Panthers Strangle Titans 15-7 in Preseason Action
by Jaxon on Aug 28, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
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I'm not sure we answered all of our questions with the offense with this game but overall it was a better showing. We did answer some other questions though; in particular the return games looked much better. If we still had any concerns about the defense then those were answered tonight. The Panther defense swarmed the Titans including rushing champ Chris Johnson.
Here's my quick hits:
- I really like Trent Guy returns kicks though you won't see it in the stat book. He had a nice return nullified with a penalty
- The receivers looked better as Moore threw the ball to 10 different players; the rookies LaFell and Edwards played better; the leading receivers with 3 catches were Edwards, Rosario, and Gettis
- DE Charles Johnson is ready to be a beast! He had two sacks and looked unstoppable at times...more after the jump...
More analysis is to come. So let's hear it from you Panther fans. Happy with this performance?
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James, MMAPitbull, Jai6y6, patosan, and jojo – they can’t get enough of the young God.
I tell it like I see it
Works much better than being snarky with nothing to back it up I’ve found
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Aug 29, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Like you can’t get enough of your young god Moore?
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think some of the guys give him a bum rap, because thet want Clausen to play so badly.
Actually, I like Clausen, too, and think he shows a lot of potential. Especially loved the way he evaded the rush and completed a frozen rope of a pass to 81/KMoore (Q4, 10:20) for 18 yds. That was pro stuff.
But I’m here to defend Moore from all the nay-sayers, so long as he shows me leadership, energy, determination, and good passes. Despite the overthrow to Jarrett on the deep pass, and the one to Rosario in tight coverage, I still think he’s done well. And most of all, he IS our STARTING QB, and I’m behind him as long as he remains that.
But “young god Moore” is a little much. He’s never had the adulation that Clausen has, just been a blue-collar guy who’s made the most of his chances, and did pretty great things for us the end of last season. Opposite that is destiny’s child, Clausen, who a lot of people here have declared the heir apparent before he’s done a single thing in a meaningful NFL game, where there was something at stake. (Does that last phrase bring to mind all the caveats about Moore?)
What I saw from Moore last night in general...
Negative:
Off target on some passes (esp. long TD ball to Jarrett, high throw to Lafell, underthrow late to Rosario that was almost picked).
Positive:
Damn, he gets the ball out quick. Several times the pocket collapsed, and I thought he was going down, but he zipped it away. In most cases, he tried throwing lasers into coverage, but he threw where they wouldn’t be picked (and avoided the sacks).
Clausen is looking good, no argument here. He may win the job. But, I’m not putting our offensive woes entirely on Moore’s shoulders. There are plenty of things that still need fixing.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Fair enough
But coming into the open thread after the fact with no context of when comments were written during the game and making one sentence of snarky comments about how you perceive some of us to view Clausen as ‘god’ was completely over the top.
For two quarters last night Moore looked thoroughly mediocre, then fantastic for one quarter. Last night Clausen looked like the better quarterback… but last night Mike Goodson was the better running back, sure doesn’t mean I’m advocating him to start over D-Will.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Mediocre would be a generous description...
We had one third down conversion the entire first half. And most of our third downs were third-and-longs. Which means the passing offense wasn’t making plays. Who’s the leader of the passing offense? Moore, who’s going to carry the bulk of the praise when we play well, and the bulk of the criticism when we play poorly. I understand that better playcalling/execution on the first two downs would have made some of those easier to convert, but when the QB can’t get more than one in an entire half…..that’s disconcerting. He played well in the third quarter, but was that against guys he’ll be seeing in the regular season, or against guys that will be bagging groceries in two weeks?
by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 29, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
One has to wonder,
as has been said somewhere on here, how much are Moore’s struggles based on trying to get all the young receivers involved. Relative to the 30 rookie or unproven receivers we seem to have, Matt Moore is a known quantity to the coaching staff. So you have to wonder if some of their plan last night had to do with throwing the ball at these receivers at random and see how they react. I only remember one instance where Matt threw it at the same guy twice and that was because Armanti was open for a smoke route on what I assume was a running play by design.
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We all have our preferences and opinions
Some of us will be right now and wrong later, and so on and so forth. No need to make this into a doctrinal battle… I get enough of that at church. Tolerance maybe?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, you were saying something? ...
I was busy managing my vast collection of Jimmy Clausen football cards. ;-)
Seriously, I’m fully behind Moore at this point. As much as I like Clausen he’s not ready to take the reigns yet. He has some bad habits that need breaking, although our horrid 2nd team OL makes that more difficult.
That said, the offense really needs to get its act together though. This preseason has been completely pathetic for an offense that was supposed to be the strength of our team. Everyone on that side of the ball (including Moore) needs to improve rapidly a great deal.
Also, am I the only one beginning to get somewhat peeved every time I hear Gross or Moore talk about how they’re completely not worried and they just need to make a couple of small adjustments. To me, their attitude comes off as completely lackadaisical and ignores the reality that they haven’t scored a single TD all pre-season.
We can talk about how we’re missing Smitty and Otah, but really our offense should be bigger than two people and able to manage at least a couple of TDs.
In closing...
I think you’re being a little unfair to me. I was supportive of Moore last year even when many were bashing him.
It’s Moore’s job to score TDs and he hasn’t done it. Last season he showed he can play at an NFL level. This year, I’m expecting him to continue that level of play and improve. So far the offense as a whole as regressed. Also, the pre-season is for experimentation so I naturally like seeing Pickles, Pike, and Cantwell out there.
i'd give it to Hardy
consistency is key and through the preseason games he has won my trust
in his place, clausen gets my vote because with the little time he had, he did well enough to take the ball downfield (though no points due to missed FG)… there’s a good chance he would’ve had a TD but our o-line is acting a bit dysfunctional
Much more encouraged
I really feel like in the second half everything was finally coming together.
