Third Round Wide Receivers: Setting the Bar
In case you were on a different planet in April, the Panthers drafted two wide receivers in the third round of the NFL draft: Brandon LaFell (78th overall) and Armanti Edwards (89th overall). I've heard various predictions for both of these receivers for this year. If you ask the right person on CSR, they will both be pro-bowlers with 75 receptions, 1,000 yards and double digit touchdowns in 2010.
I figured I'd do a little research to find out how third rounders generally fare in their rookie seasons. In the decade from 2000-2009, there have been 47 wide receivers drafted in the third round. That's a lot of data to draw many possible conclusions from. For the purpose of this article, I stuck to the stats at the WR position (excluding special teams stats). When giving averages and predictions, I excluded the five players that didn't get any playing time in their rookie seasons.
Here's a hint. The best rookie season by a third round pick happened in 2009 - see if you can guess the player...
More after the jump.
Here's what I found:- An average of 10.1 games with 2.3 starts.
- 13.6 receptions
- 180.8 yards
- 13.3 yards/catch
- 1 touchdown
- 44% of players that didn't eclipse 100 yards receiving are now out of the NFL.
- 64% of players that played in 2 or less games are now out of the NFL.
- Most yards in a rookie season: Mike Wallace with 756 yards (congrats if you guessed right).
- Most touchdowns in a rookie season: Mike Wallace/Darrell Jackson/Chris Henry with 6 TD.
- Most starts: "Snoop" Minnis with 11.
- 2009 total yards rank by a 3rd round receiver: 25th - Steve Smith CAR (982), 31st - Mike Sims-Walker (869), 34th - Mario Manningham (822)
- 2008 total yards rank by a 3rd round receiver: 3rd - Steve Smith CAR (1,421), 24th - Bernard Berrian (964), 34th - Laveranues Coles (850)
I will include all the data I compiled below, but the biggest thing I saw is that most third round receivers are intended to be 3rd or 4th receivers with few exceptions. I know that the Panthers are a run-first team and they still believe they have something in Dwayne Jarrett, but one or both of these rookies is likely to get significant playing time this year. I don't know how likely it is, but many have suggested we could even have both on the field at the start of week one (along with Smitty). Maybe you can tease even more trends out of the data, so here it is:
| Year | Pick # | Team | Name | Games | Starts | Rec. | Yards | Avg | TD |
| 2009 | 84 | Steelers | Mike Wallace | 16 | 4 | 39 | 756 | 19.4 | 6 |
| 2000 | 80 | Seahawks | Darrell Jackson | 16 | 9 | 53 | 713 | 13.5 | 6 |
| 2007 | 78 | Packers | James Jones | 16 | 9 | 47 | 676 | 14.4 | 2 |
| 2001 | 77 | Chiefs | Marvin "Snoop" Minnis | 13 | 11 | 33 | 511 | 15.5 | 1 |
| 2003 | 71 | Vikings | Nate Burleson | 16 | 9 | 29 | 455 | 15.7 | 2 |
| 2007 | 75 | Falcons | Laurent Robinson | 15 | 6 | 37 | 437 | 11.8 | 1 |
| 2005 | 83 | Bengals | Chris Henry | 14 | 5 | 31 | 422 | 13.6 | 6 |
| 2000 | 78 | Jets | Laveranues Coles | 13 | 3 | 22 | 370 | 16.8 | 1 |
| 2008 | 84 | Falcons | Harry Douglas | 16 | 0 | 23 | 320 | 13.9 | 1 |
| 2005 | 96 | Titans | Brandon Jones | 10 | 8 | 23 | 299 | 13 | 2 |
| 2003 | 65 | Bengals | Kelley Washington | 16 | 3 | 22 | 299 | 13.6 | 4 |
| 2005 | 68 | Titans | Courtney Roby | 13 | 6 | 21 | 289 | 13.8 | 1 |
| 2004 | 78 | Bears | Bernard Berrian | 16 | 1 | 15 | 225 | 15 | 2 |
| 2006 | 82 | Dolphins | Derek Hagan | 16 | 0 | 21 | 221 | 10.5 | 1 |
| 2007 | 79 | Jaguars | Mike Sims-Walker | 9 | 1 | 16 | 217 | 13.6 | 0 |
| 2009 | 91 | Seahawks | Deon Butler | 10 | 0 | 15 | 175 | 11.7 | 0 |
| 2001 | 74 | Panthers | Steve Smith | 15 | 1 | 10 | 154 | 15.4 | 0 |
| 2007 | 73 | Texans | Jacoby Jones | 14 | 3 | 15 | 149 | 9.9 | 0 |
