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Notes from Day 1 & 2 of the Panthers Training Camp

After three sessions I figured it was about time to share my thoughts on what I've seen (or at least attempt to share). However, first I want to address something I saw on the Observer's blog today; an exchange in the comments section highlighting the updates I was giving. While I realize the comments appeared to be made in good spirit I wanted to add my thoughts to the subject.

I appreciate the support and we do want readers here at CSR, my intention is not to show-up the reports on the ground but only to share the simple observations I've seen. I am not an expert on the game of football, just an armchair GM like anybody else out there. Darin and others are professional and do a great job of covering the team we hold so dear, heck I'm pretty sure my grammar will be all over the place. Second I don't pretend to be a sports journalist keeping track of every play and taking details notes so later I can post intelligent thoughts about what I saw. There's a lot that goes into being a reporter and I'm sure the thoughts I'm going to provide won't compare. I have a lot of respect for Darin's coverage and the hard work he goes through on providing us fans with updates. The reality of is CSR links to his work ALL the time and while we do provide our own thoughts and opinions we also rely on the Observer and others to provide some of our content. In fact that is exactly what the Panther Paw Print posts are all about, informing the CSR community of what others are saying. Finally, it's dam hard reporting and watching them practice at the same time and after trying my best today have even more respect for what Darin and the other reporters do. I was trying my best to provide CSR with names and numbers of what I was watching. I've gone to several years of training camps but this the first I've shared my thoughts and observations with others. I even admitted in the Day 2 post that I wasn't able to keep up with the defensive and offensive lines, there was just too much for me to take in. So with that said, I will encourage everyone to keep track of what Darin Gantt, Steve Reed, and others in their position have to say as they get inside stories, the up close accounts, and the access we all wish we could have. Then come to us to fill in the gaps. We try to provide the stats and outside commentary to enhance the coverage you get from other sources. We will not pretend to be the one stop shop for Panthers coverage; we just ask that you keep coming back.

Now, onto my thoughts. I didn't write anything down so all of this is from memory. I apologize if it's all over the place.

Star-divide

Dwayne Jarrett will be on the team, no questions asked. I don't know where on the depth chart but he will be on the final roster. I was thinking about this during the 7 on 7 drills realizing what little experienced depth we have at WR. While I now know most of the players names and numbers, I realize how much of a struggle it was to get there. Many of the fans around me keep wondering who this and that player was. Despite the hard time we give Jarrett (well deserved as it is) besides Smith he's been with the team the longest. He's really is a veteran as much as we don't view him that way. Hopefully even if he doesn't get it this year he can help those around him do so. Yet, It has to be hard on him as all the other receivers know they are vying for his spot and he doesn't have it looked up. You would think this would motivated him but not everyone responds to pressure the same way. Time will tell.

Steve Smith, on the other hand, seemed to be working out the whole time. Out of all the players on the PUP list, you would look over at them and you would be hard pressed to see him not doing something. As another fan pointed out (actually our very own Deuceklinco) as we talked on the sidelines, it's hard to wonder why all pro-athletes don't take their jobs as seriously. Yes Smith is an ultimate competitor but most players have very little time to prove themselves on the field. Here's a life lesson to learn, it's not always about the money. You can't through money at a problem and make it go away. The person has to want to do something about it.

As little depth as we have at WR, we have plenty of depth at TE. We have three capable guys that fit very nicely into the team chemistry. As Darin posted this afternoon:

Maybe we're taking our eye off the ball, rather than worry about WRs, just throw to the TEs. They're better.

There very well could be a lot of truth to that. Three experienced players, all have been with the team a few years. Yes we have pointed out their specialties, but in the end they all have been used to catch down field as well. It will be very interesting to see just how much they will be used but I do know one thing, it seriously felt all 4 QB where finding them consistently during team drills.

