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Panthers Position Review - Fullback

 

On this team, we have two star running backs. It is without question that DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart have been the bread and butter of this offense for the last couple of years, especially with Jake Delhomme discovering new ways to stink up the field! Last year they were the first pair of RB's in NFL history to rush for over 1,100 yards each, and they seem poise to try to break that record this year as well. However, one of the greatest reasons that they have been such good players was because Brad Hoover was such a good fullback. When the Panthers made it to the Super Bowl in 2004, Brad Hoover was helping Stephen Davis to a career high 1444 rushing yards in the regular season. When DeAngelo Williams broke the Panthers team record for rushing in 2008, Brad Hoover was the man leading the way.

But now, for whatever reason, the Panthers have cut Brad Hoover on the basis that he is too old. We have this huge age movement that can be argued either way whether or not it was taken too far. This particular move makes sense though. For the first time in nearly 4 seasons, Brad Hoover went down last year to injury in Week 9 and missed 3 games. And at age 33, he's well past his peak in his career. While we all will miss yelling "Hooooooove!" every time he got a carry, this cut was necessary in order further the advancement of the team and our jaw-breaking rushing attack.

There are few candidates to replace such a man as Brad, but the Panthers prepared ahead. Since there is only one position at FB and very few players capable to fill it in, the list here is going to be very short.

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Tony Fiammetta - 6 feet 246 pounds, 2nd year with Carolina, Syracuse

Tony Fiammetta is your classic John Fox pick. Taken in the 4th round of the NFL Draft, he was graded as the best FB in the draft among draft circles. With his strong work ethic and his family's military background, Tony Fiammetta attracted the Panthers interest due to his strong senior year at Syracuse. He was a huge factor in his teammate Curtis Brinkley's 1,100 yard season, and often was described by his coaches as "having intangibles that made him indispensable to the offense." Among his achievements, his lone college touchdown was the game winning score in Syracuse's win over Louisville, a moment that catapulted him into the national spotlight.

Not only will Tony Fiammetta provide the type of player that Brad Hoover once was to the Panthers, but he will provide a capable receiver out of the backfield as well. He's an upgrade at speed without giving anything up in power. However, he is an injury risk, and he needs to work on being more consistent with his blocks. He seemed to hesitate on who he was going to block on certain plays during the preseason last year, and hesitation in the NFL can kill you more often than not. He smelt of rookie, but this year he will smell like a NFL veteran. The Panthers are depending on him to start, and I don't see him disappointing us.

80% chance to make roster, 80% to start.

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Rashawn Jackson

Grabbed up by the Panthers after the NFL Draft, Rashawn Jackson was graded as being the top fullback heading into the talented 2010 draft-class. In his senior season, he rushed 91 times for 461 yards, and added 25 catches for 222 yards on top of that. However, he went undrafted partially because of the class being so talented and partially because of his criminal background while he played at the University of Virginia. In Octover 2008 he faced federal charges for breaking and entering into a college dorm committed in November 2007, but was later acquitted due to a lack of evidence.

He will be Tony Fiammetta's main competition going into training camp, but the question is will there even be a competition or not? It can be said that Rashawn Jackson has the tools and the body to be a good fullback for the Panthers if he has the skills. But will they compete, or is Jackson simply insurance in case Tony goes down or chokes during the preseason? Note John Fox's loyalty to veterans, because it might strike again right here. As a matter of fact, I'm betting that it does.

20% chance to make roster, 20% to start. He is also a great PS candidate.

Tyrell Sutton - 5,8 213 pounds, 2nd year with Carolina, Northwestern

Claimed off Waivers from Green Bay, people thought it was nuts when the Panthers decided to make Tyrell Sutton out of all people their emergency fullback when Tony Fiametta went down to injury. He did a good job. While he didn't have the size for the job, he still played remarkably well when tough times called for desperate measures. There is a great article here about where his high school coach talks about how he used to tackle LeBron James when he used to play with him in his Peewee football days.

The biggest question here is whether or not the Panthers will keep Sutton on the depth chart. He's here for his running back skills, and he has 3 talents ahead of him in DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, and Mike Goodson. If the Panthers go with 4 RB's, chances are he'll be here in case of emergency. If they go with 3, then the Panthers are screwed if Fiammetta goes down. Either way, I do hope that they keep him. He may overtake Mike Goodson if given enough time, and he wouldn't cost as much money!

