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Homers vs. Haters: Offseason Edition

Back by popular demand is Homer versus Hater, with the Homer role being played by Cyberjag and the Hater role by Jaxon. This edition looks at the Panthers offseason moves and paints the picture from both ends of the spectrum. So, who's right, Homer or Hater? Let's get it started:

Homer Cyberjag: Wow, what an offseason, huh?  We've had big signings, and big drafts, and big trades, but this is the first time in memory that we had a big purge.  And when you look at the results it's hard not to get excited about what happened.

You have to admit, the Panthers are playing it pretty smart.  Richardson has always allowed Hurney to open the wallet as wide as he needed, and Hurney has always taken full advantage.  But this year it looks like it slammed shut.  Don't let that fool you, we're clearly playing the long game and positioning ourselves for dominance for years to come.

Every time I read a reporter's complaint about Fox, what I really hear is "He doesn't tell us anything that we can print."  The guy is one of the winningest coaches in football for a reason--he's good.  And if he leaves after this season it will be because he wants to, not because a reporter heard something from the assistant equipment manager.  Oops, I mean "anonymous source."  Fox will do a hell of a good job this season, and will be back in 2011 if he wants to.

Hater Jaxon: Calling the Panthers off-season veteran purge ‘pretty smart’ is (to borrow a phrase) like putting lipstick on pig. For fans that want to see the Panthers win in 2010 you have to be skeptical. The Panthers now have the youngest team in the NFL and that quality is rarely seen in Super Bowl teams. The purge is simply a case of putting business priorities over team priorities with a prayer that a lame duck coach can create some magic. The Panthers will miss the veteran depth if they should somehow squeak into a wildcard slot playing the tough NFC South division. If not for the Panthers cupcake 2010 game schedule this team would be looking at a top 10 pick in 2011. 

Star-divide

On specific changes by position:

Quarterback

Homer Cyberjag: We all loved Jake's fire and leadership, but it was time.  Sure it's sad, but every great QB eventually has to come to terms that he just doesn't have what it takes to win any more.  And when that happens the best thing is often a new start.  Look at Montana in Kansas City, or Favre in New York and Minnesota.  Jake will help the Browns, and the Panthers are free to move on with Matt Moore.

And Moore is going to be fantastic!  Here are just a few things to think about--wins, touchdowns, and interceptions.  He was among the league leaders in all three during the span he played last year, and he's the only quarterback in his class who's thrown three touchdown passes in consecutive games.  And he did it with just Smitty and an aging Moose.  I know we're not supposed to talk receivers yet, but can you imagine how good he can be with the targets he's going to have?

I've heard people worry about his ability to bring the team back from a deficit, and they have a point I guess.  The problem with Moore is, when he's the QB the team doesn't get in a deficit that they have to overcome.  People used to say the same thing about Drew Brees, right?

Hater Jaxon: Though I can’t hate on the release of Delhomme (outside of ‘What took so long?) I also can’t believe Moore will match his ability to rally the Panthers in the 4th quarter. Moore does bring some nice qualities, such as a natural tendency to protect the ball when throwing passes. But if the Panthers are going to make a playoff run they had better get some early leads because this QB and his offense have yet to prove they can overcome a late deficit. With the tough early schedule the "Matt Moore Does No Wrong" crowd will be crying in their grits. Uh…and the reference to Brees? Pleeease…reset your expectations. The Panthers don’t need a gunslinger, they need a game manager and a guy who can hit a 3rd down pass above 50%. Moore appeared to fit the bill in his limited action but I’m sure he will have a couple ugly games early in 2010. But considering how long the Panthers stuck with Delhomme if Moore does bomb the Panthers won’t get out the hook until this season is in the tank.

Defensive Line 

Homer Cyberjag: Peppers is a loss, no one would ever argue otherwise.  But he's just one guy, and we have a LOT of talent behind him in Charles Johnson and Everette Brown.  In Meeks' scheme pressure is the key, and both players excel at that.  Johnson has also always been good against the run, and there's no reason to doubt Brown's dedication to improving in that area.  We won't have Peppers, but that doesn't mean we'll have to miss his presence once the whistle blows.

