Panthers Paw Prints: Passing Game Regrouping
by bmoyer on Aug 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
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Good Wednesday afternoon, Carolina Panthers fans. I hope everyone's been well. No I was not abducted by aliens. (Or was I?) I've had some personal things to work through lately, which is why I haven't been actively participating at CSR. Although my first post or two may be a little rusty, I watched both preseason games and I've been actively following Panthers news - so don't go easy on me. I'm pretty psyched about the game against the Titans this Saturday. I won't be at the game, but I'm sure I'll be at a local watering hole (Fox & Hound? Suggestions?). Sorry if any of these links are a little stale. I will be spending a bunch of time tonight finding the latest & greatest and I will have another post up tomorrow AM. Here are your links for Wednesday August 25, 2010:
I know one of the main focuses of their draft and OTA's was the passing game. It's gotten off to a rocky start, but It sounds like they're headed back in the right direction:
Panthers working to repair pass game. (CharlotteObserver.com)
“Speaking after practice today, things are good right now,” said Moore, whose preseason quarterback rating is a lowly 34.9. “I think today was one of the better practices we had all camp. I think guys had the right attitude... The capability is there, but the production wasn’t. That’s not the way it should be. Guys I think took the right approach today and we’ll see where we’re at Saturday.”
More after the jump.
I know this isn't "new" news now, but in case you didn't know:
Panthers WR Smith back in full pads. (CarolinaGrowl.com)
Wide receiver Steve Smith practiced in full pads Monday for the first time since breaking his left arm in a flag football game. "Running around, I’m tired," Smith said. "But it feels good to run some routes at game speed, or at least at a high level practice speed."
This is a fan's opinion, not Pat Y's, but I think a lot of people would agree he's at least in the conversation:
Your thoughts on NFC South indispensables. (ESPN.com)
Keith in Schafter, Calif. writes: Steve Smith by far is the most indispensable player on Carolina's roster. They have absolutely no proven depth behind him and we all learned from the Panther's season last year how easy it is to disrupt their run-first offense when they cannot get him the ball.
I go on the wfnz.com website almost daily, and I'm pretty sure this is the first online rant I've seen like this (warning - NSFW language):
Just Catch The Football! (WFNZ.com)
I want Brandon LaFell to explode and take over the position, but he hasn’t made anybody go "wow" yet. I still like the pick and his potential at the position, and I think he will eventually be the man for the job….but I want to see him take ownership of the position.
It's from the Panthers.com website, so a lot of it seems like a euphemism, but still a good read:
Strickly Panthers: Upon further review. (Panthers.com)
For the Panthers offense, Saturday's preseason loss to the New York Jets was about opportunities lost. "We were given opportunity. We had chances," head coach John Fox said. "We didn't make plays."
Here's a good recap for "casual fans":
Panthers lose to Jets in ugly game. Defense is the bright spot. (RealBitsofPanthers.com)
It’s still Matt Moore’s job, that’s not changing but the gap between him and Jimmy Clausen is very close. I think the Panthers should give Clausen a few reps with the 1st team next game against the Titans just to see how he would fair with the 1st team offensive line and in turn we’d get a better idea about his abilities as a vertical passer. The Panthers are a team built on running the football and stifling defense… both showed their striped on Saturday. All we can do is hope the infusion of Smith and Stewart back into the lineup will be the shot in the arm the team needs.
This is a really interesting scouting tidbit I'd never thought of before:
NFC South prowls for captains. (ESPN.com)
There’s a growing trend in the NFC South when it comes to looking at a prospect’s college career. More than ever, it seems, teams are looking for guys who were college captains... I don’t have numbers in this category for ... the Panthers, but we do know Carolina has defensive back Captain Munnerlyn.