Unlike earlier this offseason when I wrote that the 4th string TE, Jamie Petroski, wasn't likely to make the roster, that after watching them all practice and working the autograph line, I really feel bad making those blanket statements, even if they are very likely scenarios. They are out there busting their butts to help this team get better and they have to know their chances are slim but they still work hard. I'm happy to say that my son does have Jamie Petroski's signature on his football and even if he doesn't make it the team, we will proudly display his name as a member of the Carolina Panthers football team.

I really didn't pay much attention to what the running backs where doing outside of team drills. Although I guess since we know the depth chart is pretty much set, that anything other than team drills doesn't provide much insight. I do intended to pay more attention to the defensive line over the next few practices and hopefully get a better understanding of how the running backs are fairing against them. From today it does appear that DeAngelo Williams was his usual self, but I would also add that with the D's limit on contact, I'm thinking he might have looked a little better than he actually performed. With Stewart and Sutton out today, we did see a more of Mike Goodson, Tony Fieametta, and training camp bodies Josh Vaughan (#40), and RB Rashawn Jackson (#38). Goodson did look improved. While he did drop a ball once, he reminded me why we were so high on him after last years draft. If, and that is a big if, if he can put the fumbling troubles behind him, he can definitely be a nice addition to the RB group. He'll stick around as one of those promise guys we just hope matures before his rookie contract runs out. He's quick and elusive once he gets into the open field and would be a great change of pace back. Again, if practice Goodson shows up as game day Goodson then he will be fun to watch.

Matt Moore is the starter, I have no question about that. He looked confident and generally played well. All the talk about Jimmy Clausen pushing him should pretty much stop. I know its early but I just don't seem it happening this year. However, I not sure about the 2nd string QB. They have Hunter Cantwell and Clausen switching between 2nd and 3rd string. I can note that during warmups that Clausen is lined up with the 3rd string players, so at this point I have to assume that's where he is on the depth chart.

On a personal note to Clausen, I know that skipping over the adults during autograph time and signing kids is common, but as the new guy with your rep, I don't advise you do that to often. I'm not bitter that you skipped over me and I was more excited to that Matt Moore signed my football, it just doesn't come off well with the fans. Next year I'd let it slide, but this year, if you are going to stop at all, work the whole crowd, you haven't earned the right to be selective. Also, I do think he's trying to put the rept he has behind him. He was very nice to the crowd in general and the first thing he did was shake a little boys hand before signing.

On the other hand, as Jordan Gross walked down the line and I thanked him for signing he said (and I paraphrase) "No problem, I know what it's like being on the other side." That really made me feel happy to know that while these guys work hard (and that's an understatement) most appreciate us as fans and are happy to give back.

Another player I was greatly impressed with during autograph time was Jon Beason. While I'm sure he's not always the last one inside, he was today. I left after he signed my football, but I have a feeling he didn't leave until he was either forced to leaved by the coaches or until he signed everyone in line. He was saying out long after the final, final, final horn blew. After someone thanked him he said something about the next thing was "ONLY food, shower, and meetings." I then asked him how long they go in the evenings to which he replied around 10 pm. I then followed up with when do you start to which he answered "7 am, it's a job." I kindly added, "it's more than a job." I have a very high respect for these players. All we see typically are the 3-4 hour games on Sundays but they put in so much more.

Anyway, its getting late and I'm going to have an early morning tomorrow. I know there's more I could add but it's not all coming back to me at the moment. I will not be at the 9 am practice as I'm spending the majority of the day with my family. There's a chance I'll make it to the evening 6:30 pm practice and as usual if I do I'll do my best to provide what updates I can.

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SPECTACULAR JOB!!!

Like the props you gave the CO and Darin. Not enough people realize what you brought up.

GREAT stuff on the sessions, especially the Beason “interview”. Thanks for putting in the time and feeding my addiction.

Remember to do YOUR part to make rush hour exciting - drive fast, take chances, and don't signal!

by Panther Fan in GA on Jul 31, 2010 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

rec'd

props for going and letting everyone know what’s up

by vitzeng on Jul 31, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for all the updates and post practice thoughts, good stuff

Looks like Sticks is giving DJ all he can handle already. A month or so ago, there was a FanShot showing some OTA videos (since been removed) and I was thinking then that I noticed DJ looked great and caught everything but didn’t sprint after catches like the other receivers, and just kinda lazed his way around. I read your updates and it seems he’s doing the same thing during regular practices now.

