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Titans vs Panthers: Thoughts from the cheap seats

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Last night we were blessed with a beautiful evening for football.  It was temperate, there wasn't a lot of wind, and the crowd was roaring and ready for football.  The only sign of preseason was the empty seats.  But it was football, and me and my buddy sat in the upper deck and watched the action from start to finish.  It was a slow-paced game, without a lot of offense on either side of the ball.  That gave me a lot of time to sit and think.

A few years ago Florida played Ohio State for the National Championship.  When they hit the field, it wasn't long before you noticed a real difference between the Ohio State offense and the Florida defense.  The Gators were just plain faster.  The ball didn't go anywhere without several Florida players converging on it, and the Buckeyes couldn't get a thing going.  Speed killed.

That's the way I feel about the current Panther defense.  They just look faster than the other guys.  I haven't seen a group this fast in years.  That's not going to automatically make them world-beaters, and it remains to be seen if they have enough leadership to keep them together when things get tight. But if I had my choice, I would take the speed.

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The line seems to like it too--they're rushing with reckless abandon.  Gone are the days when Kemo dug his heels in and tried to move the pocket back.  Now you have Leonard, Tyler, Johnson, & Landri doing their best to ignore the pocket and just get to the QB.  Charles Johnson looks great on both the inside and outside, Brown has gotten some strength to go with his speed, and Hardy is just fine playing with the ones.  This group looks to have gone from a team concern to a team strength.

Dan Connor deserves his own call-out as well.  He looked like another 55 out there, but without the concussions.  When he was in the game, he was with the ball, usually for little or no gain.  He's showing amazing instincts in the middle.  He's still sitting when the Panthers line up in the nickel.

Beason is starting to look like he's played the weak side his entire career.  He made several nice plays.  I didn't hear Anderson's name called, but the Linebackers as a unit were very solid.

And once again, all of the blitzing came from the Linebackers.  Remember when Trgovac would send Marshall in on a blitz that had him running 15-20 yards before he made contact with anyone?  Not this defense--they bring a Linebacker up to the line and just bring pressure at the snap.  And they've got the speed to keep the coverage.

Speaking of speed, when did Charles Godfrey's light come on?  I know it's preseason, but I've never seen him play so well.

Offense is another issue entirely.  As prepared as the defense looked, the offense didn't.  The penalties were bad enough, but even when they got their play going they didn't look particularly comfortable.  Our offensive line got no push at all, and the backs couldn't buy a hole.  Someone needs to tell me again about all the talent we have on the line, because I don't feel like I saw much last night.

Still, the big concern isn't on the line but instead at Quarterback.  A lot of people will say receiver, but once again Matt Moore looked tentative out there, stared down his receivers, and made some really interesting decisions.  Moore definately likes his tight ends more than Delhomme ever did.  But he's not playing well. 

Clausen looks far more comfortable under center, and has more presence.  But he's a rookie, and clearly isn't ready to take the team.  But if Moore doesn't get his groove back, I wouldn't be surprised to see a change by mid-season.  My buddy is a Steeler fan who doesn't really know the Panthers well, and he didn't understand why Clausen isn't starting already.

Last night Moore's accuracy, particularly on longer balls, was just suspect.  Maybe everybody's running the wrong routes, maybe he doesn't have faith in anyone, but he just isn't throwing with authority and he doesn't really look anything like he did last fall.  On the other hand, when he did lay it right in there the receivers dropped it more often than not. 

Which brings us to Brandon LaFell.  I think he's going to be the starter, solely based on how well he moves without the ball.  He's got good game speed, his cuts are crisp and he's physical.  And this week it was his turn to make the routine look difficult and the difficult look routine.  He dropped an easy throw from Moore, and then made a diving one-hand grab on a terrible pass that had the Stadium rocking.  Take comfort in the fact that he's a rookie, and will probably improve.

