Panthers Training Camp Week 1 Stock Watch
by Jaxon on Aug 3, 2010 12:21 AM EDT
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PrintThe first week of Panthers training camp is close to being in the books so lets see who's stock is on the rise and who's is taking a hit. Hat tip to Little King, Darin Gantt, Steve Reed and everyone else that has contributed their insight and opinions while attending camp. Based on these reports here is the first CSR stock watch report for the 2010 training camp, which is highlighted by the WRs:
Stock is Rising:
WR Brandon LaFell - LaFell is quickly looking like the Panthers top candidate for impact rookie of the season. We knew he could block and had an NFL-ready body. What we didn't expect was such smooth route-running and nimble hands. The kid is going to make a serious run at #2 WR and you won;t find me betting against him
OG Mackenzy Bernadeau - Mac-Bern is the early leader for the RG position given his competition has yet to get on the field at RG much less mount a serious challenge. Geoff Schwartz continue to fill in for RT Jeff Otah as he completes his injury rehab and Duke Robinson showed up out of shape. Mac-Bern on the other hand has impressed since being drafted in the 7th round and looks and sounds ready to play the position:
"The right guard spot's what I'm looking to do, what I want to do," he said. "If coach feels differently, that's whatever it is. I'm ready to compete and take care of business, because I want that spot."
WR Kenny Moore - We didn't talk much about Moore during the offseason, other than the fact he was working hard during OTA's. By all accounts Moore is flat out getting it done, both in his zest for blocking and his crisp route-running. Moore could also provide the deep threat from the slot the Panthers have sorely needed. Moore is the leader for the slot position.
...more after the jump...
DE Greg Hardy - Hardy has been the talk of camp. The highly athletic 6th round pick looks like a first rounder with his size, speed and strength. If it translates to the field we could have the best 6th round pick since Tom Brady.
LB Eric Norwood - Though the Panthers haven't decided whether he is a LB or a DE Norwood is impressing with his ability to grasp both positions. He's a pass rushing LB at this point:
"Right now his base position for us is linebacker. We’ll see how that goes," coach John Fox said. "He spent a lot more time with his hand in the dirt in college. He definitely has those skills, so he can be a designated pass rusher as well as an every-down linebacker and we’ll evaluate that as we move forward."
OG Duke Robinson - As mentioned earlier Robinson showed up out of shape and over weight just when many thought he would be competing for a starting spot. He must be content just being a back-up because his stock is in the tank. Fortunately for him the Panthers haven't given up on him:
Robinson might be the best long-term answer. When in shape, he's a monster in the run game, and paired with Otah would create a mammoth wall for the backs to get lost behind. But until he can drop some weight and get on the field, there's no opportunity for him to prove himself.
"Duke, we know about; we've just got to get him fit," Fox said.
WR Dwayne Jarrett - I debated whether to put Jarrett on this list because honestly his stock has never been really that high since being drafted by the Panthers. He looked bad at the first couple of practices but has improved in the last few practices. Still until Jarrett starts to look like the #2 WR he should be at this point in his career he will receive extra scrutiny.
WR Armanti Edwards - Edwards is a very popular Panther in his short time with the team and I'm sure many will not be happy with me putting him on this list. But the truth is any player that switches positions when jumping to the NFL is going to need time to adjust and Edwards is no exception. He has been plagued by bobbles and drops in the kick return game and lacks the polish shown by fellow 3rd round pick Brandon LaFell. Edwards may well be a factor in 2010 but I'm thinking it will be later in the season.
CB CJ Wilson - For a 4th year player the Panthers expected to see a solid back-up CB looking to compete for a starting job. Instead they have seen soft coverage and a lack of aggressiveness required by DC Ron Meeks. Wilson's saving grace could very well be the fact the Panthers don't necessarily have anyone better to take his place.
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greg hardy could really play a big role this season...
he’s big strong and fast…a good combo for DL
by SouthernPanther on Aug 3, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions
well you know I'm going to disagree with you saying Armanti's stock is falling
Guy has never returned kicks of any sort before in his life, so of course he will drop 1 or 2 (and I only remember 1 or 2 being reported) when things are going full speed around him. He’ll get there… but I don’t know if this should be affecting his stock.
