Play-by-Play Summary of the Titans game - Offense Grades First
by bigdavis on Aug 29, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
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We had 13 Offensive Series this game (including one which was just a 2-point conversion attempt, after Mike Goodson's KO return for TD.
Series #1:
Q1, 12:49, 1and10, Car 23. This series began with 15/Wright and 80/Jarrett as the WR's, and the OL was 69, 70, 67, 73, and 74, the usual starters in Jeff Otah's absence. 34/DeAngelo Williams ran for no gain.
12:17, 2and10, Car 23. Another rush by 34/Wms, this for a 2 yd loss.
11:38, 3and12, Car 21. First Down pass from 3/Matt Moore to 88/Dante Rosario, for 13, vs a 4-man rush. Moore was UC (under center, and I'll show where our QB's were there, or in the SG) Note that this throw was nicely timed, as the ball left Moore's hands while 88 still had 5 yds left in this route, and before he turned around.
10:55, 1and10, Car 34, UC. WR's 15 and 80 were both split left, with 47/King the TE to the right; 34 and 42 in the backfield. A swing pass right, to 34/Wms gains 6 yds.
10:12, 2and4, Car40. 88 and 47 are both set left, with 80 wide left and 15 to the right, 34 the lone set-back. 88 shifts to the FB spot, and blocks as the handoff goes to 34/Wms, off LT, for a gain of 7, picking up another FD. An ankle tackle by their S 24/Hope saves this from going the distance.
9:34, 1and10, Car 47, UC. 4-man rush. Although 74/Schwartz misses his block, allowing pressure on the QB, the throw is complete to 15/Wallace Wright for 11, and another FD. This is a good catch on the left sideline, Wright getting both feet in, before going OOB.
8:58, 1and10, Tenn 42. Run by 22/Tyrell Sutton for no gain.
8:20, 2and10, Tenn 42. UC. Deep ball from Moore, 50 yds in the air, to 80/Jarrett, at the goal line. The pass in INC, as it's overthrown by 2 yds. Encouraging that Jarrett can beat his man deep, though, and worth considering for the future.
8:11, 3and10, Tenn 42. SG. WR's are 15, 80, and 84/Trent Guy in the slot. 74/Schwartz whiffed on his man again, bringing pressure on Moore, who has to scramble, and go to his checkdown, 88/Rosario, but he is tackled immediately, for no gain. After a false start on 59/Nic Harris, in to block for the punter, sets us back to their 47, we punt.
Series #2:
2:40 - 1:38, starting at our 2, backed up after a PR snafu, we go 3 and out (1 yd run by 34/Wms, incomplete pass on a drop by 42/Fiammetta, and an 8 yd sweep by 34/Wms, coming up a yd short of a FD. This is where Jason Baker unloads on a 74 yd punt, with no runback!
Series #3:
2Q, 14:13, 1and10, Car 20. UC. Moore rolls right, but under pressure from DT/75, makes a bad throw, intended for 47/King.
14:08, 2and10, Car 20. UC. TE's 47 and 88 shift to the right; 81/KMoore and 11 are split; 34 the lone back. Pass is complete to 81/KMoore for 8 yds, on the smoke route.
13:29, 3and2, Car28. UC. Pass to 11/LaFell is short and right, uncatchable. Another 3 and out. We punt again.
Series #4:
2Q, 11:03, 1and10, Car 23. Another 3 and out, after the thunderous ovation from the crowd, as Trent Guy successfully hauls in the Fair Catch. The first 2 plays are runs by 34 and 42, which net 2 yds, then on 3rd down, with 4 WR's in, from the SG, Moore hands off to 33/Goodson, on a draw, and it loses the 2 we'd gained. Punt.
Series #5:
2Q, 7:53, 1and10, Car 11. UC. A pass in the right flat to 42/Fiammetta, brings a DPI call, which nets 3 yds.
7:48, 1and10, Car 14. A run to the right by 34/Wms gains nothing.
7:09, 2and10, Car 14. UC. A pass to 47/King is well-defended by the CB, INC.
7:04, 3and10, Car 14. SG. 6-man rush, a rare blitz by the Titans. A good out route by 11/LaFell, with the throw right on his fingertips, at the 31, would have been a FD, but he fails to haul it in. The announcers talk about how his hands are his drawback. We punt, but not before a 5-yd false start penalty on 54/Mortty Ivy, in to block.