Someone who hasn't improved is Dwayne Jarrett.  For whatever reason, he just couldn't get open.  What's the point of having great hands if the Quarterback won't throw it to you?  Well Dwayne, as long as you don't get any separation, the Quarterback will continue to look elsewhere.  Unless it's Moore and you're a Tight End, maybe. 

It was genuinely disappointing that Armanti Edwards wasn't given another opportunity to return punts.  Trent Guy did ok, but we've been using guys who do ok for far too long.  We need someone who's a threat to go more than ten yards when he catches the ball, and Guy isn't that.  Edwards might be, and he needs as much practice as possible to find out.  He did catch a few passes though, and looks comfortable out there, but he's still going to take time.

Special Teams were good for the first time in a long time.  In the off-season a lot was made about bringing in better special teams players, but until now it wasn't really apparent.  Last night the coverage was good, the kicking game was great, and we actually got a long return for a touchdown.  Here's hoping it carries over to the regular season!

The third preseason game is where you're supposed to game-plan and come up with some schemes that look like your regular season stuff.  If that's what we saw last night, we're in trouble.  The Defense is ready, and Special Teams no longer look like an embarrassment.  Based on last night, that role looks to have been taken over by the offense.

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Matt Moore was doing his freaking out thing a couple times

as son as i start seeing him get that shakey, run, stop, look, uggghhh, run, throw! I crap my pants. it is so friggin scary. if he does that in the regular season and throws it to Rosario in tripple coverage…im going to kick his ass.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually,

I think it was to K. Moore. (the long pass right?) To be fair in that instance, Kenny had about ten yards of separation when Matt decided to throw. It he hadn’t thrown off his back foot, it would’ve had a chance to be a 50+ yard play. Decent decision, horrible execution. Which for the most part, descibes 80% of the offense this preseason.

by Scrantsj on Aug 29, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

I just remember the number starting with an 8 and no one around him, before i looked back at the play.

by Scrantsj on Aug 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fox and Hurney are bloody brilliant. We get Jamar Williams before TD goes down, and we draft Clausen before Moore looks horribly shaky.

by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Matt Moore is a backup QB or a Poor Man's Romo LOL.

Well I have tried to listen to the fans, media, coaches, etc… but from what I have seen matt moore is nothing more than a poor man’s T. Romo and nothing more than a backup QB. Jimmy Clausen is going to take the job and run with it, Moore just hasn’t looked comfortable. I mean facts are facts that Moore has only won when the season was already over the past couple of years. Now with that said I wish Moore all the luck in the season opener and the first leg or hump of the regular season but I just don’t see him keeping Clausen off the field. Now I am not saying Clausen is Montana or anything but he has the prescence and seems more at ease on the field. Moore loves the TD’s b.c. I believe he is afarid to throw it outside to WR’s on go routes, curls, etc… Looks for me like Moore is playing not to make a mistake at list point which is a crucial error on his part and the crappy Davidson regime .

Jamar Williams looked good last night and Goodson finally showed what he can do given the opportunity. Sutton looked nice on the forced fumble on ST I just hope he was not hurt to badly. B. LaFell well be the next Moose he just needs time which is the only reason why the Panthers are going to keep Dwayne Jarrett for the final year of his contract. LaFell needs to time to learn more about routes, catching the football on easy plays (nice one handed catch last night though and another over the middle). W. Wright needs to stick to special teams and the idea of him starting makes me laugh. It is okay to be a great special teams player but a starting or even #4 WR he is not.

PR – still sucks as does the coverage for them; I mean special teams are at least serviceable this season but they are far from great. PR ’s well we have zero in my book and Trent “Freaking” Guy are you kidding me ? So typical of John Fox simply put we just need to stick A. Edwards back their and take over lumps and bumps throughout the season b/c he was drafted for that purpose and to eventually if nothing else take the #3 WR job and perhaps one day replace Smitty although from what I have seen that is not happening anytime soon. Edwards did have a couple of nice catches last night especially on the bubble screen.

