endear Bob or the Cats to many in the city either.
But what the hell “Mikecats in ’11”
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
We aren't pissed we have the Bobcats.
We’re pissed they used our money to pay for it. We are pissed they are shit. We are pissed that they are called the Bobcats (only because of the original owner thought it’d be cute as Bob’s Cats).
If we'd support them and create a buzz like we did with the Hornets
Then they would bring money to this city. Avoiding progress just because you have to cut expenses elsewhere is not productive in the long run. I’m all for more public transit too.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 13, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The Hornets were hated because of a terrible owner
Thank god for JR
1. The Giants suck in my opinion
2. We did have doubletrouble
3.We dont expect Jimmy clausen to win a superbowl
4. The world is not going to end in 2012 trust me
The 2012 part was a joke.
My post was trying to lighten the mood slightly. But watching the game, I saw Double Trouble but I didn’t see them. They weren’t actually there. And the Giants aren’t horrible.
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I saw Goodson
The Double Trouble era is over! (I’m continuing your sarcasm btw) Bring on… thinking… “Aint we lucky we got em… Goodson-times”!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
As long as James doesn't die.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Anyone else see that KFC heart attack sandwich?
mmmm looks so good! Baconator rival right there
that KFC sandwich is just terrible
a great place that i haven’t been to but really want to go to: The Heart Attack Grill in Arizona
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/
its basically hooters but with fatter food and with a doctor theme
just to give you an idea of their food, if you’re over 350lbs you eat anything for free
http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't trying to say anything
I’m a husky chap myself, but I appreciate the gross concoctions of that website.
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
i just gained 15 lbs looking at that website
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Of course...
“Pork Orgy” was my favorite…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Oh wow...
Dallas 4 secs in the 2nd half, fumbles for a Redskins touchdown.
Thats why you take the knee
Yeah. You wanna talk about bad coaching, Dallas is the place to start.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 12, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, so what's with the infatuation of running between the tackles?
We’ve seen this over and over again since Fox has been here. It’s beautiful when we can create holes. But when we do it over and over again and nothings there… Why keep doing it??? Why would things all the sudden open up?
Why can’t we bounce it outside, throw a couple sweeps and then go back to it? Wouldn’t this stretch their D-line and make it easier to create DeAngelo sized holes?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
You would think an end around to Smitty would have been called...
Or a sweep with Goodson, or something.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
It seems like the playcalling is generally one of two plays:
Run up the middle or 15+ yard passes.
No dinks and dumps. Very few getting the ball to weapons in space.
We are vanilla
Not to send Fox packing yet, but if he does go, an offensive minded coach would be a nice change of pace.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 12, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So how many Sweet Waters did everybody drink today to take the sting off this game?
I’m sure James handled a six-pack himself. Although I got to admit that blueberry after taste gets old after a few.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Just 3 for me… I have a strict 3 beer minimum during the game so I can still take cogent notes.
Now AFTER the game the other 3 went down without a fight
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by James Dator on Sep 12, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I had downed a 6 pack
maybe then we would have looked tolerable… Kinda like the fat chick at the end of the bar.
3 beer minimum James?
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
LOL… i meant max..
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by James Dator on Sep 13, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
People seem so angry...
Why are people arguing so bad today? We need to just calm down and move forward. Moore played bad, the secondary played bad, it was just a bad day. But can we please stop the whole Chicken Little crap with the sky falling? You know what our record is? 0-1. Not out of playoff contention yet. Let’s just give it time and see how the next few weeks play out.
Should Matt Moore be a starter? No probably not. He just doesn’t have it IMO. He is a serviceable backup, but no more. Clausen is our future, so if we have to watch a QB struggle this year, I would rather it be him. That experience could be valuable next year.
But back to my original point….please stop being so hostile at each other. It will accomplish absolutely nothing. This is supposed to be fun, remember that.
Moore's time as a starting QB may be over
If his concussion keeps him out against TB, Clausen won’t give up the job if he gets the start. I would start Clausen even if Moore was not concussed (is that a word?) He has the pocket presence, knows when to throw it away, and can scramble better if he needs to. He will make rookie mistakes but imo is better than Sanchez last year and we can win with him. With Moore, it’s one thing to win late in the season when other teams aren’t interested in winning as they get ready for the playoffs, it’s another to be #1 in real games. Clausen has the IT factor. Let’s not fool around and ruin the season. If you’re going to start a rookie QB, TB at home is the perfect place to do it.
Eh...
If Clausen starts, let’s see what he can do first before anointing him.
And yes, concussed is a word: to injure by concussion.
Let's talk about that.
I grant you that Clausen has shown that he can throw it away. He showed that numerous times in the pre-season, probably as often as would constitute a majority of the times passed. And again last night, in his 2 plays, he showed that ability.
But that talent doesn’t gain a single yard, doesn’t complete a pass which can produce YAC. Its only benefit is that it avoids negative yds from taking a sack.
So I don’t think that alone makes an elite QB. It only defines a scrambler who can’t find an open receiver.