And on the inside it's all been addition by subtraction.  Kemo was a big body, and he commanded a double-team and ate up a lot of space, just like he was supposed to.  But Leonard does the same thing while applying pressure on the pocket.  And he's younger and still improving.  Lewis was great in his prime, but that was years ago.  Now he's been supplanted by a rising Tank Tyler, who was stolen for a fifth round pick.  Tyler didn't fit the new scheme KC installed, but he's going to be great in our 4-3.

Last year we were killed by injuries, especially on our defensive line.  Lightning doesn't generally strike twice, and when it does Hurney has traditionally done a good job planning for it.  Our line was hit hard, but as a result we're deeper at every position.  We should be fine there, which is good news for a defense that was already one of the league's best against the pass.  And given how our offense will be clicking, you can bet our opponents will need to pass...

Hater Jaxon: When the best thing you can really say about your defensive line is that ‘we’re due for an injury free season’ you have a complete disaster brewing. On paper the Panthers appear to have a number of guys ready for ‘break out years’. So why does it feel like a total crap shoot? The fact is if the Panthers get one legit starter out of the Leonard, Tyler, Hayden, Johnson and  Landri quintuplet then they would be lucky. Instead they will be rotating guys in and out hoping one of them emerges by midseason. I think I’ll ride the pass line on this one as its going to get ugly early.

Linebacker

Homer Cyberjag: There is no positive to losing Davis, that's a bigger hit than Peppers.  But what can you say about being able to plug in Jon Beason to pick up where Davis left off last year?  Beason is the better linebacker, even if he doesn't have Davis' amazing speed.  He anticipates better than most other linebackers, which makes him outstanding in coverage.  James Anderson is a huge improvement over the aging Na'il Diggs, and Dan Connor was born to play MLB at the NFL level.  

The bad news is that we lost Davis.  But the good news is that we still have one of the league's elite linebacking corps.  

Hater Jaxon: The Panthers do have an elite LB in John Beason but the remainder of the Davis-less LB corps is rather pedestrian. Dan Conner has yet to prove he can play coverage, Anderson has yet to prove he can stop the run and Jamar Williams has yet to prove he was worth the trade much less having ‘elite’ status. Like so many things with this Panther team, on paper they should be good at LB but until they show it on the field the odds are against them being top 10. With the less than average talent in front of these guys are going to stay busy as they are the only thing standing between the opposing running back and the goal line. If they don’t produce like the ‘elite’ squad Homer is predicting the Panthers will sport one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Strong Safety

Homer Cyberjag: Chris Harris was a fan favorite, but Godfrey caused just as many turnovers, and he's younger, faster, and better in coverage.  Anyone who saw the Panthers play late last season knows that we needed to find a way to get Martin on the field.  This is an overall position upgrade, to a secondary that was already one of the best around.

Hater Jaxon: I think you’re off the reservation with this one Homer. Harris was a leader on the Panther defense not just by position but by actions on the field. Godfrey needed time to transition from CB to FS yet now were asking him to move to SS. Godfrey has shown a tendency to whiff on tackles by not wrapping up. He is now the last line of defense on running plays with an even younger guy in Sherrod Martin behind him. Also, the notion the Cover 2 defense the Panthers run essentially makes Martin and Godfrey’s position the same is over ignoring the risks of having such young players in those spots. This Panther secondary will be susceptible to the deep seam routes and will get burned on occasion by gambling too much on the big play or hit. The issue is compounded by the fact that once it goes bad there won’t be the strong voice of the ‘Hitman’in the huddle to keep the young guys focused.