Series #6: (after a punt fumble recovery: caused by 22/Sutton, with a vicious hit; the recovery by 53/Jamar Williams, in for his first game.)
2Q, 6:43, 1and10, Tenn 45. Discouraging 3 and out, after the turnover, as 2 runs by 34/Wms gain nothing, and on 3and10, Moore completes to 80/Jarrett (SG), vs a 4-man rush, for only 4 yds. Moore had time to throw elsewhere, but appeared to be intent to get it to Jarrett. Punt again.
Series #7: (This is a good, 10-play drive, covering 60 yds, which ends in a fumble) Also I'd note that 84/Trent Guy made a nifty 15 yd punt return, only to see it nullified by a DH on 53/Jamar Wms. This will not appear in the game log for Guy, but he showed some speed.
2Q, 2:31, 1and10, Car 26. UC. Moore got happy feet on this one, taking a long time to find 88/Rosario down the field, under no particular pressure from a 4-man rush. By the time he threw it, Rosario was triple covered, and the pass fell incomplete, thanks to 88's defensive ability. The WR's in on the set were 12/Gettis and 15/Wright.
2:20, 2and10, Car 26. 33/Goodson runs off tackle for no gain.
2:00, 3and10, Car 26. SG. 3-man rush. Moore goes back to 88/Rosario with a beauty, over the middle on a deep slant, for 24 yds, hitting him in stride. FD.
1:35, 1and10, midfield. SG. 4 WR's in (84/Guy and 82/Barnidge split), the pass to 82/Gettis is inc. The pass was there, but it was broken up, as it hit the WR's hands.
1:29, 2and10, midfield. SG. Complete to 84/Guy on a slant, for 7.
1:08, 3and3, Tenn 43. SG. WR's are now 12, 15, 82, and 11/LaFell. Complete for a FD to 12/Gettis, who was hit hard, but this time held on, for a gain of 6. Tine Out called.
1:00, 1and10, Tenn 37. UC. 4 WR's, 3 to the left side, 4 man rush. 73/MacBern misses his block at RG allowing blind side pressure on Moore (as he's throwing left), but he gets the ball out just before being hit. The pass is slightly overthrown to 12/Gettis, and is INC. At this point, Moore is 9 for 18, 82 yds.
0:54, 2and10, Tenn 37. UC. Under a 6-man blitz, the pass is batted down at the line, as 73/MacBern allows his man to get his hands up. Moore is flattened hard.
0:52, 3and10, Tenn 37. SG. 4 WR's. A great diving, rolling, one-hand catch by 11/LaFell, for a FD. Time Out is quickly called by LaFell, a savvy WR move. He didn't waste time celebrating, he just went about his business.
0:41, 1and10, Tenn 16. In the Red Zone at last, and running a nice 2-minute drill on a good drive, it all comes to naught. SG. 4-man rush, 4 WR's, 3 split right. Moore goes to 82/Barnidge in the EZ, but a DPI flag is thrown, and then picked up, as apparently, the refs thought the pass was too high, and uncatchable.
0:39, 2and10, Tenn 16. UC. 4-man rush. Moore's pass is complete at the 9, to 15/Wright, but he tries to make a move, and fumbles, picked up by the Titans. Moore is 11 for 22, for 104, in the first half.
Series #8: (after a great 37-yd KO return by 84/Guy)
3Q, 14:52, 1and 10, Car 36. 22/Sutton runs for 2.
14:15, 2and8, Car 38. UC. 4-man rush. Moore steps up in the pocket to avoid pressure, and throws to 11/LaFell, but they're on different pages, as Moore throws the out, and LaFell breaks in. I'd have to call this on LaFell, as the QB usually knows where he's throwing it. Incomplete.
14:10, 3and8, Car 38. SG. Complete to 10/Armanti Edwards, for 7, 1 yd short of a FD. This the play that Moore wants to go for it (and the way our D had been holding them, I'd agree), but we punt.
Series #9: (after another 3 and out by our D, we field their punt at our 37, but are backed up by another ST penalty, this for a block in the back by 54/Ivy.)
