#3 Doubters Listen up
Ok so I was going to wait until the guys reported to Spartanburg before I posted another thing on here but there is two problems with that. First is that they report to training camp this Wednesday which by a twist of fate is my 21st birthday and I fear I might be ..hmm...unable to accurately type out all my thoughts on that particular day. The second is that i've been reading alot of stuff on the internet in different Carolina blogs and I really couldn't stand it anymore. There is a common theme among all the articles I've seen or videos I've watched. Everyone from senior writers in Charlotte to people on the NFL Network seem to think that Matt not only won't make it through the whole season , but he shouldn't be the starter at all now that we have a fresh young quarterback in the wings.
Sit and take that in for a second. People are saying that we should relinquish the driver seat from a guy that led the panthers to a 4-1 record , admist an injury typhoon that was sweeping the team and a season that quite frankly made me sick to my stomach every Sunday ; to a guy that's never taken an NFL snap. Never been looking a defense in the eyes that can move so fast they look like a blur on high definition televisions. It's kinda mind boggling to think about. Matt has earned the right to start. He had us all believing there was a light at the end of the turnover party tunnel that was Jake's entire 2009 season.
Shame on you haters. I watched alot of video the past couple of months. Highlights from Matt at Oregon state , from his brief start in 2007 and his 5 starts this year, along with some comical interviews and stuff like that and I learned a couple things in doing so. First is that he is way laid back. Its kinda cool how calm cool and collected he was in all the interviews, considering he's an NFL quarterback. He was an undrafted rookie free agent that was picked up by Dallas in 2007 then claimed off of waivers on a whim by Carolina the same year. He's been Jake's backup since he came into the league and he's grateful for every opportunity he gets and makes the best of it, which I admire about him.
The second thing I learned is that the guy can play football. Not only play but he's finally ready to play at the NFL caliber as a starter. Sitting behind Jake for two seasons you could see that he did his homework from 07' to 09'. He has a huge arm , poise in the pocket and makes great reads. We all closed our eyes everytime Jake put the ball in the air..because unfortunately the recipient wasn't always on our team. But Matt came in and like magic Smitty is catching bombs, Moose is making grabs and Jeff King is getting in the endzone. Hell Dwayne Jarrett caught a touchdown pass!!! What is going on here?! Are these people blind? It was like Delhomme was drunk at the wheel and Matt took his keys and drove us all home!
Against Tampa Bay in week 13 he completed 14-20 passes for 161 yards and one interception, Which turned out to be the only interception he would throw in all 5 games. Perhaps this was just jitters being that it was his first start. His QB rating at this point is 73.1. Then In New England he Completed 15-30 passes for 197 yards and 1 touchdown. They lost, but its also understandable since he went from sitting on the bench to starting against Tom Brady and the Patriots in just two weeks. Whether the are still a dynasty or not any QB in the league will get nervous going up against Brady. At this point his passer rating is 82.2
Then the Sunday Night Football game that everyone showed up to play for. He went 21 of 33 passes for 299 and 3 touchdowns. In front of the whole country! Against a playoff bound Minnesota team led by the gunslinger himself Brett Favre! He looked poised and in control the whole game making great reads and passing to a wide range of targets including Smitty , Moose, Brad Hoover, Dante Rosario , Gary Barnidge and Dwayne "the pain" Jarrett. His passer rating is now 123.2.
Then the going away party New York won't soon forget. 15-20 passes for 171 yards and 3 touchdowns. Passer rating is 139.8. The Giants apparently had a rough night the night before, but they should have been desperately hungry for a win and Matt disected their Defense like a frog in anatomy. Once again spreading the ball all over the field and at this point in the season it almost seemed like he was on cruise control.