Some fan (LittleKing perhaps) needs to yell at him “Dwayne, get your head out of your ass and hustle, this is your chance!!!”

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by Sniff on Jul 31, 2010 4:10 AM EDT reply actions  

atmosphere

Yes sometimes you want to say things to the players, but while you are there everyone has a great respect for the team. Its a little strange to say it, but I would relate the atmsphere very similar to a library, the fans are pretty quite.

While your there you realize just how hard they play and it would be a bit offensive to yell anything out, let alone anything negative. On day one Duke was going through conditioning drills about 10 yards from the fence and I did say to him go duke, keep it up. Not sure if he heard me but I just wanted to encourage him to keep it up.

by LittleKing on Jul 31, 2010 7:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've never been and that's why I don't plan to ever go

I’m quite sure I would be asked to leave in the first few minutes, especially in a library/funeral atmosphere.

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by Sniff on Jul 31, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way you'd be asked to leave.

Although it is rather quiet, it’s more due to the fans peering thru binoculars, studying their players list, and taking notes. I also think that everyone is being quiet because they are trying to hear what the players and coaches are saying. You can get pretty close to them on the back side of the field. I’ve always been taken back by the number of fans taking notes at camp. It just goes to show how much our fans want to know and understand what’s going on. If you’re able, you really ought to go to at least one session. It’s a blast and you can yell and cheer all you want.

by ALAC on Jul 31, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Library clarification

I suppose I misspoke when I said “the fans are pretty quite.” Its not that its as quite as a library, but the atmosphere from the fans is that of respect and from that you don’t get yelling out to the players.

Regardless, we are pretty lucky to have such an open practice that anybody can show up and watch the team.

by LittleKing on Jul 31, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jarrett?

So we’re going to keep a guy who doesn’t hustle and doesn’t get it to help those who do? Just because he’s a veteran? Veteran of what? Certainly not as an NFL receiver.

Lafell and Moore are already outplaying him according to the Observer reports. Edwards will beat him out. Wright will be there for ST. That leaves one spot at most. I’d much rather use it for Gettis, Martin, or Jackson than waste another year with DJ.

by magicman56 on Jul 31, 2010 7:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Jarrett will make the team if he’s the starter, certainly. However, if he isn’t starting I don’t see him making the team. I have to disagree with you there LK. I guess it’s possible, but I doubt it.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the point is that we just don't have enough talent to dump him

Smitty will probably bounce back, but there’s always a chance he has more complications once the season starts. Edwards will likely take time to be a consistent threat. Moore works hard, but hasn’t shown he can be a real asset during games. LaFell looks great, but is still a rookie.

For all Jarretts issues, there just isn’t enough bodies at the position to warrant letting go a 2nd round, 3 year vet.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct
I think the point is that we just don’t have enough talent to dump him

I think that sums up my feelings pretty well. I wouldn’t mind being wrong on this point and all the other receivers just blow him out of the water, but I don’t see it happening.

by LittleKing on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Jarrett isn't our 3rd receiver by late camp...

Then we should just get a back up via free agency or off the waiver wires and cut him.

It’s very early in camp, but it sounds like Moore is the best on the field so far, followed by Lafell, and then Jarrett. If that holds, it puts Jarrett at #4 when Smitty returns. If that’s the case, then we should just ditch Jarrett and let one of our younger guys develop.

I really hope Jarrett blooms during camp and becomes the legit heir to the throne for the House of Moose, but time is running out for him to prove he is a worthy prince instead of just a loping frog.

by patosan on Jul 31, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beason is 100% the ideal pro-athlete

He is a team player, a leader, does what he’s asked, works hard, makes plays, has ProBowl-like results, rarely gets injured, does plenty of interviews, always gives time to fans, and just always seems level headed.

