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Panthers Position Review - Running Back

 

It's no secret that the biggest strength of the Panthers' offensive attack is the running game. Loaded with one of the best – if not the best – running back tandems in the league, the Panthers stick to their old-school philosophy of establish the run on offense and control the clock, and for the most part this strategy has paid off for John Fox and the Panthers. (In fact, if you were to go back in time and replace Jake Delhomme with any quarterback not named Derek Anderson or Jamarcus Russell, and if a few key components on the defensive side of the football could have stayed injury-free, the results of the 8-8 2009 campaign would be vastly different.)

 

Let's face it: DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart are easily top ten running backs in the NFL, and fortunately for us Panthers fans, they both are on the same team – a team that loves to run the football – and both enjoy the other's success just as much as their own.

 

Take a look at the stats: 437 att/2250 yds/17 TD, first running back tandem in the history of the NFL to each rush for over 1100 yards (add in the fact that Williams only played in 13 games, and this becomes even more amazing).

 

Like I said before, it's no secret that the Panthers' strength is the running game, so let's take a look at the individuals who make up the running back corps after the jump.

 

Star-divide

DeAngelo Williams

 

2009 Stats:

 

G: 13 / GS: 13 / Rush Att: 216 / Rush Yds: 1117 / Rush TD: 7 / Y/Att: 5.2 / Y/Gm: 85.9 / Rec: 29 / Rec Yds: 252 / Y/Rec: 8.7 / Rec TD: 0

 

DeAngelo Williams is one half of Double-Trouble, the two-headed rushing monster that the Panthers are fortunate enough to have on game days. Williams was en route to another stellar season before a leg injury sidelined him for the final 3 games of the season. He should be ready to go this season, and shouldn't have any drawbacks from the injury that held him out of action towards the end of last year. There is a slight possibility that Fox switches roles between Williams and Stewart, because nothing is impossible, but I look for Williams to be the "starting RB" come September.

 

Chances of making roster: 100%

Chances of starting: 95%

 

Jonathan Stewart

 

2009 Stats:

 

G: 16 / GS: 13 / Rush Att: 221 / Rush Yds: 1133 / Rush TD: 10 / Y/Att: 5.1 / Y/Gm: 70.8 / Rec: 18 / Rec Yds: 139 / Y/Rec: 7.7 / Rec TD: 1

 

Jonathan Stewart is the other half of Double-Trouble, who comes in to run over defenders after Williams has dashed around them and caused the linebackers to lose most of their energy chasing him down the field, and Stewart relishes in his role as the hammer who drives home the final nail in the opposition's coffin on Sundays. Barring some form of alien abduction, Stewart is guaranteed a roster spot, and could take over the starting role if Fox decides to pound the ball down the defense's throat in the early part of the game, only to bring in Williams in the 2nd half to blaze by the defense en route to the end zone.

 

Chances of making roster: 100%

Chances of starting: 5%

 

 

Tyrell Sutton

 

2009 Stats:

 

G: 7 / GS: 1 / Rush Att: 12 / Rush Yds: 68 / Rush TD: 0 / Y/Att: 5.7 / Y/Gm: 9.7 / Rec: 6 / Rec Yds: 62 / Y/Rec: 10.3 / Rec TD: 0

 

Tyrell Sutton was a pleasant surprise last year when he was picked up off waivers from the Green Bay Packers, as he filled in nicely in limited duty at running back and fullback. Sutton has the tools to be a good backup running back, and he can be useful on the roster as the backup fullback, saving the team a roster spot with his double duty. Sutton also provides some depth in the return game, as he saw some action last year as a kick returner.

 

Unless Sutton was a one hit wonder (and I don't believe he was) I think he will make the roster. There is a chance that some kid will find his way on the roster during training camp and wow everyone while stealing Sutton's roster spot during preseason, because nothing is impossible (other than slamming shut a revolving door), but I don't expect that to happen, so I would say that Sutton is a safe bet to be on the roster after the final cuts have taken place.

 

Chances of making roster: 90%

Chances of starting: 2%

 

Mike Goodson

 

2009 Stats:

 

 

G: 8 / GS: 0 / Rush Att: 22 / Rush Yds: 49 / Rush TD: 0 / Y/Att: 2.2 / Y/Gm: 6.1 / Rec: 2 / Rec Yds: 15 / Y/Rec: 7.5 / Rec TD: 0

 

Save for a case of fumbilitis early in the year, Mike Goodson played fairly well in the limited action he saw. He has the tools to be a deadly weapon out of the backfield with his speed and pass catching ability, and could be seen as a valuable option in the slot in some offensive situations. He has elusive speed and could be used as a kick returner along with Sutton.