3Q, 11:31, Car 26. UC. 4-man rush, good blocking up front, Moore is unhurried and delivers a strike to 12/Gettis for 19 yds and a FD. Gettis ran an especially good, double-move route to get open. Big points for him, as he holds on, after a good hit.
10:55, 1and10, Car 45. A rare penalty on them (offsides) yields us 5.
10:28, 1and5, midfield. UC. 20 yds, play-action screen pass to 22/Sutton gains 20. Great YAC for Sutton. This is a good call by Davidson, as we would've run it with 5 to go, in the past.
9:55, 1and10, Tenn 30. Good spinning run, off tackle, by 33/Goodson, for 5.
9:17, 2and5, Tenn 25. UC. 4-man rush, not finding 2 receivers open, Moore scrambles, and runs OOB for no gain (or loss).
8:38, 3and5, Tenn 25. SG. 4-man rush. Moore throws way over the head of 81/KMoore, and we kick a 43 yd FG, to go up 3-0.
Series #10:
3Q, 4:05, 1and10, Car 30. UC. WR's are 10/Edwards and 80/Jarrett, with 2 TE's. Pass to 10/Edwards complete for 6.
3:43, 2and 4, Car 36. UC. Another 6 yd completion to 10/Edwards, this on the Smitty smoke route, featuring a nice juke and stiff-arm by Edwards. FD.
3:18, 1and10, Car 41. Rush for 5 by 22/Sutton, he comes out with a ding to his shoulder.
2:55, 2and5, Car 46. UC. 5-man rush. Incomplete pass is batted down at the line.
2:42, 3and5, Car 46. SG. 5-man rush, pass complete to 11/LaFell at midfield, he gets good YAC, and takes it to the Tenn 43, for a FD.
1:58, 1and10, Tenn 43. 33/Goodson cuts it to the outside, and makes a nice run to their 16, for 27 yds. Gotta give a shout out to 74/Schwartz, who made a great block to open the hole.
1:09, 1and10, Tenn 16. Again in the Red Zone, we stutter. Gross is called for a Hold. Call looked suspicious to me, as his man fell down and started pointing like a baby sibling. Mama, he did it.
:43, 1and20, Tenn 26. UC. 4-man rush. Play-action, delayed screen, well-run by all on the field. 33/Goodson takes it for 18 yds, to the 8. Fine downfield blocks by 70/Wharton, 67/Kalil, 73/MacBern, who all pull, and by 88/Rosario and 10/Edwards further downfield. Mark this play as a keeper.
0:09, 2and2, Tenn 8. Here I've gotta suspect that if Double Trouble had been in, we may have done better, but it was time to check out 40/Josh Vaughn, and he came up short, losing yds, as the quarter ended.
4Q, 15:00, 3and4, Tenn 10. UC. 4 man rush, but the pass is batted down by their DT, as 67/Kalil doesn't get him down. We have to settle for a FG, to go up 6-0.
Series #11:
(after a KO return by 33/Goodson, for a TD, this "series" is really only a 2-point conversion attempt, with #2/Jimmy Clausen in at QB. 40/Vaughn gets another chance, and again, he comes up short. No XPs.
Series #12: (after an INT by our 32/Brian Witherspoon, 2/Clausen is in at QB for the rest of the game.)
4Q, 11:05, 1and10, Tenn 23. False start by 64/Petitti, and the RG, sets us back. It appears that this one could have been caused by Clausen's coming up from under center, after already audibleing on the play. But who knows?
11:05, 1and15, Tenn 28, A run by 40/Vaughn loses 5. Can't expect him to make the roster this way.
10:25, 2and17, Tenn 30. UC. The OL is now 65/Garry Williams, 71/C.J. Davis, 73/MacBern at C, 72/Robinson, and 64/Petitti. A motley group. Clausen throws a frozen rope to 81/KMoore for 16, just short of a FD. Great pass.
9:57, 3and2, Tenn 15. False start on 73/MacBern
9:40, 3and7, Tenn 20. False start on 65/Wms.
9:30, 3and12, Tenn 25. False start on 71/Davis.
8:57, 3and17, Tenn 30. Completion to 12.Gettis for 7 yds. Kudos to Clausen for keeping his cool.
8:23, 4and10, Tenn 23. We kick a 41 yd FG, to go up 15-7.