From what I understand this was a one or two day thing, but it's still worth mentioning. I hope toe problems don't linger too far into the regular season. It doesn't sound like it will affect his regular season play, but I guess it could cause him to miss some practices throughout the year:
Inside the Panthers: Clausen held out of practice. (CharlotteObserver.com)
Panthers QB Jimmy Clausen was held out of practice Monday, with what coach John Fox termed a toe problem. The rookie had surgery on his right big toe last offseason, so the team wants to make sure he has no setbacks.
All four hours were about the Panthers. Here's hour one. If you have four hours to set in front of a pc and listen to all this, I have some chores you could help me with:
At Least the Panthers Defense Showed Up. (WFNZ.com)
While most everyone agrees that the offense and the special teams struggle for the Panthers against the Jets, we have at least one Super Bowl prediction and predictably an Armanti edwards rant.
I loved the book freakonomics and the blog at the new york times is excellent also. It's not really Panthers specific, but Matt Moore gets a mention:
A Football Outsider Answers Your Questions - Freakonomics Blog. (NYTimes.com)
Q:) How important do you think it is to have a good backup QB? I hear all the time about how important it is, but it seems to me that the teams that win aren’t teams with good backups at QB but simply teams whose QB’s stay healthy. If QB is really so important, then there is no way a team can have much success with a QB who in theory is no better than 33rd best in the league (as a rough approximation). — Steve NationsA:) I think you’re probably underestimating how good the league’s best backup quarterback is. At the moment, I’d say it’s Chad Pennington, and I’d probably take Chad Pennington over about half the league’s starting quarterbacks. (If I were playing to win one game and didn’t have to worry about Pennington’s propensity for injury, he’s probably in the top six or seven.) It’s an interesting question, though. We know that injuries to the starting quarterback bear the strongest relationship to a decline in team success by virtually any metric I can come up with. It even affects the performance of other players in ways that you might not imagine.
I am definitely a glass half-full optimist, and I still view this as playing time these guys wouldn't have gotten with the 1's:
NFC South mailbag. (ESPN.com)
Brian in Emerald Isle, NC writes: Remember when Steve Smith breaking his arm the second time was supposed to be a good thing for all these young receivers? What happened there? It’s been 2 rough preseason games so far and we are yet to see anyone emerge as a No. 2 guy.Pat Yasinskas: True, there haven’t been many bright spots by the receivers in Carolina’s two preseason games. But I still think the Smith injury allowed a bunch of young receivers to get more practice time in training camp and that can only help when they get to the regular season.
Bank of America is a great place to see a ball game. Talk of a new or revamped stadium may be a little premature, but the wheels have to start turning years in advance to make it happen. Something like this is probably about 10 years off, but it's got to be in the back of Richardson's mind:
New look or new stadium for Panthers? (CharlotteObserver.com)
He said in the early part of the decade, the Panthers generated the fifth-highest revenue in the NFL, according to the magazine's calculations. The team has since slipped to 11th place. That money is primarily derived from the team's home stadium. But it's unclear how much additional money the Panthers could generate with a new stadium or even a major renovation. The team hasn't indicated it wants more seats. Bank of America Stadium seats just under 74,000, and is already one of the league's largest stadiums.
Everyone please cut this guy a little slack. They really are asking a lot of him. Don't forget he was a student at a division 1-AA school five months ago:
Edwards struggling with position switch. (CharlotteObserver.com)
The converted college quarterback had an abysmal home debut, with a hand in two fumbles on punt return attempts. Both resulted in New York Jets field goals, the difference in the Panthers’ 9-3 loss Saturday night.
Fantasy Football Link of the Day:
Football Daily Dose: Silent But Deadly. (Rotoworld.com)
It's rare that we go a week without hearing some type of news on a starting running back. There are almost always some rumblings about injuries, his role or how he's looking at practice. So imagine my surprise when I realized that before today, we hadn't heard a single meaningful peep regarding DeAngelo Williams in three months.It's a sign of how smooth Williams' offseason has been. He had a minor cleanup procedure on his ankle in February and was back on the practice field for OTAs in May. He is a proud new father. And today's nugget was simple note from top beat writer Darin Gantt that Williams is looking sharp so far at camp: Williams has 11 carries for 59 yards in two preseason games against the imposing run defenses of the Ravens and Jets.