60% chance will make the roster, 0% will start at FB if Rashawn Jackson makes it to PS.

Jeff King - 6,3 260 pounds, 5th year with Carolina,

Jeff is probably next in line as your in-case-of-emergency-break-glass candidate at fullback. Honestly, if the Panthers fall this far there's not really much else you can do. But the Panthers have good talent at TE and they won't miss much with him gone, and if anything Jeff King is a body at fullback and that's at least saying something. If the Panthers fall this far though, don't be surprised if they don't resign Brad Hoover to come save the day. Really, Jeff King is only up here to give a 3rd option for fullback.

100% chance to make roster, 0% chance to start as fullback.

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Just a few quick fact checks. I don’t really think Fiammetta has shown any kind of threat to catch the ball. He had 28 catches in three years at Syracuse, but he’s dropped every pass I’ve ever seen thrown to him at the pro level. I thought Sutton was already ahead of Goodson on the depth chart. I thought he overtook him at minicamp or OTAs. I could be wrong. Rosario played a little full back for us in certain situations. I think they’d put him there before King, and let King block from the tight end position. You also left off the other fullback on the team, Jackson.

I really hope Fiammetta steps up. He looks like he has the frame to really wear down defenses. Maybe Hoover should come back as an assistant and teach him some stuff.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 1, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

There were some stats somewhere that showed Fiametta didn't drop any passes

and I don’t remember them throwing to him at all last season. What he does need to work on is picking up his assignments correctly. But he’s shown flashes, and I think he’ll be a really good one in a few years.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I remember it, clearly. Him dropping at least two passes is seared into my brain. I’m positive it was him. They were easy too, little swing stuff in the flat. It could’ve been preseason. I don’t recall what games.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember those two as well. I'm pretty sure it was preseason.

He was good in college though. I think that those passes were more Fiammetta choking than anything else. If he has a good preseason, I don’t think they’ll hurt him too bad!

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, preseason.

I didn’t follow that as closely.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Small point, but it was games 9-11 that Hoover missed, not "the rest of the season."

http://www.nfl.com/players/bradhoover/gamelogs?id=HOO705549

He came back strong after his injury, and caught a pass in each of the last 3 games, including one for a TD, and ran the ball 9 times against the Giants in week 16.

He was fully recovered – injury had nothing to do with his release, IMO.

Fiammetta may have the size comparable to Hoover, but whether he can find the right guy to block at the second level – as Hoover always could – will be the key to his (and probably our RB’s) success. This is still the one personnel move I question.

by bigdavis on Jul 1, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, you made a few typos.

Lol, I’m just playing. I love these position articles. You guys do a good job with them. I wish Sutton would put on a few more pounds, so he could be even more effective if he needs to step in as FB. That’d make me feel better.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 1, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Taken in the 128th round? :)

Good Lord, don’t tell me they expanded the draft to 128 rounds. I get little enough sleep those days as it is. :D

by Cyberjag on Jul 1, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha!

That’s a funny one. He was taken 128th overall, so that’s where that came from in case you were curious! :p

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two more for consideration

Depending on who you talk to, UVA product Rashawn Jackson was either the top rated fullback this year, or number two behind Clay Harbor. He wasn’t drafted, and was signed as a UDFA. He’s a 6’1" 239 lb lead blocker with good running skills but not elite speed (4.73 40). He’s really good at moving the pile though, and made a name for himself at UVA with his short-yardage skills.

Dante Rosario played some Fullback in college, and often lines up as the second Tight End in Carolina’s offense. When they go to two Tight Ends, the second is the one that takes the Fullback’s blocking assignments. Rosario has also lined up at Fullback in the traditional position while a Panther. He’s got great hands and can really run with the ball, but he doesn’t block well enough to be a reliable option at this position.

by Cyberjag on Jul 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Edited!

I added Rashawn Jackson like you suggested. I was going to add him in the original list before this post went up, but the system glitched or something and the post went up before I intended it. I thought about adding Daunte Rosario as a 5th option, but at 4 players already on the list I decided to cut the list off. Thanks for the info!

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Jackson

He’s a beast. He could be the guy to come in for those 3rd and 1 Fullback Blasts that Hoov used to run.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Jul 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, Rosario is probably the third option at FB.