Everybody has their skeletons in the closet, but for the most part this guy is just wired the right way.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

As if I needed more reason to love the guy..

But when the dude does 50 pushups to punish himself for messing up in practice, THAT is dedication. If we had a whole team of Beason’s…

by EyeSack on Jul 31, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK Little King

I know that I am one of the people u were talking about. I gave Gantt a hard time and sang your praises over at the Oberserver. Let me say that everything u said is correct. I atempted to apologize (let gantt know that I appreciated what he does) but the post wouldn’t post.
ON the other hand, like I told him… he seemed too intent on comedy rather that the quick hit info most of us were longing for. U gave us the type of details I at least longed for. I will make a concerted effort to clear the air over there b/c I don’t wann b one of those guys who is always over there harping on the reporting. I think Darin is a great reporter and deserves respect. I was trying to ‘request’ more details.

Thanks for putting me in my place and I hope anyone else who misbehaved will get it back on track.

by rawjem01 on Jul 31, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think any one single reporter does a complete job.

That’s why this site is the best source for Carolina info, and it’s not even close really. On this one site you can get info from nearly every Carolina source out there, plus you get info from the fans. Some of the fan posts on here are more in depth than any article from a paid reporter, ‘cause they’re fans doing what fans do, being fanatics. This site is what NFL.com tries to do, but not as well.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

More hands make heavy work light

Honestly, for all Darin Gantt’s faults he’s one of the best beat writers in the business. He always has his finger on the pulse of what the organization is doing, he isn’t one to report on rumors, and when he does they almost always come true.

We do what we can around here… we also have a staff of 7 and a community of hundreds ready to bring their passion, talents and love of the game to keep our fan base entertained and interested.

Personally, I’m constantly twittering or emailing Darin Gantt of a regular basis, because as one man he does know far more about the day to day operations than any of us do.

If I had to assert what is happening, it’s that Gantt has both deadlines and a timetable of writing about different players. Clausen one day, the rookie WRs the next… his focus is going to be more narrowed than say LK who is giving us an amazing overview of everything that is happening.

I just don’t want to see any of us burn our bridges, because there is more than one occasion Darin Gantt has helped me get that last piece of information, or crutial fact that turns me writing a decent article into a good one.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand and no hard feelings

I just want everyone to know we are not the end all in coverage. I was lucky enough to be at the practices so far and I’m hoping to go to a few more. While CSR is not there we definitely have to rely on the professionals.

by LittleKing on Jul 31, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

per Gantt

“LB Williams is back this morning, but DE Johnson and RB Sutton still out.”

I’m glad to see him back on the field so soon.

The Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line.

by John Chilton on Jul 31, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Grammar is overrated.

Your content was superb. Thanks for all the time and effort you expend for our benefit.

by bigdavis on Jul 31, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

More Gantt tweets trickling in:

- # RB Mike Goodson just handled his man in a blitz pickup drill. That’s what will get him on the field, not all those pretty outside runs 8 minutes ago via UberTwitter

 -And here comes the rain. We’ll see how that impacts the twitter. 12 minutes ago via UberTwitter

-LB Jamar Williams back on the field and making plays. Nice pass breakup 13 minutes ago via UberTwitter

-Kenny Moore hauls in a deep ball on one end of the field. Sherrod Martin with a nice strip on the other side. 14 minutes ago via UberTwitter

-Duke Robinson (out, conditioning) having a little talk with the owner. Can only imagine how that’s going for the Duker. 22 minutes ago via UberTwitter
  
-No WR Charly Martin today. He left yesterday with what was described as a finger injury. 38 minutes ago via UberTwitter

-The boss is here. Owner Jerry Richardson makes an appearance.

The Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line.

by John Chilton on Jul 31, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Apparently Corvey Irvin screwed something up, ’cause he said the defensive line coach was all over him.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like the players and staff are having a lot of fun out there

A lot of laughing and jokes going on. That’ll be good to help them bond as a team.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

So i asked gantt about the d-line...