| 2000 | 66 | Bengals | Ron Dugans | 14 | 5 | 14 | 125 | 8.9 | 1 |
| 2006 | 90 | Bucs | Maurice Stovall | 9 | 2 | 7 | 102 | 14.6 | 0 |
| 2000 | 79 | Browns | JaJuan Dawson | 2 | 2 | 9 | 97 | 10.8 | 1 |
| 2000 | 73 | Giants | Ron Dixon | 12 | 0 | 6 | 92 | 15.3 | 1 |
| 2008 | 81 | Cardinals | Early Doucet | 7 | 0 | 14 | 90 | 6.4 | 0 |
| 2000 | 69 | Bears | Dez White | 15 | 0 | 10 | 87 | 8.7 | 1 |
| 2008 | 97 | Bengals | Andre Caldwell | 7 | 4 | 11 | 78 | 7.1 | 0 |
| 2009 | 82 | Lions | Derrick Williams | 11 | 0 | 6 | 52 | 8.7 | 0 |
| 2007 | 99 | Raiders | Johnnie Lee Higgins | 16 | 2 | 6 | 47 | 7.8 | 0 |
| 2007 | 74 | Ravens | Yamon Figurs | 14 | 0 | 1 | 36 | 36 | 0 |
| 2006 | 78 | Browns | Travis Wilson | 4 | 1 | 2 | 32 | 16 | 0 |
| 2008 | 95 | Giants | Mario Manningham | 7 | 0 | 4 | 26 | 6.5 | 0 |
| 2009 | 85 | Giants | Ramses Barden | 3 | 0 | 1 | 16 | 16 | 0 |
| 2003 | 74 | Rams | Kevin Curtis | 4 | 1 | 4 | 13 | 3.3 | 0 |
| 2007 | 76 | 49ers | Jason Hill | 5 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 0 |
| 2004 | 82 | Ravens | Devard Darling | 3 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 2.5 | 0 |
| 2003 | 95 | Eagles | Billy McMullen | 5 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| 2009 | 83 | Patriots | Brandon Tate | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2009 | 87 | Dolphins | Patrick Turner | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2009 | 99 | Bears | Juaquin Iglesias | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2008 | 70 | Bears | Earl Bennett | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2007 | 80 | Titans | Paul Williams | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2006 | 84 | 49ers | Brandon Williams | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2006 | 95 | Steelers | Willie Reid | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2004 | 77 | 49ers | Derrick Hamilton | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2002 | 86 | Bucs | Marquise Walker | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2002 | 87 | Redskins | Cliff Russell | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2002 | 95 | Rams | Eric Crouch | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2000 | 70 | Broncos | Chris Cole | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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You probably should've looked up 2nd rounders.
I don’t think LaFell drops to the 3rd round in any other draft. Interesting that Laveranues Coles was a 3rd round pick. I was not aware. He didn’t do too well last year though. Just one of several reasons my fantasy team tanked.
stuff 'bout stuff.
This is true. This is the deepest draft likely in history with all talent Jrs coming out to beat the system.
As a 9er fan I couldn’t be happier with our 3rd rounder but I had LeFell falling to us and becoming our #2 over Morgan and Ginn. He will be a talent at some point. I don’t think the first year but sooner rather than later.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 22, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Both will play
Unless Fox and Davidson actually change the play-calling, they may not have much opportunity to make an impact. BUT, why would management draft these two players as early as they did, ignoring arguably bigger needs (D-line) if they weren’t going to use these guys this year?
Since Clausen was picked 48th, and he will not be used this year unless something unforeseen happens, it would be irresponsible to use your first three draft picks on guys who are not going to have a role in 2010. This is especially true when you consider the amount of unproven players that we will call upon. The idea is to throw enough against the wall that something will have to stick.