And remember, those false start/holding calls pretty much all came late in the second half, none from our starters. Some other things i noticed
-I officially have no concerns about the defensive line, Brown, Johnson, and Hardy all look amazing. I cant imagine when Brayton comes back, we will have 2 good DE’s on the field at all times
-Trent Guy should make the roster, along with Eric Moore
-LaFell looked good
-Dan Conner made a few good plays
-Witherspoon will make the roster, and may work his way into some important packages
-Captain Munnerlyn looked a little behind tonight
-And special teams was WAY better
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Why did you say that about Cap?
I only remember one play where he messed up. He didn’t look back at the ball on a long play down the sideline and his man beat him. The rest of the game he did fine. There were a couple plays where it seemed like a receiver got ahead of him and made the catch, but it wasn’t his fault ’cause they were in zone coverage and the receiver had just run out of his area when the ball was thrown. That was just good play calling by their offensive coordinator, and good recognition of where the zone was by their quarterback.
I don’t know why you folks are so high on Trent Guy. He has average to mildly above average speed for a pro receiver. He didn’t impress me too much with his returns. I’m not saying he did poor, but it was nothing special. I think several guys on the team could do just as well, like Cap or Witherspoon or Goodson or whoever. I was much more interested in seeing him in a slot receiver role, and unfortunately I didn’t get to see much of that. I think he has great hands, and would do well there.
I never thought this whole defensive line by committee thing would work, but they are swarming, running through and around guys. It’s really something. Meeks is doing an incredible job dialing up the packages and blitzes. Let’s hope it carries over to the regular season when teams start to gameplan against them.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent Guy
It just sounds like he wants to contribute to this team in any way possible, he seems to have a great attitude. And because i’ve latched onto him for some reason.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
I would love to keep him for PR's
I know it is crazy, but to keep room for him I would rather just cut Pike and Cantwell, and make Armanti our third string QB and 5th WR.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
keep Witherspoon!
PR,KR,CB, and didnt i see him playing some safety back there last night??? I gotta watch the tape again but I believe so. the guy is way more valuable in my eyes that a guy that can just PR. we will not get on the field as a WR. not on this team.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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One (and only one) gripe I have about Witherspoon...
He’s a return guy, right? Makes a nice interception, takes two steps, and falls down. Take it to the house, or at least try.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
that was a smart play.
end of the 4th quarter and he was protecting the lead. it was a selfless play and I think it showed that he has good awareness and plays smart footbal. i was really pleased with that decision.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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C'mon now Steven. It's preseason, the kid's got blinding speed and a
perfect chance to show it. He could have put the game out of reach. And it wasn’t like there was somebody about to hit him, he just laid down. Playmakers make plays. And like I said, that’s the only gripe I had. Otherwise, he was yet another pleasant surprise for the defense.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
play makers do make plays
and he might have been able to put the game out of reach. But i lked the decision. and i bet you conservative Fox did as well. And that is who he needs to impress to make the team. Smart kid
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I have to watch it again, but I think I saw them cut to Fox...
and he looked puzzled and not very happy. Not the reaction I was expecting after a pick. Anyway, no biggie. He made a nice pick and we won our first game. Happiness rules the day with regard to everything the defense did.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I just saw it he did
and Meeks looked like he was chewing him out. So I think im wrong on this one. lol
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I remember that.
I thought he was upset that Witherspoon made a good play, and now he has to consider keeping another guy who a lot didn’t think would be a factor.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he did, then he got back up, took two steps and fell down again.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
That guy can jump for a little dude.
He got some air on that first interception.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
he is 5'10
good height for a DB. he has some ups though for sure
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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They like defensive backs to be more like 6'2" I think.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a Safety
but CBs are usually around 5’10 give or take. like gamble for instance is a tall CB at 6’1 and Marshall is ideal at 5’11.. i think Martin is 6’1 and Godfrey is 5’11
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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well guy can return KO too
my bad i forgot he had a nice one. but still i see Witherspoon as the more valuable player
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
Not happy. We need some resemblance of a 1st team offense.
The highlight is that it looks like we can rotate Johnson, Brayton, Brown and Hardy with no drop off at all. I don’t see too much from our DT’s, but I also don’t see anyone running up the middle either. A+ for the defense all around.
However, we have to expect really good offenses like New Orleans to at least accumulate 20 or more points. If we can’t at least muster up 2 1st team TDs, then we should be concerned… Smitty and Stewart aren’t going to average 2+ TDs per game.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
But
Smith opening up the receiving game by taking care of two defenders and Stewart being able to get the running game going may
I hope so
I don’t want my offensive pessimism to over shadow the fact that the defense is paying lights out!
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by southtunnel on Aug 28, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Otah's absence in the pre-season can't be overestimated.
He is a bulwark on the right side, and Schwartz has been allowing too many DE’s to get by and apply pressure. When you see our QB’s scrambling, that’s the reason.
We were fine without him last year
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by southtunnel on Aug 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget about Eric Moore.
I think he’s just as good as the other defensive ends. He was right there at the quarterback again in this game. He would’ve gotten at least two other sacks if another guy hadn’t gotten there a second earlier.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have to say
Goodson or Witherspoon if the game ball was for game-changing plays.
But Johnson was either taking down the QB for a sack or was in the face of the QB consistently and for that, I would give Jimmy Clausen the game ball (jk)
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I hope witherspoon gets a spot on the roster
He shined on the D tonight and he wasn’t too horrible on returns from the other games
Actually, I would give the 2nd string O-line the game ball
for avoiding a false start on a QB kneel
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Robinson stuck out like a sore thumb.
His blocking was way better than the other 2nd string linemen. The other linemen would get pushed back a couple yards, and Robinson would still be at the line of scrimmage. Some of those guys are ok, ’cause they already proved themselves last year, but I think they should consider giving Robinson a second chance at a starting role.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
When did Robinson come in. 4th quarter? I want to take a look and see
if I see what you saw, or what you saw isn’t what I see, see? Seriously, if the Duker could live up to his potential, then along with Otah coming back there’s a lot of benefit to the entire offense.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I don't recall the specific point in the game.