   Honestly, better than I expected. Big Ed, Tank have moved well. Brown and Hardy look interesting. RT @bskincaid8985 Thoughts on the d-line?

thats good news. :-)

by BSKincaid on Jul 31, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks like the hybrid will have a full plate this year

Double duty for Norwood. Getting called out of pass-rush drills to run 7-on-7s with the other LBs
9 minutes ago via UberTwitter Source: @daringantt

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by Sniff on Jul 31, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

couple more interesting tweets:
  1. carolinagrowl
      
    Panthers TE Jeff King just keeps getting better with age. The five-year veteran is catching everything in sight. Not fast, but reliable. 6 minutes ago via mobile web
      
    Otah running on the side. Still looks a little tentative with the knee.

 # Darin Gantt daringantt
  
Nice pass from Clausen to the sidelines. Good touch. But I guess we kind of knew that already. 6 minutes ago via UberTwitter

The Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line.

by John Chilton on Jul 31, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Gantt seems to think we will carry 4 QBs this season.

daringantt
  
Longer camp goes, the more convinced I become that the Panthers intend to keep all four QBs.

The Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line.

by John Chilton on Jul 31, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

We will have an extra roster spot since they released Hoov

Unless they plan to keep the UDFA FB (Rashawn Jackson I think) and Fiametta on the roster. My guess is one of the two is gone because Sutton can play FB in a pinch, and we really have no need for 2 FB’s if Sutton is on the depth chart as RB3.

I thought they would use that extra spot for an additional WR, but keeping a 4th QB could be a possibility, if for nothing more than to protect him from another team in case Moore flops or chooses to take an offer elsewhere after this season.

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by BW Smith on Jul 31, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess they'll have to carry 4...

Pike would probably get snatched off our PS in a heartbeat and it would be unfair to put Cantwell on the PS as he is technically our #2 right now.

The Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line.

by John Chilton on Jul 31, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, a team with future needs at QB would snatch Pike

Like we did with Moore a few years ago.

I like the strategy. If Moore fails, then it’s Clausen’s job. If Moore shines, then we have trade bait in Clausen. And we also have Cantwell and Pike as backups. Either way, we have four QB’s who are familiar with the system, and we won’t have to draft or sign a QB for a long time, and we can focus drafts in the near future on more pressing needs.

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by BW Smith on Jul 31, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

bw, can you start a day 3 thread?

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by Sniff on Jul 31, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry man, I didn't get back on until it was too late

My apologies…

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by BW Smith on Jul 31, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 qb's

Somewhere I read that pike may end up on it, wink, wink, so that we don’t have to waste that roster spot

by Deuceklinco on Jul 31, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean IR, I'm guessing, wink, wink

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Jul 31, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

hard to argue he's wrong

Pike is really the only one we would put on the PS, but if we cut him he has to clear waivers before we can put him on the PS. That’s the way we claimed Matt Moore after Dallas cut him. Pike was an actual draft pick, just hard seeing us let him possibly slip away like that.

by LittleKing on Jul 31, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write-up, LK!

You are to be commended for all the hard work you put into keeping us updated with the goings on of camp. If I would have been able to make it up there this weekend I would have gladly met you up there and gave you a helping hand with taking notes, etc., FWIW.

Again, thanks for keeping us posted on what’s going on. I follow Gantt’s reporting as well, and he’s a great reporter, but I do appreciate the commentary from a fan’s point of view – for some reason it resonates more since I’m a fan like everyone else here and not paid to report on the team.

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by BW Smith on Jul 31, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

No problem

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by BW Smith on Jul 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

this isn't helping Charly Martin:

carolinagrowl
  
Charly Martin had surgery to fix a broken finger. He’ll be week-to-week.

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by John Chilton on Jul 31, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's a tough break.

He was already on a bubble probably. Missing a week plus of camp is going to hurt his chances. I wonder who broke his finger. If it was Cantwell trying to show off his arm, that would’ve stunk. That’s one reason I don’t like QBs who throw too hard, and yes I think a guy can throw too hard.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tough break for Martin... I hate it for him. Probably ends his shot at the roster.