Series #13: (after another INT by 32/Witherspoon. He went to the ground untouched, and was called out for it on the sidelines by Fox and Meeks. Could have picked up more yds.)
4Q, 5:28, 1and10, Car 34. Run by 40/Vaughn for 4 yds.
4:54, 2and6, Car 38. Another run by 40/Vaughn loses a yd.
4:15, 3and7, Car 37. Play of the game, as Clausen tosses to 82/Barnidge, 3 yds out to the left. Barnidge breaks 3 tackles on his way up the sideline, for a 50 yd gain.
3:26, 1and10, Tenn 13. Incomplete, batted down at the line.
3:24, 2and10, Tenn 13. Run by 40/Vaughn to the 7 for 8 yds. Good block downfield by 12/Gettis to spring him.
2:35, 3and2, Tenn 5. This was a FD run by 40/Vaughn, but called back by a Hold on 64/Petitti. This probably prevented a TD, as we'd have been on the 2, goal to go.
2:30, 3and12, Tenn 15. SG. Nice screen pass to 40/Vaughn, who takes it to the 7, but short of a FD.
2:21, 4and4, Tenn 7. Kasay misses a 25 yd chip shot. Ball turns over to Tenn.
There was a last play at 0:39, when Clausen took a knee, but I own't call it a drive.
In retrospect, the thing that's keeping us back from scoring on offense isn't the play of the QB's, or the WR's, or the RB's. It's all the damned penalties (False Starts, Holding, Blocks in the Back) which abort any momentum. Fix these, and our O will start to click. At least, that's my take on it. This takes hours to transcribe, but I'll try to get to the D tomorrow.
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I disagree to a point
The offense was able to string together several drives that ultimately just fell apart when they were unable to convert on 3rd down. Some of that came from dropped passes. Some of it came from poorly thrown balls. And still others came when we just couldn’t move the chains on the ground. I’m thinking if Smith and Stewart were in (in addition to Williams playing the entire game) we will see some difference.
However, James pointed out in a separate thread that Moore didn’t really get started until after halftime. That’s a bit troubling because the Titans started pulling out some of their starters. I’ve notice he has a tendency to miss high a lot. There were also a few under thrown balls, one which would have been a pick if Rosario didn’t break it up. Both he and Clausen put together a few nice drives though. One toward the end in the 4th quarter came to an end when Clausen’s offensive line had a nervous breakdown and coughed up 20 yards in false start penalties. I’m curious what he’d do with the starters, though by no means do I think he should replace Moore.
by aceofsween on Aug 29, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Great Stuff
I really think Otah will help a whole lot when he comes back. He helps the run game, and I noticed some pressure coming off that right side quite a bit, and hopefully he would be able to slow that down.
Also once Smitty gets in, teams wont be able to stack the box and just blitz so his presence will help the run game which was kind of slow against the Titans.
Oh by the way, we only scored 15. =)
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
Great breakdown... how could I not choose to find a photo of stormin' Gary Barnidge for this post?
These were my favorite plays of the night:
2:00, 3and10, Car 26. SG. 3-man rush. Moore goes back to 88/Rosario with a beauty, over the middle on a deep slant, for 24 yds, hitting him in stride. FD.
0:52, 3and10, Tenn 37. SG. 4 WR’s. A great diving, rolling, one-hand catch by 11/LaFell, for a FD. Time Out is quickly called by LaFell, a savvy WR move. He didn’t waste time celebrating, he just went about his business.
10:25, 2and17, Tenn 30. UC. The OL is now 65/Garry Williams, 71/C.J. Davis, 73/MacBern at C, 72/Robinson, and 64/Petitti. A motley group. Clausen throws a frozen rope to 81/KMoore for 16, just short of a FD. Great pass.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
This is slightly more encouraging.
I agree that while penalties have been an issue, the play of the receivers has been underwhelming. Drops, pass breakups, and just plain not getting open. On the pass Moore threw into triple coverage that Rosario broke up, he looked around for a good 4-5 seconds to try and find an open man. Moore’s accuracy isn’t incredible, and at times is downright mediocre, but his receivers aren’t bailing him out much. There are exceptions, such as Jarret who catches virtually anything thrown to him, and that catch by LaFell, but I have to think that Moore will look a lot better when he’s launching bombs to Smith instead of Rosario. Our short yardage game will look a lot better with Stew in, and our OL should be better with Otah. Our offense won’t be a powerhouse this year, but we should be able to grind out enough points for some wins.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
That may be all it'll take, with our shut-down D.