Whenever the 2nd string linemen came in. It was probably when Clausen came in.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
About 10 minutes left in the game.
He was NOT one of the OL called for the 4 false start penalties. Those were 64/Petitti, 73/MacBern, 65/Gary Wms (or so the announcers called it), and 71/C.J. Davis.
Robinson didn’t even get in the Jets game – wonder how far down the ladder he’s slipped in the coaches’ eyes.
I've never seen so many fringe players make ESPN highlights one play, then completely bust the next
Let’s fumble multiple punt returns one game, and then lead the team in receptions the next. Or how about we look like a moron on kickoffs and then take one 90+ yards for a TD the next. I’m confused.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
lol, well said
I feel the same way
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
LOL +1
sorry ST but what he said
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
That's exactly what it is
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
This is why we shouldn't be so concerned about the mistakes by our OL players.
They’ve got pride, too, and will show up when the bell rings. It’s just our concern du jour.
Remember how everybody in the country, including most of us, thought our D would be the big question mark, with Peppers, Harris, Kemo, etc , gone, and Beason moving outside? … well, no problem.
Remember how we all thought our ST couldn’t play a lick, just a few days ago? Well, they came up pretty good last night. I like the improvement in tackling, coverage, and especially returns I saw.
So maybe our OL will get it together, once we stop substituting, and especially when Otah gets back in there. (My only concern there is that Keydrick Vincent was pretty solid at RG, and so far, MacBern or Robinson haven’t played to his standard.)
Goodson's KO return was phenomenal, and it's not getting enough coverage here.
How do you take a KO to the house? Conventional wisdom is find a lane and burst through. Goodson has rewritten the book. Find a pile and run into it (thereby creating a “vacuum” effect sucking all coverage guys in), then bounce off and you’re home free.
Maybe when Otah returns, we move Schwartzy inside. Or maybe we get Hartwig back from the Steelers. The problems do seem to be on the right side, though, I agree.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I gave Goodson the game ball in the poll.
We (and I) were so down on him from the Jets game, it was good to see him have such a good recovery.
I gave Goodson the ball too
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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he must have been playing madden 11
that is what everyone does now online.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
The Preseason is the time to work out those kinks
And I agree things should be much more on track once the season gets underway, and all our pieces are intact. But by the same logic let’s not assume Goodson is going to bounce out of the pile every week for a TD either. He needs to learn to be consistent too.
Guy looked promising at times. I’d like to see more of Witherspoon also.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Our passing game looked better than the previous two games
which isn’t saying much, but I’ll take it. Our defense continues to blow me away. Special teams were actually an asset tonight.
Our offense continues to press on without one of the best receivers in the league, one half of Double Trouble, and a pro bowl caliber right tackle. If we’re still not scoring any TDs after we’re at or near full strength, then I’ll worry.
Also, I’d be perfectly fine with either Moore or Clausen as our starter. I don’t think I’ve ever been able to say that about our 1st and 2nd string QB.
BTW, my vote went to Goodson. His TD return broke the game open, plain and simple. Now, had there been a choice for our defense as a whole…
I liked it
I liked how the defense continued to dominate. I liked how the special teams didnt screw up, I liked how the ffense was moving the ball. They need work on offense but then again they were still evaluating receivers & passing to players just to see what they do. When Smith is in the game it opens up a lot of other options. Overall i liked the progress. & i voted for Goodson cause he played his heart out in there.
Offense moved the ball
Penalties killed a few drives, but they need to punch one in.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Really! Clausen as POG?
He comes in and we have 4 penalities in a row. Not all those are on the line. Or is Jimmy a god now?
by Robert Woodring on Aug 29, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions
???
How are false starts ever attributed to the quarterback?
It’s not about calling him God, it’s about the dumbass lineman knowing the snap count.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
reminds me of what CC says in madden
" i always thought OL should go to the line and hold up either one or two fingers and if they get confused they should just look down."
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Maybe if all of them move, one after the other, it could be that he's the common ingredient to the mess ups.
Just maybe. Maybe his cadence is not quite right. Is this possible?
Cut the crap
If a QBs cadence is off the ball is snapped early, some of the OL isn’t prepared and the guy gets creamed.
If you’re going to cry bias every time someone says anything positive about Clausen or defends him, or is critical of Moore this season is going to get old fast.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Aug 29, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the center was the first one to false start on that long string of penalties.
I’m not saying who was at fault. Maybe it was a little of both. I don’t particularly care. False start penalties are easily correctable.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
These were guys (e.g. Petiti) that are fighting for a roster spot...
so they’re naturally over-anxious. They’re looking to make the big block to spring the first offensive TD, and reap the glory. BTW, who was snapping the ball when we had 4 false starts in a row?
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I was looking for that
Silver said one was on the center, so I’m assuming MacBern… but I haven’t gone back and looked at the tape yet.
If true, that one was on the center he must have lost his footing or twitched, because if it was a true false start he would have snapped the ball.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Aug 29, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be he was a little late on some other snaps as well...
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Yeah, it was Bernadeau.
I don’t know what happened. I didn’t pay attention to the defensive line to see if anyone tried to make him flinch. It’s rare for a center to false start, but it happens. Like I said though, those kinds of penalties are easily corrected, so I’m not concerned. I’m much more interested in how they block.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
here is what one Titan fan had to say
The fastest player in the NFL wasn’t fast enough tonight! I wasn’t expecting that kind of defense from the Panthers and Fisher obviously wasn’t either..
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
OH!
They obviously didn't watch the 2 first games then
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
It's looking less and less likely...
…we’re going to sneak up on anyone with our D. But I suppose I’m willing to accept that since what our boys have done is prove to themselves they can disrupt 2 excellent running teams (one with an extremely mobile QB) AND and very balanced offense in the Ravens. And run D was supposedly our achilles heel.
Confidence is better with a young, talented defense than flying under the radar and hoping the players eventually believe in themselves with a breakout performance. This may be one of the best scouting and coaching jobs I’ve ever seen for such a young group of players. I only hope it carries over to the games that matter.