 

Chances of making roster: 85%

Chances of starting: 2%

 

Well folks, there you have it. There's really not much debate on the Williams/Stewart side of the equation (unless you guys want to discuss the option of starting Stewart and bringing in Williams as the change of pace back), but the Sutton/Goodson decision should be interesting fodder to keep us busy for the next few days or weeks.

 

If the Panthers were to cut one of the four backs during training camp, I would put my money on Goodson not making the roster, based on the fact that Sutton can play fullback in a pinch, and seems to be better suited for this squad.

 

Agree, disagree? What do you think?

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DANIEL PORTER IS GONE!!! DANIEL PORTER IS GONE!!!

Sorry … you brought it all rushing back … =(

Ha ha, I made a pun. Anyway, back to the real discussion, I don’t think Williams’ and Stewart’s running styles are really all that different. People say it’s a smash and dash type of tandem, but I think they have virtually the same speed and power. Stewart powers through people will his huge frame, and Williams powers through people with sheer force of will. They’re really both the same kind of prime time backs. I agree with the Goodson and Sutton thing. I think Sutton is in a better position to make the team, but I think they’ll both do it. You left off Josh, the other RB, though. I doubt he’ll make it, but you never know. You should at least give him his 2 minutes of fame to make him feel special.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

DWill ~ JStew

I agree that they are similar – they both have speed and power. While JStew has the edge in dragging tacklers and DWill has the edge in being elusive, defenses can’t be positive about what the plan is regardless of who is in the backfield.

Sutton is clearly more versatile because of his blocking skills. Another gem – really nice job grabbing him.

by pieterzen on Jul 5, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sutton could become the next "Nick Goings"

Meaning the guy who isn’t good enough to start, but is versatile enough to make big contributions in a number of different ways. And in a pinch could fill in briefly as a starter. Fox loves guys like that.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Sutton is better than Goings.

I think he could start and do fine. The league is so much more stacked at RB now than when it was when Goings was around. There are lots of guys on teams buried in depth charts that could start.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 5, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goings filled in decently as a starter in 2004

Averaging slightly over 4 ypc, with a much worse O-Line then what Sutton is running behind now. But Goings made an 8 year career out of doing those odds and ends. Not too shabby for an UDFA. So Sutton could have found a nice niche and be around for awhile. Guys like that are highly undervalued.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The amazing thing about Double Trouble is...

They are best friends, unselfish, and intelligent enough to recognize that as a unit they are prolonging their careers, unlike that little ECU grad in Tennessee. I hope we can keep them both, but it might eventually become too expensive. As for Sutton, I like the way he hits the hole hard (that’s what she said). He’s kind of a bowling ball type like MJD, and he’s a good changeup for us. Goodson flashed so much potential in pre-season last year, then just fizzled. He’s on the bubble for sure.

I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde

by Rick Bates on Jul 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I question that unselfishness

More so for Stewart. I just can’t see a real star caliber competitor not caring about being the one on the field making the play. That’s why the “Steve Smith’s” are who they, because when a play needs to be made they don’t think there’s anyone else in the entire universe that is better suited but themselves.

Sure they’ve done a great job supporting each other. But I just don’t believe deep down that Stewart is content being a backup. His legacy is on the line, he’s better than that, and he knows it.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

One time I read something about him saying he wanted to be in the Hall of Fame one day. He also doesn’t seem as laid back and happy all the time like Williams is. I think he is more driven to start than people think. But, that’s all total conjecture.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 5, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eventually, they're going to split up. I just want a couple more years...

Blade’s reply made me think, though (yes, it did hurt). So I went and looked up running back tandems that both made the HOF. Care to take a guess anyone? Really, I mean don’t look it up, take a guess and see if you can get them.

I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde

by Rick Bates on Jul 5, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess a billion. I mean one. Maybe six. I don’t know … lol.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 5, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I can. I choose not to.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 5, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would one be from the Dolphins?

They had Larry Csonka, Mercury Morris, and Jim Kiick.

by bigdavis on Jul 5, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so, but only Csonka made it.

I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde

by Rick Bates on Jul 5, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other one's got to be Paul Hornung and Jim Taylor from the Packers of the late 50's, early 60's.

This shows how long it’s been since such a powerful 2RB tandem has dominated.

Of course, there’ve been several tandems that were great, but only one of them made the HOF.

by bigdavis on Jul 5, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, you win a cookie.

I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde

by Rick Bates on Jul 5, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly!

