Jimmy Clausen Contract Details
by bmoyer on Jul 28, 2010 9:45 AM EDT
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I, for one, am relieved Clausen and the Panthers got this deal done on time. This is one distraction the team could certainly do without. The tough part of Clausen's deal is trying to get him slotted in as the 48th draft pick, but still compensating properly in the event he becomes the starter. (FWIW, 432 people voted correctly at the link above).The interesting thing I noticed was the higher than expected max value. Here's what Darin Gantt had to say:
Max value of Clausen deal ... (Darin Gantt via Twitter)
Max value of Clausen deal $6.3 million over four years if he hits escalators and incentives.Clausen's deal includes ... (Darin Gantt via Twitter)
Clausen's deal includes escalators he'd hit with play time incentives, and includes $2.533 million guaranteed, according to a league source.
Based on my calculations earlier this offseason, I had predicted:
Jimmy Clausen Holdout: A Real Possibility?
Jimmy Clausen's slotted contract should be between $4.227-$4.582 million with between $2.245-$2.412 million guaranteed.
That's based on previous #48 overall picks and recent 2nd and 3rd round QB's. (FWIW, 432 people voted correctly at the link above).
As far as I can tell, it certainly sounds like the Panthers gave him much higher than expected escalators and incentives that he would be due based on his draft position. It sounds like the Panthers gave him more money than he was due (based on draft position) to get him into camp on time.
What does this mean? In an offseason full of thriftiness by the Panthers, Clausen was more or less the only player to get a "big" payday, and he didn't have to hold out to get it. I believe the Panthers made this move to send a message that there's a real possibility for him to start by season's end, and if that happens, he will be paid accordingly. What do you think?
Update 7/28 2:40PM:
It sounds like the biggest escalators come in the 4th year (highly unusual outside of the first round):
Panthers reach deal with 2nd-round pick Clausen. (Sports.Yahoo.com)
Agent Gary Wichard and the Panthers worked through the night to reach a deal, which was struck after a fourth-year escalator—a rarity for a second-round pick—was included that tops out at $2.85 million
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I think it says 2 things...
1) To Clausen: work hard, learn the playbook, and you could take over if Moore struggles.
2) To Moore: don’t screw up, because we signed the Clausen kid to an incentive deal and he will want to earn the extra money, so watch your back and play like you did last year if you want to keep your job.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by bwsmith25 on Jul 28, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Do you honestly think the money makes a difference?
Clausen’s going to want to win the starting job regardless of the escalators. He’s a driven individual.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
It's a win-win situation for the Panthers
It tells Matt Moore that they have confidence in the guy behind him, so now’s not the time to get lazy. This will push him through training camp and preseason where he’s looked mediocre in the past.
It tells Clausen that they have confidence in him as a starter (thus avoiding a potential Chris Johnson situation) while saying that if he sees the field then his earnings are in his hands. You do well you get paid, you don’t and you make pittance.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions
Im not going to miss Jake.
I like it. I have not been this excited in years. Im a die hard fan i have been since the beginning 1-15 or NFC Champs ive been a fan regardless but the QB situation has not looked this good in Carolina in well ever. We have never had that true Franchise QB and looking at the depth chart we have 4 solid QB’s with the skills to be something special. Clausen has the most talent. Moore has the most drive. Cantwell has the arm of the gods and Pike has all the size and intangibles you wan’t in a NFL QB. Things are looking up :)
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Thanks i just currently found this today. I use this site all the time but it is normally for BloodyElbow a MMA section of this site. But i live in Charlotte and have been a Panther fan since 93 when they awarded us the team.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jul 28, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If only we could put all 4 in a blender...
We’d have the ultimate QB.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
except for the pureed arms & legs part...
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by bwsmith25 on Jul 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We can rebuild him.
We have the technology.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Somehow, I knew you would say that, lol.
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by bwsmith25 on Jul 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we only had a brain...
I have one I can give him…“Abby something.”
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Is it to late to add to our QB smoothie?
If not… I propose we toss Armanti in and give our prototype his hands and feet.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
You guys gonna let Todd Carter make that smoothie?
I heard he was pretty good at it.
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You haven't been this excited in years?
