Panthers Offseason Position Reviews - Center
ontinuing with our offseason position reviews this edition looks at the offensive center position. The Panthers will enter training camp in a familiar position at center. Ryan Kalil emerged as one of the best centers in the league in 2009 and was rewarded with a Pro Bowl selection. He will anchor the line for many years to come...hopefully. He is entering his first contract year, meaning usually he would be negotiating a new deal. But...the whole lockout thing throws things up in the air...we've discussed it plenty here but it really goes back to January when Darin Gantt made his prediction of no new signings. But I digress...
Behind Kalil the Panthers will again give a look to some center prospects with perceived upside. A player can increase his chances dramatically if he can play multiple positions. Vying for one of the estimated four back-up offensive line positions the Panthers have some versatile young players. So let's take it from the top of the depth chart.
Ryan Kalil - 100%Starter at Center
In the 2007 draft the Panthers traded back from #14 with the Jets and selected Jon Beason at #25. With the added 2nd round pick the Panthers took the ultimate value pick in center Ryan Kalil, a guy the Panthers had a 1st round grade on. The Panthers already had FA signee Justin Hartwig at center and there appeared to be no need for a center at #59. Yet after his 3rd season Kalil has rewarded the Panthers with solid play and leadership.
The NFL Player Ranking site Pro Football Focus has Kalil ranked as the 4th best center in the league. He is most proficient as a run blocker (good thing!) but still is a solid fourth in all categories but penalties. Factor in his ability to stay relatively healthy and we have a great pick. So the next time you wonder if the Panthers should have kept that #14 pick in 2007 and taken CB Darrelle Revis remember we got two Pro Bowl players for one!
Steve Justice - 0% Chance to start; 25% Chance to make the roster (no PS eligibility)
Justice is a former 6th round pick by the Colts in 2008 that was a final cut down casuality the following season. Justice played in 8 games as a rookie with one start (at RG) in 2008. He also has experience at LG meaning Justice brings the ability to play three interior positions. The Panthers signed him to the roster at the end of the season. In college Justice was the runner up for the Rimington Trophy, given to the nation's top center. Here's what his former college coach had to say about him:
"Steve is as good an offensive lineman as we have ever had," said Wake Forest head coach Jim Grobe. "He has exceptional skills, is a team leader and an outstanding young man. He has a bright future in football and he is one player that we will truly miss next year."
It's not all roses though. The Colts blog called Justice a 'bad pick'. Here's another blurb on how well Justice played in 2008:
No chance Steve Justice earns a spot on the 53 man roster. DeVan was very good today and of course Jamey Richard and Mike Pollak could play center if necessary. Justice was terrible last year and was a big time miss by Polian.
CJ Davis - 0% Chance to start at center; 25% chance to make the roster; 50% chance to make PS
Davis was pegged as a center coming out of college but is now officially listed OG on the Panthers roster so he was covered during the review of the Offensive Guard position. Davis obviously brings versatility but his injury during training camp last season really set him back. He came out of college as a good prospect who wasn't the most athletic guy but he was strong. If Davis doesn't make the roster he's an even pick to land on the practice squad.
The Panthers also have OG Mackenzy Bernadeau as an option at center. Though its not his natural position he filled in adequately in the preseason. MacBern could make the roster yet there still be room for a guy like Justice or Davis if they can back-up all three middle positions.
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I see you kept the easy, short one for yourself.
Cool, cool lol.
I didn’t know Justice had such negative reviews out of Indy. He was cut though. I guess that should’ve clued me in. Maybe the Carolina offensive line coach can do something with him and get him up to speed.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Well of course I keep the easy work!
That’s why I get paid the big imaginary bucks!
Justice got beat out by a guy that was not a higher draft pick (I’m guessing since I’ve never heard of him).
How about he props to Kalil for being such a great pass blocker though he often gets the beefy DT up the middle trying to collapse the pocket. Come on JR you got to re-sign Kalil!
I like how when a 6th round pick that doesn't become a starter it's a 'Big time miss by Polian'
They’re 6th round picks for a reason…
Great breakdown Jaxon.