Good break for K. Moore, who seems to be showing up quite a bit in a good way. So far he’s beaten Marshall and Gamble for big plays.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Jul 31, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gantt said on his Saturday morning write up that Fox refused to say which finger Martin broke. He’s worse than the Secret Service. He never says anything about anything, yet words are coming out of his mouth. Does he have to go off to some institute of higher learning to learn how to do that? It’s ridiculous.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to understand Blade...

Say he broke his pinky. Would you really want our rivals to know that he won’t be able to sip tea properly for weeks? Or, what it it’s his favorite nose picker? Opponents could use that type of info against us. Foxy, your name says it all. lol

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Jul 31, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah lol.

If it was his thumb, he couldn’t give his teammates that uplifting thumbs up. It would be quite demoralizing for the team to know that. There may be mass panic. Ignorance is bliss.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good job

Its always good to have forums like this for us all to voice our opinions. And thanks to the guy that told me LK was doing the updates yesterday. I have been a member here for a while but dont get here enough to keep up with everything, glad i saw him joking with Gantt or else i would have missed it here.

by MrBernz on Jul 31, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

check this out

Goodson taking on all challengers
July 31st, 2010, 11:24 am · Post a Comment · posted by sreed
   Forgot to mention this in the earlier blog, but there was a funny moment during practice when second-year RB Mike Goodson asked coaches if he could take on the team’s top LB Jon Beason in one-on-one blitz pickup drills.

   "We have a request," said RB coach Jim Skipper announced.

   The crowd around the running backs and linebackers erupted when Goodson trotted out to block Beason. He did pretty well too, although Beason appeared to slip on the wet field (it rained for a good portion of practice) while making a move.

   Afterward, Goodson said, "To be the best, you have to beat the best." Great attitude from the kid.

http://reederstake.freedomblogging.com/2010/07/31/goodson-taking-on-all-challengers/5581/

I am loving this! Goodson keeps this up and he will be on the field a good bit this year. as long as he isnt putting the ball on the ground.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s hard for me to get excited about him if all he’s going to do is run outside. Outside runs at the pro level have a low success rate. I really want to get excited about him. He has some good moves. I just have to see him succeed against more than a 2nd or 3rd string preseason defense first. ‘Til then, he’s not even on my radar of players to watch.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goodson's frustrating

He really seems to have confidence, mindset and ability to be great. But he has to learn how to protect the ball and run between the tackles. It’s like do or die with him… He has the potential to be a star RB or a complete bust.

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You are correct ST. I am encouraged that he's improved his blocking, but...

as you say, he needs to bust through the holes, which sometimes take a second to open up. That patience seems like it’s hard for him to get, even watching 2 of the best do it time after time.
And if he’s really dedicated, he’ll find out what Tiki did to fix his fumbling (high and tight). Defenders in this league will strip you like a Mercedes in East L.A.. I still think he can get it, but school is in and it’s time to show up.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Jul 31, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has 2 of the best in the league to learn from

No excuses there

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he should be used as a weapon rather than a RB.

If Gump can muster up some intelligence to use him like Payton uses Bush, we could be dangerous at receiver.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Jul 31, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what i think

if he can run between the tackles great. but dont try to make him do it when the box is stacked. establish him as a threat out of the backfield with screens and outs and pitches and sweeps. come out in 3 and 4 WR sets with Goodson as the single back and run a drax with him up the middle or something. he has a different style. he isnt Brandon Jacobs, he is more like Reggie Bush. Let him be what he is. if he puts on weight and finds the patience to let blocks develop and hit holes effectively then try that. but untill then we should really utilize his skill set for what it is. right now he is good to have in on passing situations. He is like a WR coming out of the backfield and if he gets this blocking down then he would be ideal. we catch some guys in man coverage and we can pick up first downs. i bet he would do real well with some screen plays.

