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What to Watch for, and Roster Thoughts for Thursday Night's Game

Well fans, tis’ the season for roster cuts!  This past Tuesday, the Panthers trimmed, clipped, and filed down their roster to 75 players, as mandated by the NFL.  Though only 5 players were moved to make this happen, the Panthers must cut 22 more players by Saturday, September the 4th.  The Panthers last preseason game is Thursday night versus the Steelers, and since the starters will likely only see a drive or so of action, the backups will get their chances to shine and make their case to claim a roster spot on this team.  That being said, here are my thoughts on the roster, which positions have the most intriguing competition for roster spots, and what I’ll be looking for during the game…

 

Quarterbacks:

Matt Moore and Jimmy Clausen have seen the bulk of preseason action and are presumably number 1 and 2 on the QB depth chart, respectively.  Backups Hunter Cantwell and especially Tony Pike have had few chances to play, and this game, so they will likely see plenty of time.  So far, Hunter Cantwell seemingly has the lead for the backup job, and Tony Pike will have to make a pretty convincing case to beat Cantwell and be the number three QB.  Though it seems like Tony Pike is on the fringes and on the outs, fans seem to be uncomfortable with putting on the practice squad, because of the likelihood that he gets picked up by another team.  Most fans, it seems, would rather put Cantwell on the PS and keep Pike for that very reason.  Some have even contemplated cutting both and using Armanti Edwards as the reserve QB.

In my opinion, I think Cantwell has the number three job as it stands now, and unless Tony Pike lights up the field, he will most likely be put on the PS.  It is tough to speculate as to whether Pike or Cantwell would be picked up if put on the PS, but the Panthers coaches seem more comfortable with Cantwell under center than Pike.  Case in point is the snap distribution, as Cantwell has thrown the ball 17 times, whereas Pike has only thrown ONCE! In the end, I think the Panthers will keep the QB who they feel most comfortable with, the one that gives them the best chance to win, (if Moore or Clausen went down…god forbid) and that’s most likely Cantwell.  Do the Panthers take into consideration who will get picked up on the PS if placed there?  Probably.  However, I don’t think it is enough to sway their decision.  Therefore, I think Tony Pike has to have a pretty darn convincing case Thursday night to stay on this team or Cantwell has stink, otherwise the job is probably Cantwell’s.  And as for the Panthers cutting both and using Edwards as reserve QB, I personally think it would be a smart way to save a roster spot, however the Panthers prefer pocket passers.  Although Clausen may see significant time, look at Cantwell and more so at Pike’s performance (being that the job is Cantwell’s to lose) to determine who is the third QB…

Running Backs:

Not much needs to be said here, as Williams and Stewart are locks to make the team.  Additionally, Sutton proved his worth in his few carries last year, and Goodson made his case against the Titans with a kick return for TD and some impressive running.  Although Josh Vaughan has been impressive, he’s headed for the PS, simply because there is no room for him.   Goodbye Dantrell Savage.  Should be interesting to see Goodson make a bigger case for himself and Vaughan make a case for PS…

Wide Receiver:

As I see it, Smith, Jarrett, LaFell, and Edwards are locks to be on this team.  Smitty is a pro bowler, although Jarrett is spurned by many fans he is better than many of the Panthers other options, LaFell has shown promise, and Edwards has too much potential to let go.  While the Panthers have kept as little as four WRs and as many as six or so, the Panthers will likely go with either 5 or 6.  Personally, I think they’ll go with six, simply because they will probably utilize more 3 and 4 WR sets this year with Matt Moore.  Although Wallace Wright had the 5th WR spot, his injury leaves his spot open.  So that leaves one or two spots open. 

Here is where I think is the most competition for roster spots.  The candidates are Kenny Moore, Charly Martin, Trent Guy, and David Gettis.  Kenny Moore, the local product and fan favorite to make it, has so far demonstrated little with the many drops he has had.  Although he looked good initially at camp, he hit a plateau, and his stock has dropped ever since.  Charly Martin has just recovered from a broken finger, and will get plenty of time at WR and on special teams.  Trent Guy, who also just recovered from a hamstring injury, showed some promise as a speedy PR and WR in the last game.  Gettis, who is 6-3 and runs a 4.39 40, caught 3 in the last game and looks very promising. 