Anyway, The above reasoning is why I believe these guys will both be asked to produce. How much we don’t yet know, but I wouldn’t be surprised if both players approach 400-500 receiving yards this year, as does Jarrett.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
I think Edwards has the bigger season this year...
Lafell will be splitting time with Jarrett, while Edwards will hopefully get lots of opportunities in the slot. I’m saying about 400 yds and 2 TDs for Edwards, 250 yards for Lafell. But, these two are the heir apparents to Smitty and Moose in future seasons.
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Lafell just signed
I put up a fanshot a second ago.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
I think Jarrett and Lafell
will be competing for the WR2 spot with Edwards getting looks for the WR3 spot on 3 (and hopefully a couple 4) wide out sets, KR/PR (like Smitty), and a few wildcat plays this year. Though I’d be surprised if they actually let him do anything but run it out the wildcat this season. But I think the hopes are Edwards does evolve into Smitty’s successor at some point.
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Well, luckily they still have a few more drafts before they absolutely need another All-Pro receiver. If they didn’t hit it this time, there’s always next year. Out of the 6 guys they picked up this offseason, you have to at least think 2 or 3 will stick though. Maybe they’re not All-Pro, but they should turn out to be good receivers. Hopefully there’s no Will Witherspoon goof up.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 20, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I hard time believing
we can’t find one solid WR2 out of this lot. Hopefully we have a lot more, but I don’t think a solid 2nd option is expecting too much.
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by John Chilton on Jul 20, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
To actually have 4 WR on the field...ocassionally
Yes. In the past if we’d lineup in an empty set, it would be Smitty, Moose, Jarrett/Hackett, a TE and a RB.
Now we might actually be equipped to put more playmakers on the field at the same time.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
Think they'll both exceed the average
but don’t believe they both hit 700 yds and 5 tds. With the Panthers running game, think opposing DC’s will have to pick their poison. Do they stack up the box with 8 players to try to counter Carolina’s ground attack and risk leaving their secondary in man to man coverage, or do they respect the Panther’s passing game and risk leaving their interior D overmatched against Double Trouble? With Davidson’s play calling, you can’t really say that any down & distance is an obvious passing situation. If he can be a little creative with his formations and play selection, this may be the most explosive Panther offense we’ve seen yet.
Take the world as it is, not as it ought to be.
The first play of the first regular season game, they should run an end around with Armanti Edwards and have Steve Smith run a deep slant. Touchdown to Smith, and another route of the Giants.
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by silver82blade on Jul 20, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be happy with just another route of the Giants. Maybe my memory is failing but it’s been a couple years since a season opener win for the Panthers, right?
I see Edwards having a bigger impact as a slot receiver. Lafell rides the bench as management gives Jarrett his last shot at a career.
Lafell has a great season next year.
by SwampPanther on Jul 20, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
See that again.
I’m hoping to see a rematch of that in the future, since my bro goes for the Panthers and I go for the Chargers. I love this team as well, it’d be an awesome game. Explosive even.
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Fox is an even 4-4 in season openers.
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by silver82blade on Jul 20, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be interested to see a breakdown like this of 2nd round receivers bmoyer
I think in any other (more typical) draft, both of these players are 2nd round picks. Which I think is why management was willing to trade next years 2nd for Armanti in the 3rd this year. It will be reasonable that with that pick next year, talent has already dropped below that of Armanti.
As for expectations…
Provided we see a glimmer of hope in Jarrett, I think we see him and Smitty lining up as our starters. I think we can expect to see either LaFell or Armanti in the slot depending on the situation. If we are looking at 3rd and 5, we may be more likely to see LaFell, if we are looking at 2nd and 10, maybe more likely to see Armanti.
Reasonably, I think we see more LaFell than Armanti, simply because Armanti still has a lot to learn. The camp reports are encouraging, but we won’t know much about how ready he is until the preseason when he faces opposing DBs in full contact drills. Here are my early forecasts for our rookies assuming that niether are starters:
LaFell: 38rec, 470yds, 4tds
Edwards: 14rec, 300yds, 2tds rushing: 20att, 110yds, 1td passing: 4/6, 90yds, 1td
The forecast on Edwards assumes a little wildcat duty as well as WR sweeps and reverses. I think he gets one long touchdown on a wildcat pass if Davidson/Fox let him throw it occasionally.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Yeah. I know it.