It should be balanced out by the fact he is making catches (some spectacular) against guys who have been playing DB their whole lives.
Do I think he will be a starter at the beginning of the season? No. Do I think he will be by the end of the season? Also no. I see him being utilized as a utility guy, and as the 4th WR while he continues to adjust.
So, hopefully people see it as the learning curve we expected him to have, which I still think he is ahead of, rather than him being disappointing or his stock falling.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
really set me up with this one lol
Do I think he will be a starter at the beginning of the season? No. Do I think he will be by the end of the season? Also no.
definitely right though that the learning curve is taking effect
I'm pretty sure it was more than 2.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're spot on Jaxon
- LaFell is far exceeding my expectations of him already. Someone asked me a week ago what I thought the ceiling and floor were for him and I told him “At best he’ll be a combination of Hines Ward and Dwayne Bowe, at worst he’ll be a slightly better blocking version of Dwayne Jarrett”. I’m happy that it’s looking like the former.
- Kenny Moore is one of those guys who doesn’t have all the natural talent in the world, but he has a ton of heart. When it’s all said and done it’s the guys with heart who play in the NFL, because coaching can improve them. You find a place for guys who love to play football, and I would love the Panthers to find a place for him.
- Hardy is practicing like he’s got a giant chip on his shoulder, which is a good thing for a pass rusher. He really could be the steal of the 2010 draft. He could be this year’s Antwan Odom; a guy who comes from nowhere to stun the league.
- Armanti’s stock was artificially high because of the home grown appeal of him. Realistically, he’s not going to be Smitty or Wes Welker this year… he simply has too much to learn and digest. I think we’ll start to see him emerge around week 10, and have some solid time as a 3rd and 4th receiver. So yes, while his stock has taken a ‘hit’ I think it more has to do with unrealistic expectations becoming realistic, rather than anything Edwards has done.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Question
With the numbers being what they are, would you think that if they keep Jerrett, they’ll have to cut Kenny Moore? Or, the other way around?
Hello. My name is Inigo Montana. You killed my coach... prepare to die.
by Inigo Montana on Aug 3, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Jarrett and Moore's fates rest on each other
I think Kenny Moore is competing with David Gettis as this point, even though he’s taking snaps with the higher teams.
I’m probably not the most fair minded individual when it comes to Dwayne Jarrett, but I think he still makes the team despite how his camp looks. I agree with aceofsween, I think we’ll carry 5 WRs… most likely:
- Smith
- LaFell
- Jarrett
- Edwards
- Moore
- Wright (6th only because he’s a ST gunner, but technically he’s listed as a WR)
Then I think Trent Guy and David Gettis will be on the PS
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
So far, they make Guy sound like the best return man.
They’re not keeping 7 receivers, so if Guy is the return man Moore or Jarrett have to go.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
But like last year, I could see DJ inactive for a few games with an active Guy, especially if they rely on Guy as a returner.
Great post, Jaxon. Rec'd. I'm just going to put this down cuz it's what I think...
Jarrett needed to come out like gangbusters and prove he’s 2nd behind only Smitty, otherwise he’s BUSTED. He hasn’t done that. I would say at best he’s 5th at this point. Time to see if Pete Carroll will give us a 2012 7th rounder. Or a large cappucino. Anything. That’s my opinion right now. If he turns it around quickly, all will be forgiven.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I wouldn’t settle for less than a large cappuccino for the entire coaching staff, minus whatever personnel were responsible for drafting Jarrett.
To soften the blow to Jarrett, I’d just like to reiterate he is way better than me, and I respect all he did in college.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
5 spots are taken at WR
Smith, Lafell, Edwards, Moore, and Wright. I don’t see why we keep a Year 4 loser like Jarrett, when we could keep someone like Guy who can return on ST. Or even keep Gettis and give him some time as he is as big as and faster with more upside than Jarrett. Even if he doesn’t play much the first year, it will be as much as Jarrett.