So what does it come down to?  In my opinion, Kenny Moore has been given his chance this year and last, and unless he really shines, won’t make the cut.  Guy, although very speedy and quick, hasn’t impressed enough to claim a roster spot over the others.  To me, it really comes down to either Martin or Gettis.  Gettis is super fast and has size, and if he has a solid game will make a case for this spot, although I give the edge to Martin if he looks just as solid.  Martin has to get the edge in my opinion because of his ST potential, and with Wright out, he may be stepping into Wright’s role.  All in all though, whoever has the better game between Moore, Martin, Gettis, and Guy might take the last one or two roster spots.  It’s all up to them, so keep an eye out for this position…

Offensive Line:

CJ Davis, Duke Robinson, and Garry Williams will most likely be the OL backups.  So it looks like Rob Pettiti, Andrew Crummey, Ray Histaake, and Tim Duckworth will probably be on the outs.  Not sure if there will be much to watch for here.

Tight Ends:

The Panthers love their trio in King, Rosario, and Barnidge. Nuff said.  Buh-bye Jamie Petrowski!

Defensive Ends:

The only way Brown, Brayton, Johnson, and Hardy don’t make the roster is if one gets put on the IR, and it doesn’t look like that’ll happen.  With a preseason leading 18 sacks, they’ve all shown enough promise that it looks like we have FOUR Peppers.  With Hilee Taylor now on the IR, Eric Moore is the only player in question.  He’s the fifth man, and on the fringes although he has played lights out in all three games so far.  If he has another sack or a solid game, I think it would be tough for the Panthers to let him walk or put him on the PS.  Even if he doesn’t do spectacularly, he’ll probably still be on the team.  Watch for DE’s to continue to get after ‘em and for Moore to keep making a case for himself in this game…

Defensive Tackles:

Although we don’t have any returning starters from last year, Tank Tyler, Louis Leonard, and Ed Johnson have looked solid-enough to claim spots here.  Newcomer Derek Landri has also seen significant time with the ones, and will also make the team.  That’s four that’ll most likely make the team.  Nick Hayden, Corvey Irvin, and Andre Neblett haven’t shown much and are the odd men out.  With Charles Johnson and Brayton able to play inside, it is also not looking good for these guys.  Unless one of them becomes Albert Hayneworth in this game, some will probably be shown the door out to the streets or and some will be shown the door to the PS…

Linebackers:

Beason, Connor, and Anderson start, and Norwood and Jamar Williams will probably be kept as backups.  That leaves Mortty Ivy, Quinton Culberson, Jordan Senn, and Sean Ware fighting for one or two backup spots.  With this group of unknowns, I really can’t say who I think has the edge because I haven’t seen much.  So it should be interesting to see if any LBs make a name for themselves.  It may come down to versatility and who can play any LB  spot, or ST contribution, or talent and promise, or whoever has the biggest contributions thus far, I really don’t know.  Unless these linebackers either have a great or terrible night, the fighting for roster spots here shouldn’t be too glamorous…

Defensive Backs:

Gamble and Marshall start at CB, and Munnerlyn is presumably the nickel back here again.  The competition behind these CBs should be interesting.  Brian Witherspoon had two picks and a solid ST contribution last game, and the rookies RJ Stanford and Robert McClain have been impressive.  Fourth year player CJ Wilson also has a good amount of experience and seems to have the inside track on the fourth CB.  In my opinion, Brian Witherspoon has done more to make a case for himself (with 7 tackles, 3 passes defensed, and 2 interceptions) than CJ Wilson (3 tackles, 1 pass defensed), although the Panthers seem to always be high on Wilson.  I expect for either Witherpsoon and/or Wilson to make it, and possibly one of the rookies.  Look for big plays (positive or negative) from these guys, because it may have a big impact on who makes it and who doesn’t.  The 4th and 5th CB spots look up in the air at this point, and the competition for these spots should be interesting, so keep an eye out!