Im not gonna go over the Saints game because it was the scrubs playing but it was a nice way to cap a stressful season. What I'm saying though is that his passer rating in 5 starts, compares with 5 starts by excellent QB's like Phillip Rivers and Carson Palmer. He played fantastic and just got better as his comfort level rose. Imagine if we would have pulled Jake sooner. And Still we have people out there Calling for Moore to be benched and a completely unproven rookie to take his place. All these people caught up in the Clausen hysteria need to get a grip. There is a reason he dropped all the way to the middle of the second round. I see a hold out coming because Charlie Weis pounded into his head that he'll go in the first round and he still wants to be paid like a first rounder. Are you kidding me? And I must say that I dont like people assuming he's second on the depth chart either. Hunter Cantwell is a beast with an arm like a pirate's cannon. It just bugs me cause I feel like Matt isnt getting the respect he deserves. He earned this starting job and I think with his skill set and experience he can have a good run in Carolina and give this team a better chance at playoff runs in the future.
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lol probably need a long explanation to follow "mediocre"
as in team record, personal stats, etc.
frankly, i think we give him the season unless he is doing 2009 delhomme-bad (too soon?)
but I think a lot of writers are right that Fox might bend under what will certainly be tremendous pressure to put clausen in
Mediocre is all matter of opinion
I wanted everyone to take a look at Moore by week seven and make your own judgements. If he’s having what you think is a mediocre season than make the call. Its all matter of opinion. Barring a season ending injury or mental collapse comparable to dellhomme i believe Matt can keep the reigns all year. Now whether Richardson gets stingy and lets him go after this year to save a buck is on him. Diangelo, beason and alot of other guys are in need of a new contract after next season too so quite frankly i’m worried. As for me being harsh on clausen, quite franky i wasn’t a fan of him during the draft and until he shows me somthing im not changing my mind. :)
by Pantherclawed on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as Moore is doing well enough to win games, he should stay in.
Clausen obviously needs more of a humbling than I initially thought, with this whole threat of a hold out. Unless the season is on the line, Clausen should sit on the bench. He shouldn’t even be holding a clipboard. I want him on the bench, without a helmet, with a sad little face, and some time during every game someone should “accidentally” pour a cup of gatoraide on his head.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Clausen should sit
His attitude aside, I agree with the school of thought that has rookie QB’s sitting. Unless, a great case can be made in the wake of Moore being a huge bust (of Jake’s proportions) that another QB would allow the team to win, then Clausen should sit.
Yeah, that’ll show a supposedly immature QB how to mature. Being incredibly immature towards him.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 27, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What threat?
Wasn’t that something fabricated by the media and malcontents (correct me if I’m wrong…but I just didn’t see a single quote from him threatening that)? Didn’t he sign before Training Camp? Geez…give the kid a break! He signed 8 days sooner than Beason did.
I didn't mean a verbal threat.
At the time it appeared as though he wouldn’t be at the first practice, but they indeed got it done on the last day, so it’s all good.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 30, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Give em hell Pantherclawed
I’m with ya.
I can only see one problem with your post. You should have definied mediocre before your poll. There are alot of people on here who think Jake was a “good” QB, so mediocre in that light would be about a 53% completion rate, about 6.1 yards per attempt and about a 1.2:1 TD:INT ratio. That would put him around the bottom 2 or 3 QBs in the league, and he should be pulled. You arent going to get a fair representation,
But he’ll easily surpass mediocrity on that scale, and the mediocrity that we suffered through for 7 brutal years with Jake, and border on greatness.
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I would only consider pulling Moore if...
or once the Panthers are eliminated from playoff contention. This is Moore’s year, he has a good supporting cast and there is no reason this team shouldn’t compete for a playoff spot.
Well said. It’s Moore’s job to lose and personally, I think he’s going to play extremely well.
Go Panthers!
by elgatonegro on Jul 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly. If we're in the hunt, stay with Moore ...
as long as he’s healthy and not turning the ball over 3 times a game. I have confidence that his unflappable personality will help him on the field. Staying cool under pressure is key to a QB’s ability to make the right decisions. He has the physical skills, and so far he seems mentally ready.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Same here.
