Panthers vs. Ravens: The Good, Bad, and Ugly!
by jkp1516 on Aug 12, 2010 11:39 PM EDT
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The Good:
Greg Hardy- Looks to be as good as advertised with 5 tackles and 2 sacks. Truly is Lil’ Pep sans the slacking off…
Eric Moore- Previously thought he was a nobody buried on the depth chart, but with 5 tackles, 1 TFL, and 1 FF, Moore may be in serious contention for a roster spot as a DE.
Jimmy Clausen- Looked great commanding the offense, making his reads and progressions, and simply slinging bullets around the field, though he REALLY needs to work on successful direct and shotgun snaps! 8/15 for 80 yards isn’t bad, and you can throw that INT in the trash because Dexter Jackson fell while the ball was in the air.
Dwayne Jarrett- Although most Panther fans have already given up on him, he looked good in the few plays he played. And even though he only had 1 documented catch, he would’ve had a clutch 30 yard play for a first if it wasn’t for a BS holding call that didn’t happen.
Run Blocking- Again looks dominant. Although this is great for our offense, please see Pass Blocking below.
Fiammetta- Did a great job leading the way for DeAngello. On one play, Tony latched onto an oncoming LB like a leech and muscled him to the ground. Also caught 2 for 19 yards.
Josh Vaughn- Although we are stacked at RB, Vaughan wasn’t bad at all. Filled in nicely for a UDFA pickup, 11 carries for 48 yards.
Tyler Brayton- was dominating early scoring 2 sacks…
The Bad:
Tyler Brayton- was injured and out of the game immediately after his 2 sacks. Let’s pray that he is healthy…
Receivers- Where are they? RB Tyrell Sutton led receiving with 3 catches, and they were all either check downs or RB screens. Kenny Moore had some plays and Jarrett had his two catches, but no receiver really elevated themselves from the pack.
Armanti Edwards- From his performance, he’ll need a lot of time to adjust to WR and PR.
Brandon LaFell- Didn’t shine as expected to. Didn’t even have a catch. Could’ve had a TD, but dropped the ball.
Cornerbacks and Pass Coverage- Although Wilson recovered fumble for TD, he too often was out of position. Munnerlyn too disappointed in his start. Last our Secondary was the strength of our D, but it just wasn’t tonight…
Everette Brown- Even though speed is his forte, he still isn’t fast enough to reach a QB.
Linebackers- Not so sure that Beason at the Will and Connor at the Mike is really the best idea. Beason was often lost and not a factor while Connor did little…And James Anderson…was he even on the field??
The Ugly:
Special Teams- Simply porous kickoff coverage, and poor return ability. I wouldn’t even rate our ST as mediocre…definitely needs improvement.
Pass Blocking- Although the Run Blocking was great, the line couldn’t give any of our QBs time to throw or find a receiver. Yes the Ravens blitz heavily, but it seemed too often that our QBs were going down. And to add to the pile, our line consistently held and/or false-started
Tackling- Just wasn’t happening tonight. Looked like our players were all going for strip balls, and the Ravens simply ran through Panther arm tackles.
Fumblerooskies- 4 of them= 1 per quarter= WAYYY too many…
What do ya'll think were the good, bad and ugly from the first preseason game versus the Ravens??
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yea the defesive line was better than i thought..i hope tyler brayton isnt injured too bad, we need him…the back up running backs did good. williams didnt do to much, but obviously hes not gonna get alot of playing time..
but the recievers need to step up big time, same for the o-line. and our secondary was horrible. hopefully they get better.
if the panthers get better in those 3 areas i think we can have a pretty good season
You're so right about the DL.
EVERYBODY had them listed as a #! doubt. Yet we saw several guys stand out with their strong efforts, and efficient results.
Still a lot of healthy competition for starting positions, which will sort itself out in the 3 games to come.
The DL is NOT on my concern list any more.
C’mon now, I don’t know of anyone who had them listed as high as the #! doubt. That’s a little too much exaggeration.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
panthers.com had the DL as their #1 area of concern
http://www.panthers.com/news/article-1/Upon-further-review/6aa5d581-3092-4f27-858d-2fe6056aa61e
“holding the line,” they called it, and it was #1 of 5 areas for fans to keep an eye on.
I’m not saying it was the consensus worry of CSR fans, but the national media played it up as one of our major shortcomings, with the absence of Julius Peppers.
My light hearted humor once again fails to land.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 14, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I took you seriously, and thought you were right to call me out for exaggerating.
Had to look far and wide for something (anything) to support my rash statement. LOL
here it goes...