Defense is a true strength of this team and if I was C. Irvin I would be nervous b/c with the way Landri is playing I think his time as a Panther is over. Irvin has shown nothing and offers less. Granted he was hurt last year and this season is just like his rookie one that was cut short however he disappears on the field. He was drafted way to early a couple of years ago and I vote we just let him walk their are better opts already on the team and on the free agent market that are cheaper. I we are just dying to keep him the put him on the PS squad. Charles Johnson, T. Brayton, E. Brown, L. Leonard, G. Hardy, E. Norwood, J. Williams, E. Johnson, E. Moore, D. Conner, J. Beason (WLB~now), and more . R. Meeks deserves a huge hug from all of Panther nation for being a great D-coordinator that flys way under the radar as he did in Indy.

Personally I cannot wait until the final preseason game to get a better look at Hunter Cantwell vs Tony Pike. Which one will make the cut and if we place Pike on the PS squad he is going to be immediately claimed due to his upside although he is a project. Really I would stick Cantwell back on the PS and keep Pike on the 53 man roster keeping four QB’s and two kickers make zero sense to me although it may happen b/c last night on TV the annoucers already hinted the T. Carter is going to make the team to protect Kasay’s health. Go figure that one haven’t seen much of Carter but he doesn’t look that great to me. We should have gotten S. Graham back to do kick offs. An Jason Baker deserves the game ball again to me, his leg is already in mid season form due to the crappy offense. I have a feeling he is going to be getting alot of work for this upcoming season.

GO Panthers

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I disagree on Wallace Wright.

I think he’s done a good job at receiver this preseason. He made one outstanding catch along the sideline in this game, keeping two feet inbounds. I think he provides good depth.

I also think Carter did a good job in this game. All of his kicks were in the endzone, I think, and one was booted out of the endzone. He might deserve a roster spot if he can keep it up. I just think they’re running out of spots though. Eric Moore is almost a lock, so that would make five defensive ends. No one was expecting that. There’s only so many spots available.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Carter’s second kick (the one before the really long one) was short of the endzone by about 5 – 10 yards.

by Scrantsj on Aug 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s easy to say such and such person will take whoever’s spot, but when you actually try to come up with a 53 man roster, it’s really hard to find space for people.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points.

I disagree with this statement though.

So typical of John Fox simply put we just need to stick A. Edwards back their and take over lumps and bumps throughout the season b/c he was drafted for that purpose

It would be typical for Fox to keep putting him back there to screw up over and over again until he lost all confidence in himself and suffered a mental breakdown. (see Delhomme, Jake).

I applaud Fox for giving the kid a break from PR’s this week and just letting him get some reps at receiver.

by ALAC on Aug 29, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me, too.

He’s got his confidence back now.

by bigdavis on Aug 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confidence LOL !

What two catches ? On was a bubble screen ? How does that translate into confidence of being a decent WR and better yet as a PR ? Personally I think we should have never drafted him. Most people’s judgement is clouded by the fact that he is local kid and he went to ASU a’la Dexter Jackson who also sucks. A. Edwards is never going to replace Smitty and that is what they were hoping. I can say with alot of confidence that if you asked Hurney if he would draft Edwards that high again he would more than likely say no way. Could have had M. Gilyard who is just as good and has better hands due to the fact that he is a true WR and not a converted QB.

Confidence LOL ~ talk to me in a season or two and Edwards is no longer in the NFL similar to what D. Jackson is going to be after the last preseason game with us this year if not early.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Making plays helps any young football player, but especially one who is transferring to a new position.

Seriously, stop being so immature and obnoxious. It’s not funny.

by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 29, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

bottom line is Hurney knew he was a project when they drafted him.

not an all he needs is OTAs, then Training Camp then he’s ready project. A one to two year project. I don’t think a couple of muffed punts is making them regret their decision

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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Marshall did blitz and got a sack out of it.