I think we WILL still sneak up on everybody.
The betting site I use still has the Over/Under on season sacks by Carolina at 30. 30!?!
And the Over/Under on INTs is 16 1/2.
You think we can’t average 2 sacks a game, or 1 INT?
We’re still the ugly stepchild of the NFL.
we are on pace to have 80 sacks right now...
it wount happen. but 50 doesnt seem crazy being that we have been getting 5 a game so far
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Most impressive thing I saw...................
last night was Hardy on Kickoff coverage as one of the first guys down the field taking out a lead blocker. A DE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!
Yeah, I noticed that!
I thought it was incredible he could cover kickoffs and still dominate on the defensive line. They weren’t kidding about his speed either. I believe that camp report that said he was hanging in there with receivers and defensive backs in sprints.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Which has only been once so far.
You guys, seriously … You’re making him out to be a liability when he hasn’t even had enough catchable passes come his way to properly evaluate him.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Blade, for once I agree with you... j/k
After rewatching the interception from last week, I agree Lafell was wrongfully abused by many here (myself included) for not trying to break up the interception. He did the right thing. And, I think he’s being blamed for drops when he doesn’t make the spectacular fingertip catches. Lafell is not Chris Carter. But I think he’s a playmaker just waiting to break out.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
come on
if he jumped and stuck a hand up he could have broken up that pick. seriously
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Even if that's true, which I don't think it is, if he did that ...
… and missed, the defensive back could’ve run that pick back for a huge gain. As it was, the pick was no better than a fielded punt which was fair caught.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
true...
But you gotta attack that ball. ask Smitty if you get a chance he will tell you. i promise
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Ok, I'll call him up right now.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
tell him i said Hi and to quit being a vag...play some football
J to the K.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Back in the day, the term wuss, or wussyboy was used instead.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
lol
i guess I could use wuss. but I like Vag. lol. i do
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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yo Momma
oohhhhhhhh
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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i friggin love that guy!
His bit on midgets is one of the funniest things ive ever heard. you know what ill post it…its only audio but here give it a listen. and make sure you listen to the whole thing because the end is the funniest. he gets a little slow in the middle. and its only like 5 mins so dont be vag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX6L_HBsk_Q
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Very funny stuff. I also study midgeology at the liberry :)
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
lol
“how about i trow on 78lb head there you go.” hilarious
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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yeah, that cracks me up :)
Takes a certain intellectually secure person to appreciate the low brow humor of ADC, wouldn’t you say?
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
True...she didn't care for it.
But did yo’s?
she loves the muff
lol touche
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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He looked good last night.
So did Edwards. and Gettis. Im crushing on Gettis right now.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Agreed. Gettis may turn out to be the ultimate deep threat, but we're seeing already...
that he can catch in traffic and hold onto the ball after a big hit. I’m crushing on him, too. It is going to be difficult to decide who to keep at WR. Wright’s arm injury doesn’t help him, although he could get an injury settlement, and we could put him on IR. We all have our faves here, and I know I wouldn’t want to have to make the decision.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
th catches in traffic is the biggest thing for me.
that is huge. but then he has shown the ability to shake off the would be tackler and get some more yards. i love it. now if we could get him the ball deep down the field that would be intersting. He is tall. so I would really like to see something high over his sholder, in stride.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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My comment was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
I’m high on LaFell and I hope he wins the start over Jarrett. That being said, he’s dropped more than one catchable ball this preseason.
no need to lie for him
i can think of 2 off the top of my head. the one in the endzone in the Ravens game. once again if he would attack the ball he could have made a play. and that one where he got popped in the back in the jets game. theres probably more.
but he showed some good things last night and he might fit real well in the slot. he has nice moves. and if he can find holes in the zone coverage, he can moove the sticks. not to mention his blocking on the draw would be awesome from the slot.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Well, again for the billionth time, I disagree about that endzone fade route toss.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
+1... after further review, I've gotta call it an underthrow with great defensive play.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
would Smith have allowed that to get broken up?
the guy got his hand up. But if LaFell would have came back to the ball instead of letting it float, he could have made the play.
i know Smith is a beast but we need to hold guys to his standard when it comes to effort. Jarrett would have caught it as well. they go for the ball and dont let defenders do what they want.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I just don't think there was time to react in the way you're suggesting.
The ball was not only under thrown, it was too much of a line drive. LaFell was fading back to the corner of the endzone. I don’t think it’s realistic to suggest he could’ve stopped his route, turned, and come back to the ball in a fraction of a second.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he could have come forward instead of falling backwards....
fight for it!
Moore aint perfect. even Big D knows that (ohhh lol), but recievers arent supposed to just go out there run a route and let it fall into their hands. they have to adjust to the ball, fight for position and hold on to the damn thing.
It comes down to effort which he can fix.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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It wasn't a line drive, I know that.
The ball was floated on a good trajectory, just 1-2 yds past the receiver’s hands (like the bomb to Jarrett, this game.)
I looked at that play a lot of times, and came to the conclusion that, if LaFell had aggressively laid out for it, he may have/probably would have prevented the S from getting it. But it’s conjecture, and we’ll never know.
He did have the time, and looked back to view the ball coming, and then at the S, to make his decision to do what he did. And I’m no longer going to fault him for that, as he made a tackle. What will come of it is he’ll probably review it in his mind, and the next time that comes up, he’ll want to make a play to catch it. It’s all in the learning stage for him now.
granted
but how about the ravens game? the one into the back of the endzone? the defender got a finger in there and broke it up. thats the one im saying he should have caught. and the out route in the Jets game where he got popped in the back.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Way to exaggerate.
A finger?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
he barely touched it is the point.
its not like he really got a whole hand it there…
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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bias much?
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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No.