IMHO, time to cut our losses with DJ
Dude, Gettis is slower out of his breaks than Jarret.
And lets see if Guy proves to be as good on returns when live bullets are flying.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 4, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree Gettis is not ready yet,
and think maybe Guy is the better keeper right now. But I’ll take a not ready rookie with more upside than a guy who’s a not ready 4 year vet just because he’s been around.
LaFell is 23 and a rookie
Jarrett is 23 and has 3 years of working in this offense with this staff with this QB. he has too much invested in him to let him go now.
i said i was not going to defend him anymore. and i guess i shouldnt have even said anything. but this is the last time. it does not matter if you guys get why we are keeping him. but we are. if he fails he is gone. if he is doing bad he could be gone by week3. but he is going to get his chance and he should.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!
You know it's getting hard to defend Jarrett..................................
when the selling points are his age and how long he’s been on the team. How about what he’s done on the field. Is he making plays? Sure doesn’t look like it. We are better with only 5 WR’s or someone with more upside as the 6th.
You don’t keep taking a medicine that isn’t working. You switch to another brand, regardless of whether or not the expiration dates match or how big a dent the first brand put in your wallet.
They have 11 receivers to choose from. 6 of them weren’t on the team last year. If they keep Jarrett that means one of those others who has potential gets cut. I don’t think that helps the team long term. I can see why you’d want to keep Jarrett if you thought he’d be better than that potential cut this year, but even that’s highly questionable given Jarrett’s track record.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 4, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
How much potential do the rest of these Guys (sorry for the pun, couldn't resist) really have though?
Jarret I believe is the Pac10’s all time leader in receving TD’s. What have Guy, Young, and Gettis accomplished that he hasn’t? Reserve judgement on Jarret until you see him in live action, he does after all have more catches, yards, and TD’s than the rest of the Guys ya’ll are pimping (again, I apologize for my punyness).
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw Guy make an unreal catch on youtube. I wonder if he actually as the stuff for a legit receiver. Young has potential. I don’t care what you all think lol. He was just learning to be more physical his senior year. With one or two years of NFL coaching, I think he could be a legit target. I don’t know about Gettis, but he did make a good diving catch in training camp. That’s potential.
I think we’ve seen what Jarrett has to offer. That’s just my opinion. He doesn’t get open enough for my liking, nor gets enough separation. He can catch, sure, but you have to get open first. I’m also not sold on his run blocking. I think Carolina should go their separate ways with him, and give one of these other guys their shot.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 4, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
These other guys could completely suck once they get on the field. At least we know what Jarrett does and that he has progressed each year whether or not you all want to admit it. The kid made a lot of clutch catches last season on third downs. Reports from camp being more good than bad on him has me thinking positive about him.
I think we should be a little more selective with the words “a lot”. I don’t trust that he’d get open consistently enough to be a factor on key plays, like 3rd down. He may make the occasional play, but starting wide outs are supposed to be open on a regular basis. Games kind of depend on it. You only get one shot at a 3rd down play. There are no do overs. I’d like to feel confident our number 2 guy will be open.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I recall any time a 3rd down ball was tossed his way last season, he caught it. It may not be a huge sample but I think its showing a lot more than we can say for the rest of the guys(not including smith).
Its all about opportunity
I’ve said it before, the best football player ever never played a down in the NFL. He was a farmer or construction worker instead because he couldn’t get into college.
Point is, if you are not afforded the opportunity to make an impact then how are you going to do it?
The fact is he caught everything thrown his way. There have been times where he was beating coverage and getting open, but the ball didn’t come.
If the coaching staff had as low of an opinion of Jarrett as some of us do, they would have cut his ass with the rest of ’em.
Let’s get through the first preseason game before we make any statements about his ability to contribute during the 2010 season, shall we?
I know its a hot topic, but that should just tell us that there is still the belief that he can be good, otherwise no one would give two turds about the guy, and he wouldn’t get any run on this site or any other.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Aug 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Though I am more interested in his first regular season game contribution/
+1
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!