And I get ripped for saying it. That being said, if he does inwardly really want to start, then he’s done a great job of accepting his current role. But I can’t help to think that this duo is not a long term solution in Carolina.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I’m feeling like the Williams/Stewart CtS (Chance to Start; I’m cool because I’m too lazy to type out the whole phrase but then go on to type it out in parenthesis anyways, along with this line of explanation.) is 75/25. There has been lots of discussion about the possibility of Stewart starting but I don’t believe it has ever actually been legitimately questioned. Now could be the time. While it’s set in our minds that Williams is the starter, I have to imagine the coaching staff is going to be evaluating both for the starting job this year. If Stewart comes out as much a monster as was at the end of last season, does he squeeze the starting job away from Williams? I’m in favor of starting every game in the T.

Would that make us the first team to have two starting running backs simultaneously?

Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A

by D-Ranged1 on Jul 5, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

First, I don't think it matters to them which one starts. I'm with the poster formerly known ...

as South Tunnel, the ElBacono, now South Tunnel again. Start whichever one has the slightly better skillset against that week’s opponent. Or take turns, doesn’t matter.
I have to admit I’ve wondered about putting them both out there at the same time, and I’d like to see it, but only once in a while. I’d really like to see them both out there with Edwards in the shotgun. Just once…Please.

I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde

by Rick Bates on Jul 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta disagree, I think it does matter that Williams is the starter.

I don’t think there’s any chance that JStew could challenge for the starting job until he can practice consistently. You can’t have a guy that practices less than half the time as your starter when you’ve got another guy practicing all the time who is just as good a runner and blocker and a better pass catcher.

Not that I’m knocking the big guy from Oregon, not at all, but the guy from Memphis has earned his starting job and hasn’t done anything to lose it yet.

Still, that’ll be interesting to test out in Madden, putting Stewart in to tenderize the defense and DWill coming in later to sprint past them.

by r3 on Jul 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're more likely to do this with Sutton

Because he’d be familiar carrying the ball or lead blocking.

But how about this…
Let’s take out the QB and direct snap to Edwards in the backfield with 2 RB’s. You’d have 3 guys that could run the ball, 2 guys that could lead block, and still have a pass option. Eh? Not that I have a clue how to draw up something like that… But it’s fun to dream :)

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a running back who used to play QB too. Then, the offense would be unstoppable and rule the world!! AHA HAHA HA HA!!!! Excellent …

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 5, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should sign an ex-QB to every position

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goodson was a 4th round underclassman.

He needs to mature. He has homerun written all over him. Just way too much potential and upside to let go of. nevermind the fact that he has a 4th round pick invested in him. If they let go of one it can’t be Goodson. But I think they keep both anyway.

let me touch on goodson just a bit more..(no homo).. Goodson was breaking guys ankles in college. He was just cutting people up . He was young. So when he came here he thought he could do the same thing. He was probably hearing from coaches 1 cut and go but during the game with the pressure of the real season and to perform and being a rookie and the speed of the NFL…its probably hard to fight your instincts. And his insticts is to cut, cut, cut, cut, burn. He will mature in time…well atleast he should mature in time. And I think they will give him that time, no less than 3 seasons.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Well I said earlier he's on the bubble, but you make a good point...

I’m the first to say, don’t be too hard on rookies (no homo). While it’s widely considered that running back is the easiest transition from college, that may not be true for a runner like Goodson. So I would be for giving him another year, but not if it means cutting Sutton.

I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde

by Rick Bates on Jul 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

His biggest problem is his lack of patience.

He is so quick to bounce it outside rather than reading and reacting to his blockers. You guys are right, he’s got to make that transition from being the fastest guy on the field to being a fast guy who uses that speed at the right time. That’s what makes CJ so fantastic in Tennessee, his ability to run between the tackles, wait for the hole, then explode through it.

You’ve got to trust your blockers to make that hole, and be in place when it opens. That’s where Goodson needs to focus his energy, on developing that patience. He should watch Stephen Davis’ 2003 season, any season from Priest Holmes in KC, or CJ last season in Tennessee. Those guys all did it the right way.

by r3 on Jul 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

All 4 make the team

There is no way any of these guys get cut…especially since Sutton has shown the ability to play FB in a pinch.

by rawjem01 on Jul 6, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but what about the fumbles?

I remember hearing that he had a problem with that in college too. And that’s often something guys have a very hard time over coming… Especially once defenders know you are prone to do it. He also needs time on the field to improve, but a fumble or two and Fox will yank him off quickly.

Maybe he figures this one out… But that’s currently my biggest concern for him.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

All running instincts and habits aside… the fumbleitis is what will hold him back from a productive career.

He seemed to have a very slight build coming out of college, maybe with a years worth of NFL level conditioning he has developed the strength to tuck that ball away and keep it off the turf.