Wide Receiver

Hater Jaxon: Oh please let me go first on this one! So this is the year that a Panther QB gets a target other than Steve Smith? The choices the Panthers have given themselves is an under-achieving 4th year player, a couple of young low round picks or UDFA’s and a couple rookies. Do I really have to explain why I’m doubting this is the year? The two rookies do offer some promise but how often do rookie receivers really make an impact their first year? Maybe one or two per draft at best. More than likely both LaFell and Edwards (if Edwards pans out at all) will need a season or two to adjust to the NFL level. So it really comes down to Dwayne Jarrett to make it happen and guess what, I think that ship has sailed.

Homer : …[insert your comments in the thread] Let’s hear it!

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Jaxon’s comments were making me tense though. =)

by bmoyer on Jul 21, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Nevermind. Technical difficulty – wouldn’t let me Rec.

by bmoyer on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Jag says I'm too nice as a Hater...

I agree…I have a hard time hating on the Panthers (this season anyway). Look for Jag to be our resident Hater, but only because he reads the Huddle a lot and its full of Haters. Lots of material there!

If two members want to team up and do a H v H post I bet it would be a hit.

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by Jaxon on Jul 22, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

“You just made me vomit in my own mouth!”

“What the weather like up your own ass?”

by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

LBs, DL and Harris

Our front 7 are gonna be hurting. I remember when we had better personnel and the conference best record on the line, and the Giants ran all over us (2008, Derrick Ward had over 200 yds). Now we’ve got no one on the DL who has proven to be a bona fide starter over 16 games. The inability to stop the run will actually put more pressure on the offense to score more early, and qucker if we’re behind. The LBs are gonna be solid, but with such a weak DL, they’ll be susceptible to play action all day. The secondary is now our strength on the defense, but not because they got stronger. The new safety combo is better. Harris was too slow to cover deep routes, and there is no debate about if Williams was worth the trade for Harris. The Panthers had decided to cut Harris, and before they got a chance to announce it, the Bears offered a quality LB. I think we’re gonna struggle on defense. However, our offense is gonna be one of the best in the league. Our running game is the best I’ve seen in years, and Moore is clearly an upgrade over anything we’ve had since 2003. Moore’s QB rating was 98 as a starter. When we went 12-4 in 2008 and won the division, Jake was at 82…no better than David Carr. If Moore slips to an 85, he’s better than Jake, and with fewer turnovers. Overall, I still say we’re going to win 11 to 13 games, and win the superbowl. The key is the running game. The defense will spend a lot of time resting as we rack up 200 yds on the ground every single game. And Smitty will have his best season ever.

by usana_gaines on Jul 22, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Our secondary might suffer as well though

Because everything starts at the line of scrimmage. QB’s will find targets all day if given too much time.

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by southtunnel on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

This line made me laugh

“Homer: Peppers is a loss, no one would ever argue otherwise”

Was this a jab at a few people here that insist we are better off just by purging Pep???

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by southtunnel on Jul 22, 2010 9:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

ST...did you receive the FFL invite?

If not email me

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by Jaxon on Jul 22, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just found it

Thanks for letting me know, I don’t check that email account often

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by southtunnel on Jul 22, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of that

Is there a reason I can’t change my team name?

Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers

by Tater596 on Jul 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Err...I was wondering why no one else had changed their name

It won’t let you do that? I’ll look into it.

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by Jaxon on Jul 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't figure that either... looked everywhere

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by southtunnel on Jul 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Validity on both sides

With as much promise and fire that the youth brings (future stability as well), the veteran leadership took a hit. Look for Gross, Smitty, D.Will, Beast, TD and Gamble to take on those roles (Davis wont be on the field but will still be there and not sure how much impact Kasay has)
I am torn between Jaxon’s scepticism (all valid points) and my inner optimism (that Cyberjag has). We all know what they say about opinions: “….and everyone has one”. Bottom line here though, no-one will truly know until they “take the field” in NY on Sept 12 (The date that cant get here soon enough).

