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Panther Paw Prints: Ravens Preseason Game Edition

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This edition of Paw Prints is focused on those links that reveal some finer points from the Panthers first preseason game of the season against the Ravens. Let's start with one of up and coming stars, FB Tony Fiammetta. Tony F might have been a little motivated playing in from on his home turf for the first time:

Playing at M&T is a treat for Fiammetta - The Frederick News-Post Online
"It's cool to come back to Maryland and play 40 minutes away from home," Fiammetta said. "The last time I was here, I was watching a game. Watching a lacrosse game, I think it was. I never thought I'd be playing in this stadium."

He had some crunching blocks in the 1st quarter. You did them proud I'm sure Tony...Lost in translation was the fact Dan Conner was wearing the mic for the defense, creating a potential for mis-communication between he and Beason. But it went pretty good:

A loss to build on - CharlotteObserver.com
"You know what, we've practiced it so much now it feels like second nature," Beason said. "(Connor) did a good job making calls. I didn't have the mike, so I had to get the plays signaled since I was only playing one quarter. That was new, it's been so long since I had to learn all the signals."

I think the current line-up at LB is the way to go, Beason is a quick study and Anderson's size suits the SAM...more after the jump...

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Now to the more sully news, from the Ravens media outlets here is their take on the game:

Baltimore Ravens News, Blogs and Fan Sites With Baltimore Ravens Message Boards, Fan Forums, Baltimore Ravens Blogs, Articles & Analysis on the Ravens - Columns - Articles - RAVENS REPORT CARD: Ravens 17, Panthers 12
Defensively, the pressure put on the inexperienced Carolina quarterbacks from the Ravens front seven was promising, especially after head coach John Harbaugh identified interior pressure as the team’s number-one priority coming into training camp. If anything, this defensive strategy was made more critical by the fact that the team’s top three cornerbacks were out for the game. There’s no doubt that it helped a patchwork secondary shine throughout the contest, easing fans’ greatest fears a bit – at least for this week.

Now from our camp:

Observation deck: Carolina-Baltimore - NFC South Blog - ESPN
4. The pass rush is very much a work in progress. When it mattered with the first and second teams, the Panthers had stretches when they didn’t generate any pressure on Joe Flacco and Marc Bulger. But they also had a few flash plays where they did. The good news is veteran Tyler Brayton had two sacks on Flacco. The bad news is Brayton suffered some sort of ankle injury on his second sack. We don’t know the extent of that injury yet. The most encouraging news is rookies Greg Hardy and Eric Norwood showed some real flashes. If I’m John Fox, I let Brayton sit for most (or all) of the rest of the preseason. The Panthers know what they can get out of Brayton. They need to find out more about what they can get from Hardy, Norwood, Charles Johnson and Everette Brown.

Here's to hoping Brayton get's to 100% soon. Can't wait to see if Hardy starts against the Jets....Concerned about the offensive line? 

Not time to panic over Panthers' line - CharlotteObserver.com
"I think I was just maybe too excited and had some energy going and maybe didn't have the greatest technique. So as an offensive lineman, you've got to be able to play calm and cool. It wasn't anything major, it was just a rough string of events. It's really not a big deal in my opinion. I mean, if it was happening all the time, but I don't really get called for holding too often. That's not really part of my game I hang my hat on, so I think I'll be all right."

Let's hope Jordan's play doesn't remain gross (pun intended)....If you were wondering what Pro Bowl player was abusing Gross it was...Antwan Barnes?

Antwan Barnes gives Jordan Gross fits | National Football Post
Substituting for Pro Bowl outside linebacker Terrell Suggs, Barnes whipped Gross at least three times. He drew two holding penalties against Gross to nullify a pair of completions that would have gone for first downs. "My whole goal was just to get to the quarterback," Barnes said. "Unfortunately, I got held in the process. I would love to get a sack in the process, but a hold is good, too. I didn’t plan for him to hold me, I just wanted to beat him. I’d rather get the sack than the hold."

That was ugly...So Faoxy was saying the expected things in response to the offensive line's play:

Camp notes: Fox, Thursday's issues correctable | thursday, camp, correctable - Sports - Gaston Gazette
"We didn't pass protect as well as we needed to," Fox said. "When we game plan, we look at four games. You know exactly what the opponent is going to do. You see all their blitzes; you see all their pressures; and you see their personnel. "One frustrating part about preseason is you don't get the opportunity to game plan, so a lot of it is new and you have to understand basic concepts and some of the finer points of things without actually repping them. Sometimes that's kind of expected. That was an area we need to get better."

Of course the Bleacher Report has it's usual 'the sky is falling' mantra:

Panthers-Ravens Recap: Analyzing Carolina's Performance | Bleacher Report
Defense - The Ravens first-team offense dominated the Panthers' top defense and marched down the field twice for a quick 10 points. The linebackers couldn't stop the screen plays and the secondary struggled mightily without Chris Gamble. Captain Munnerlyn gave up a long TD pass to Mark Clayton, but it was probably Charles Godfrey's fault for not getting over there sooner.