It’s all about Ryan Kalil. When it comes time to sign free agents next year he needs to be the absolute 1st player we get locked up. The Panthers can’t keep hoping to strike gold on getting good centers through the draft forever, and Kalil is the best we’ve ever had.
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so the colts went into the season with a rookie as the prime back-up and when struggled they end up cutting him? Makes me appreciate the Furney method of player development
by Jaxon on Jul 7, 2010 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, you and me both
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Well, there’s something to be said about moving on if a guy is struggling. Maybe I wouldn’t agree with cutting a drafted player because of a rookie year, but I also don’t agree with how this team clings to players who are clearly struggling year in and year out.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 7, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Delhomme who did you have in mind?
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Ok ...
First, let me say that all of these players are way better than I could ever be. I’m not trying to insult them, but I think Carolina clung on to these higher round players too long, despite not performing well. These are just the rounds 1-3 guys that I can recall. I could name some lower round players too.
DeShaun Foster: 5 years
Mike Seidman: 4 years
Keary Colbert: 4 years
You can make a case for Dwayne Jarrett. Personally, I think a player should get a pass his rookie year. Beyond that, I think two years is a maximum amount of time for them to start producing before they get cut. Colbert had a good rookie year, then did nothing for two years straight. He should not have gotten a 4th year. Seidman did nothing his first 3 years, and should not have gotten that 4th year where he just got hurt anyway. Foster was only an average running back. He never should’ve gotten promoted to a starting role, and after a 4.0 YPC performance in 2006 he should’ve been at best a poor man’s 2nd stringer. Yet, they kept him around for another year, and he did even worse.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 7, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Foster was a really good change of pace back in 02 and 03.
But injuries and fumbles took their toll. 06 and 07, when he was the starter, was when it really went downhill. I think we kept him long enough, what we should have done was phase him out more for Williams after 06.
Seidman I don’t know much about. I know he had a lot of injury issues, and I also know he really came on like Rosario near the end of 04. I don’t know if we held onto him too long.
As for Colbert, it’s hard to let go of a player who had that good of a rookie year. But hindsight is 20-20. ;)
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on Jul 7, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
its not a precise business
you try to give yourself options in TC and you take the best player you got
Good write up
You hit the nail on the head. The key to a great offensive line is depth and flexibility, and we have that.
Just checked out Justice’s numbers on PFF. He played pretty solid stepping in for Saturday. And it’s hard to unseat a guy who has Mannings right hand permanently indented in his butt.
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I didn’t realize the pick we traded was for Revis. I know the two for one thing….but makes you think about a Revis/Gamble duo.
+1 for Matt Moore
Aww man, could you imagine? They could play man coverage by themselves and let the rest of the defense do whatever. They could’ve pretty much blitzed every play.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 7, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Revis
I’d take Beason over Revis any day. Throw in Kalil and this is one heck of a good trade. Not to mention they didn’t have to pay a #14 overall salary either.
All-pro level MLB and Center, vs. one CB
Not even close. This move turned out fantastic!
I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde
zero chance no way Justice has a good a shot as any
We will see Mr. Justice on this 53 man roster when it is all said and done, we need a true backup center and a guy that can play all three interior lineman spots. Bernadeau needs to be the starting RG or at-least spell Robinson or have a 50/50 combo of both this year at RG since both are still so young.
Saw this guy at wake and Justice is smart, quick, and plays alot like Kalil; a little undersized but can excel in the right system. He is worth keeping on the 53 man roster send CJ Davis to the PS b/c I feel that is all he is worth at this moment in time.
I am pulling FOR STEVE JUSTICE PERIOD !
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 7, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
Wake Forest
Anyone from Wake Forest is smart and is a hard worker. You can’t get through that program without those qualities. There’s a reason they call it “Work Forest”. I’m thrilled they got Justice to back up Kalil. Solid move.
Hello. My name is Inigo Montana. You killed my coach... prepare to die.
by Inigo Montana on Jul 8, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing on the line for a Jim Grobe mis-direction offense ...
requires a lot of smarts and versatility, but doesn’t get you ready to step in right away in a pro-style offense. He needed some time, but he should be ready to bust out. He could be yet another versatile O-line backup, and we’ve seen how valuable they can be. Plus, he has a great name. (And as a Wake alum, I’m totally biased)
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