Ask not what your team can do for you...

by Panthrman on Jul 22, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Wide Receivers

They will be good this year. Edwards will be a threat coming out of the slot, especially since the Panthers are supposedly using the slot a lot more this year, and Dwayne Jarrett is going to break out this year. He has the hands to catch anything, and is a lot bigger then most DB. I am one of those believers that Delhomme was one of the main factors in Jarrett’s lack of production in earlier years so now with Moore throwing him the ball he should be able to produce and take some of the pressure off Steve Smith. I also like Lafell’s potential if Dwayne Jarrett can’t produce but that wont be a problem.

Side note: I also feel the Backfield and TE’s will be utilized in the passing game a lot more this year then usual to make it easier on Moore and the WR’s.

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

by ThePanthers! on Jul 22, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

My gut tells me this is another year of only Smitty as a receiving threat.

I just don’t like the odds of having to rely on a guy who has struggled for 3 years now, and 2 rookies… one who didn’t even play the position in college. The flip side is that I think Matt Moore will do well. But I really think it’s going to be the Smitty and Double Trouble show again… And maybe LaFell or Edwards comes on late in the year, or next year.

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by southtunnel on Jul 23, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes...that is my concern as well

It really is up to Jarrett to take the pressure off of Smitty. LaFell and Edwards will have to adjust to the speed of the game. Yet even if Jarrett is not spectacular the offense will be fine with the running game and Smith as long as we protect the ball and the QB. I think all this ‘must have a WR opposite Smith’ is overblown to a degree. More throws to the TE could off-set some production from the #2 WR.

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by Jaxon on Jul 23, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

But who knows… Jarrett has shown flashes, so maybe all he needs is more time on the field without a Muhsin-like option in front of him. Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

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by southtunnel on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

We just have to close our eyes and believe…

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

by ThePanthers! on Jul 26, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wide Receiver - Homer says:

Steve Smith is a stud, and he’s going to be playing with even more intensity (is that even possible) because of the broken arm. I think he’s back in the Pro Bowl this year. Jarrett gets his shot to prove he can be a difference maker, and he will be successful. I’ve been watching a lot of video on Jarrett, and the guy catches everything even if he’s not wide open. He’s shown he can take a hit and hold onto the ball. He’s also shown the sideline skills to stretch and stay inbounds. Once Moore develops the confidence in him to throw his way even if he’s not wide open, he will be effective. I watched an NFL network segment on the top-10 players with the best hands, and #1 was Chris Carter. Not a speedster, not a big separation guy, but he caught everything whether with one hand or two. Jarrett isn’t Chris Carter, but there are similarities, plus Jarrett’s taller with longer reach.
Our new guys present exciting possibilities. I look for Lafell to contribute to the running and passing game this year, though the passing part may take a few games. Edwards will be a return threat much like Desmond Howard (Mr. Heismann pose) from the start, and will be a slot receiver and wildcat threat by mid-season or sooner.
Whoever the other two or three receivers end up being, I expect them to be special teams contributors primarily, getting some occasional snaps in the offense. The one I would single out is Gettis, who won’t be an impact player this year, but by next year will be ready to break out.
Last, but not least, the passing game focus in camp will make all these guys better. Use of multi-receiver sets will throw defenses into a quandary, because of the running game.
Now if that’s not being a Homer, I’ll eat my shorts, man.

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by Rick Bates on Jul 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Good one...

No argument on Carter being #1…he was the King of the sideline grab.

I hope Jarrett does play like we expect…it is his time

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by Jaxon on Jul 22, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing I learned about Chris Carter from that segment...

When he started with the Eagles, he flashed some talent here and there, but off-field (drug) issues kept him from being productive. The Eagles let him go after three years and Minnesota picked him up. Carter got his act together, and the rest is history.
Jarrett’s issues have been about maturity rather than drugs (I hope), but as Carter proved, there is hope for a breakout career once you get yourself together. Jarrett’s talking the talk so far…

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by Rick Bates on Jul 23, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Panther's Preaseason Ratings (1-5 scale)

This is just my preliminary analysis, (5 is the highest possible grade). Each of the three facets of the game has 5 major categories. An average rating for each facet, and an overall average have been calculated as well…