Some teams boast a shut-down corner – we’ve got shut-down DE’s!
Barnidge is an interesting case, isn't he?
He’s had two really big plays, this one and the one against Minny last year, in which he broke multiple tackles, and carried defenders with him, for huge gains. Like Rosario and Hardy, he toils on Special Teams, too. I hope he gets the playing time and exposure he deserves this year. He extends plays, when given the chance.
Something I noticed while Moore was playing...
As has been pointed out, it’s likely Moore was being told who to target at least some of the time, for evaluation purposes. I noticed Barnidge open several times, but he wasn’t the target. When the handcuffs come off, I think Barney may break out.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Interesting stat...
15 Panthers caught a pass last night. Bet that’s a record. There were 7 WR’s, all 3 TE’s, and 5 guys out of the backfield.
That’s distribution, if that’s what the coaches wanted to evaluate.
http://www.panthers.com/assets/docs/2010/100828_ten@car_gamebook.pdf
And we ran 62 offensive plays, for 328 yds, an average of 5.3 yds each play. Didn’t seem like that, because we didn’t get in the EZ, did it? So the Offense wasn’t inept; they just couldn’t convert on their chances.
Greg Hardy was a force again.
1 sack, for an 8 yd loss, 3 TFL on running plays, and 3 QB hurries.
Another busy night.
I think the football gods may have decided to send us a replacement
for the million dollar man. Takes a pair to let your franchise sack leader walk out the door.
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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Peppers can have fun in Chitown i like our defense without him.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Damn, the Panthers pulled off a great draft, didn't they!
Right now Hardy is making the biggest impact, but my golly! Clausen, LaFell, Edwards, Norwood, Gettis, Pugh, even Stanford look like players.
We deff racked up this year especially since we didn’t have a #1 pick
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
and it's looking more and more
like spending that 1st on Brown was a good decision.
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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lol i know i was one of many fans cussing that we didn’t have that pick this year considering we had so many needs and the talent was so deep. We made the best with what we had. Lot of late round talent we picked up
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Clausen needs his shot i know its preseason but come on let the kid have his shot. If he does the same as Moore then fine its Moore’s job id he does better…which i think he will its his. Come on Fox dont be a tool like last year dont wait to make the switch after its too late. If he struggles against the Giants id pull him at halftime
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Matt Moore is not going to get Jake Delhomme rope if things start going bad fast, there was almost enough rope from last year to hang Foxy and his job in on the line too.
Moore will get the same opening day confidence that Rodney Peete got in my estimation. Though I highly, highly doubt Moore will start against the Giants like Peete did against the Jags 7 long years ago.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
There was a point i was calling for all three of their heads. Delhomme , Fox , and Davidson.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
nothing wrong with callin for Davidson's head
offense was not doin too well then and a lot of that was due to poor decision making on his part
Yup my only beef with fox was his undying loyalty to Jake. which in hindsight cost us our season.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 29, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Clausen vs. Moore: Round ∞
I really haven’t seen enough of Clausen yet to legitimately say I want him to start ahead of Moore. I also haven’t seen enough of Moore to say that I want Clausen to start ahead of him. I do want to know what Clausen would do with our starters though.
I think that’s the situation a lot of people are finding themselves in right now. It would be very hard to justify Moore getting benched unless he had an Eagles/Cardinals type of start. The problem for me is that I believe Clausen didn’t come in here with a chance to win the starting position; the competition was never truly open.
And to that end, I do wonder sometimes if Fox shot himself in the foot on that one. Clausen has been surprisingly good, there’s no doubt about it. But I don’t think he has been good enough to win himself a chance to unseat Moore. All we’re left with is a bunch of “what if” wonderings that have no real answers.
Either way, this anemic offense has got to stop.
Thats the thing fair fight round for round Clausen will come out on top majority of the time. He has the talent of a franchise QB. Matt Moore has the talent of a back up. It is that simple to me. I want what is best for the team and im not real confident Matt Moore is it. Offense sure doesn’t seem like it either. Still its young in the season i could be completely wrong and if i am i will admit when the time comes but as of now i think we are counting down the snaps before it is Jimmy’s team
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Disagree completely
First of all sorry for the long post but this is something I feel somewhat heated about.