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Welcome back Brian
so how you like that D???? did you know that we are 2nd to none right now? and for you slow guys out there that mens 1st… number 1…HNIC lol. but yeah number 1 pass D and number 6 r ush D.If we are still number 1 after the we play the Tiatans then we should be a top 5 D no problem. This is one stat that seems to carry over.
I think we are going to shut the Titans down. And I think that Moore and Clausen and our O line are going to get it together.They have a good D but it isnt crazy like the Ranvens and Jets. The players have a little bit of film on the Titans now. So I would expect Moore to take his OL and WRs into the film room and go over some things. I can pretty much guarantee you Clausen will. We should see progress this week from our Offense. I cant wait!
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I just think the Panthers are trying to catch up with the times like the rest of the leauge. Look at last years playoffs. Colts , Vikings , Saints, and Jets the final four if you will.. 3 of those teams have incredible QB’s and massive passing offenses. With rule changes that both help the QB and WR’s the league is more and more becoming a passing league. Defense and Running the ball are still important but not set in stone like not so long ago. Cardinals went from doghouse to penthouse because of there QB and there offense. Panthers are working to improve that aspect of our team the one aspect we have always lacked. Matt Moore doesn’t have to have drew brees numbers but we still have to be able to move the ball down the field in todays NFL. Running the ball is our core but when your down 10+ points you got to be able to put points on the board in a hurry.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
We need to keep drafting WRs for sure
We will need 3 options at WR and I think we are still short right now, even looking at 2011 and beyond
agreed regardless of this season first round pick next year needs to be a WR. One with great hands
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I Disagree.
Mostly on the grounds that it is way to premature to be deciding on how our first round pick should be spent next season.
We have a mess of free agents that we need to re-sign, and only after we see who is staying and who is going will we be able to determine a possible 1st round pick.
What if the receivers we just spent 3 picks on start to pan out? Do you think the team could justify a 1st round selection on a WR with 2-3 2nd year guys waiting on the bench? Many people don’t expect to evaluate a WR until their 3rd year, or at least until after their 2nd.
The evidence says it is very unlikely we spend a first round selection on a WR, and with so many questions about how guys are going to pan out this year I can’t even make an educated guess about what our needs will be.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
i wasnt looking that much into it i was simply saying all signs point to us needing more help at WR. regardless how you look at it. Our Oline is solid d looks solid running game solid QB’s solid. So WR is still are weakness at this point. Things could change by season end you are correct. but at this moment id take another quality WR over just about anything.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
we need to find the next Smitty
this draft… we really needed Golden Tate. not Edwards. I guess they ave their eye on someone in this class that can be an impact like Smith.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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reply to Jaxon
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Sad thing is we build threw the draft and we have never been good at picking WR talent. Steve Smith was not going to be anything but a kick returner. We got lucky we got him.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Wow. Just simply wow.
We are 2 preseason games in… and you are condemning management for a selection they could not have even made. Golden Tate was taken in the 2nd round of the draft… would you prefer that we passed up on Jimmy Clausen and taken him at 48th overall?
Also… how are you so convinced that Golden Tate would be the savior of this team? Currently… Golden Tate has 3 receptions for 13 yards in 2 preseason games. All three of our rookies have a better line then that right now, and none of them had quite the hype that Tate did.
Quite simply it is way to early to judge who we should’ve drafted and when, and way way way to early to decide who we should draft next year.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
we could have traded up. just like we made that ridiculous trade to get Edwards. then got LaFell in the 3rd. Or whoever. I know there was a lot of options around that time but i cant remember exactly what. But we could have taken a WR.
Maybe he will turn out to be alright one day. but i do not see him contributing this year and I hate that our season rides on Smittys sholders.