But if he is Jake Delhomme bad, then I’d pull him at the bye. But I do agree Matt has earned some loyalty from the coaching staff. Unless Clausen looks spectacular and Moore looks like crap, it’s Moore’s team.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Jul 27, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Mediocre Moore > Just Jake
I have no doubt that Moore will start all 16 games this season, barring some kind of freak injury. Let’s all sit back and get ready to enjoy some serious back pedaling from all the naysayers once Moore picks up right where he left off last year.
What do people want
In this situation I find it benefical to find out what the nay-sayers want. What kind of stats would they want from Matt Moore to be named the starter of the 2010 season? I bet if you asked these people at the start of the 09 season, their expectation would been much less than what he actually produced. In fact, if we stil had Jake, there would be no question who the starter would be this year. Its not fair (and I use this word because I can’t find another) that these same nay-sayers would have allowed Moore to be the starter based on what they were looking for in a performance but now think he should be benched based on our draft. The question is, “What else could he have done with the opportunity he was given?” This sounds eerily how I feel about D Jarrett and the opportunities that he has been given.
by Deuceklinco on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent points Deuce
We should have done this at the end of the season.
Here’s how I define QB play, and we’ll see where everyone thinks Matt will fall this seson. If anybody reads it of course.
At least 2 of the following
GREAT season:
Comp : 65 or higher, 8.0 YPA or higher, 2:1 or higher TD:INT
GOOD season:
Comp : 62.5-64.9, 7.4-7.9 YPA, 1.7-1.9:1 TD:INT
MEDIOCRE season:
Comp : 58.0-62.5, 7.0-7.4 YPA, 1.5-1.7:1 TD:INT
BAD season:
Comp : <58, <7.0 YPA, <1.5 TD/INT
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by Sniff on Jul 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the brackets Sniff
Moore had an 8:1 TD to INT ratio in his 5 starts. Imagine 24 TD’s to only 3 INT’s…that would be ‘super-stellar-great’ eh?
What if he has under a 58% completion percentage, 7 yards per attempt, but a 2:1 TD:INT ratio?
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
What kind of poopin’ word was that? O.O
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's derived from Old Low Norse, meaning Great+Good+Mediocre+Bad.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I'm not that concerned about this year
I think Moore will definitely keep the job all year. I’m just curious/worried with how they’ll handle him after the season since he will be a free agent.
+1 for Matt Moore
If we're gonna get ahead of ourselves to that extent, let's imagine how much he'll want after he gets the Super Bowl MVP award!
(I can dream, can’t I?)
It just makes me think
Even if he does lead us into the playoffs and puts up pretty good numbers, Clausen will still be waiting, and he’ll be under contract.
+1 for Matt Moore
You're right, Smitty. We have several important guys to take care of...
who don’t have the guy waiting in the wings. Kalil is one, and maybe Davis (depending), and they probably want to rework Beason’s deal. If Moore plays like we think he will, then hopefully they’ll try to resign him for at least 2 more years. Then there’s the CBA to think about. Next year will be another interesting offseason, but at least we’ll be wearing our Super Bowl Champion T-Shirts while we type.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Hahaha absolutely
Kalil & Beason should be first in line for extensions. I also think that D Will needs one, but for some reason it’s looking less likely. Hopefully i’m wrong, cause he seems to have a great attitude about splitting carries, so why not keep him? Thomas Davis should be alot cheaper to resign now than he was before, so I think he stays.
+1 for Matt Moore
Matt Moore will be good
Preseason will be very important to Moore. That will help him get all the game jitters out and adjust to the receivers. He is going to light it up this year. Watch!
Moore vs. Clausen
Matt Moore has earned this opportunity…let him have his shott and let Clausen sit and learn…I’m not sold on Jimmy just yet but I do like what I saw from Matt last year (not to mention ’07) …besides, after retiring my worn out #17 last season my newest jersey this off season is the #3!!!
I don't get it...
Um… We don’t know who is the better QB so why are we still talking about this?
I’m all for letting the best player play. If Clausen is the better QB, he should start. Right now, he has to prove he’s the better QB though and he’s not going to have a lot of opportunity to do that. Plus, it’s really on him to show that he is better than Moore because as of right now, Moore is what we know (even if there’s not much to that).