Passing: 3
Receiving: 2.75
Rushing: 4.5
Pass Blocking: 3.75
Run Blocking: 4.25

Average Offensive Rating: 3.65

Run Stopping: 2
Pass Rushing: 2.75
Man Coverage: 3.5
Zone Coverage: 4.0
Tackling: 3

Average Defensive Rating: 3.05

Field Goals: 3.25
Punting: 3.5
Kick Returns: 2.5
Punt Returns: 2.5
Kick Coverage: 3

Average Special Teams Rating: 2.95

Overall Average Rating: 3.22 (a 64.4 on a scale of 100)

"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."

by ERL on Jul 22, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

ERL, where's the love, man?

We might have to start calling you Jason —jk
Rushing has to be a 5, and run blocking 4.75, pass blocking 4.00
Tackling 4.00
KR 3.25, PR 3.25, coverage 4

I’m too tired to do the math ;=p

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by Rick Bates on Jul 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

You really think that our Punt and kick returns are above average? Tackling too? No, I’m sorry. As much as I love my team I can remember throughout the entire season last year lamenting about how poor our tackling was with the exception of Jon Beason and Thomas Davis. Our Punt and Kick returns have been mediocre at best. Field Goals could use a bump though… Kasay doesn’t exactly miss.

Overall though, these numbers are meaningless projections in an open void. Without other teams to compare (with stats that aren’t biased) they don’t mean anything.

by aceofsween on Jul 22, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they will be this year..

It’s no secret that they were down right horrendous last year but I think we’ve picked up enough ST’ers to see a good bit of improvement. We’ve got the pieces to have a great return game, it’s just a matter of seeing if it can all come together or not, and when.

Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A

by D-Ranged1 on Jul 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought your name said "aceofbass" for a second :)

What does Ace of Sween mean?

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by southtunnel on Jul 23, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do this for every team

For betting purposes. What? Who said that.

"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."

by ERL on Jul 23, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now Bart, you don't want to drink beer. That's for Daddies, and kids with fake IDs.

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by southtunnel on Jul 23, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of 'hate'

Jason Cole appeared on Cat Crave Radio, which aired on Wednesday, July 21st.

He tries to justify his less than gracious rankings that we’ve been stewing over for a while. He also feels that there is a much higher chance that “they’ll be picking somewhere between 1st and 6th in the draft, rather than earning a playoff spot.”

http://catcraveradio.com/2010/07/20/ccr-119-jason-colematt-bowen/

"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."

by ERL on Jul 23, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, as I’ve said before, he doesn’t really explain his rankings. He just says “I just see no talent there.”

by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he could give us his 'talent evaluation' credientials?

Oh…he doesn’t have any? What a shock. You mean not a single NFL team pays him to evaluate talent? Never? Geeezzz

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by Jaxon on Jul 23, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I’m picking up your sarcasm.”

"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."

by ERL on Jul 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do have a first this year.

And while I would hate to see us get a top five pick, there is some talent. Imagine how scary this team would be with one of the top receivers or DL. Julio Jones, A.J. Green, Robert Quinn, Marcel Dareus, etc.

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furney doesn't even need a first rond pick sometimes

I posted this link on a comment for a different article but I think it fits here better.

I ran across this archived 2010 1st Rd Mock draft. Carolina did not have a 1st round pick in this draft and ended up with 3 players that had first round grades this time last year. If you look at the list closely you’ll see this person wasn’t that far off on alot of these guys. I know I questioned some of the moves that were made this offseason ( most notably Hoover, and Pep- I’m a huge tarheel fan) but I’m extremely impressed with the young talent that was acquired.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/277339-2010-nfl-mock-draft-round-1

by Novar on Jul 23, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true.

One guy in particuler, Ole Miss QB Jevan Snead, was my personal favorite QB in this last draft class. At this time last year, he was regarded as a possible top ten pick. He wasn’t even drafted this year. He’s with the Bucs now. >_>

Ready for 2010 football already!!!

by Flowing Willow on Jul 24, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That mock was way off

Was LaFell ever considered the best WR in the draft?