OL just needs some people to come back and time together..they will be fine. The Passing offense suffered because it’s new and most importantly the rain really hurt them. There were a lot of plays that would have been made if not for a slippery ball or slipping in the field. I’m not really worried. It will gel by Sept. DL did fine, even the horrible commentators noticed that it was supposed to be the question mark for the team but got good pressure the whole night. Line backers…I’m not sure yet. We got killed on the screen play….I hope that gets a little better. I saw NOTHING different about the ST…it looked like it did last year…with different players..Baker did fine..but the coverage was really bad and I hoping it was just the rain that caused all those bad snaps for the punts and field goals…
In Moore we trust!!!
I expect better from the STs. That's the biggest disappoint to me from this game...
Baker was fantastic, no problem there. Coverage in general was not good, although there was only the one break out against them. They have to be able to cover 50 yard punts; the out-kicked the coverage excuse ain’t going to wash with me.
Botched FG snap, missed extra point (AAARGH)!
Todd “Smoothie” Carter did not impress. Now, it was his first game, in the rain and high humidity, so maybe we’ll see better from him next time out.
Return game showed no improvement. I think Armanti will get better, and did a good job catching the ball, but it looked like he had some room and didn’t capitalize.
Improved STs are my “ace in the hole” for this season. They can turn a game around through big plays and/or field position. With the emphasis placed in the off-season, the coaches obviously recognized the importance as well. The first outing was, well, not a strong audition. I’m definitely going to be concerned if it doesn’t significantly improve game-to-game during the preseason.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
+ 1,000,000 on Armanti
We shouldn’t be upset that he didn’t have any big returns. The guy hasn’t caught a ball since high school. And his 1st attempt as a pro he caught every single punt/kickoff, in the friggin rain. He also seemed to run decent WR routes and get some separation. Those are the ABC’s that he’s picked up quick. The rest will come with more practice and then his athleticism will take over.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I’ll disagree with the review of ST… I saw part of the 2nd and some of the 3rd qtr… then had to go to the store… wife is just NOT understanding that football should take precedence over getting a stupid gallon of milk… which turned into a lot more…
Anyway, I saw the punts and each time I cringed… just like last year; but then the guy was usually tackled within 5 or 10 yards… except for that one time (at band camp) where he wasn’t touched… I say it’s an improvement from last year and the coaches will make sure it’s worked on.
The secondary wasn’t stellar but the TD catch against Captain should have been called back for pass interference.
I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong… it was 3rd and looooong for the Ravens… everyone lined up, and I was like, “Ok, here’s goes the big play… we’ll give it up for a first down or a TD.” And the Ravens were stopped… the QB might have been sacked even. It was cool.
Yeah.
I don’t know about that TD pass on Cap. The receiver had both his hands on Cap’s back, but whether he pushed him or not I couldn’t tell. I’m not sure what happened there. Cap sure looked like he got interfered with as far as his expression goes, but you can’t really go by that ’cause a lot of defenders do that after getting beat.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 13, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that call isn't as black and white as some make it.
Munnerlynn got beat, foul or not.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 13, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
He didn’t stand his ground well, the “push” wasn’t excessive (think Moose; it’s an accepted WR ploy), and I have liitle use for CB’s who get beat, and immediately go into full complaint mode.
Well, it was a weird situation. I’m not saying he was pushed, but if he was I could see how he could fall over and not be able to stand his ground. He was turning and looking up at the same time he may have gotten pushed. That’s a lot of off balanced momentum going on at the same time. I don’t know what to think of the play honestly. Cap was out of position on a couple other plays, but he was about as solid as you can ask for last year.
I don’t think we should jump all over him for one game, especially the first preseason game. I thought he made a good play early on during a similar deep ball anyway. I don’t see anyone getting all over Sutton’s case because of the fumble, and rightfully not. Let the players shake off the rust. We know what Cap and Sutton are capable of. It’s not at all a concern with me.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
it remined me of Smitty's catch in the Viking game last year
Smitty just outworked him, the defender got caught up trying to locate the ball and fell down. He also threw a fit saying he was pushed but they gave us the call.
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by John Chilton on Aug 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
When I saw it live, I said it was a push-off...
When I saw the replay, I said it was a definite two handed , arms extended push off. But the refs don’t always call ‘em like I see ’em, and bad calls have a way of leveling out thru the season. But if it wasn’t preseason, Id be pissed. I don’t see it as a bad play by Cap’n, though.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I will start a petition if I have to
But I do not want “Lil’ Pep” to stick as Hardy’s nick name. If he plays like he did last night, calling him Lil’ anything would be a huge disservice to him.
Not bad
Personally, I’d love to call him NFC Defensive Rookie of the Year, but I guess I’ll have to wait before I can start using that one.