The one thing people don’t talk about is that Moore is a free agent next year (if we even have a season). Clausen will still be on the roster. He’s as much insurance against Moore leaving as he is against Moore imploding.
clausen
seriously, i don’t know what all the hype is about over clausen. there were 47 picks before ours, and teams that need a qb bad chose to pass on clausen. he’s not all that. he could prove me wrong one day, but i doubt it. everyone says he knows the offense, but that’s garbage. you cannot tell me the playbooks are the same, and there is still adjusting to the speed of the game, and reading defenses. so to say he is ready to start now is ridiculous. if moore left via free agency or a trade, i think cantwell would beat out clausen. he obviously knows the system better just from having spent last year with the team, and he has a stronger arm.
A strong arm doesn’t mean anything if you can’t make good and quick decisions. Besides, that aspect of a QBs game is exaggerated anyway. You don’t want to throw it so hard the receiver can’t hold on to it, nor do you want to throw the deep ball too low in a straight line. As long as a QB has enough arm strength to get it between defenders, and can make the deep throw, it’s all the same.
Besides, I don’t think we know how strong Clausen’s arm is anyway, do we? Haven’t you people been saying his foot or something was injured and he couldn’t step into his throws? Let’s let him get into a pro strength and conditioning program and get him healthy before assuming things.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Blade!
While it is true Clausen won’t be acclimated to the speed of the game and probably doesn’t know the whole playbook, his is further ahead in those terms than the Rams Sam Bradford. And from what I can tell, Bradford will likely start week 1. If needed, I feel Clausen could step in with this supporting cast and lead us just fine. Obviously Moore would be better, but in case of injury, I feel good about Clausen. Teams aren’t infallible, Brady lasted until the sixth round, 32 teams passed on him multiple times. They look pretty foolish now don’t they.
Ready for 2010 football already!!!
by Flowing Willow on Jul 29, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this.
“It was like Delhomme was drunk at the wheel and Matt took his keys and drove us all home!”
And now most would rather have a 16 year old fresh off getting his permit to drive them instead
2 days post 21st birthday and training camp is open and no new posts
Pantherclawed must have one hell of a hangover.
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You have no Idea bro
I mixed My 21st and the panthers starting training camp into a two day over the top celebration. Im just now starting to regain motor functions and my appetite lol
by Pantherclawed on Jul 30, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Might be worthwhile to revisit last year's Dec game vs the Bucs
I’d forgotten the play-by-play breakdown I did on Moore, when he had his first start vs the Bucs, with emphasis on how quickly he got rid of the ball. But Jaxon, or James, put it on the Recent FanPosts section on the right, and it caught my eye.
Re-read the comments, and note the wait-and-see attitude that prevailed at that time, with still 4 starts to come for him.
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2009/12/7/1190076/detailed-breakdown-of-the-tampa
(That should have read: "Related Fan Posts")
In the same group as this thread.
Matt Moore the starter for a year or 2
I completely agree, I dont know why everyone thinks clausen should start over a guy who has proven himself several times! And i think that moore will be the starter the entire season unless he gets injured. But im afraid the panthers drafted jimmy to play sooner rather than later, i think they are going to use matt moore as a guy to help groom jimmy for later down the road. My reason for this is why sign matt to only a 1 year tender when you were willing to sign jake forever? I think after this year moore maybe looking for a new team (i hope not) or that he may sign only a 1-2 year deal again. Afterwards, the Clausen era will most likely begin!
J Pugh!
A lot will depend on the new CBA and new free agency rules...
For instance, the deal could include something that makes all current unrestricted free agents be restricted for a year, in exchange for easing the free agency path the the NFLPA wants. I mean, we just don’t know about Moore or the many other pending FAs on the roster until they finish the deal.
My views on Clausen is that he will eventually be better than Moore. He’s showing already that he’s a quick study, the game is slowing down, and he knows how to put air under the ball when he needs to. I might be wrong, though, because I don’t think Moore has topped out yet either. It will be interesting to watch as the year goes on.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

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