Your second point (“can scramble better if he needs to”) I question. By ‘better,’ do you mean better than Moore? Moore had two scrambling runs in the 1st half (the first offensive play, in which he gained 7 yds; and Q@, 13:45, 3and2, their 47, in which he picked up 8, and a FD.) Not exactly lead-footed, or statuesque. It’s unknown whether Clausen would’ve achieved the same results, but Moore did.
It’s just as hypothetical whether Clausen could’ve escaped ANY of the sacks Moore is “credited with.” (Funny how those always go on the QB, when it’s almost always the fault of his blockers which cause them.) I’d say that Clausen, with all his nimbleness, might’ve gone down on every one of them, too, since all occurred quickly (1 1/2-2 seconds), and without the blocking any QB needs and assumes he’ll be getting.) There were other plays, in addition to the 2 + runs I mentioned, in which Moore had to run to avoid more sacks, or stood in the pocket under pressure, got knocked down hard, and still got the pass off – some OOB just to avoid taking a sack, others that were completed.
Some of you are saying (I hear you, don’t think I don’t ;) “C’mon Davis, give it up. We know he’s your boy; quit making excuses for him.”
I’ve said he made bad mistakes in not seeing multiple defenders, and those INTs were on him. It’s another topic as to why he was throwing them in the first place, as the game situations called for runs, IMO. But he gets a bad rap from all of you who are just dying to see Clausen as our QB, and taking sacks is not his fault. They’re on the OL, and they’re responsible for his having a concussion, and maybe having his career shortened in the process.
Be careful what you wish for. If Clausen starts vs TB, I fervently hope he does well, and will pull for him to be successful, because he’s a Panther. I just wish more of you had done the same for Moore, instead of being so smug and self-satisfied when he had a bad game, and got beat up in the bargain.
by bigdavis on Sep 13, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"I just wish more of you had done the same for Moore, instead of being so smug and self-satisfied when he had a bad game, and got beat up in the bargain."
I hope this is not true.
Note to Matt Moore: Get well soon, Matt. You gave it all you had, and the loss isn't on you!
You threw good balls and bad balls
Misfires and true balls
Wobblers and blue balls
Floating, distraught balls
Dropped balls and caught balls.
You did you’re job
against an unblocked mob.
So get healthy, and come back when you can
But you’ll still be given a bad gameplan
Who starts next week, I don’t give a f**k
As long as we beat the 1 and 0 bucs.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Very litle mention of the roster spot wasted on a KOS
Forget touchbacks – most were barely crossing the 20!
Rain? New turf?
by panthersnbraves on Sep 13, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Todd Carter only played on kickoff... that's why it wasn't mentioned
He had back issues that kept him out yesterday. Baker and Kasay were kicking off.
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Im tired
of people saying that it may not be a good idea to put clausen in so early? I mean how else is he going to become a better QB because it sure has hell isn’t sitting on the sideline watching moore throw ducks all over the place. I think we start him now and don’t look back even if he has a bad year. I would rather him go head and make them mistakes Now and get it out of the way than for him take make them a year or two down the rode because he hasn’t got any playing time
I believe
that Clausen can learn a lot by watching and absorbing, just sitting behind Moore, at least for now.
As it is, our OL is just for show at this point. They don’t create any holes for the running game (admittedly against stacked lines) and can’t pass block to save their lives. Not sure that putting a rookie in is the best idea under the circumstances. I think, this should improve once we have more game tape on our opponents. This would also aid in Clausen’s development.
We just miss them actually playing well. This is the third year in a row the line has started off awful, regardless of personnel.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 13, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
DLINE
anybody agree that maybe we shoulda kept tank tyler?
No, Leonard and Johnson were okay in the middle, I thought. Johnson in particular made at
least one great play. The problem was the DEs not getting to Eli fast enough. Solution: Insert Greg Hardy on one side (definite). Try Norwood on the other.
But it might not have helped yesterday. Eli was sharp, and if his receivers hadn’t dropped/tipped so many catchable balls, his numbers would have been fantastic. The Giants, and particularly Eli seem to start seasons very well lately, then lose it at the end. The Panthers tend to start slow and finish strong. Unfortunately, we played them early. Point being: No need to panic or 2nd guess too much yet.
Except for Godfrey, my one and only scapegoat. I want Pugh.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
yes on hardy
i def agree that hardy has earned more PT…hell i’d even push that he start. however i’m not quite sure the panthers or norwood really know where to put him just yet, i’d rather see brown or johnson or brayton on the other side of hardy
As I saw it, the DC experimented too much with DEs shifting.
They had Brayton playing RDE, instead of his normal LDE spot. And worse, Charles Johnson, who we all know is a LDE, too, was put out at RDE a couple times. This led to that 29 yd sweep in the 3rd quarter, when Johnson couldn’t seal the edge and make the tackle at the LOS. Seeing him there was probably why the Giants called the play. No way they turn the corner if Hardy was out there. Hardy has shown the aptitude to play either side, but to me, Brayton and Johnson belong on the L, and Brown on the right.
You’re also right about the tips Eli suffered, from his WRs. Godfrey would’ve been a genuine goat, had he not been well positioned to have those 2 INTs float right into his hands.
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