Godfrey also blitzed. Meeks blitzes from lots of positions, not just the linebackers.

LaFell did not drop an easy pass from Moore. He barely got his fingertips on it when he jumped. That was way over his head. You can’t blame him for that. That’s the kind of thing I’ve been talking about all preseason. LaFell is just a victim of circumstance after circumstance this preseason. You all keep saying he should’ve done this or that, and it’s just not true ‘cause he’s done as good as you can ask of a receiver, minus one or maybe (emphasis on maybe) two plays. The passes have just been a matter of inches out of a reach of him realistically pulling it in.

I also disagree on your analysis of Jarrett. He has clearly improved a moderate amount to become an average pro talent, which is good. He burned whoever that was deep on one play. He has been getting open more than he has in the past. It’s still not consistent enough for my liking, but still.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Right about the blitzes

I made an awkward point, Meeks doesn’t blitz from the other side of the field. He brings the blitzer in close, and turns him loose at the snap. It’s nice to see us committing without trying to get cute about it. I don’t see him dropping a DT into coverage either. We’re playing way more straight-up stuff and just killing with speed, which is awesome.

The other thing I like about Connor is his sure tackling, BTW. I worry about a power back and what he can do to our defense, but our DTs still have good size, with Connor in the middle I think we’ll be fine against the run.

by Cyberjag on Aug 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Connor is a best, you're right.

He looks so spindly, but he plays like a truck. I’ve been very impressed with him.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Conner does remind me of Morgan and its not just the number

The way he tackles face first, the way he disrespects the runner as he slams him to the ground and gets up with attitude. Love that from a MLB. When TD comes back how do you sit Conner down? Make him a SLB? I guess we can worry about that later but that call will have to be made at some point

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by Jaxon on Aug 29, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

good problem to have

maybe we get creative. and run a Hybrid 3-4 ish package. it would look something like this

SLB Norwood MLB Connor MLB Beason WLB Davis
       
RE Tyler DT Leonard or E.Johnson LE E. Johnson, Brayton,Hardy,C.Johnson

really on both ends you cant get crazy creative. There is actually a ton of ways you could set it up. and I know people will say we dont have the personnel for it. But we really do. think of it as a 4-3 and we put Norwood in as a DE and Connor in at SLB and and slide the LBs over. that isnt crazy is it? now you mix all the guys we have in and out and you dont know who the hell is coming from where… or where to throw it because of that sweet Tampa 2…

we could make it work. having too many good LBs is not a bad problem

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is we don’t have a suitable nose tackle for this sort of defense. A NT in a 3-4 has to be able to take on 2 people at once, and I’m just not sure we can do that.

by aceofsween on Aug 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is off topic ...

… but is it against the rules for two linemen to pick up a little guy like Witherspoon and throw him at the QB?

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kamikaze blitz.

If done properly, they’d need a new projectile after every use lol.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we stock the PS with midg... I mean little people.

to play the projectile DB position lol. If anyone finds that offensive, go listen to the Andrew Dice Clay clip that’s posted in one of these active threads.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on

its funny he likes midgets its just a bit

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. That's all I'm sayin' about my comment. It's just a bit

going with blade. Not looking to offend nobody, hey.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry if it did thats not the intention

when i think of Dice Clay that is the first thing that comes to mind.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a base 3-4

the NT in a 4-3 has tow be able to take on two blockers as well btw.He lines up over the LG and C, RT blocks RE, RG blocks DT and RT blocks LE.

it is the same thing we just slide the LBs over a little.

think about it like this then… a 5DL-2LB-4DB Norwood and TD on the ends and they can blitz or drop back.Connor and Beason at LB and then go nuts with the 3 interior lineman.

sound better?

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do have a lot of speed, which makes me think we can run what my high school does.

It’s a 3-5 and it looks like this….
               