+1
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!
ok last thing im pointing out to you
If the D is in zone great! jarret has shown the ability to find the holes in the zone. if they are in man then someone is going to be open. I dont know if you dont have faith in Moore to go through his reads. But if the DB is draped all over Jarrett one on one then a back or a TE or the Slot or Smitty will be open. Not the biggest deal in the world. i could see your concern if he was the only reciever on the field but he wont be. and if he is open he will catch the ball..even if he get cracked. and that is something we need.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!
You are probably right STEVEN
Unless someone like Guy looks too good to let go Jarrett will stick for now
+1
On all points, mirrors my thoughts above with Armanti… his stock was artificially inflated because he is an explosive and dynamic player. But, to think he wouldnt have a learning curve would be foolish.
He is right where he needs to be right now IMO. If not ahead of schedule.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
In all fairness, Smitty and Welker weren't Smitty and Welker in their first year...
but you’re right. Expectations were set to high by the fan base for an immediate impact. It’s going to take a while, but he’s got the playmaker skillset that will eventually translate. It’s a case of when, not if.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Good point.
Almost always takes a WR a year of 2 to make his mark, and get the feel for the game, and the confidence to excel. Again I raise the case of Sidney Rice.
3rd year is usually the impact year.
But it does depend on the team/coaching/skill. A WR with a great QB (e.g. P. Manning) has a better chance of making an impact sooner.
Smitty went to the ProBowl his first year
As a returner. He was a starter the next year, and leading all recivers in every category 3 years later.
Let’s also mention Smitty was a very good receiver in college too… Edwards was a QB. He’ll never be Smitty. Becoming a solid #2 is a high enough goal.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Realistically" he'll never be as good as Smitty
Has there ever been a WR pound for pound as good as Smitty? Landing a player like that on your team is more likely a once in a lifetime experience.
It is not fair to Armanti to set him up to fail by using such loft comparisons.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd be ecstatic if he could finally be our career slot threat.
We haven’t had a threat from the slot in a while.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No he probably won't
But I do think he brings some other unique skills to the table that Smitty does not bring. He at least brings some things to the table that defenses will have to honor, and that in and of itself makes an impact.
If he could be an above average WR, or a high quality slot receiver, he will be a success. If he can do that, and be a legitimate threat for trick plays and unique plays that the defense must account for.. he will be even more of success. If he can do all of the above and be a dynamic return man… well, then maybe, just maybe, we can sing his praises alongside those of Steve Smith.
But it will take time. In the meantime, Armanti is a high character guy and a hard worker, who fits our team image perfectly, and runs on the same motor that Smitty does. He’ll do anything to help the team win.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Want to put money on it?
I’ll say at the end of their careers Smitty has more ProBowls, you can have Edwards.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 3, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're going to wait 12 or so years for a bet to pay off?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa
If anything I was agreeing with what you said.
Smitty will always be the better receiver… I would be SHOCKED if Armanti ever got close.
My point was that if he was able to be a successful jack of all trades, then maybe we can talk about what he means to this team.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
I know, I know
But I’d still like to make that bet…. c’mon!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
So we traded a second round pick for a high quality slot receiver?
I got to be honest, he better become more than that.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 4, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
he damn well better
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!
he will be
but it probably wont be this year, and we better see his skills be put to use way beyond WR.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
For that second rounder, I want Edwards to become a cross between Antwan Randle El and Ricky Proehl.
With some Josh Cribbs thrown in.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 4, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And some DeShaun Jackson on the side?
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Aug 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That'd just be gravy. :)
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 5, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The Smitty comment was just an example of how he's been built up.
I don’t think he’ll be that player, just because from what I’ve seen and heard the chip on his shoulder isn’t big enough.
That’s not a knock on Armanti, it’s just that Smitty harnesses that ‘Napoleon complex’ and turns it into a sense of competitiveness and fearlessness not often seen.
I think Edwards can develop into an insanely productive Deon Branch type receiver as a 3rd option, maybe even a second… and if either of those happen then a 3rd round pick was well spent.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I'm waiting to read that he threw a pass in practice!!
Of course, they may hold off on that for closed practices.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Stocks "falling"?