The best chance to win this season is with Moore, not Clausen. I don’t think what we’ve seen so far in the preseason is really a true representation of the offense. Right now Moore is more polished and has a better command of the playbook and huddle. Several reporters have indicated that Moore looked better in practice and training camp, even saying if you removed numbers and names(to remove bias) Moore would’ve been the pick everyday.
People say that they feel that Clausen isn’t be given a fair shot. I actually think that really Moore isnt being given a fair shot, especially as far as his career is concerned. Clausen is a highly touted prospect, by de facto he will get a chance at some point. I don’t see a point in rushing it. Moore has done everything you could ask from a qb in the Panthers system; win and not turn the ball over. I think it would be a terrible mistake to yank Moore after a few games, give him some time. After Moore took over last year the offense shot up 5pts a game from 18-23 and the offense he has this year is basically the same. Leading me to the conclusion that part of the problem is a lack of Smith and Stewart.
I hate to mention this because I hate the team but the Cowboys 1st team offense has only scored 1td and that was after being gift-wrapped the ball on the 8yd line after a fumble. Thats a team that has been top7 offense 4 years running. Its the PRESEASON. I believe that if you sent Clausen out with the first team it would send the wrong message. If Clausen is truly our qb of the future then he’ll be the qb for the next 15yrs but right now at least the first half of the season should belong to Moore. He has earned at least that much. Give the man a chance with a fully functional offense before you judge him too harshly. You’ll probably get to see 3qts of Jimmy next game any way. I think in lots of ways its too easy to look at a draft position for a projection of greatness. Some of the best qbs in football history have the talent of a “back up” but they did something on a consistent basis that a lot of “franchise qbs” didn’t and that was WIN. Really all I want is for Moore to actually get the support of the fanbase that he should. If he starts playing like crap when the real bullets start flying well then so long bye bye but until then Matt Moore is my QB and Jimmy Clausen is just a highly paid clipboard holder.
I’m not counting down the snaps before Jimmy starts but the seconds until the season starts.
by sperk on Aug 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A couple things...
First of all, that quote you’re referencing (about names and numbers) was from the 2nd day of training camp. So of course Moore is going to look more polished. Clausen admitted that the lights didn’t come on until about 2 weeks ago or so. I believe it was right before the Ravens game.
Secondly, it’s undeniable that Clausen never had a chance to win the starting job. Fox practically came out and said it. “Moore is our starter.” I’m not saying Clausen should be the starter; I’m just saying that he was never actually given a chance to prove he could be. I’m also not really saying this is a bad thing either. It’s just a fact; interpret it how you will.
Third, we have no obligation to “enhance” Moore career. Moore should prove that he deserves the right to be the starting QB, so all that nonsense about Moore not being a fair shot is a load of crap.
Additionally, my problems with Moore come more from the tendencies I see from him. He’s not particularly accurate. He has a bad habit of missing his target (usually overthrowing, but also underthrowing too). His problems against the 3-4 defense still, in my mind, have not been rectified. Where Clausen went up to the pocket and called out coverage, changed plays, and showed tremendous pocket presence, Moore did not. He fumbled (twice, I think?) due to not seeing a blitz coming his way. It’s those kinds of things that make me scratch my head and wonder.
Finally, I really don’t care what the Cowboys are doing. Let them figure out their own problems. I’m more worried about ours.
If Moore steps up on day one, I’ll be the first to sing his praises. But call me skeptical of our offense at this point. And there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s legitimate criticism. Clausen hasn’t been perfect either (he has a bad habit of telegraphing his throws…). What I will not do is put on some rose-colored specs and think to myself everything is just going to be peachy.
Im not biased towards Moore or Clausen....
All i know is watching both men the past 3 games Clausen looks like he has a better handle on our offense then Moore. Better throws as well. Both have had there issues but Clausen has had ever less to work with then Moore and has done just as well if not better. He has put together some of the best drives of the preseason. The fanbase doesn’t owe anything to Moore no more then we did with Delhomme. If there is a better man for the job then thats just how it is. 3 games and our offense has looked non existent. Moore missed just as many throws as he made the last game. Maybe he turns it on during the season but if not i say bring in the kid and lets see what he can do
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I promised myself I wouldn't contribute to making this is a Moore v. Clausen thread.