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by southtunnel on Jul 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaFell was the first senior WR taken.

The ones ahead of him were juniors. It’s hard for a mock draft that far in advance to predict which juniors will declare for the draft.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 25, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

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by southtunnel on Jul 25, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bleacher Reports

(im sure not every post) are a joke. cut and paste from the first slide…
It may sound like a long ways away to the 2010 NFL draft.

Six months.

Only half a year, right?

Well, I don’t really care. Mock drafts are fun to do, and I’m incredibly bored at the moment.

I’ve been going through my fair share of thoughts on who will go where.

These are my thoughts typed on individual slides.

The order of the picks are based on who I think will win the most games based on the teams current records.

NOTE: I do not have Sam Bradford declaring after this season. As a result, he will not be drafted.

Gee who would have ever guessed Sam Bradford would come out? I mean the guy wasn’t even drafted, was he? Oh wow hes not on #1 pick Jake Locker’s level, is he? I heard contract negotiacions have finally started. Jimmy Clausen sure was proud to go 4th right? Ras-I Dowling? Von Miller? Arthur Jones in the first round? Boo Robinson in the first round? he wasnt even drafted. and Ryan Mallett! You cited this article as proof someone had a “first round grade”? Wow im speechless.

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 24, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

why did you even comment?

The point was not to validate this particular Mock. It’s obvious that many teams did not agree with some of this guys grades. I was pointing the ability of the organization to draft talent regardless of the draft. For a team who takes so much flack about trading away first rounders(a first for EB last year or first for Otah, or even the second for AE) they have no problem acquiring top notch talent.

by Novar on Jul 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, were you at Otis Nixon's party...

before he gave up the nose candy? And as for being speechless, you would be if there were an “minimum comment intelligence” filter on this site. Novar did in fact cite an article showing that three Panther draft picks were graded as first rounders. Clausen, Hardy, and Lafell were all expected to go higher by many analysts. Please, if you visit a rival team’s site, at least be respectful and hold the sarcasm down a bit.

Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.

by Rick Bates on Jul 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Dude if you guys are that big of… and your first instinct is to attack me than laugh and admit how rediculous citing that draft is. I also see you ignored all but one of the picks I underlined… nice. I dont consider Carolina a big rival was just clicking around, thoght with the title this article would be interesting. I don’t sh*& in other peoples house so i wont add anymore but really… wow

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 31, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would take that bet in a skinny minutes

$100 Mr. Cole!!! If the Panthers get a top6 draft slot I’ll pay you $100 and if the Panthers make the playoffs you pay me. Like I said, in a skinny minute…easy money!!!

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by Jaxon on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

WR's

Obviously our WR corp begins and ends with the greatest Panther of all-time (in my opinion) Steve Smith. He’s older, calmer, wiser, more open to teammates than ever, and i’m willing to bet he’s gonna be a great teacher to all these young guys. His injury could even be a blessing in disguise, as it will give more guys more reps in camp/preseason.

As for Jarrett, yea, he’s under-achieved thus far.. but those of us Panthers fans who really watch our boys have to have noticed how much better the chemistry is between Moore/Jarrett than it was when Jake was in there. Moore is generally a more talented quarterback than Jake ever was anyway (Bless his heart), which will make the receiving corps more productive in itself.

Edwards is the only two-time Walter Payton Award winner ever, so that’s all i’m gonna say as far as his potential. Lafell was a steal/is a beast. And nobody seems to have noticed the Wallace Wright acquisition, which not only improves special teams and adds WR depth, but he has something to prove as a WR. He’s experienced and hungry for a chance and I think he could be an answer at WR.

Oh, and as for "rookie WR’s rarely being impact players, please see kenny britt, austin collie, michael crabtree, brian hartline, percy harvin, johnny knox, jeremy maclin, hakeem nicks, mike wallace..

and that was just a few guys from last season alone. Must be all the video games kids are playing nowadays..

by ezekielh34 on Jul 23, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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