This could happen. There is more upside to this player than any other on our rookie roster.
The WR’s will take time to develop their game. Hardy is scared of no man, and has the innate ability to see the play develop and react instantly. As opposed to E. Brown, he is not one-dimensional, and getting 2 TFL’s on rushes is monumentally significant.
By game 1 of the regular season, he should be a starter. He is just too fast, too strong, and too aware to be a situational player.
How about Greg Salty?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Few things I disagree with:
Again, I don’t think LaFell dropped that pass. It looked like a pretty solid deflection to me. I don’t know many receivers who would’ve held on to it with a defender pushing it out. You can argue that he should’ve came back to the ball and out jumped the defender, but that’s highly questionable considering the ball was too much of a line drive and short. I think Clausen did better than expected in his first start, but I think even he knows he messed up on that fade route. It’s one of the hardest throws to make in football though, so it’s hard to blame him either.
I thought the pass blocking was ok. The Ravens have the deepest defensive line in football in my opinion, so third string offensive linemen holding their ground against them was reassuring to me.
I don’t think you should blame the QB, Clausen, for the shotgun snaps.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Personal opinion?
I think the LaFell fade was 50-50…it could have had a little more distance in the air to keep the defender from getting a hand on it…and a confident, experienced, strong receiver could have wrestled it away from the defender. Like James said in another thread, give him a little more practice and a tongue lashing or 2 and Clausen won’t HAVE to be completely perfect in that throw. Smitty will help LaFell with the physicality…I have no doubt of that.
I'm on board with that
Clausen could have placed it slightly better. But this is going to happen and the receiver needs to make the adjustment. Moose was great in that situation at getting a little push off the DB to create more space. LaFell will learn and Clausen will try to position it better.
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+ A MILLION
I’m one of the biggest fans of Clausen and his performance on the field on Thursday, but even I could see that he didn’t get the ball high enough on that fade route. I think too many people here were listening to the broadcasters, who were morons for most of the game. Looking at the replay, that was a clear deflection by the defending player. The announcers were talking about how LaFell had to catch that because he has like 3 inches of height on the other player, but the fact is, Claussen should have thrown it about 3 inches higher and Brandon probably would’ve had a touchdown (assuming he caught it). To be clear everyone, it was not a drop, it was a deflection.
I don't understand why everyone is so high on the d-line after Thursday's game.
I mean, were we watching the same game???
Let me set it straight for everyone. What truly matters in the game is what our starting d-line did against their starting o-line, and if we were watching the same game, you will see that on many passing plays, Flacco saw no pressure whatsoever. Everette Brown looked terrible. The only instances we brought pressure were from Brayton on his sacks. He looked really good out there. Every other one of our starting d-line members didn’t do much of anything. This is all considering the fact that going in we knew they were going to be passing the ball more times than not (because that’s what you do in preseason unless you have some major running back camp battle).
Yes, when the backups were in after the first quarter, and the game was wet and sloppy, and there was pretty much passing all the time, only THEN did our d-line start to look good and we racked up the sacks and pressures. Mainly because Greg Hardy looks like a man-beast out there. But to be honest, none of that matters as much as what happened in the first quarter. If you’re able, watch the tape again. Aside from Brayton, you won’t like what you see.
Did you miss the deflected pass that Charles Johnson had?
Of course the announcers missed it, and dismissed it as just an incompletion, but slo-mo the play and you’ll see the trajectory altered. He must’ve been a foot off the ground.
they got a good shot in the photos from the game on NFL.com
you can see he has his hand on Flaccos wrist as he’s about to release
Founding Member of the Unofficial LaFan Club, #11 Brandon LaFell
by John Chilton on Aug 14, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Founding Member of the Unofficial LaFan Club, #11 Brandon LaFell
by John Chilton on Aug 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but he is getting blocked by a rookie tight end. I’m not sure if that was the only guy on him or not.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 14, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
a rookie tight end...
…who is seriously flirting with holding call.
A different play than the one I was referencing.
On the deflection, Johnson wasn’t close to the QB, but did the next best thing, and disrupted the flight of the ball.
Preferably he'd occasionally get to the QB before it's thrown
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Translation: This information does not go with my preconceived notion that the D-line, so I will dismiss it out of hand because I am incredibly stubborn.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 14, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I take it you have nothing to comment about the actual game?
I watched it again paying close attention to the D-line. The DTs got absolutely no push on any play. Charles Johnson got close to Flacco maybe twice. Other than Brayton’s 2nd sack, on which he did a great job, we got no pressure without rushing LBs.
Now I’m responding to a good argument that BigDavis made. How about you also make a football argument instead of 5 year old slandering?
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by southtunnel on Aug 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I’m responding to a good argument that BigDavis made.