Especially not on an opinion basis — we’ve had a bunch of them, and anyway, you and others who see it differently than I are entitled to yours, same as I am.
But when you misstate facts, after I’ve been so careful to put the raw data out there, I must demur.
When you say Clausen has “put together some of the best drives of the preseason,” I’d like you to substantiate those, because it just ain’t a fact. For example, in this Titans game, he only came in for Series #12 and #13, as detailed above, which I’m sure you read. Series #12 began at the Titans’ 23, and 8 plays later, we kicked a FG from the Titans’ 23. I grant you he completed 2 passes, and had to put up with 4 False Start penalties, but any way you look at it, it’s no “drive.” On Series #13, there were also 8 plays, starting at our 34, and culminating with the FG from their 8. Now the casual observer, reading the paper but not seeing the game (I know that’s not you, because my read of the live game thread shows you were there in earnest, castigating Moore all the way), might incorrectly attribute those 58 yards of progress to the QB (indeed Gantt, in the Observer, refers to the “50 yard pass from Clausen”) — but c’mon, you and I and everybody on this blog know that’s not true. 47 of those 50 yards are directly attributable to one man, and one alone, and it’s not Clausen. Gary Barnidge took a simple 3-yd out pass from Clausen, and by sheer force of will, broke 3 tackles single-handedly, and without downfield blocking, got 47 YAC on his own. Sure, it goes in the books as a 50 yd completion for the QB, and helps Clausen to achieve a “Rating” of 118.8 for the game, but let’s all face it, that play that Barnidge made (the extra 47 of it) was all but 32 of Clausen’s total for the game.
You see what I’m getting at? Sure, those were two series that took 8 plays each. But they were hardly “drives” that you should laud Clausen for.
Back to the Jets game for his “drives”?
He played 7 series, starting at 14:20 of Q3. Series #8, we kicked a FG after netting 7 yds on 3 plays. Series #9, we went 36 yds and punted. Series #10, we went 21 yds and punted. Series #11, we went 3 and out and punted, after his 3rd down pass was too low, and incomplete. Series #12, we went 26 yds, and again, we punted. Series #13, we stayed on the field for 9 plays, but it covered only 41 yds, and finished with his throwing an interception. It also featured his 14 yd run, and 4 incompletions. He was 2 for 7 on that “drive” he led, including his turnover. Lastly, Series #14, his last “drive,” was 4 plays long, and netted (-9) yds. It was comprised of a pass thrown in the ground for an incompletion, a spike, and his taking 2 sacks.
His “drives” are an illusion, promulgated by his spin-doctors.
And your other statement (sounds like fact, but it isn’t) that “Moore missed just as many throws as he made the last game” is blatantly false, and you should know we can read the box score. Moore was 18 for 33, and I’m not including drops, where he made the throws, but didn’t get to count them as completions.
You state you’re “not biased towards Moore or Clausen,” but every post on the live game thread showed you are. Sure, have your opinion of how good Clausen can be in the future, but stick to the facts when describing his present day “heroics.”
by bigdavis on Aug 30, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Im not the type to break every game down to every nano second. I got better things to do. eyeball test Clausen has looked better than Moore. neither have been stellar. higher ceiling id go with Clausen that is all. you have your opinion i have mine and sometimes you just got to agree to disagree. Lets see how things play out this season.
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Those are fair statements, and I agree to that disagreement.
I do have the time; I can’t imagine anybody who isn’t retired (and obsessed/addicted to the Panthers’ success, as I am) would. ;)
Your eyeball test is subjective, and may be very justified in time. But right now, stating the facts wrong doesn’t pass the smell test. I just didn’t want those readers who didn’t have the chance to actually SEE the game, to get the wrong impression as to what really happened.
Neither Moore nor Clausen has had fair chances to show all they can do, given the penalties (11 in one game – sheesh!), drops, substitutions, and dictates of the preseason that belie our normal playbook philosophies. 38 pass attempts, vs 23 rushes (Titans game) is hardly how we’ll approach the regular season, is it?