Slightly unrelated, here's a quick rescription of the NFC South's history of worst to first, that was broken up by Carolina in 2008:

NFC South's history of worst to first - NFC South Blog - ESPN
In every season since the division began play in 2002, the last place team has jumped to first place the following year with only one exception: 2008. Since divisional realignment, that has happened 12 times all around the league and precisely half of them have come from the NFC South. Also, each NFC South team has done it at least once.

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Fox gave a good reply to the reasons the offense didnt do as well as expected.

The clip you posted of him must have been cut just short of a good reason for it. He went on to say they hadnt practiced at all for the Ravens 3-4 defense. He said the rushing & blitzing come different in it & they hadnt practiced that formation at all. Thats what game planning is.

by MrBernz on Aug 15, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Reasons for believing!

OK here we go the Pathers O-line was a little off balance but Gross hasn’t practiced alot with his leg, it’s also his first game in 8 months? Next the ref being in the backfield puts another pair of eyes watching the lineman block so there are going to be alot more holding penalties this year in my opinion. Now Brayton played a hell of a game in his short stint, then Hardy was the most impressive Defensive player of the night, along with some supporting help Norwood. The backers were ok but Beason you can tell he’s not quite ready for his new position. Brown was there but didn’t provide anything spectacular. Jarrett made a nice grab but was negated by the holding call. Kenny Moore is a great WR he catches everything that comes his way, sticky hands he has! Edwards shows that he is struggling some but in the end will pay off, Lafell looked very good, the TD pass if you will watch it again, the defender got a hand in there to break it up Lafell didn’t have as good a shot to catch that as most people think. Clausen impressed me with his generalship, I was VERY pleasantly surprised at his play. Cantwell looked lost, Pike we will never know one series doesn’t help I would like to see more of Pike and Cantwell in future games, we saw Clausens potential. Overall pleased with the play that I saw, it was a close game with a very physical team. One more note I was hoping the Panthers would draft Terrence Cody and after I saw him play I remember why, he held Kalil with one arm and made a good tackle with the other and plugged the middle all night. We missed on that one, but hey I am optimistic about the season I say we go 10-6 and make the playoffs!!!

by NCByrdman on Aug 15, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point on the holding calls.

Moving the Umpire from behind the DT’s to the offensive backfield will result in MANY more OH calls this season, IMO. An active DE can buy himself many of these. Think, for example, how many times, to our eyes, Julius Peppers was being held, yet got no calls. Now, those will be obvious to the umpires. Left OT’s will have to be efficient in their technique to avoid these. Hope Jordan Gross will adjust.

by bigdavis on Aug 15, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

We got Jake Delhomme highlights

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns/09000d5d819c3624/Browns-vs-Packers-highlights

In his first ever Brown’s debut, he marches down the field for a TD, 6 of 7 for 66 yards. I’ve been on the start Moore train for over a year now, but it still hurts a little seeing Jake in that ugly orange. I hope he keeps this up though and ends his career on a high note.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Aug 15, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually my favorite part of the highlights involving Jake...

…was seeing him immediately congratulating Wallace on the scramble and TD throw.

by Mr.Sticky on Aug 15, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was time for him to move on.....

But you are right, he will be missed. My son and I each bought a #17 jersey @ the Sports Authority in Greenville for $9.00 last week when we went down for training camp. I hope Jake does well in Cleveland.

by ALAC on Aug 15, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is encouraging to hear about Jarrett

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/

Receivers coach Tyke Tolbert raves about him, but discussing his size advantage, said “he doesn’t have to be open to be open.”

It’s a good thing because he rarely ever is open. But maybe he can become a solid #2 despite this.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Aug 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh I love it, love it, love it (somewhat unrelated, but I am elated)

Julius Peppers was shut down by San Diego Chargers’ backup LT Brandyn Dombrowski who was playing in place for Marcus McNeil who’s holding out.

Peppers didn’t record a single tackle…

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by James Dator on Aug 15, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

he has his money

and it’s preseason. I’m sure he won’t show up this season until the charlotte game

by EyeSack on Aug 15, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on reports, it wasn’t about the money it was that we decided not to resign him at all. They actually did not contact his agent and try to negotiate anything.

by aceofsween on Aug 16, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

They offered to make him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL in 2007

That was AFTER he had a whopping 2.5 sacks for the season. And he turned it down.

He made his own bed.

May crazy drunken Bears fans forever make him regret he went elsewhere.

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by BW Smith on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've certainly seen this before.

It might get worse in Chi Town since they don’t have a carrot to dangle in front of him. I can’t wait to see how Pep reacts when the fans up there start riding his a$$. The grass is rarely greener on the other side.

by ALAC on Aug 15, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

suddenly Shockers creeping around on the jetski outside his house won’t seem so bad

by EyeSack on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can somebody explain to me why we traded into the 3rd round by giving up a 2nd round pick next year to take Armanti Edwards when 6 picks later bengals took Jordan Shipley. Isnt shipley everything we want edwards to be yet he already knows it

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by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 15, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

i know armanti is a project im just watching the broncos vs bengals game and shipley is catching everything and is a hell of a return man. Don’t see why we didn’t give him a look

"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar

by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 15, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does he have dreads??