Edwards can make plays out in the open field. That is for sure. but I havent seen a glimpse of a reason for picking the kid up. The best reason i have heard people say we picked him is because the colts were going to do it a few picks later. that does not mean its a good idea. the Colts can do that kind of thing because they have Manning and he can make anyone a good WR.
we need to win now. I know I am being impatient but we could have made a better decision that Edwards. no matter how much you like the guy… giving up a 2nd for a project is a little ridiculous.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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3rd round receivers
There were two receivers taken in round two – golden tate & arrelious benn.
Eight in round three – damian williams, brandon lafell, emmanuel sanders, jordan shipley, eric decker, andre roberts, armanti edwards, taylor price.
Six of the round three picks came within nine overall picks of each other. I think when the Panthers saw four receivers go in seven picks they figured they’d jump up and grab the guy they wanted before he was gone.
Did they overspend with a 2nd round pick from the 2011 draft for a third round pick in the 2010 draft? Maybe… I guess we will see in the long run…
Lets be honest. We don't 'need to win now'
We would all LOVE to win now, but NEED? Teams that ‘need’ to win now are those with aging players at all vital positions who are making one last stab at glory.
We are the youngest team in the NFL. It may be our time, it may not be our time… but honestly, I think we’re in one of the best positions in the NFL right now. We’re an 8-8 team who will likely improve this upcoming season with a very young, talented roster and an immense amount of cap space come 2011.
I don’t think want matches need on this one. If we truly needed to win now we would still have Brad Hoover, still have Muhsin Muhammad and would have signed Terrell Owens.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Aug 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
well yeah i want to win now
but i dont think we need Hoover to win now. and i dont think TO would have been a good idea. and Moose would have just slowed things up. we need someone else to step up and make plays. jarrett will move chains and that is great. but we need a slot guy that can make the D pay. Golden Tate would have been ideal. also if smitty goes down we are fudged. this wouldnt be that big of an issue if we went after a vincent jackson or brandon marshall or golden tate.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I don't know why you're so high on Tate.
From everything I’ve read and heard on NFL radio, Tate is struggling. I get the impression he’s right on par with Edwards. Not too impressive considering he’s played the position his entire college career.
If we were going to trade a pick to move up for a receiver, I’d have taken Shipley over Edwards. Frankly, I’m not fond of the move we made. I hope I’m proven wrong though.
just seeing him on tape
he seems to have something special. Smitty-esk abilities.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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i had to rec and make this green. Awesome point my man. Carolina is set up for now and beyond. Which is a very good thing.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
i don't think so
i hope we are set up for the future, but i see a dry spell coming…so we need to win it all this year. i hope i am completely wrong, but…
this is the last year we have matt moore, dewayne jarrett and deangelo williams. i hope clausen learns a lot this year because he will be our starter in 2012. richardson isn’t re-signing anyone for the 2011 season. if your contract is up…bye! d-will will be 28 or 29 years old (i think) when the next season of football rolls around, 2012, and he’ll be somewhere else.
i bet we draft a RB next year first after letting d-will go. cantwell and pike will be our back-up QBs.
but we’ll win it all this year, and that’s what matters.
by usana_gaines on Aug 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Homer
but we’ll win it all this year, and that’s what matters.
Im a fan and that would be excellent but that would be a major surprise.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
Read the last link from Rotoworld...
I think if Stewart makes it through another 16 games healthy, Williams is probably gone. But Williams still won’t have many miles on his tires… He will catch on somewhere else in a big way.
It’s easy to overlook Williams as an elite back considering teammate Jonathan Stewart is just as talented. But Williams is still only 27 and has just 754 carries under his belt. By the time LaDainian Tomlinson was 27, he already had 1,702 NFL carries. Williams owns a ridiculous career 5.1 yards per carry average and has 25 touchdowns in his last 29 games. The dude can really play.
Panthers didn’t draft two RB’s in the first round back to back years just to let one of them walk away.
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
They didn't draft them in back to back years.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think so
The best interest of the team is to resign D Will and Kalil after this season. D Will has never complained about his contract situation, and that is amazing for a guy of his talent. I would be amazed if The Big Cat doesn’t pay him handsomely.