As for the Safeties, Godfrey and Martin are locks, so the competition is between rookie Jordan Pugh, Marcus Hudson, and Aaron Francisco.  Jordan Pugh gained a vote of confidence as he was named the starter for the Jets game.  Hudson, has been valuable as a ST-er and as the “Joker” (Meeks’ S/LB hybrid which Dante Wesley manned so aptly last year) so he’ll probably be kept.  Francisco has been injured most of camp and preseason, so he’ll most likely be shown the door. Not too much to watch here, the depth chart is pretty much set…

The Kicking Game:

Kickoff specialist Todd Carter, aka “that Smoothie guy,” will be extra interesting to watch for in this game.  If he boots every ball into the end zone, he’ll surely have a roster spot.  And if he only can kick them to the 20 yard line, he’ll probably still get a roster spot because the Panthers don’t want to burn out Kasay or Baker’s leg, and apparently have tried all of the potential kickoff specialists and Carter was the cream of the crop…

Bottom Line:

Watch the WRs and CBs, those seem to be the places where there are open roster spots and lots of competition...

Poll
If the Panthers could keep one WR out of this bunch, which one do you think the Panthers would choose to keep?
Kenny Moore
13 votes
Charly Martin
8 votes
Trent Guy
7 votes
David Gettis
56 votes

84 votes | Poll has closed

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Interesting...

That everyone has voted for Guy, Martin, and Gettis, but none for K Moore. Has everyone soured on Kenny Moore?? What’s ya’lls perception of him??

by jkp1516 on Sep 1, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I would prefer Moore just for this season...

but if I look at it long term I like Gettis. He looked good against the Titans

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Sep 1, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inconsistent

We don’t throw three 10 yard pass plays often, we look for a completion on 3rd and 5. K Moore has way too many drops to get my vote of confidence in those situations.

Flashes of greatness are nice, but the dice game is not suitable for our playstyle.

by ppalm on Sep 2, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

And since Gettis is garnering the most votes...

Why does everyone prefer Gettis in this group??

by jkp1516 on Sep 1, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

he's got good size and speed...

looked to be running some crisp routes. believe he’s dropped one or two but he is a rookie. He has the same build as Jarrett and Lafell, so it gives us a third shot at finding that elusive Moose v2.

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by John Chilton on Sep 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not enough.

You don’t keep people on your team because the might develop. You keep the ones you know will. To that end, Gettis I believe will make the practice squad. One game is not enough to keep him ahead of the pack.

by aceofsween on Sep 2, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

What else are you going to do?

nobody knows which of these guys will develop. Out of Gettis, Guy, Moore, and Martin only one will make it can you guarantee a lock out of that group? And its not just one game, he has the 2nd best numbers of any receiver on the team this preseason.

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by John Chilton on Sep 2, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

(actually hopefully two of them will make it)

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by John Chilton on Sep 2, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're asking us to pick one

At this point is Kenny Moore ever going to be more than he is right now? I was such a big proponent of his last season, but I haven’t really seen any development out of him.

Gettis on the other hand is a raw talent, but already I’m seeing him being just a slight step behind Moore and he has made major strides in the three preseason games.

The organization has their finger on the pulse far better than any of us ever could. They have guys devoted to watching what happens in the league and report whether they think a guy will clear waivers. If they’re confident Gettis can make it to the PS, then I’m all for it… but if there is a chance he could get taken I would rather keep him over Moore to develop.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Sep 2, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you on Gettis.

Hope we don’t lose him. Gets open, takes a hit, and hangs on to it. What’s not to like about those attributes.

by bigdavis on Sep 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

OH!

by STEVEN 785 on Sep 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got my rec, Pops

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Sep 2, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post

if i knew how to rec (help me) then i would. its like u looked into my mind and said everything that it would agree with.

I voted k moore. i think gettis will win the job but i hope its moore. hes got the ability. i think its just a mental thing.

by pantherpride on Sep 1, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

its right next to the buttons that say email, print, and flag

in a thin gray rectangular box below an ad and above the comments section

by vitzeng on Sep 2, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to Rec a particular post (which is far better than just saying +!)...

…just click on (next to , and you can then choose between Rec and Flag.

by bigdavis on Sep 2, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wide Receviers: I disagree.

For the most part, we had 6 WRs pretty much locked up: Smitty, Wright, Armanti, Moore, Jarret and LaFell. Ignoring Smitty for obvious reasons, all but Armanti started a game, and let’s face it, Armanti is not going to be cut. The real question then was whether or not Jarret was going to stay or Moore was. With Wright’s injury, I don’t see how that has changed any. If they decide to keep 5, then we have those 5. If they do keep 6, I believe Trent Guy gets it for is KR specialties.