But I just don’t see a lot of short passes headed his way. I think they are more likely to use him on the deep routes. He makes a sneaky target underneath in space on say a slant or dig route, but his game will shine on the seams and deep posts.
That said, I have tried to average in 2 or 3 40+ yard receptions to his total. So if you give him 3 receptions that total up to be around 150 of those yards and subtract that you get… 11rec, 150yards, for a YPC of 13.6, which I think is attainable.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
This is a reality check article
I know it’s fun to assume in the off season that every move the Panthers make will be gold. But that’snot the reality of things. Drafting another Smitty in any round, much less the third is extremely unlikely. And Fox/Hurney don’t have a great record in drafting receivers.
I do however have hope that since we have a bunch of potential #2’s this year, the odds are better that we’ll find one. I’m just not confident that that person will emerge by week one. It might take 10 or more games. Luckily though we might be able to cushion the lack of experience with an easy schedule. And hopefully be ready to go come playoffs.
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by southtunnel on Jul 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He he ... you said snot.
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by silver82blade on Jul 21, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
T.O. was a 3rd rounder. It happens
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 22, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the laws of probability
Possible but not likely
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by southtunnel on Jul 22, 2010 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm really excited to see LaFell play
He’s the more polished guy who is supposed to be ‘NFL ready’ whereas Edwards will take a season or two before making a significant impact imo.
You are probably right about Edwards
But about every other time I see his name I think “DeShaun Jackson.”
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
They have almost the same frame...
I don’t know if Edwards is quite the 4.3 40 guy Jackson is, but they are definitely the same type of player. If only Edwards had gone to a div 1A school…
Clemson tried to get him to transfer
But he wanted none of it. After getting snubbed as a 0-star recruit the FBS didnt even look at him. It wasn’t until after his superstar freshman year that the FBS brain trust wanted him. But, by then, Armanti was an on-campus hero at App, and was playing with that chip on his shoulder of not being good enough for the big boys coming out of high school.
Here is his old rivals.com recruiting page. You can see they rated him 0 stars but all the users have given him 5 stars. lol. Scout.com at least gave him 2 stars.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Armanti-Edwards-36897
also… you can see here that Clemson took a look at him after his junior year of high school, but never offered him a scholarship originally.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
How does a guy with NFL athletic ability get zero stars?
It seems like he’d be good for something at least. That SAT score was pretty bad lol. Maybe that had something to do with it. He still should’ve gotten at least 1 star though.
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by silver82blade on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I noticed the SAT score. horrible. lol
Which is funny because he graduated from App in only 3.5 years and made the Dean’s list. Some people are just not good at taking tests.
But seriously, rivals rating him so poorly just goes to show how bad and useless some of these rating sites can be. For example, Tennessee has a star middle linebacker (Nick Reviez) returning this year that made the team as a walk on, but he is considered one of the best linebackers in the SEC.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Could you imagine if he has anywhere near the same impact as D-Jack in his first two seasons?
I think he can. He’s that good.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
You may be overestimating
It’s better to underestimate ones talent than over
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by silver82blade on Jul 21, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at Sidney Rice's stats from 2007-08 to 2009
Every player is on a different team, in a different situation, with a different QB. It’s not apples to apples.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
There are different kinds of apples.
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by silver82blade on Jul 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Some apples are rotten and have to be tossed out
Just Sayin!
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Well as we have been saying for two years, perhaps prematurely
This is the year that he has to put up or shut up. We were too quick to say that. Now is when he must produce, because now he is going to be given a real opportunity.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
I'm not super confident in Jarrett, but I think he has a better shot than LaFell or Edwards
At least for this year. He has had time to adjust and learn the ropes. He’s made a few plays here and there, and now he has the opportunity. The rookies are still at step one. Have no clue which one will still be here in 2013, but I think Jarrett would have to have the better 2010.
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You can feed them to some cows. You don’t have to just throw them out.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jul 23, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that's exactly what we'll do
Maybe not crows, but I can think of a few other dirty birds ;)
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