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by Tater596 on Jul 5, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

well the Fumbles were a problem

But he is going to over come that whenever that time gets there for him. Ask AP how long that could take.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 5, 2010 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

AP has the luxury of being a ProBowl caliber RB

Meaning he’ll get more carries after he fumbles, Goodson won’t. Speaking of AP, the fumbles should bring him back down to earth a bit… He’s def over-hyped.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he is

But Goodson has the luxury of not having to perform right away. He can really just hide somewhere and work out the kinks. he was in a hurry last year. this would be his actual rookie year. so we just might not see anything out of him till next year. and ii would be surprised if they gave him even 1 more year on top of that to develop. just so much potential. you cant really throw it away. see Jarrett ,Weezy.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 6, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldnt*

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 6, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goodson will stay, he's proven he's a good preseason runner.

But he does need to perfect his one cut and go style. He could be great, and he offers so much upside in the passing and return game. I think he makes the roster, but it’s not set in stone. More like a 90% chance.

As for Sutton, he’s our new Nick Goings. He’s not incredibly talented athletically, but he does a little bit of everything, and is a complete team player. If we had to go to him as a starter, I wouldn’t feel too terribly bad. It is a huge dropoff from Double Trouble to Sutton, but he is a capable runner.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 5, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Doh! You stole my thunder

I wrote almost the exact same thing at the top :)

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it first. :)

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than running the football what does Goodson give the Panthers?

Remember, this was the reason he was drafted. The electricity, the potential in the passing game, the potential in the return game… and we saw none of it.

Sutton on the other hand proved he could step in and play FB in a pinch.

When you get down to third string running back it’s not just about who can run the football, because both Goodson and Sutton can, it’s about what other utility roles can that player fill to round out your football team. Unless Mike Goodson proves that he has other useful skills other than being able to run extremely fast he’ll be on the outside looking in.

My gut tells me we’ll keep both of them because the maturation process for Goodson isn’t complete, but if we had to draw a line in the sand right now Sutton is able to offer more to the Panthers at this juncture. It’s the classic argument of readiness vs. upside.

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by James Dator on Jul 5, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I think there were 3 things that contributed to Goodson's lack of fulfillment last year --

1) the throat-slash gesture in the EZ, in the pre-season, that might have led to chastisement.

2) the fumbles, that coaches can’t tolerate, and

3) the hesitation in hitting the holes ( that close so much faster than he was used to in college.)

by bigdavis on Jul 5, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember him having a pass thrown to him in the regular season

But he had at least one really nice sideline catch that I remember in the Preseason. I remember thinking, Wow, I hope we do that in the regular season… But we never did anything but run him up the gut, and the guy clearly just wasn’t built or ready for that. But why didn’t we ever try to get creative and get him the ball in space?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well ok

Not much of a pass, but he did get a 1st down. I think we need to see more of this.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah a lot more

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 6, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

but how about #89?

staying on his feet after that hit! then running in for the TD getting slammed on the broken arm, holding onto the ball. and getting up beating his chest!!!! Damn he is a beast.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 6, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember hearing that Goodson was gonna get some time in the slot….maybe he starts doing that a little more?

+1 for Matt Moore

by Smitty89 on Jul 5, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd love to see that

But we have a lot of guys to put in the slot now. I don’t see that rotation getting to Goodson to often.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 5, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...

…as a potential KR/PR, ST, RB, AND slot receiver, I don’t see him getting cut unless he gets all emo and continues fumbling, thereby cutting himself.

by Mr_Sticky on Jul 5, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly what i thought, but maybe they follow through with that plan a little with all the changes in the passing game. Although i still don’t see it happening

+1 for Matt Moore

by Smitty89 on Jul 5, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well what we can do is...

come out in the i formation that we love, with Goodson and fiammetta in the backfield and then audible to a Shotgun or a Single Back formation. Send Goodson out into the Y and cause all kinds of mismatches.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 6, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's formation I'd like to see...

A wildcat/non-wildcat formation with Armanti Edwards at the QB spot, Mike Goodson lined up at the RB position, and Steve Smith coming in motion. Which of those three burners are you going to anticipate and react to getting the ball?

by NSpicer on Jul 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Goodson, until he shows me he can pick up more than 2 yards per carry.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 6, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, the sad truth

The guy falls down whenever he’s sneezed on. I’m hoping he learns from Double Trouble though because he could be killer once he gets through the line.

Sort of reminds me of Jozy Altidore in that he’s a superb athlete, just doesn’t know how to play in the pros yet.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hehe, I'm sensing some bitterness here. ;)

If Goodson can prove his usefulness to us in the passing game, then he’ll have a future here. Last year, our offensive deficiencies prevented us from really using Goodson. Along with the fumbles of course.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 6, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering how he was used last year

I don’t think he’ll be having too many passes coming his way. We have a ton of receivers now that need minutes, and alot of guys in the backfield that can catch too. I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see him getting many opportunities.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good point.

But if we can develop another weapon…..

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 7, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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