Not to rag on the author of the article, but how can your stock fall if it’s not high to begin with? Particularly, the situation with Armanti Edwards makes me question this. He is switching positions and everyone knew the transition would be rough going in. And as it turns out, the transition is rough. so how does that translate to his stock dropping? It was never expected that he would look as polished as other WRs (at least, I wouldn’t expect it). So isn’t his stock right where we thought it would be?
This same thing goes for Jarret. Other people having great performances isn’t a sign that you are dropping off. Just like Armanti, he’s doing about what we expected (which isn’t much). His stock isn’t dropping so much as LaFell’s and Moore’s has shot up. How does your stock drop when you perform the way it’s expected? That’s what stock is, an expectation. Not everyone’s stock is the same (we expect more from Smith than say Jarret), but just because one person or a group of people (Moore and LaFell) get a bump, doesn’t mean that everyone else’s goes down…
Duke and Gettis’s stocks, on the other hand, definitely dropped as they have not lived up to their expectations.
Many people had overly high expectations for Edwards, I take it as coming back to reality and his stock “dropping” to where it should have been in the first place… the learning phase..
There was also a lot of talk about Jarrett having a break-out year after getting his first TD last year, yadda yadda. As of yet, he has shown that to definitely not be the case, causing his stock to fall right back down to where it was and has been for a while now.
At least, that’s the way I view it. I think the off-season left us all with too much time to talk football, we got ourselves a little too hyped, and started to think our players may do better than they would/are, causing their stock to rise artificially. As I said above, I think it’s a “back-to-reality” thing.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Just as James and D-Ranged stated
its more about the expectations of the fans. Expectations are high, too high for both Edwards and Jarrett. I think they are more with reality now.
I don;t mind the criticism…it comes with the territory.
I thought about adding Moore is some aspect
but his stock was already high and he is justifying it with his play.
Oh...but the beard is why I picked that picture
and of course we have the ‘Moore Brothers’ talking strategy.
Well you know I'm going to disagree with you saying Jarrett's stock is falling (thanks for the intro Tater)
Granted I haven’t been at practices, but the only bad thing I’ve heard is on the first play he lined up wrong, then ran a wrong route. One slip doesn’t mean your stock is falling. How can you equate that to “bad the first couple of practices”? He started with the 1’s and he’s still starting with the 1’s. After those first 2 tweets from Gantt, and confirmation by LK, all I’ve heard about is him making plays. LK even confirmed that although he had the one mistake in the first series, he did make several good/great plays the same practice. LK said he even “owned” Gamble on a play. So if one slip means your stock is falling, shouldn’t owning the star CB cause your stock to rise?
He’s caught a bunch of TD’s already in redzone work. And let’s keep this all in perspective here, With Smitty out, K Moore is running the X, while Jarrett is running the flanker spot he’ll be playing. We all know the X gets the flashier routes in the Panthers offense. Jarrett is doing exactly what he supposed to do from what I’ve heard. He’s making plays in traffic. He’s being the possession receiver we’ll need opposite Smitty.
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DJ isn't playing with heart
With all the guys trying to unseat him, he looks like he doesn’t care of he keeps the job or not. His practices remind me of the attitude he displayed to Keyshawn during the draft. So lax and sloppy. If I could mulligan any pick ever it would be DJ.
And this is coming from a Kerry Colins hater.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
by Oi2dwrld on Aug 3, 2010 9:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cubicle drone
Football is just a job to this guy and he obviously doesn’t give a crap about whether he does it well or not. Or maybe he really does love football and is just lazy. What really makes it inexcusable is this guy is in a contract year and should be busting his hump.
If he doesn’t show anything by the end of the first few regular season games, I see no reason to keep him around. Bring back Charly Martin or something. His finger ought to be fine by then…
No, I think he said Gamble was all over Jarrett.