We used him some there last year. I think Rashawn Jackson makes the PS if he shows well and Fiametta disappoints. Otherwise he has to try and make an impact elsewhere.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

This wasn't supposed to be up >.>

No idea why it is up so early. Blarg.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Good grief, and it won't even allow me to delete my own article.

This is the last time I schedule an article to be released ahead of time. I had this article scheduled to be released on July 8th for a reason. I wasn’t done with it and factchecking everything.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh well, it’s a good thing for you it posted. Now you’ll spend less time fact checking ’cause we spent the time and did it for you.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. I guess so! Thanks for that!

Still, last time I schedule anything to be released on a certain date again. The system is clearly buggy.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really impressed and excited about Sutton...

Really I see him as the 3rd back..Goodson would really have to show me something to change my mind. Every time Sutton touched the ball he made a play (at least thats the way it seemed to me). The kid has speed and moves. I see him as our secret triple threat at RB. “Smash, dash and flash anyone?”……..
I wasn’t entirely impressed with Fiammetta last year..but in all fairness it was his rookie year. Not everyone can pick it up right away. With a little experience under his belt he will hopefully attempt to fill Hoovers cleats.

In Moore we trust!!!

by UNCMattyt99 on Jul 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Triple Threat, or maybe Triple Play.

stuff 'bout stuff.

by silver82blade on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I proposed Smash, Dash, and Slash pre-season last year

But that was for DLo, Stewie, and Goodson…. before Goodson caught fumbleitis.

I really do like Sutton, and hope he find his niche with the team. However, assuming Goodson has corrected his fumble issues, I think he has a lock on the 3rd RB spot. He was absolutely decimating defenses last year in the preseason, and showed a few good plays down the stretch in weeks 16 and 17. His skill set at a pure RB is better than Sutton, but the Panthers love these do-it-all guys.

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by Tater596 on Jul 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

How cool is it they we have double trouble, followed by guys with the upside

of Goodson and Sutton. Plus two bona fide fullbacks. What tremendous competition for a roster spot and playing time. I’ve posted previously that I was willing to cut Fiametta slack as a rookie. He did drop balls and missed blocks. I love how Revshawn put it, he smelt like a rookie. Still, he’s got the tools and intangibles to succeed. Just catch the friggin’ ball before trying to run with it.

I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde

by Rick Bates on Jul 1, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Sutton has earned a spot in my book ~ Goodson needs to show me something

Okay Mike Goodson needs to show me something in the preseason to even make the team this year. Goodson is still a tweener and really is more of a receiver then a RB. He has speed to burn but just doesn’t hit the hole with any sense of know what he is doing.

Sutton is a true beast and has taken of the role once held by Nick Goings for the Panthers and a John Fox type guy who does everything and never complains. At this point if the roster was picked today I believe that Goodson would be the odd-man out of the RB’s.

I would simply trade Goodson for a lower round draft pick and cut my loses however if the Panthers cannot resign D. Will after this season regardless of a lockout then losing Goodson hurts even more and further depletes the depth chart and finding RB’s like D.Will and J.Stew and very, very hard to do. Personally I don’t think D. Will , J.Stew are splitting up anytime soon regardless of contracts.

Lastly Fiammetta is the starter and yes we need to carry R. Jackson as the backup on this years team if I am the coach. Fiammetta has had injury issues in the past and we need a guy to spell him.

Personally I would dump Goodson, and keep Sutton as our #3 tailback; also keep Jackson as our #2 FB and help on special teams which is going to be a true strength of this team for the upcoming season.

More than likely however we will only carry Fiammetta and R. Jackson goes to the PS ~ Goodson remains the #3 RB/Kick returner.

Sucks b/c I am still pulling for Mr. Jackson period, just always like what I have seen of the guy when he played at Virgina.

GO PANTHERS.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 1, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Goodson will stay, at least for this year.

We did spend a fourth round pick on him.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Tony Fiammetta and Rashawn Jackson, both should have higher chances of making the roster. I’d consider Fiammetta having a great chance, not a lock though.

by NinjaRabbi on Jul 2, 2010 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha

When I started reading,I misread our second option at fullback. I thought it said Revshawn instead of Rashawn… GO PANTHERS!!

by mr.mrgarcia on Jul 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

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