People say that Wright “saved” us a roster spot by being able to fill the role of both PR and WR. But that’s not really true. It could be said we had 5 WRs and 1 PR, and now we still need a PR. To that end, if they decide to keep 6 such players, (5 WRs and 1 KR) then I believe it goes to Martin or Guy as both of those guys can fill that positional gap. I still don’t think that’s likely.

Fox had this to say on KRs after the Jets game:

I think Captain Munnerlyn probably came out of that bunch probably the best. He got hurt in the game, so he wasn’t able to do it again. We’ll re-evaluate that as we go.

I honestly don’t remember if he had any punt returns against the Titans or not.

I realize this is all based on the premise of having 6 rosters spots for the above mentioned, but if only 5 were open, then it comes down to a clear question between Jarret or Moore and I’m honestly not sure how to answer that one.

by aceofsween on Sep 2, 2010 3:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Moore

I have Moore drop too many passes for my liking. I don’t think he provides us what we need. It seems tougher for DJ to get open but when the balls comes to him he catches it.

by Deuceklinco on Sep 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roster Trimming

I have to take issue to what the Panthers will do at QB. While your analysis is fair, the Panthers will consider more a QBs upside at the number 3 spot rather than who gives them a chance at winning. It’s highly doubtful that the number 3 QB will see playing time, even though it has happened twice in 3 years with the Panthers (Jake was a large part of that). I am a little biased becase I have not liked what I have seen out of Cantwell and I haven’t seen Pike yet. Also, I’m not sure what fans are suggesting keeping AE at the number 3 spot to save a roster spot but unless I’m missing something, there is no way the Panthers will do this. If this were the case then AE would be learning the PR, WR, and the QB positions. He can barely handle what he has now.

Great analysis of the WRs as most would call this race too close. I agree right now, Moore is out. I personally want Guy to make it after watching what he could/might do on PR. He had some problems with judging them but he has some return ability. However, on the Panthers, most no starters have to be able to play 2 roles and not just one. This being said, I’m not sure Guy can play another role outside of his PR and he is having this nagging hamstring injury. Maybe he goes on the PUP list and we take a look at him after week 6 (5 games) to determine what we do with him. Also, I really liked what I saw out of Gettis against the Titans. I really want to see more of what he has tonight. I have to be fair with Martin as I have not seen much of him due to injury. Tonight he should be able to showcase what he has.

On the OL, you forgot about Schwartz I think. Are you predicting MacBern makes it at RG? I have not been impressed with MacBern so far and would like to see Schwartz get some time there to showcase what he’s got.

I’ll group the DL together. From most reports we’ll keep 9 in this group and 8 are locks (I’m including landri). It comes down to Moore, Irvin, Hayden. I think this is still too close to call.

On the CBs, I think McClain makes it and either Wilson or Witherspoon makes it. Both have shown to be liabilities in coverage, so I’m not sure either makes it. To me this is a 3-way race between these 2 guys and the rookie Stanford.

by Deuceklinco on Sep 2, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

My picks for reciever at this point...

if we take 6 (which hopefully we will):

-Smith
-Jarrett
-Lafell
-Edwards
-Gettis
-Guy

Outside looking in: Moore, Martin

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by John Chilton on Sep 2, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I created a fanpost... but I feel like this is a much better forum for it.

silver82blade and I got into a discussion in the preview topic over on the Steelers blog. We were asked by a reader over there what the depth was like at DE. I responded saying I believed we had 4 potential starters in Johnson, Brayton, Brown and Hardy… while silver saw Eric Moore as a comparable talent to Charles Johnson and in the mix to be a potential starter.

Obviously it appears we’re very deep at defensive end, but what does everyone think about who we have? Who do you think has the potential to be a starter for the Panthers? What about Charles Johnson v. Eric Moore? Do you think they’re interchangeable?

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Sep 2, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't say he had the potential to be a starter in Carolina.

Obviously they’re going to officially start two others. I just said he had starting talent, and he should be in the rotation of guys come game day. I just wanted to clarify.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Sep 2, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would cut Moore

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

OH!

by STEVEN 785 on Sep 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.