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by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't have a Sean Payton that can dial up plays for a guy like Reggie Bush

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

how hard is it?

screens are screens. and out is an out. we already run the draw. it really isnt that hard. and if we have the lead more often then not maybe they will try some thing. i know they never have but we have never had this many weapons either.

and last year how many times was Davidson throwing it for no reason? when we should have just kept pounding the ball. Maybe he wants to be aggressive but Jake just couldnt get it done. Which that still makes him an idiot for not sticking to what Jake was capable of. But maybe this offense can pull it off…

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by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought they would have used him this way last year

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i did too

but last year he was not ready in any aspect of the game. he was the very definition of raw. couple that with putting the ball on the ground and a concussion and you dont get anymore snaps.

he still might be immature and raw. he might not be used to the speed and try to cut too much before taking off. if so then he will need more time. if he isnt putting the ball on the ground and we have a signifigant lead then i dont see why he cant learn on the field.

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~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Goodson needs to add weight to have success between the tackles.

He’s only 5 pounds lighter than Williams. No one was sure Williams could transition to an inside runner either, but he proved it could be done, and done extremely well.

If they only want to use Goodson on outside run plays, then fine. I think it’s a mistake though. Defenses would know where the play is going every time he came in. Couple that with outside runs having a low success rate, and it would be the same thing if we had a player specifically for WR end-arounds and brought him in.

I think Goodson could be so much more, but they refuse to teach him how to run at the pro level. I have no idea why. It’s not my decision. I just think it’s lame, and I’m not at all excited about this guy.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he puts on 5 lbs. and can break through some takles that would hep him a lot

he went down on first contact like everytime last year.

and that is why i said establish him as a weapon out of the backfield. i didnt say to run a strong i and bring him in a only run strong pitches… throw to him, run a draw, run a play action, toss him the ball. mis it up keep the D off balance. that should give him some space and then he should do what he does best after that.

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Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think the RB's coach is working with him on that?

And the Saints have the same issue with Reggie Bush, he’s still pretty effective.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Jul 31, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are they?

I hope they are, but I haven’t heard anything about it. Also, define effective. The only thing Bush was effective at ’til last year was receiving, at least from his stats.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like his chances of learning to run between the tackles better

Than I do Foxy getting creative. Plus it would be great if Double Trouble could bust their tails for 3 quarters, get a nice lead, and then in the 4th let someone with fresh legs like Goodson come in and do cleanup on a tired defense. But he has to be reliable first.

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he can hold onto the ball..

he should be given this opportunity often. then he should become comfortable with time. Some guys learn better on the job. But if he puts it together and gets this situation… damn the 4th qtr would be rough for the other guys. having to chase him around and just getting burned. that is exciting to think about.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very exciting to think about

Although I think it would mean the end of Double Trouble after the season

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

These triple-threat discussions are like dejavu from last year, lol

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nooo

if he this happens i see it more likely we let Moore go and let Clausen hand it off.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is if we had to choose

between keeping more or deangelo

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. :(

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Jul 31, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could our 3 WRs be Smitty, LaFell and Moore?

Sure looks like it so far. I’m starting to change my position on Jarrett. There’s just absolutely no reason a UDFA and rookie should be out performing him, especially in the A, B, C’s like route running.

If this keeps up into the Preseason, then I think they’ll cut him to give him a shot to compete elsewhere. And it’s even more likely considering Fix will want LaFell in often for run blocking. If that happens then I think we’ll see Smitty and LaFell, with Moore in for 3 WR sets.

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 1:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

if Jarrett gets beat out then that is that

Im not reading too much into it yet though. I wanna see what happens in PS games and TC in a couple weeks. I wish i was there and could watch everything that he does. Im not going to pay attention to guys jumping all over him with any and every mistake.reporters need something to talk about and Jarrett is an easy target. i will wait till i get to see him with my own two eyes to give up on him. And Moore crumbled last year. I really cant wait to see if he can carry this over into the PS. he was doing well in TC last year. I dunno if the reporters were sweating his nuts but i nticed how well he was doing in camp last year.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's way too early to right Jarrett off, I agree. But, he needs to start making some plays...

only thing I about him yesterday was that Gamble was smothering him, and he lined up on the wrong side. Jarrett really needs to get started soon, or I think we will start seeing some other guys getting chances with the ones.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Jul 31, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, it's too early. But it's still a bit nerve racking

Moore and Jarrett both supposedly looked good last year in camp, and then both disappeared. I’m not sure how much Moore was on the field either. Fox is so vanilla that a #3 is lucky to get on the field… A #4 might as well take a nap.