No. End of discussion.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Armanti is a outstanding athlete. Give him time.

Fourth and inches is the distance between obscurity and immortality.

by Smitty89 on Aug 15, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats my whole thing im not against armanti and i hope he does well but why take a project WR/PR when we need one now not later

"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar

by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you...

I like Armanti but I didn’t think we needed to trade up to get him. We could have easily filled our needs with the picks we had. Edwards might have been there for us a round or two later. Hurney does a good job though so I’ll trust him on this. Time will tell.

by ALAC on Aug 15, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hurney has made a lot of great moves but WR hasn’t exactly been one of them. Smith we lucked into i mean he was a pro bowl return man before he ever was a viable receiver. Who knows what the future holds for armanti but i don’t any team had him higher then the 5th round and we need WR"s now not tomorrow.

"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar

by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone had him (Armanti) above the 5th round, which is why we traded up

At least one NFL exec admitted that their team was interested in Edwards, and from further reports it appears he was one of those players that every team had on their roster but they were all playing chicken to see how low they could get him.

The Panthers traded up because they had a belief that the Colts were planning to take him 94th overall, this ultimately was confirmed by an Indianapolis sportswriter who said Bill Polian had ‘significant interest’ in Edwards.

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by James Dator on Aug 16, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Though one wonders how Indy would have used him

would they have used him as we plan to or keep him more in the QB scheme

by EyeSack on Aug 16, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

taking a look at painter they could use a back up QB.

"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar

by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 16, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

im almost certain colts have plenty of WR’s at the moment where they could wait and see what turns up mean while we have Steve Smith and…..well thats about it. Im not saying he is a bust or a bad pic time will tell but WR is the one position we don’t really have time for when it comes to projects.

"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar

by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 16, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't it a mute point though anyway?

The Panthers didn’t get to choose between Edwards and Shipley, they chose between LaFell and Shipley .

LaFell was the 78th pick, Shipley was the 84th and Edwards was the 89th.

If Shipley was still on the board when we took Edwards I could see the argument, but honestly I think LaFell was a far better pick than Shipley if we’re looking at the players we could have drafted.

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by James Dator on Aug 16, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

and if anybody wants to verify they can go to the NFL draft results page.

and for the education of all its a ""moot point." Sorry James.

by LittleKing on Aug 16, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worst part... I KNEW THAT

This is why I almost always follow my ‘no posts before 8 am’ rule.

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by James Dator on Aug 16, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't post if I had a rule like that

I am not an English aficionado (I had to lookup that spelling) by any means. If I tried to make every post correct my rule won’t be “no post before 8 am” it would “no post ever.” lol

by LittleKing on Aug 16, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah no question.

LaFell is a better player.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Polian doesn't have the greatest success in the third round though.

I think Edwards will eventually become what Shipley is now, and he is at least twice the athlete. Although I have to admit, Shipley intrigued me. Reminded me of Ricky Proehl, imo the most underrated offensive player the Panthers have ever had suit up.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Aug 16, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea i was echoing the same thoughts in draft time

i had some crazy man-crush on jordan shipley and was upset about armanti edwards being picked so early (especially with the tradeup)

but i’m crossing my fingers that we get lucky again, being that Hurney’s ability to choose WRs is not stunning (save one notable)

by vitzeng on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steve Reed's take in Hardy vs Brown

Reed thinks instead of Hardy beating out Brown for the #3 DE, we could see a situation on 3rd downs where Johnson moves to DT and Brown and Hardy are both in at DE. I think I like the sound of that. Move your slower DE in and keep your quickest fresh legs on the ends.

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by southtunnel on Aug 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love that idea.

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by James Dator on Aug 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Count me in as a fan of that move.

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by BW Smith on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Note how Peter King gushes at the idea - when the Giants are using it.

It’s August, and the Giants again have the best defensive front in football.

ALBANY, N.Y. — You see how far that got them last year. Too many injuries last season, from the start. Chris Canty, the rich free agent, and Rocky Bernard and Fred Robbins. Once the season began, Justin Tuck got dinged, and Osi Umenyiora got trashed inside and outside the building. It was pretty much a disaster.

This year, new defensive coordinator Perry Fewell has lots of toys to play with, and the Giants could play some of the most interesting line combinations the league has ever seen. Fewell has experimented with rushing four defensive ends — from among Tuck, Umenyiora (up to 257 from 250), Mathias Kiwanuka, first-round pick Jason Pierre-Paul and Dave Tollefson, who is having a great camp — with no tackles on some passing downs. Tuck is playing all four line spots in practice. Canty’s playing all over the line too. "So far it looks good,’’ Umenyiora said.

The Giants won the Super Bowl three season ago by sending blitzers through the A gap (over and around the center) as well as around end. This year, they’re experimenting with sending different end/tackle and end-end combinations from everywhere. A healthy Giants team will create more problems than any defensive front except the maniacally variable Jets.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/08/15/mmqb/1.html#ixzz0wnbsqOvo

by bigdavis on Aug 16, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doh! Meant this to be a new comment

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by southtunnel on Aug 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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