                 RILB MLB LILB

SLB RE NT LE WLB

The outside backers are called spurs, and they have to be versatile enough to bump out wide, but strong and fast enough to blitz. The inside backers are typically blitzing or covering the middle. There’s one safety back ten yards from the line, and two corners seven and two. Basically it relies on the line and linebackers to crash the middle and put pressure on the QB, the spurs to contain and force it into the middle, and the DB’s to not allow the big play. With that in mind, Beason and Davis would be spurs, Connor and probably Norwood linebackers in the base alignment and coverage. We might even be able to get away with Everette Brown in the middle with a blitz look, if not throw Williams or Anderson in there. We’d need a disruptive DT who could hold the POA, but Charles Johnson could fill in, with Brayton and Hardy at end. Gamble and Marshall out at corner, with Martin in at safety because of his ball hawking skills. I think this could work.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hang on.

Formation messed up.
                                                            FS

CB CB

                                            RLB MLB LLB
                   
               ROLB RE NT LE LOLB

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

argh!

I need to hit preview before I post.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use periods.

…CB………………………………………….CB
…………..DE…..DT…..DT…..DE

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

hit post too soon. >_>

Maybe my posting privileges need to be revoked?..lol Let’s try this again.

                                          FS

CB………………………………………………………………….CB
………………………..RLB………MLB…….LLB…….
…ROLB………..RE………………NT…………LE………LOLB

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

FS directly behind the MB

but close enough. XD

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

if our linebackers are performing aptly for the first couple games

i can see TD being traded as there are obvious injury concerns with someone that has had two ACL tears… his value is still really high and we might be able to get a great draft pick for him

by vitzeng on Aug 29, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conner is a tackling machine

he closes fast and brings them down. I’ve been very impressed with him so far.

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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I really like Connor right now. he looks awesome at Mike

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Lafell

There’s a rule of thumb for receivers, if you get two hands on the ball you should catch it. He improved last night, but he still has a lot of work to go. Moose could have made that catch.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Define two hands.

All I saw were fingertips. Name one receiver who can catch a ball with their fingertips while it’s zooming past them. I just don’t agree at all with the criticism towards LaFell.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe in 2004

Moose wasn’t coming anywhere near catching that ball last year. :)

by Cyberjag on Aug 29, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only because he's slow. :D

He still had the hands to do it.

I saw fingertips on both hands, good enough for me. Agree to disagree.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay ?

Would you rather have D. Jarrett or A. Byrant ? Other post claims that the Bengals are close to releasing Byrant and really Bengals don’t need him anymore anyway with TO – OchoCinco show along with other criminals and jokes on their team.

So who would you take ?

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

No thanks to Bryant.

He’s got and injury history and a bad attitude history. I don’t see him being a Panther. In terms of sheer skills though, I think Bryant is superior to Jarrett.

by ALAC on Aug 29, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on that

It seems like sooo many teams are stacked at WR and we have just 1. lol

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

we are getting there though I guess. We have 3 projects going on right now… it would be nice to have a real established threat opposite Smitty. Something we have never had..

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true, which means we'll be watching the waiver wire...

that’s the good part. The bad part is if we pick up a veteran or “more ready” young guy, it increases the quandary about who we keep. D’d if you do, D’d in you don’t.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

lets see. Smith,VJackson, Jarrett, LaFell, Edwards, Gettis.

If Wright is on IR then boom.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and have to wait till round 3 to draft someone?

I’m fed up of not seeing the Panthers on first round mock drafts. Plus I think that Rivers just made him look better than he is.

by jojoisthemann on Aug 29, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rivers is extremely accurate.

I guess we’ll find out pretty soon. If Floyd has a monster season then it might be the QB. At this point, it’s sort of a “chicken or the egg” kind of deal. I think VJax is the real deal.

by ALAC on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Rivers been doing his thing for many years…. Vincent has been for what, 1 year?