I can’t recall, but Cap may have even dominated him. All I’ve heard about Jarrett that was positive was he made a couple good red zone plays, and a catch in traffic. I’ve heard much more about LaFell and Moore. If a rookie is beating you out, your stock sucks. Sorry.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
captain Great pass d against 80. Moore @ qb, almost sacked byh 99
by LittleKing on Jul 31, 2010 4:37 PM PDT via mobile
Does your opinion mirror Gantt’s LK? “In 1-on-1 matchups, Gamble vs Jarrett is simply not fair. Chris rarely gets mentioned, but he is very good bordering on excellent.”
by James The Aussie on Jul 30, 2010 1:08 PM PDT
A guy of Cap’s size should not be able to defend a guy of Jarrett’s size, regardless of whether or not the QB almost got sacked. It’s absurd.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
captain Great pass d against 80. Moore @ qb, almost sacked byh 99
by LittleKing on Jul 31, 2010 4:37 PM PDT via mobile
A guy of Cap’s size should not be able to defend a guy of Jarrett’s size, regardless of whether or not the QB almost got sacked. It’s absurd.
You basing your opinion on one post about one play is what’s absurd.
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Let's just quantify this a bit, and try to keep things in perspective.
Gantt has made one reference to LaFell over the first 5 practices that wasn’t about his injury. He said the order of WR’s at this point is Smith, Smith, Smith, Moore, Jarrett, LaFell, the rest.
Reed has made one reference to LaFell saying (paraphrasing) Lafell has some juice over the middle)
LK mentioned LaFell several times as his observations at the moment.
So saying he’s being beaten out by a rookie is inaccurate. And I stand by theory that any X receiver will look better than a Z in the Panthers offense. Yes Moore has looked good, but he’s been running the WR spot to look good in. Jarrett has been doing his job so far IMO.
And yes, Gantt did tweet that Gamble against Jarrett “isn’t even fair” mentioning how Gamble is one of the best in the league. But if it wasn’t LK, I definately read where Jarrett beat him bad on one play. I didn’t just make it up. Point is, WE aren’t there, WE aren’t watching every single play. To make such blanket statements about anyone’s stock based on limited tweets and observations isn’t accurate.
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Gantt has mentioned LaFell several times.
“And as soon as I crack on the WRs, LaFell makes highlight. He’s far ahead of Edwards now, but he should be.”
“Rookie WR Brandon LaFell’s got a little juice about him. Just caught a nice crossing route and took off.”
“Lot of good open field action. Captain Munnerlyn making some nice plays with ones. Lot of good LaFell action.”
“Rookie WR Brandon LaFell not practicing. Right leg wrapped, not sure what’s wrong with him. Had a great camp so far though.”
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Reed on LaFell.
“Another nice grab by WR Brandon LaFell. The more you watch this kid, the more you have to like.”
“LaFell just made an incredible one-handed catch behind his head. That’s encouraging.”
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you win
Knee jerk reaction - adj. 1. an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive. 2. a facilitator of long threads on Cat Scratch Reader and similar blogs.
I figured it was obvious this is all subjective...
Just my opinion based on what I’ve read. Even if I was there and putting my own opinion it would still be subject to disagreement.
That wasn't a knock on you at all
The whole problem with camp and trying to follow tweets etc is that too is subjective.
Knee jerk reaction - adj. 1. an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive. 2. a facilitator of long threads on Cat Scratch Reader and similar blogs.
Well, Reed on his after practice observations list on the 31st flat out said LaFell was doing better than Jarrett. That is, perhaps, less subjective than a random tweet. That was several days ago though. I don’t know what his opinion is now.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not offended at all Sniff
I knew this post was going to be controversial…your ‘stock’ evaluation is just as good as mine. You are correct it is very subjective…even a guess…but hey, its all we got right now.
i know we arent doing all the players on the roster
but where do u think some of the other guys are? like everette brown and charles johnson?
i would say ed johnson and corey irvins stocks are up as johnson has preformed well and irvin is a coach favorite.
Whew...can tell this post was some midnight blogging
typos everywhere…
Nothing wrong with a little disagreement…I purposely was grading Jarrett a little tough. He’s a 4th year guy that shouldn’t be making the kinds of mistakes he was making early on. But by all accounts he is over the rough spots
If this was 2009 and Dwayne Jarrett was sloted to be the #3 receiver, then I'd cut him some slack
At this point though, entering a season where he will be relied on more than ever I don’t think any playbook related mistakes are tolerable.