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preseason he choked it up

Moore im talking about. I want to see him make plays in the PS this year. HIm and that Cherry guy both just choked in PS

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good chance we'll see him with the ones and twos in PS this year...

I’m really pulling for my fellow WFU alum. His senior year at Wake was awesome, and working with Smitty has to help.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Jul 31, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is what i was saying last year

smitty had him at his house and was working out with him and smitty doesnt do that. so i thought they might be working on something together. and then what i saw in tc had me excited. and i was talking the guy up. only for him to choke on it. like the game had changed or something. give the guy a jersey and he forgets what the hell is going on. i hope that was jitters.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You make a good point though about waiting for PS

Every season there seems to be some standout in camp that completely disappoints in real games. Stanley McGlover anyone?

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by southtunnel on Jul 31, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

CAPTAIN MUNNERLYN IS THE NICKEL??

Gee golly gosh, call the newspapers. Lol, just kidding. There were some good things in there. Good to know all that practice is paying off for Kenny. If nothing else it sets a good example for the youngsters.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tweeted Gantt about Godfrey and Martin together...

daringantt Good. Active, fast. They give up some pop, but I think they might be better. RT @Steven2885 How are Godfrey and Martin looking together?

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

here is another tweet from Gantt

daringantt Yes, they’re going to give him a chance. RT @TheRealDJSlash At this pace would it surprise you if Jarrett was in the first round of cuts?
about 1 hour ago via web

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

how?

the guy asked if Jarret would be cut and he said no he will be given a chance…

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't say "no", he said "yes".

I guess he could’ve been saying “yes” to whether or not they’ll give him a chance, but it sounded like he was responding to whether or not he’d be cut. It was just confusing.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH!

I get it now. He was saying “yes” to if it would surprise him if he was cut. I’m slow.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 31, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Qb's and Jarrett

I think we’ll trade one, probably Pike. Talking about keeping 4 QB’s is an attempt to keep their value up until we decided to keep Cantwell or Pike.

Jarrett’s a goner. I think doubt we keep 4 QB’’s. I think we trade Pike for a 5th rounder before the start of the season

by magicman56 on Jul 31, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Jarret will need to have a melt down to be a goner

like Gantt said they are going to give him a chance

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Dwayne Jarret is not a bust!

by STEVEN 785 on Jul 31, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

considering we got him for a 6th

i fine that unlikely. hes un proven and last on the depth chart.

by pantherpride on Jul 31, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one will bite on that.

They’ll just pick up the one we cut.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Jul 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better to find a way to keep all of them somehow...

Since we’ll likely lose one in the next 12-24 months. That will leave Cantwell as our backup and Pike as our QB of the future.

by patosan on Jul 31, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How has Gettis looked?

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Been wondering this myself...

I don’t remember hearing a word about him anywhere.

by patosan on Jul 31, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your comments

Litte King, I decided to respond before reading the rest of your notes and everyone’s comments. I understand that you are not a pro reporter. I am not able to sign on until late afternoon/evening so I am always playing catch up. But, before this year, the newspaper and tv were my only real sources of info. Then I got a netbook that has allowed me to feed my Panthers obsession/addiction to my hearts content. I found CSR first and you led me to so many new sites. I read them all. I start with Darin and Steve because I am used to them from newspapers. They give great info, but CSR provides so much flavor and insight and a fans’ v

by CPNanacat on Jul 31, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

iew of the Panther world (sorry about being so wordy)

There is plenty of room for all the info and opinions provided IMHO so keep it coming. And thank you to all who provide me with hours of info and entertainment.

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