Rivers has proven he is an elite QB

GSO

by MikeTrain on Aug 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Must be a N.C. State fan.

I don’t think I said anything derogatory about Rivers. I believe Rivers is a top 8 QB in the league. I was simply pointing out that it might not be all of one and non of the other. I do believe that VJax is the real deal. In his last three seasons as a starter, he has gotten progressively better. Over 1,000 yards receiving the last two years with a 17.2 yard per catch average.

by ALAC on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Bryant was released from the Bengals today.

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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen that from Jarrett

And i’ve been a total skeptic about him starting. Moore missed him on a pretty long TD pass early in the game. Jarrett had 3-4 yards of separation. That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised to see LaFell start, his upside seems to be insanely high.

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by Smitty89 on Aug 29, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't see that much separation

He was in position to make a nice play, no doubt. But that was just one play. He doesn’t make himself into the target he should be. The guy’s got amazing hands, but there’s way more to being a receiver.

by Cyberjag on Aug 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great breakdown Cyberjag

Honestly, I have no idea what happened to Matt Moore in the 1st half. It wasn’t until the 3rd quarter when he was against the 2nd team Titans’ defense that he got anything going at all:

1st half: 11/23, 106 yards, 61.14 rating
3rd quarter: 7/11, 84 yards, 86.93 rating

I hope it was just getting his bearings, not that he couldn’t move the ball unless it was against a substandard defense…. but time will tell.

The defense looks amazing. As it stands we’re:
- 1st in the NFL in yards allowed, with over 50 yards less per game than the #2 team.
- 1st in the NFL in passing yards allowed, with almost 40 less passing yards per game than the #2 team.
- 2nd in the NFL against the run
- 2nd in the NFL in points allowed

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by James Dator on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Hard to find a complaint with the defense.

All those JAGs create one monstrous Pro Bowl talent.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

JAGs or GIWs?

Guys In Wait

I was always optimistic about the defense because of Meeks’ ability to adapt (see the adjustments post Thomas Davis) but if you told me 3 months ago that we’d put up the above stats and 16 team sacks in 3 games without Davis, moving Beast to LOLB and starting Dan Connor in the middle… I would have thought you insane.

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by James Dator on Aug 29, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

you would have thought to yourself

“Homer”

Call me what you want but… we have the Number 1 D!

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~Winston Churchill

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

that is what Moore does...

i dont friggin know why but for some reason it takes the guy a quarter or a half to get his shit together. i dont like that at all.

Our D is going to perform their best when we are up. So that means we need to score early and often. and then our opponents will beat themselves. but in order for this to work Moore needs to complete passes in the first quarter! the run sets up the pass and the pass sets up the run. If he cant throw the ball to a reciever in the first quarter then we will be in trouble. The box will get stcked with 8 and they will just blitz to shut down the run and put the pressure on Moore.

If we had a passing attack that was to be respected, we would be unstoppable! That beautiful draw play would be 10x more effective. Dwill and Jstew would break off MONSTER gains. If we catch them cheating up to stop the run, we audible, playaction, gouge the D with Smitty or Barnidge, big gain or a touchdown.

This is what needs to happen. This.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also think it would help if we would run a few more RB screens.

There have been at least a dozen times in the past two games where the defense cheated up then brought the house. A little dump off screen would have been good for huge gains. Instead, it seems like Moore is either not changing the play or calling an audible for a mid to long range pass. The results have been less than stellar.

by ALAC on Aug 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Screens would be nice

we have ran a few of them, but I think they looked sloppy.

and some effective audibles from Moore would be nice to see.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

We tried one to Sutton last game, and he fell down.

It would’ve gained 30+, and Moore’s numbers would have looked great, like Clausen’s did this game, because Barnidge turned a 3 yd pass into 50.

And we tried one this game, to Fiammetta, and he dropped it.

The second pass of the game was a swing to Williams, and it gained 6.

Can’t find it my notes right now, but I recall another to Goodson, that gained pretty good, too.