I’ve been giving all the other receivers plenty of compliments.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
how about letting LaFell take the blame for his mistakes?
he could have made an effort. he did not. end of story.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Smitty, while leaping for the ball, would have "inadvertantly"
kicked the defender in the nuts, bringing his hands down immediately. He’ll need to teach our young guys how to deal with defenders on contested catches.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
there you go
now that i like
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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LaFell may have a good six inches on Smitty.
If he attacked the ball…..
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty impressed when I saw Everette Brown bull rush a blocker
Might have been on his sack, but he knocked the guy back a couple feet then only had to side step to get to the QB. Very nice to see some power from the guy.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
he has been using that bull rush a lot this pre season
and it has been effective. Im pretty sure he has some tricks we havent seen yet…
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Brown's got some of the biggest legs I've ever seen.
Combine that with his stature, and you’ve got one powerful mofo.
Anybody who questioned his heart, or motivation, was mistaken.
I’ve not seen him take a SINGLE play off, like little Greg used to (love that one!), and he got a couple TFL’s on run plays again, too. He plays LDE and RDE with equal effectiveness, and was being double-teamed some, too.
Lil Greg or Lil Hardy has too stick!
its just too good. But the guy is going to be a star. gunning down the field on ST was awesome. Just awesome.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I'm growing more uneasy with Moore........................
56.1 Passer rating doesn’t cut it. I know folks will blame his receivers, but I saw some awful throws. One into triple coverage. And some nowhere near catchable. On the other hand, Clausen continues to impress me with his accuracy. Even on short passes like to Barnidge he gets rid of it quickly and it’s on the mark giving the receiver time to make a move. I’d like to see Clausen with the ones, but doubt if that will happen in last pre-season game.
agreed, but
I want to give moore his chance as a starter in the regular season. although I am torn. On one hand moore has a track record (short yes) but hasn’t llooked impressive so far this year. On the other hand clausen in limited time has looked better (if only a little) but I’m not sure I want a rookie qb to start this year, overall rookie qbs don’t usually fair well and I believe no rookie qb has won the sb.
by LittleKing on Aug 29, 2010 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clausen also has the toe injury
So if he did start then he’d be playing on a hurt toe all year. Being a backup for a year will give him time to heal. So you’re not substituting Moore for a 100% healthy Clausen anyways.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Thank you
Didn’t get to watch the game live, so I couldn’t reply to everyone saying to put Clausen in, but why would we want to risk him putting himself in more pain for a preseason game. It is almost as infuriating as Fox not going for it on 4th and 1, or blowing a TO at the start of the second half. Or Moore getting hit helmet to helmet in an early series in the 1st quarter and it not being called.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
nothing gets called for us
how many neutral zone infractions went withoout being caled last night? i know i saw at least 2 or 3
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I didn't understand not going for it on 4th and 1
Just because the 3rd game is suppose to resemble a real game? What we wan’t to make sure Baker’s not confused about it? Who did that help? I’d rather see if the team was actually capable of pulling off a 4th and 1 before the season starts.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
The way our D was playing so stoutly, we should've tried it.
It was only at our 45 (Q3, 13:33), scoreless game.
good point
Plus if Clausen was in and we won the Super Bowl… he would become the most arrogent lil prick probably.
matt might not be that bad during the season. the play calling will be better. the running game will be going. maybe a big part of this has been the offense we have been running.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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All good points...
Clausen could stand to stay a #2 for a bit to keep him from becoming as annoying as Romo or Brady.
I hope you’re right about the play calling. Things will be better when all of our playbook, Smitty, and Otah are in. However, other teams are able to score with players hurt, we should be able to manage at least a little something something…
we definately should
Im pissed about it bro.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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+1
Let the kid hold the clipboard a bit, heal up, and work on some of those details that Gruden was drilling him on in “QB Camp” (or whatever it is called). He’s still adjusting to the pro game. Let him soak up some more information and re-evaluate later in the regular season based on Moore’s play and Clausen’s progress.
My biggest concern
Is the O line Depth. I think we will be OK and the run and Pass game will pick back up once Otah comes back, but it seemed like every time a Titan defender was in our back field, he came from the right side of the line.They just coldn’t get anything going early cause thier D was getting way too good of a push. Once they were able to get settled they started making plays. There were a couple throws that Moore needs to control a little better. Too many floating passes. Overall I think things will start to slow down and get better, if not by the first game, then the 2nd or 3rd. These new guys just need time.
In Moore we trust!!!
I don't know dude.
He’s already thrown about a billion passes in camp and the preseason thus far. He should be more accurate than that by now. The vast majority of his passes were off target tonight. On the plus side though, he has that crossing route over the middle down. He makes that every time. I’m thinking we were just expecting too much of him. He had a great few games late last year, but hadn’t shown much up until then. There was a reason he went undrafted, got put on Dallas’ practice squad, and then was 3rd or 4th on the depth chart while at Carolina.
I’ve heard folks say things will improve when Smith, Stewart, and Otah return, and that may be, but I think it will only be a marginal improvement. Smith will command double teams, and Stewart will keep the running game a threat when he’s in, but Moore still needs to deliver the passes on target. That long pass to the endzone over Jarrett’s head is just unacceptable in a real game. That’s what the Carolina offense wholly relies on, playaction passes deep for huge chunks. It’s a run first, vertical passing offense. Without those passes, they will not win more than 7 or 8 games. I think we should lower expectations of Moore, and I hope Fox isn’t too slow to pull the trigger on Clausen if need be. Moore is a decent pro quarterback, and I’m sure he’s a great guy, but he doesn’t need all the hype around him and all that extra stress. He is what he is, and we should all realize that.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
"we should all realize that"
You talkin’ to me?
You must be, ‘cause I’m the only one here!
youre not the only one
i cant remember who but a nice group didnt like all the calls for Clausen to get some time with the 1s and the bitching about Moores mistakes.
Im officially on the fence. i want to see him in the regular season. I think there are some factors that could be contributing to his struggles. 1 OL, 2 Davidsons play call (pre season version maybe), 3 no Smitty, 4 No running game.