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Williams had a lot of mileage on his tires already.
Memphis ran him into the ground. He’s not quite as young as those stats would suggest.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
What..?
Please explain this thinking to me.
He has had one injury to date in 4 seasons. Last year was the first time he missed any game time, and even though he missed 3 games completely and played about half or less of 2 more and still put up 1100 yards rushing.
How is that “run into the ground”?
he has like over 900 carries or something at Memphis
I cant remember exactly but it was something like that. Im sure that is what he was talking about.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I understand that
But he’s never had a major injury and he’s only missed 3 games to date. You can’t discredited his production or importance to our team.
I would buy into this argument if he actually showed any signs of slowing down, but so far he’s been the man for the last 3 years.
Every RB hits the wall at 30. Even greats like LT.
Williams is 3 years away from that – so yes I’d give him a new contract until then.
However, bmoyer suggested that Williams didn’t have much mileage on his tires as he sat behind Foster for two years.
I’m simply saying that statement isn’t necessarily true. Memphis ran him into the ground during his collegiate career.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I think the "need to win" that's being discussed invloves pre-season games, not those in the regular season.
Everybody thinks we “need” to win when the games start to count.
And we will. Panthers will – when the season’s over and being reviewed – be the talk of the league.
dwill isnt going anywhere
The two back system is a proven commodity of Carolina, and with the extended season likely around the corner the need for RB’s to share the load will be more important than ever. Sutton is great but a Stewart/Sutton combo isn’t a Dwill/Stewart combo. They accentuate each other in a way that’s proven to work and the FO isn’t gonna mess with that. The fact that he’s a standup character, fitting in the mold of carolina character, is just added benefit and reason to keep him. And they’ll be back to being normally stingy with their money, rather than extremely stingy, once this CBA mess is over with. I don’t see Williams as one who’s tires will start falling off at 30, either.
by EyeSack on Aug 25, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like this "ridiculous" word you keep using
We won’t know if the trade we made to get Armanti is “ridiculous” for quite some time. You’re judging him way to quickly. Yeah it is well known that I am biased as an App grad, but this has nothing to do with bias. You’re judging someone who is a project (and who all sane App State fans agree is a project) based on the results of 2 preseason football games in their rookie year.
What is ridiculous is expecting to find a ready-made #2 WR in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft. You are not going to find that. If you do, you have gotten VERY lucky. The fact that our WR core rests solely on the shoulders of Smitty yet again and possibly the progression of Jarrett is no ones fault but that of the Panther organization. You cannot expect any rookie WR to produce starter numbers in their first year, when it happens it is a lucky blessing not an expectation.
Also, keep in mind that trading into the 2nd round probably would have cost us our 1st round pick yet again… so you make the call.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
first rounder for a WR that can contribute no problem
2nd rounder for a project???? that is….ridiculous. sorry. Hopefully he turns out to contribute this year. but I would rather use the the spot on someone who can return punts and catch some them. and play some WR. someone usefull
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Just putting it out there
Everette Brown was a 2nd round pick and he was a project as a 4-3 DE.
I think we can wait a year and revisit this discussion. This is the year we can discuss if Everette Brown was worth selecting with a 2nd round pick.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
i have never seen EB as a project
just another Mathis or Freeney. He was played DE at a high level during his time at Florida state
Edwards was a QB in Divison 1-AA…
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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To be a project it has to be a position change?
Don’t think that’s how it works. Pretty much anyone that is drafted that is not expected to make an immediate impact is a “project” and considering that Brown was the 4th man on the totem pole (behind Peppers, Brayton, and Johnson) I think that reasonably qualifies him as a project.
I tend to think the general meaning of 'project' is a player whose upside outweighs their NFL readiness.
Hence, the team that selects said player will need to work on coaching them up to be an NFL level talent.
Tim Tebow is a project
Colt McCoy is a project
Eric Norwood is a project
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Aug 26, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless McCoy is much quicker than I give him credit for, he's a waste of time.