These may be more flat passes than true screens, but there are OL men pulling on each.

by bigdavis on Aug 29, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good examples.

We had one really nice screen last night to Sutton that went for around 20 yds. These are great plays against the blitz or a stacked line. I guess it also depends on the personnel on the field. The backs have got to look it in and head north.

by ALAC on Aug 29, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goodson ran the pass to the flat well

He’s a good outlet receiver for sure

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by Jaxon on Aug 29, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

well when did he start missing?

I know he looked like the first half Moore at some point during the first half.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

that sounds kinda dick..

I didnt mean it like that. My feed of the game started late. Im not sure when I came in but I was getting frustrated fast

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

See my Offensive Grades post, just out.

Every offensive play is covered, with no names removed to protect the guilty.

by bigdavis on Aug 29, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

James, where are you getting those stats. I want to look at the defenses we've played

against. Just guessing, but I’m thinking the Titans may be pretty highly rated as well.

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by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

16th overall

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

28th against the pass, 4th against the run.

but they played Seattle and Arizona their first two games.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

no problem

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected. Thank you, sir, for the information.

Explains why we couldn’t run, but passing game should have clicked more consistently. Duh.

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by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that they were

guess what we are ;)

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

figgin A!

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess...

Considering we’re short a man, we only have to drop 4 on the 1st cut. I think these guys won’t make that cut; DE – Hilee Taylor, C – Andrew Crummey, RB – Dantrell Savage, TE – Jamie Petrowski.

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by Cold Steel on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah Petitti can go

Only guys on the OL that should make it past this first cut is the starting 4, Mack Bern, Schwartz, Williams, Robinson. cut 5 on the 31st and pick up a center and a tackle.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

or 6 you know what i mean

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would keep Taylor

and drop a WR. Martin or young or guy. one of them.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Bsed on what?

Taylor hasn’t done anything this year, has he?

by Cyberjag on Aug 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we know.

To my knowledge he hasn’t seen the field in the preseason. The only ones who know are the ones who went to training camp. I think he should’ve trained with Brown during the offseason. He probably would be better off by now if he had.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i havent seen him.

but just on speed and ability. i have liked him when I have seen him before and I think he could contribute in this scheme.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if he could, those that make the decisions would be playing him

Brown is faster, Johnson is stronger, Hardy is both. Taylor just isn’t good enough to earn time, or he would have by now.

by Cyberjag on Aug 29, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

but they could just be seeing what they have. all these other guy are new. but he would hurt for depth.

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know. Roster spots are going to be scarce, as always. Unless Taylor's

a ST beast, I can’t see him making it. He’s unfortunate to be on a team that’s loaded at his position. Brown, Johnson, Hardy, Brayton, and the other guy that’s been tearing it up whose name escapes me.

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by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Moore

I need to do a 53

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, tanks fer dat.

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by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Moore is going to take his spot.

Eric Norwood would have anyways.

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by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think they might

hold on to all of those receivers to take one last hard look at all of them in the final preseason game. Let’s face it, when the cuts shake out, don’t think any one of those 4 have a snowballs chance in hell of making the roster or practice squad.

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by Cold Steel on Aug 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they will keep them just because they need the bodies for the 4th game

which sucks cuz you are right about their chances

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts

Moore has a tendency to miss high. When he missed his receivers, it was constantly from overthrowing. Several other plays he did underthrow, but the tendency is to miss high. On the other hand, he throws a very nice strike every now and then. He had a lot of deflected passes though.

WRs stepped up a bit. LaFell can play. He made a couple really nice plays. Armanti added a few as well. Didn’t see Jarret doing much, but I might have missed it.

Sadly, they couldn’t put a drive together for a score, but Smith and Stewart might be enough to give us that little push for a score. We got very close there several times. I think 2 of those drives would go for TDs with those two weapons in the game.