This morning I asked Darin Gantt directly about Jarrett:
jamestheaussie
@daringantt Thanks for all the coverage from camp! Dwayne Jarrett, any signs of life this camp, or more of the same?
daringantt
@jamestheaussie Some good, some bad. Kind of the usual. The games will decide his future.
Personally, I’m growing weary of ‘the usual’. Sooner or later he’s going to need to look extraordinary, especially now Brandon LaFell is in the picture and is making a strong case to be the #2.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
The games are definitely going to be the deciding factor.
We cut Moore slack for playing better than he practices, let’s see what Jarret does in game action and the rest of TC. The whole team is still shaking off the rust, plus the practices have been a little mellow. I’m reserving final judgement for now.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt's all like:
“DUDE! Think of the merchandising coin we can grab with catchphrases like ‘Moore 2 Moore!’ or ‘Moore²’ all over t-shirts, baseball caps, and beer mugs. I need you to lock up that 2nd receiver spot!”
Kenny: “No problem. I just saw Jarrett ‘studying’ a playbook, but when I peeked over his shoulder, he had a comic book hidden inside. Don’t worry; we got this!”
I see Billy Idol playing after every Moore to Moore connection...
In the midnight hour, she cried more, more, more
With a rebel yell she cried more, more, more
In the midnight hour babe more, more, more
With a rebel yell more, more, more
MORE, MORE, MORE!!!!
Yeah baby! I’m getting pumped for some football!
This is hilarious
I almost spit my water onto the monitor!
by The Duke Dude on Aug 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with JtA on Jarrett...
Eventually, he has to step up and be the #2 guy – enough of the “ran the wrong route” and “can’t learn the playbook” nonsense.
Personally, I’m pullng for K. Moore to make the team – I like his heart.
I see 6 receivers making the team:
Smitty
Buck
Jarrett
Armanti
Kenny
Wright (ST Gunner)
And I’m pulling for Greg Hardy – I like seeing a guy come in with a chip on his shoulder and a mindset to prove his detractors wrong the proper way – by working hard and EARNING playing time. I think we got a steal with that 6th round pick, and I can’t wait to see him on the field.
BTW- great work Jaxon.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Aug 3, 2010 9:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm getting tired of Jarrett too
If he was a rookie like LaFell then he’d be 4th or 5th in line right now, not even considered for #2. It’s not fair to guys like LaFell and K Moore he clearly want it more than him.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 3, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say Jarrett should know the playbook by now ...
… but, honestly, I don’t think I could memorize it. I don’t know how people do it. Maybe there’s some trick to memorizing chunks at a time. There are some players who have to know 2 or 3 positions though. I have serious respect for those people.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
A guy called Oliver Young is been shinnig in practice, or maybe it was just when i was there. I think they might put him on the PS also. Also, the Panthers Cut Marcus Walker and signed a RB Dantrell Savage who has been with the Chiefs for two seasons.
by panthertillidrop on Aug 3, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
Finally, some Young news.
I’ll assume you didn’t get the jersey number wrong and it was actually Young. Nice to see he’s at least doing something.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i was right on the other side where the offense was practicing
Saw the QB drills and the WR run routes.
by panthertillidrop on Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet.
Young will start and make the Pro Bowl and Hall of Fame and take Jerry Rice’s records and everything … =|
… in my head, the only place it counts. Lol.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
actually it should be "...have been shining" lol
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Aug 3, 2010 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fail - has been shining
Now I’m confused LOL
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Aug 3, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Missing a choice on the survey
I would vote “I’m skeered!” I would have kept a couple of vets, rather than going after any particular FA’s, but this comes off as a huge crap shoot (or something I would do in Madden). I will be holding my breath every play…
by panthersnbraves on Aug 3, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
Skairt is more the super rural backcountry way to say it, and scurred is more the white guy trying to be funny way of saying it.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess I'll just stick with "scared," then.