You just want to say something to disagree with me. Why do you always do that? I don’t think you mean that, and I don’t think you could find two other people on here to say Eric Moore should be cut.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Sep 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

no I dont want to disagree with you...

here is why. He is 29. yeah he has been playing well. but he is a vet. and he has been in against back ups. good for him and his light bulb. But we have roster spots that need to go elsewhere. lIke to Todd Carter, David Gettis, Brian Witherspoon, Robert McClain, RJ Stanford, some offensive lineman, going on a limb here but Corvey Irvin. I would rather have any of these guys than Moore… Kenny or Eric. cut them both please!

And I will have a very close eye on Corvey tonight. This kid has a skillset that is valuable. We should get to see him play for many snaps tonight.

Also Spoon needs to make this roster. He has shown great things so far. I am hoping he continues to impress tonight and gets his spot on the 53. He does fill 3 maybe 4 positions. being able to do PR and KR is a big plus.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

OH!

by STEVEN 785 on Sep 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I might agree with you Steven

For me the question is ‘Will Eric Moore ever justify getting playing time over any of the other 4 DEs?’

I honestly don’t think I can say yes.

Keep the depth in the weakest positions. I know it’s tempting to make the strong stronger, but with so many questions at WR, at DT long term and to make sure the linebackers are set I find it hard to justify keeping a 5th DE, regardless of how talented he is.

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by James Dator on Sep 2, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post.

I think you hit everything pretty much on the head. I know the receivers got discussed in detail above.
Neither Cantwell or Pike would clear waivers. I think Cantwell makes it as QB3 and Pike gets picked up by another team.
According to Gantt’s twitter page, Martin is more likely to make it than Moore, but Martin still had PS eligibility, so he’d probably be headed there.
The Panthers won’t go without a kickoff specialist, and I believe it will be Todd Carter. If he gets cut, they will pick up another one.
I don’t think Hudson will make the final 53.

Just my $0.02.

by bmoyer on Sep 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, 9 recs!!

Thanks a lot guys!! Appreciate the feedback, I love hearing different perspectives on players and such!!

Since Guy won’t be traveling to Pittsburgh, I think we can probably call him out of the race and likely on the PS…

Just curious, what do ya’ll think of Todd Carter?? With so much talent competing for spots, is the Smoothie guy good ENOUGH to earn one, or would you prefer to give it to someone else??

by jkp1516 on Sep 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's watch his touchback rate tonight

If he can keep the Pittsburgh returners in the end zone, I think he deserves a roster spot. Our special teams need all the weapons they can get, and he could be the most important one.

by Newsinz on Sep 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about his importance, provided he can deliver.

Hopefully we’ll score often tonight, so he’ll have plenty of chances to show his stuff.

It’s undeniable that it’s a big asset if your ST can start the opposition at their 20, time after time.

Sure, it eliminates the chance for a fumble recovery on their return…but more importantly, it eliminates the other guys getting a good runback, and better field position.

Seems to me as an inexperienced observer, that if that’s ALL you do, you should easily be able to kick it off at least halfway deep in the EZ, and 1/4 of the time, through the back. If you can’t do that, how can you expect to be paid hundred of thousands of dollars for fewer than 2 dozen games a year? Further, it seems to be the simplest job in the world to be good at, and well paid for. Hell, the unemployment rate in this country is almost 10% now – where are all the long-distance place-kickers??

by bigdavis on Sep 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

See Rhys Lloyd - He can do this all day.

Also Gostkowski (spelling?) from New England is great at this.

I really don’t see the Panthers letting Kasay do kickoffs this year. They want to keep his leg fresh for FG’s. They do almost everything by commitee. (RB, TE, DE, LB etc etc etc) anyway. It’s probably only a matter of time until they start swapping out QB’s on third down (just kidding).

by bmoyer on Sep 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kasay's kick offs...

…are not NFL capable. Sad as it to say, it would almost be better to actually find an all around kicker. Solid kick offs and clutch field goals. He’ll retire in a year or two, I’m sure, but it’s gotta be on the front office’s mind.

by aceofsween on Sep 2, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

RECs

I just noticed this had 9 recs…

Anyone know the most rec’d post in CSR history? I’m just curious.

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by Schrute Bucks on Sep 2, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Go to main FanPosts page

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by Sniff on Sep 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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