Seriously… is our defense for real? Are we really this good? I can’t wait to find out. We lead the league by a wide margin (~180 to 235 yards per game for us and the #2 Vikings? that’s ~55 yard difference). We lead in sacks, yards, passing yards, and are 2nd in rushing yards.

by aceofsween on Aug 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Again, it's just the preseason...

…but of the top 5 defenses, 4 are playing the 4-3. I wouldn’t have expected that.

by Mr_Sticky on Aug 29, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

i think that can be attributed to the fact that the 3-4 D's are hiding their exotic packages

i think we can reasonably expect by the end of the year at least 8-10 of the top 15 D’s are 3-4 (with panthers defying the odds at #1 )

by vitzeng on Aug 29, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

More teams are playing the 3-4

So players who are suited for it are suddenly more distributed throughout the league. Players who are suited for the 4-3 (and there are more of them to begin with) are suddenly a little more concentrated. Consider Tyler—he’s a victim of KC’s switch to a 3-4.

by Cyberjag on Aug 29, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on the injury to Wallace Wright?

Any updates?

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by Cold Steel on Aug 29, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

No break

MRI tomorrow… so it’s either really good or really bad.

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by James Dator on Aug 29, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why hasn't Witherspoon had more opportunity returning punts/kicks?

Last night he showed that he has good hands, and can also serve as a backup DB.

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by southtunnel on Aug 29, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

i would love to know the answer to this

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we get more screen passes to Goodson?

We all know he can excel in the “change of pace” role. I can’t remember every seeing him with a decent run up the middle. But when he catches our of the backfield it’s almost always a 1st down. Fox should have a couple plays like this every game.

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by southtunnel on Aug 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

+ 1 and a bunch of zeroes

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by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the idea, so long as we don't telegraph it

If Goodson could block at all a two RB backfield with Goodson and either Williams or Stewart would be a very nice gadget package.

Lest teams in the league know that Goodson = screen

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by James Dator on Aug 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he planted Ray Lewis on his ass last year...

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by STEVEN 785 on Aug 29, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Goodson alone defenses would still have to decide between 3 options

We’d only be telegraphing that we’re not likely running up the gut. Screen passes are often disguised to look like longer passes. So we could go deep, short to Goodson, or hand it off and let him bounce it outside.

NO more or less did this successfully with Bush

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by southtunnel on Aug 29, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second String RB's

Goodson and Sutton both looked pretty good tonight in their own areas. Sutton had a huge hit on that KO and caused a fumble, I didn’t see that coming.

by SDcarolinafan on Aug 29, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Sutton and Goodson are like polar opposites

Sutton can run up the middle. But he’s not that shifty, and can’t speed past anyone around the edges. Goodson can’t get a yard up the middle, but can do all that other stuff. Too bad we can’t morph the 2.

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by southtunnel on Aug 29, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

We already have. Twice in fact.

It’s called Double Trouble. :)

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

PATIENCE

Hey guys I read this blog everyday and you all makes a lot of good points and with that I will say this. Remember last year Meeks’ first season our D looked PITIFUL, right? Well about mid-season that started coming on and gelled, and were AWESOME down the stretch but it was too little too late. Now in regards to the Offense, it takes a little longer especially since we have so many new members, as well as missing Smitty and Stewart.
Now I think when we get all our guys back playing including Otah, our Offense will get it going. Yes, Moore has looked tentative at times but I think he will be fine we have the makings of a GREAT football team here and they are YOUNG to boot it’s all good. I am excited about having options at WR for the first time in a long time and we have options at QB for the first time in 7 years?
I AM a PANTHERS fan, I think we go 10-6 and make the playoffs if nothing else I am going to be optimistic because we have options we have not had in a long time and as for DEFENSE we have so many options there it ain’t funny. Cudos to Meeks, Hurney and Fox, for making an awesome draft, especially in the later rounds we stole some guys there. GO PANTHERS!!!!!

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