Have a good day. Go, Panthers!
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No Armanti Love in the comments section?
Edwards is leading the team’s WR in receptions with 7. He has had a first down catch every preseason game as well.
The smoke route catch for the FD was a nice glimpse of Edwards’ play-making abilities.
In Series #10, I noted that he made a nice juke and stiff-arm.
…or were you saying no-one else had commented on it?
He’s made a good contribution, in the few chances he’s had at WR, especially when considering he’s just learning a new position.
Yeah i read your summary, and as always did a thorough and balanced job
I specifically said no love in the comments section.
As quick as so many have been to talk poorly of Armanti, especially after his PR duty mistakes, i was (not) surprised to see little (to no) recognition of the his pre-season accomplishments so far.
If Edwards just hadn’t muffed that 1 fair catch i think people would be much higher on him. A PR muff is glaring error and despite what others are saying, i feel it is important to get him more reps as a returner. If the team totally dissolves that part of the Armanti project after the home opener, then they are doing a disservice to the organization.
Armanti's progress as a receiver is noteworthy no doubt
And you know I bleed black and gold just as much as you do, but I disagree with your statement on continuing to get him some PR reps.
The Panthers need him more as a WR than a PR, and since he needs development in both aspects, I feel they should focus on making him into a productive WR first. Once he has a handle on running good routes, securing the ball, and getting separation, then maybe you start working him more as a PR or KR. The skills he will learn in his WR training will carry over to his PR duties, and he will be in a better mental place to make plays.
PR is a very high pressure job for a rookie, especially one that has never carried the duties before. If you mess up and muff a punt, then suddenly what should have been a change in possession quickly becomes the equivalent of a huge deep ball by the offense. It can really suck the life out of a team, and hurt the confidence of the player, especially one who is just learning this aspect of the game.
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The skills he will learn in his WR training will carry over to his PR duties,
I’m not so sure about that. Returning kicks is requires a skill set of its own. Generic WR duties don’t really overlap with return skills. Plus, i’ve said all along that i thought Armanti would be more suited to KR than PR. I did both in my football career, and they are very different. I hated PR (for the very reasons you listed above), but loved KR (you get 20 yards or so as a buffer to catch the ball, make your reads, and then your cuts).
Additionally, completely removing a rookie from PR duty after a muffed punt and a a miscommunication with his blockers seems like a sure fire way to wound a player’s confidence.
And i do not agree with the idea that some have on here that Armanti needs to focus strictly on WR skills. As i have said before, if the Panthers wanted strictly a WR, then they should have drafted one. They didn’t. They drafted Armanti, and he has a much wider skill set than your typical WR. So to fully use him to his potential, then the team needs to find other ways to get the ball in his hands besides passing it to him — be that returning kicks, or wildcat type trick plays.
In the lineup as a WR, he will eventually be used to take advantage of those skill sets.
I’m sure there’ll be some trickeration plays put in for him, maybe not wildcat, per se, but I can visualize him in the slot, put in motion, then taking the handoff, with the option of turning it up, or throwing downfield, to a sprinting Steve Smith.
Oh, the excitement!
"Additionally, completely removing a rookie from PR duty after a muffed punt and a a miscommunication with his blockers seems like a sure fire way to wound a player’s confidence."
I agree with that and was surprised they didn’t have him return a couple on Saturday. In fact I heard several reports that Fox said he would be used on PR duty vs the Titans. I wonder if something happened in the pregame warmups to change things or it was just a case of getting a look at Trent Guy before the first round of cuts.
I could have literally killed someone at this point:
9:57, 3and2, Tenn 15. False start on 73/MacBern
9:40, 3and7, Tenn 20. False start on 65/Wms.
9:30, 3and12, Tenn 25. False start on 71/Davis.
I thought for sure I was about to see Clausen —> LaFell fade route to the corner of the endzone. Then this garbage… =)
A I said later, kudos to Clausen for keeping his cool.
He must’ve been livid. False starts on 4 of the first 6 plays he’s in the game.
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My previous comment was supposed to be in reply to Newsinz comment that these posts are fantastic. I’m still trying to figure this stuff out. While I record the games and watch them 2-3 times until the next game, The time and effort required to break down each play must be significant and it is greatly appreciated.
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