Tebow is a project.
I’d argue Norwood is a tweener – rather than somebody that needs coaching up, he needs a coaching staff to find a role for him. Much like Thomas Davis – he wasn’t a project, the coaching staff just drafted a hell of an athlete (who was also a hard nosed football player) and simply found a role for him.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I agree with this
Norwood just seems like a guy who had incredible usefulness in college, and is definitely ready for the pros… however, he is not quite as physically dominating in the pros, so his new team needs to find a role for him that he can play well.
I think Ron Meeks is the man that can find a great way to use Norwood, after all, his game is speed, and Meeks loves his speed.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
I tend to think of it as
more of a longshot. but your definition makes more sense
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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youre not being fair at all
The fact is, its the draft. no matter if its a 1st or 7th round pick, you are never getting a sure thing no matter how sure you think it may be.
If you think it would have been worth it for us to trade a first round pick next year for one of the 2nd round WRs in this draft, then I would say that is very foolish, mainly because next year will be one of the thinnest drafts in a long time, and prospective starting talent will not make it out of the 1st round. 2nd rounders next year are probably equal to the quality we got in the 3rd and 4th rounds this year talent wise, so quite frankly, we probably didn’t lose much.
The team isn’t really expecting Armanti to conribute much this year, and it sounds like you are expecting him to contribute TO much.
My question is… why all this faith in Golden Tate? He has shown nothing so far to prove he will be a reliable slot receiver, not to mention the price ti would have taken to get him.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
And Armanti won two Walter Payton awards
I’m just saying Tate has shown just as little in the pros so far as Armanti has… the only difference is Armanti has a good reason why he is struggling, Tate does not.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
I think Tate on our team would have been sick
Him and Smitty on the same field with a beast running game…the kid would be a player. LIke Harvin did for the Vikes. It would have been a nice grab…but oh well
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Tate vs Armanti Preseason 2010
Golden Tate: 3 receptions for 13 yards
Armanti Edwards: 4 receptions for 32 yards.
Tate has 13 total yards. Armanti has two individual receptions longer than that.
I really don’t get so many folks seemingly wanting Edwards to be a failure.
I hate that Armanti messed up on PR duty more than most, but it seems as if some on here are reveling in it.
For what I contributed to this, in hoping the PR experiment was over, I apologize.
I certainly didn’t want it construed as criticism of Edwards, the play-maker, or the athlete, or the potential star in the NFL. I think when he’s properly groomed to be a WR, will excel at it, just as he has in college at a different position. The guy is a documented winner, and a great competitor, and an asset to the team.
I only meant I don’’t feel he’s best suited to be a PR. I’m not reveling in his errors. Lord knows, I couldn’t do it. It’s one of the most specialized duties in the league.
Agreed.
I never liked this assumed punt/kick returning role for Armanti. When you are trying to teach someone a new position, why make it harder on him and start teaching him multiple positions?
We need to focus on refining him as a WR, because that is where he is most needed. Once he gets the hang of that, then we can put him at the PR/KR spots.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
I hear what you & Big D are saying, but....
if your the Panthers coaching staff and your looking to make a serious run this season I say you gotta try Edwards as a returner because thats the area where he could make an immediate contribution right away and its an area that could put you over the top. You combine an effective return game with this defense and running game and your talking short fields and scoring opportunites galore.
I agree, its alot to ask of Edwards, but he’s a great kid with so much raw ability. I hope they stick with it for at least one more preseason game, see what happens, and then take it from there.
I dont want him to fail
i really really want him to succeed. But the move is starting to look stupid to me. I am being very impatient I know. and maybe I am expecting too much from the reports out of OTAs and all the guys here that were talking about him since last season. But i dont feel that we have the time to wait on this guy. We NEED to win this year. we NEED to go deep into the playoffs THIS year.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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Now that surprises me.
I might have to catch the next Seahawks game to work out why they’re not using him.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I do think Tate will end up being the receiver the Front Office is hoping Edwards will be.