You are a die hard fan but haven’t been excited in years…. Sounds like a bandwagon to me. Which is fine. But don’t go around like you have been a fan forever. What about 2008 when we went 12-4? Before the home playoff game you weren’t excited? I’m personally excited before every game.
I think you are taking his words too literally.
I’m sure he is excited for Panther football every year. But this year, this offseason, is definitely unlike any other. With all the changes and uncertainty, it is hard not to be excited and anxious… because no one is really sure what we have.
Either way, you are out of line accusing anyone of being a bandwagon fan because they are excited about this season.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
+1
Bandwagon is a bit harsh. I’ve been a fan for years and followed the team through thick and thin (it is depressing to be the only Panthers fan in a New England bar) and I am more excited about the year’s prospects than ever before. It is merely a matter of tapping into all of this potential… let’s go Fox!
(for the record, I was at their first official panthers practice at age 12)
+2 I've lived and breathed NFL for 40 years, and Panthers since they were born...
and I’ve never felt this level of anticpation heading into the season. It is a combination of high hopes and uncertainty. Very different from years past, when many of the starters were already known commodities. Give MMA a break. Most of us feel the same way.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Of course i was excited for the Arizona game. But seriously how could anybody be but so excited considering who we had at QB. Jake won us a lot of games. He lost us a lot of games too. That playoff game was like a bad dream. We were looking good everything was working fine we even ran the ball down there throats on the first drive for a TD. Then it all fell apart. And instead of running the ball with the best 1 2 punch in the league that season. Davidson kept calling plays for Jake to keep throwing and keep turning it over. This is a fresh start no haunted memories in the back of my mind of what could be just around the corner. I don’t know what Moore or Clausen is capable of but i knew with Jake and it used to drive me nuts every game waiting to see which Jake showed up. Fresh talent across the board positions up for grabs at numerous spots. Yes i am excited this season im excited every season but for this season seems different.
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he sounds like a die hard to me
every one in the league has written the Panthers off this season no D Line, no T Davis, one receiver of any worth, a QB the coaching staff doesn’t believe in (no way they were playing BPA trying to trade up for Clausen), and he is as excited as he has been in years. yeah he’s on the little red flyer bandwagon with the rest of us.
"I kinda just sling it" -Jake
by bleed_in_blue on Jul 28, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I appreciate all you guys vouching for me but in all honestly i could care less if he thinks im a bandwagon fan or not. and Bleed any fan of Carolina knows thats when John Fox teams do the best when nothing is expected. Carolina is low on the radar the only name that gets popped up on ESPN is Clausen and they always talk as if the organization is retarded because we haven’t named him our starter yet. Its coming the media is going to push hard for Jimmy but i think as long as Moore plays well in the preseason and avoids injury he is the starter. This year at least.
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Kerry Collins was a franchise guy
He just didnt pan out for us. I hope for more from Clausen, he should be our face soon enough, untill then I fully support Moore as the starter.
by parkershawn2001 on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
A scary thought, the "face" of the franchise looks like an emu
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Cos Manning is such a looker.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I dont think it means much
He wont necessarily be paid more than other picks near him unless he actually gets on the field. His pay depends on how well he performs so basically this is just more of an inspiration to him and if Clausen works harder that forces Moore to work harder which makes our team better as a whole.
It might also have something to do with the fact that he was projected to be drafted higher than he actually was.
"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity." - Lewis Grizzard
Rookie Contracts
I think all rookie contracts should have a big tie to incentives. As was said elsewhere $50 million guaranteed before a rookie even gets on the field is insane. Prove you can play then be paid and a good way to do that is incentive contracts.
He has a bright future
Unless Moore really screws up, the only time I see him playing is if we have secured the division or playoffs.
I'm not surprised at all by the max number. I figured his contract would be
escalator heavy, and rightfully so. As noted by others, the competition in camp will make all the QBs work that much harder, become that much better, and also get used to performing under pressure. It’s all good. All the picks are in. If I were any other NFL team, I wouldn’t want to play us this year, and I’d be thinking “damn, those guys are really building something there.” The really cool part is, it’s all getting done while JR poses as the owner’s CBA face. That’s the kind of mis-direction I hope our offense employs this year.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I'm just relieved he didn't hold out. Very keen to see what he's got now.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
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