And I responded to your dismissal of “He should’ve gotten the sack instead.” My point being, if the pass doesn’t go where it’s intended, what difference does it make?
I fail to see the relevance of everything else you said here. Red herring much?
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 14, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no clue what you are suggesting
You think a DE jumping in the air, swatting at balls has as high percentage success rate as tackling the QB? No, it makes a huge difference.
Bottom line Johnson put very little pressure on Flacco as did the DTs, and the 10-3 score is indicative of that.
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by southtunnel on Aug 14, 2010 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, I’m saying deflecting the pass so it harmlessly falls to the ground and getting a sack pretty much have the same effect.
Seriously dude, learn some reading comprehension. You’re resembling Procton more and more each day.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 15, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
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Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Aug 16, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably meant as a pet.
I don’t like them as pets either. They scratch and bite with no provocation. It’s really rude!
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Aug 16, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how they were raised...
…mine are very sweet, albeit extra stupid.
You're are the one that jumped in this thread just to start a fight
So your Procton name calling is a bit hypocritical. I don’t do that to your comments. This is exactly what you replied too.
Preferably he’d occasionally get to the QB before it’s thrown
Now you are dodging all my references to Johnson not getting pressure, just to make jerk comments. Again, if you disagree then that’s fine… I’m totally cool with that. But stop trying to pick a fight.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
actually they don't have the same effect
an incomplete pass on 1st and 10 makes it 2nd and 10
a sack on 1st and 10 makes it 2nd and anywhere from 10-infinity
huge difference from 2nd and 10, to say, 2nd and 19
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I'm with you on this one Chupacabra
No push from the DTs and our best DE’s look like Tyler Brayton and a rookie. That’s far from ideal. And people making a big deal out of 6 sacks need to pay more attention to what happened the other 50+ snaps.
The starters went out after Flacco’s early 2nd quarter TD. If you average out the productivity of the starters, we’d have had 8 sacks but Baltimore would have beaten us 30-9.
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And people making a big deal out of 6 sacks need to pay more attention to what happened the other 50+ snaps.
Six sacks is six sacks, dude. if you wanna worry that a lot of them came against backup o-linemen, fine. Don’t dismiss the number in and of itself however. That’s a good pass rushing day by anybody’s measure.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 14, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Right because all that matters on defense is sacks
Whoever gets the most wins despite the score… Only on your planet Slayer.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 14, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Right because all that matters on defense is sacks
I find this quote amusing coming from somebody who just dismissed Charles Johnson’s deflected pass by stating he should’ve gotten the sack instead.
That aside, as I said before, six sacks is six sacks. In a regular game, if you get that many sacks something weird would have to happen for you to lose. That was the point I was making. Not surprised you dismissed it via a logical fallacy. The above is all I said. Don’t put words in my mouth.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 14, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We got 2 sacks from the first team and were down by a TD
4 sacks later and we still lost.
You think 6 plays determines a game that’s fine. I think it takes a more consistent effort. But I’m not going to agree with you just because you decided to reply jerk comments.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 14, 2010 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reading comprehension
You don’t have it. Please re-read what I said. Carefully this time.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 15, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
None of the above..............................
It was the first preseason game, folks. I’m not concerned about anything yet.
I think Brown will be an upside surprise, especially if we can get pass rush in the middle from the DT’s that prevents the QB from stepping up and avoiding Brown’s speed rush.
At QB, Moore’s the starter, period. But don’t we want Clausen to be good enough to push him in case we need him if Moore is injured? Getting a little tired of this Moore vs. Clausen debate. I like em both, and glad to have them both on the team. Only makes us stronger.
+1 ... we learned a lot from this game, and played surprisingly well considering the youth
and conditions. We were also playing a very good team on the road. We didn’t game plan against a 3-4, especially one that’s bringing those kinds of blitz packages. I think we played it more vanilla than the Ravens, and we did so on purpose. For one, we’re naturally behind in the learning curve as far as stunts and blitzes. More importantly, we play them this season. In a way, it’s a good one to lose — we will be a different team when next we play.
There were some bright spots in addition to the negatives. Brayton showed he’s a force against bigger, slower, OTs. Fi blocking and receiving is a big positive. Rosario consistently open in the soft spot over the middle is another. The play of Hardy and Norwood, albeit against subs, was very encouraging. On the other hand, you can bet Meeks has us practicing how to recognize and stop a screen pass this week (C. Johnson picked one off in practice). And I’d like to place an order for some consistent punt coverage please. D-Line and LBs need some fine tuning, maybe personnel changes/position switches. My point is, we’re seeing what we have at this point. This is one preseason I’m glad is 4 games long.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
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