So I am curious to see him in a real game. But like i said in another post… We need him to complete passes in the first quarter. We need the D to respect the pass and the run so we can keep them off balance and march down the field and put points up. Our D will be most effective when playing with the lead.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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"We need him to complete passes in the first quarter."
4 for 6 in the first quarter in this one, with one of them dropped (Fiammetta) – 2 First Downs. A better start than he’s been having.
Again, it’s not “terrible,” as James called it.
4 of 6 is good
but he just needs to get that ball down field. and put up points. it doesnt have to be pretty(which it isnt) it just need to work.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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But I don't think it's fair to call him terrible (not talking to you)
Had the bomb to Jarrett been completed, it would’ve been 6, and all Hail Moore.
Sometimes it’s just a matter of inches (or feet). The play was a good call, it was executed well, just didn’t connect. Every NFL QB misses a bomb on an overthrow occasionally. Better than an under-throw that’s picked off. And better that it happens in an exhibition game than when we come out and complete it against the Giants next month. Hell, I’m overjoyed to see that DJ can get open deep.
friggin A!
Jarrett had dude burned! that was awesome. If that pass would have been completed, yall wouldnt be able to shut me up. i cant wait to see Jarrett this season
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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One thing I saw last night that impressed me about Moore
was his pocket presence. There were so many times last night that he stood in there and kept his cool until the last possible second and delivered a fairly accurate throw right before he got pummeled. How many times have we seen Jake just kind of chill around and get killed and then fumble or run around away from pressure that wasn’t there and then throw off his back foot to get intercepted?
On the other hand, Clausen was scary accurate and was able to get the out-route completion that Moore couldn’t.
42
+2... Moore has the quick release to stand in
and Clausen is very accurate. Both good points.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
By my count, Clausen was scary accurate on 2 passes.
4Q, 10:25 to KMoore, and 8:57 to 12/Gettis. His other 2 completions were a 3 yard pass in the flat, to Barnidge, at 4:15, that the dude ran for 50, by breaking 3 tackles – and at 2:30, to 40/Vaughn, which was a simple screen.
Moore had several passes that were right on target (see my recap of the Offense), but of course, he had many more opportunities. Moore hit the out route a couple times.
I don’t see any need to pick one guy over the other, off last night’s game. The reason we couldn’t score TD’s is due to penalties, batted balls, drops, and constant substitutions, the latter of which is hard to get continuity from. When we settle on just who our starting WR’s are (and I think there’s a guy who wears 89 who may show up when it starts to count), I think we’ll see some better communication from them and the QB.
I love that Jarret got open deep.
but I have to say that it’s not just an occasional pass that Moore misses. He misses a few every game. I think his receivers have something to do with it, but still, most of them are still going to be here come Week 1. I’d lower expectations on Moore. I’ll be happy with his play as long as we win 9-10 games, make the playoffs, and he throws less than ten INT’s while starting all 16 games.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
(Obscure movie reference) Who knows it?
Hint: big name Italian star, (with Jodie Foster in it, too)
I knew that one, too. Just took too long to get to the question.
Didn’t want to disappoint you. I wouldn’t even have needed the clues.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Yeah I'm talking to you ...
It’s Bo time!!
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Muscle Memory
The only two receivers hes thrown deep balls to in game situations in the past have been Smith and Carter, both fast mofos. All of his deep balls so far this preseason have been to slower receivers. This comes back to the 20 billion receivers hes throwing to in preseason…qb-receiver rapport is important. It will only get better once our roster is cemented.
by ppalm on Aug 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, that's a great point.
Moore throws the deep ball 50 yards in the air, a beautiful spiral, nice trajectory – but it overshoots Jarrett by, what, 4-5 feet? Is Moore not using his muscle memory to expect that Smith or Moose was gonna get there in time to catch it? Last year, that was exactly what happened – caught ‘em in stride. That’s how Rosario got that ball (1Q, 11:38) when it was led to him perfectly. I don’t think Moore’s had enough reps with our current receivers, all these new guys on tryouts (let’s call it what it is), and the bunch of them shuttling in and out, with differing route characteristics and speeds downfield.
You’ve hit it on the head. Rec’d your post.
That may have something to do with it.
Although he’s been practicing with these guys for more than a month now. Still, good point.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Our running game hasn't looked that good
And I don’t think Otah is the problem. We’ve ran the ball well in the past without him. But our running game seems to get better as the season progresses. So I’m hoping that’s the case this year and they just need more reps.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Good points Silver, but.........................
expecting reasonably accurate throws and TD passes from an NFL QB is not unreasonable. The problem right now is that he is not living up to even the minimal expectations. If that’s the best he can do let’s start Clausen who gives us a better chance to win. Fox has done it before. Remember when he went with Peete just before the first game over Wienke? It may be time for another direction.
per Steve Reed
WR Wallace Wright said an X-ray on his shoulder revealed no broken bones, but that he’ll have an MRI on it Sunday morning.
Wright said the shoulder was very sore, but he did not have it in a sling
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Good stuff. Thanks.
What’s the word on Sutton?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
injured his shoulder...
doesn’t look to be too bad, he was tweeting after the game (see below). haven’t seen anything on his status yet.
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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
observations from the game:
-1 Defense continues to look great. 18 sacks in three games (albeit preseason). Good pressure up front and the secondary is smothering their assignments.
-2 Offense continues to struggle. We have yet to see any semblance of a passing attack. The closest Matt came to scoring a TD ended with a Wallace Wright fumble around the 10 yard line. We couldn’t get the play-action going because we couldn’t get the run game going, because the defense didn’t respect the pass. That and we’re still throwing an abnormal amount trying to sort out all these receivers. It also seemed to me that the Titans blitzed a lot keeping the pressure on Matt for the 3rd game in a row.
I do think Smitty will have an significant impact on the passing game (as will Otah some, more so than Stewart) when he returns but Matt has to limit some of these mistakes and although he’s only thrown one pick so far he hasn’t thrown any touchdowns either.
3-Special teams looked a better, although the punt return unit could still use some work.