There’s too many semantics involved in confirming the “correct misspelling.” lol
So long CSR
I bid you all a fond adieu. It’s been fun, at least for me getting more involved in enjoying the team I love, but it’s obvious my opinions on virtually everything is contrary to 95% of the readers here, so I’m just wasting my time and yours.
Knee jerk reaction - adj. 1. an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive. 2. a facilitator of long threads on Cat Scratch Reader and similar blogs.
Maybe I'm in the 5%
But I like all the insight you bring to the table.
You should stay here!
If everyone agreed with everyone else all the time, there would be no such thing as a discussion. Everything would just be the rule.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Ok fine, Jarrett rules and LaFell stinks. Now you can stay.
I thought I was the one who disagreed with everybody. Just give it a few weeks and it will swing back to your point of view, whatever trend you feel isn’t going your way at the moment. Fan opinions are very fluid.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't leave just because some disagree
it’s nice to have a variety of opinions, otherwise we’re all just reading the same thoughts
It wouldn't be fun if we all agreed at the time
The more contrary views the better, especially when you put forth your argument in a cogent, well thought out and respectful way; which you always do Sniff.
Don’t quit now… the fun stuff hasn’t even begun yet! We need you for the gameday open threads!
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Was it something I said?
I remember last season after the Eagles game one guy was saying ‘kick Delhomme to the curb, he’s washed up’ but the rest of us thought for sure he would turn it around. That guy was ERL and he was right, and he stuck around anyway and took his lumps but had his ‘I told you so’ moment. Maybe you are right and we are wrong.
Anyway to me its the differing opinions that keep the blog from getting boring. If we all agreed I would hung this thing up by now
Sniff...
cut the shit and get your ass back on here. Dwayne Jarrett has himself in this difficult situation. The reporters are going to be all over him and so are the fans. His play will do the talking. untill then he will be trashed for every little mistake. I am not worried about defending him anymore. He will shut everyone up when the season gets here.
Dont leave me hanging here bro.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!
Variety is the spice of life.
What good are blogs like these without good old fashioned, respectful, intellectual debate? If everybody here was always 100% in agreement on everything, I probably wouldn’t have joined the forum myself.
Don't you dare leave.
Your opinions and observations are vital to an open discussion of how things are, and will be.
You’re not wasting your time, and definitely not ours.
5% is pretty good
I’m only in about 2%
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 3, 2010 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn Sniff, you can't go. You're always there to actually say something funny after I try
to say something funny. Let’s remember, we’re all just guessing around here. Our opinions count for nothing, don’t promote world peace, and generally just provide a fun excuse to waste time with people who are nuts about the Panthers.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Seriously Sniff...
Kick back, relax, drink a sixer of Bud, and come back tomorrow – the debate is what keeps people coming back here (that and the hope that Shockers will infiltrate the Top Cats dressing room with his camera, but that’s beside the point).
I like your arguments because you bring data to support your opinions, unlike a lot of people on other sites who just say crazy shit for the sake of argument – your stuff is always well thought-out and intelligent.
I think I speak for 95% of the people here when I say that CSR won’t be as entertaining with you gone, so take a day off and come back. JtA is right – we need you for game threads…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Aug 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hopefully infiltrating the Top Cats dressing room, lol
Seriously, I dunno – I haven’t seen him around lately either.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Aug 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How has Clausen done so far?
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Aug 3, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
He seems to be doing well
Not as commanding or polished as Matt Moore, and he’s had a few rough moments… but just the fact he’s being measured up against Matt Moore should be encouraging given it’s his first week in the NFL.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Ask DeAngelo Williams the next time you run into him.
He has some great commentary on it.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, replace "great" with "akward, yet entertaining".
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont get it.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure that he was all that
“irritated”. I think he was half-amused that he got another Clausen question.
In this interview
he’s asked about Clasuen and does seem to get a irritated about being asked about Clausen again and again. (around 4:25)
I'm taking my talents to South Beach.
woops, link would help....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTCUOfVloCo
I'm taking my talents to South Beach.
errr...not enough coffee yet today - starts at 4:15 in the video not 4:25
I'm taking my talents to South Beach.
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