A Smith clone, though not as good.
He’s built like a running back – so he has that excellent first step explosion and change of gears that makes things like the smoke route so dangerous. He can make a man miss and take it 30 yards before anybody can react.
I just don’t see that in Edwards – he’s a different type of receiver. He’s looks more like Randle El than Smith.
That said, no way I take Tate over Clausen.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Edwards has that first step in him, right now though I think his head is spinning
He is trying so hard to do everything the coaches have planted in his head that he isnt acting purely on instinct. That is something that will take time to develop.
Many times at App you would see Armanti in the pocket, then the pocket would collapse, Armanti plants his foot and ZIP! he’s gone. Sometimes straight up the gut. He does have the initial burst. Right now I think he is focusing on running crisp routes and is not quite so focused on getting off the line quickly.
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I never saw him play in college - but I'd be wary that that initial step is only quick in comparison to
D-linemen. Ones that played at a much, much lower level than he’s playing now.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
thats what im thinkin
being the athlete that he is and playing QB in 1-AA has made him look more talented than he is. I hope not but Im afraid so
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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No way I would take Tat over Clausen either
but Iwould have made a move for Tate over making a move for Edwards. even if it was a first round pick that I would have had to give up. In our system on our team h would be very productive. year one.
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~Winston Churchill
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The Clausen to Tate handcuff would have been nice...
But not for a future 1st rounder.
Especially when a guy like Julio Jones would be available in the 1st round of 2011 (and yes, I do think we’ll need another WR next draft)
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Im not sure of who is going to be available in the first round this year
I hope theres a WR that can fit the bill. But we do need one. WR, LB, CB, OL,DT.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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It's a bumper crop of 1st round WRs in 2011
A.J Green (top 5)
Julio Jones (top 15)
Jonathan Baldwin (top 15)
Michael Floyd (top 20)
Lots of DE’s and DT’s too… it’s really early right now to project but the LB corps doesn’t look too strong in the 2011 draft.
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by James Dator on Aug 26, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
damn
doesnt look like a good WR will be there at the 32nd overall pick. A LB could emerge by years end maybe. we will probably be able to find a quality under the radar Meeks CB in the 3rd or 4th. we do have 2 3rd round picks thank god.
Edwards SITFU!
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
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I'd add Ryan Broyles and Austin Petite
of Oklahoma and Boise State respectively. Broyles in particular i want to see in action.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 28, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Much ado about nothing
The Panthers WR’s are going to be just fine, just by watching Smitty and wanting to play to his level will make all these guys step up. And Smitty will be able to teach/coach them all, just look at the game against the Jets, After Edwards fumbled Smitty was over there talking to him explaining what he needed to do the next time. I will take Jarrett, Lafell, Edwards, Gettis, Wright, and K. Moore along with Smitty and be happy. It takes a QB and his reveivers a little while to gel and trust, and when they do that LOOK OUT NFL!!!
You're asking far too much of Smith there.
I’m sure he can provide some guidance, but to ask him to take three (I see Edwards, LaFell and Gettis making the roster) WRs under his wing AS WELL as keep his own play at a high level?
That’s what you have a wide receivers coach for.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I don't get all the talk about Golden Tate
With Jimmy Clausen on the board….and you’re gonna pass that up? I don’t think so
Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.
Tate never got open at ND. Clausen just slung him the ball right where it needed to be for him to make the catch. Although Moore is our starter and i am fine with that i would like to see Clausen to Smith just once. I think they would mesh well but its Smiity who wouldn’t
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I think you're understating the receiving options Clausen had at ND.
Floyd, Tate and Rudolph are all very talented players. The remarkable thing about Clausen was that he was able to get them the ball despite having no O-line to protect him.
Sure I think he made them look slightly better than they actually are, but not substantially so.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Ok, on 3...
let’s all take a nice, deep, cleansing breath. Anxt to be ramped up after Saturday’s game…pretty please.
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