4-Being the youngest team in the NFL this win will help the confidence of some of these young guys more than we may think:
TSutt22
Preciate y’all watching the game. 1st preseason win in 2 yrs! Feels good!
Blafell1
1st nfl win…. Feeling damn good rite now
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It also seemed to me that the Titans blitzed a lot keeping the pressure on Matt for the 3rd game in a row.
Imagine that. A team saw something that worked against us in the first two games and adjusted their game plan.
Honestly, if we don’t fix this, we’re in for a long season on offense.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 29, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually there were very few blitzes from Tennessee.
Mostly 4 man rushes, sometimes just 3. It looked like a blitz because they were constantly getting pressure from their left side, 74/Schwartz being the turnstile on pass blocking that he is. The guy’s feet are not fast enough to play the outside; he’s better suited at RG. His sub, 64/Rob Petitti was just as ineffective, and had 2 penalties called on him. We need Otah back big time to slow the pass rush.
And just what is the latest on Otah? I mean, is he working out, doing any drills, anything?
I thought he would be at least off the PUP by now. I hope he doesn’t have to shake off rust and/or get back in shape.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
yeah I have yet to go back and watch it again but it seemed like
they were in his face all night.
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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
New Orleans is going to be a great test!
Check out the team stats… http://www.nfl.com/stats/team
NO 1st in total offense, 1st in passing offense, 3rd in rushing offense
CAR 1st in total defense, 1st in passing defense, 2nd in run defense
We’re like exact polar opposites of each other. Of course NO’s defense is average, and our offense is in the bottom 4! But a very interesting match-up to say the least… especially with Smitty back.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
look at that D bro!
I told ya. I friggin told ya…
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I thought our defense wouldn't be nearly as bad as some predicted.
but I didn’t expect domination. Good call.
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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Meeks has a good philosophy on D
and a group that fits it very well. a much more talented group than he has ever had IMO. Meeks is really good and getting production from guys you have never heardof. Ed Johnson was a big surprise for me. i was thinking no way he makes the roster but now I think the guy is important. Landri and Hayden have played well also.
these roster cuts are going to be really really tough this year. we need too many of these guys to stay. And i dont think we will have enough spots to keep everyone that we want.
Gettis better make the team Witherspoon. I have been very impressed with Gettis this pre season. and I have been wanting to see Witherspoon on special teams. we finally got to last night and he looked really good. he catches the ball and has some moves. At CB last week I noticed he was making some nice tackles. He shut Coles down twice and he was about 8 yards away when Coles caught it. but he made quick solid tackles and broghut him down immediately. then last night he gets the two picks… He has to stay. He earned it this Pre season.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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OK, let me put on my pessimists exception hat
1st nobody’s game planned for our defense, except maybe Tennessee a bit. 2nd two of the offenses we faced are bottom 10 in total offense. The best offense we faced was the Ravens, and Flacco in very limited time had 120 yards and a TD.
Boasting about stopping teams in the Preseason that are having their own offensive struggles is a little premature.
Not saying we won’t be really good, just saying we’ve yet to see the entire picture.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
if you look at history
teams that finish in the top 10 in the preseason usually carry it over to the regular season. it is one stat that you can buy into.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I want to see regular season domination.
But I’ll go ahead and say so far it looks like you were right and I was wrong. Thank the Lord for that. :)
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
11-5 all day! this defense will be special…and the offense will be atleast top 12,when the running game is once again dominating..when we only give up 14 points a game we will rule.
Whoa dude...
where can I get some of what you’re smoking? Top 12??? Don’t get me wrong, I love my Panthers but that’s just unrealistic. At this point, I’d be happy if we were in the top 20.
as of right now i cant argue with you
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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sad to say I agree.
Top five rushing O though. :)
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
My notes from the game last night...
First and foremost, have to mention the great defensive effort. We dominated up front, keeping the leagues best rusher to minimal production. We also continued to harass the QB, which will be key to creating turnovers and giving opposing offenses long down and distance scenarios. Special recognition goes to our DEs Johnson, Brown, Hardy, Moore
Improvement in the passing game was nice to see, but I need to see some touchdowns. We can blame some of that on penalties on the OL, but we need to finish our drives with more than 3 points.
I Love to see that we are using the TE more. Barnidge and Rosario both had meaningful contributions in the passing game last night, often getting first downs or big gains from long down and distance scenarios. We need to continue to feature the TE, because outside of Smitty, that is where our pass catching experience lies.
Gettis, LaFell, and especially Edwards looked better catching the ball last night. LaFell did drop a pass that I feel he should have caught, but redeemed himself with an impressive diving one handed grab. Edwards continues to show improvement as receiver, particularly impressing with a smoke route for a 8 yard gain and first down. We need to keep AE focused on improving his WR skills, because that is where we will need him to contribute long term… not on punts.
Running game didnt look good last night. Looking forward to seeing how it looks once both Otah and Stewart are back.
Game ball goes to Goodson for his amazing kickoff TD as well as a couple really nice runs that he broke on offense. He looks like he has added a little bulk and hasn’t sacrificed his speed. As long as we can keep him running north south, he should be fine.
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That long run by Goodson was another outside the tackle one though.
It’s the same kind of run he’s done dozens of times for no gain. It just happened to work this time. He got to the corner and turned it up field, partly due to some defensive back falling down. He still hasn’t learned to run between the tackles, and I think that long gain was an exception and not the rule. He has talent, but he’s either not understanding what he needs to do at the pro level, or they’re not coaching him to run properly. They may be telling him to get outside, and I think that would be bad coaching.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The Titans run D was stout in the middle all night. I don't see anything wrong with running
to daylight. You need a block from a WR and TE (or DB falling down helps, to lol), but it doesn’t take away from his quickness to the edge, at least this time.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
he is still very young remember..
he hasnt fumbled yet and that is all Im worried about right now. 6.3 YPC doesnt hurt either..
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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You run where the space is.
And what I love so far is that Goodson is being utilized properly, and above all holding onto the ball. That kickoff return was beautiful too. I think he’s locked the job down with that one. As long as he doesn’t drop one or run around in circles again, he should be a weapon for us.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The space is rarely outside the tackles at the professional level.
You can’t just bounce it outside every time. If there is the slightest crack in the line, a running back is supposed to hit that hard and fast, and not even think about bouncing it outside. One good run in Goodson’s whole career up to this point does not prove his running style is effective. He needs to change it like Williams changed his.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If you spread the field out it is.
Which is how we need to use Goodson. He can be valuable as a third down back/change of pace/receiving option, just ask the Saints about Reggie Bush. He is not a between the tackles runner. So now, do you want to make him into something he’s not, and end up cutting him? Or do you want to make him an actual asset and worth that first rounder we traded to get him?
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 30, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching the replay right now......
the first thing that jumps out is the speed and pursuit by the defense. I’ve been watching the Eagles D in the preseason also (very similar to the one Meeks is running) and I’m loving what I see from the Panthers. They’re definitely playing at a higher speed than the Eagles.
I thought the offense showed some improvement in the passing game, Moore looked serviceable, had good distribution and Clausen seemed to make the most of his opportunities. I’m still not worried about the run game as I don’t think they’re calling a game to set up the run like they will be in the regular season. Don’t know how much we’ll see the starters vs Pittsburgh, but that matchup would be a better indicator of how the D matches up against a smashmouth offense like we’ll see against the Giants.
Your comment about "good distribution" brings up a thought.
There’s been some comment about Moore “locking in” on his receivers, not scanning the field, and maybe this is because, in these preseason games, with all the substitutions of WR’s that we’ve seen, he’s being told to target a specific guy on a specific play. Of course, that doesn’t prevent him from looking off the guy, but it’s a little different from an actual game condition, when he might have secondary or tertiary targets to consider. The coaches can’t evaluate a WR’s skills if the ball’s not thrown to him.
My take on last night's game...
As realistic as I can get….
Defense was astounding. Brilliant play from just about everyone who took the field. I can’t believe the play from our young D-linemen. They are putting it down out there.
ST was a little better, a VERY little bit better. Outside of that fluke-y return from Goodson and Baker kicking the ball like he was mad at it, we still have a lot of work to do there. A lot. Guys can’t understand that you have to CATCH THE BALL inside the 15 on punt returns. There’s very little blocking on PRs and KRs. At least we appear to be covering the kicks a little better. Sutton’s FF last night was good to see.
The offense looks awful. Just awful. I’m hoping that it looks that bad because we’re trying to see who’s gonna cut the mustard from our receiving corps. At this point, I can’t see how Smitty and Stewart are bringing 2+ TDs a game to the table. Maybe Otah back would make a difference, but I’m not seeing it. The problem I’m seeing is with Matty, sad to say; he’s overthrowing guys left and right, both on shorter passes and down the field. Moore looks unstable out there; whenever a play doesn’t go his way he seems to lash out a bit at the other players on the team. That doesn’t bode well, considering the guys on this team might tire of that a bit around week 7 or 8. Clausen isn’t ready yet, but he certainly seems more adjusted and settled than a rookie should. Maybe it’s just that we’re missing some key elements to the football team, and HOPEFULLY we’ll be running the ball more in the regular season, but right now our passing offense can’t get out of the bathroom, much less get into a scoring chance. Guess we’ll have to hope the horses carry us.
by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
Smitty, and Stewart may not score two touchdowns a game.
But with them and Otah back it should make it a little easier for the other guys to contribute and be more effective. Especially Smitty, he demands a lot of attention from opposing secondaries so hopefully that will open up the backfield and provide some opportunities for our TEs and other receivers.
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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Exactly right. At least I'm hopeful.
It will be like the grease on the wheel that makes it turn freely, thereby speeding up the whole wagon.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Cite a play when Moore lashed out at a team-mate.
I thought he was doing the same as Jake used to do, show some emotion with himself, when he missed a target he thought he should hit, or when a ball was tipped at the line.
I really wish you would cite one. I’ll go back and view it with that in mind. Maybe I’m seeing him the wrong way. But I liked that he showed some emotion, especially when he wanted to go for it on 4th down.
There's no way for us to know
He was stomping around after missing his receivers and looked pissed off when he wanted to go for it on third down.
Without audio of what was being said we can just speculate… but based on pure speculation it looked like he was upset with others, not just himself.
Delhomme had those moments too… I’m not willing to knock him for it without knowing what was being said.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Well I remember Delhomme use to rip into guys
I never really understood what the big deal was. He was passionate and it never appeared to rub anybody the wrong way.
But all I saw Moore do was sort of stomp and clinch his fist. He was upset and rightfully so
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I liked seeing a little fire in him.
maybe he’s been a little too relaxed.
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by John Chilton on Aug 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked that too.
I always like a QB with energy.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 29, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
On fourth down, but I know what you meant.
But isn’t that what you’d want from your QB?
He sure wasn’t mad at a teammate there. Just trying to get the coach’s attention.
And I asked Kackalack to cite a play – he said Moore was “unstable” out there. I differed. I think he’s showing passion, and that’s what I liked most about Jake. Don’t let’s take it away from our new leader.
I don't really have any game film...
All I can do is go on what I saw last night. Which is why I said it “seemed” like he was lashing out. Maybe he didn’t. Maybe he was just being emotional, trying to pull the offense out of its funk. I’m not gonna “cite” anything because I hope like hell I’m not right.
by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair answer.
At least I got you to think about your statement. Maybe’s good enough for me.
I liked it that he got into some of his guys as well...
Shows he’s respected enough as the leader that he can get on his guys if he thinks it is required. I also liked the passion about going for it on 4th down. I was happy to see Moore with a little fire last night. I think it is good for the offense since it needs a kick in the hinder thus far during pre-season.
+1 it was good to see that he wanted it
and he looked pissed that he wasnt getting it.
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