A Deeper Look at Jerry Richardson's Offseason Chat
Panthers owner Jerry Richardson provided an interview last week that we fanposted and discussed briefly on this site. It seemed to offer some insight on a few topics but little else. In particular he indicated that the veteran purge was not due to the pending player lock out in 2011 and was simply due to needing to get younger players on the field more:
Were they [the veteran releases] the result of the uncertainty surrounding the CBA?
JR: We were at a point with our football team that we had to make some tough football decisions, which were separate of the CBA. As I have said, we have a number of younger players who showed promise at the end of last season and need to get on the field.
Okay fair enough I can buy that. But if that is the case then does Head Coach John Fox remain un-signed for the future? If his decisions up to the point have not been about the lack of a CBA what about Fox? Does this say that he truly intends to let Fox walk? There is no doubt Fox would not remain unemployed, in fact he could end up one of the higher paid coaches in the league. Is that what he is demanding? Would Fox deserve to be paid like one of the top 5 HC's in the NFL? I like Fox and would hate to see him leave so I'm worried he may feel slighted by the this move. If the Panthers make the playoffs like I expect this season and JR then decides he wants to re-sign him maybe he says 'forget you' and waits to see what plays out in NY and goes tot he Giants for the big money. That notion is really bothering me....more after the jump...
My concern is further bolstered by this answer:
What are your thoughts on the direction of the team?
JR: We feel recent drafts have been productive and have players for those positions where changes were made. There are no guarantees going into any season. We saw that last year when we had 21 of 22 starters returning. I think players like Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, and Jonathan Stewart, plus a good offensive line, provide a lot of opportunity on offense and Jon Beason, Thomas Davis , and Chris Gamble on defense form a good core of players to build around. There are 26 drafted players on our roster over the last four years, and some like Dan Connor will get an opportunity to play. Others, like Jon, have proven more than capable.
Ummm...John Fox has been an integral part of those 'productive drafts'. If the Panthers draft performance has been so vital to the team's success, both on the field and financially, then why would JR risk breaking up the Furney (Fox and Hurney) draft team? All I can say is he better be ready to through some big money at Fox if he waits too long to start negotiating with him.
Of course maybe he does plan to let Fox walk. Maybe JR is overall not that impressed with Fox or maybe he doesn't necessarily give Fox any credit for the draft performance. Consider this question and answer that confirms what we have all realized about signing big name Free Agents:
Can you address the offseason approach?
JR: We have never been a big player in free agency under Marty Hurney (Duh!). Many of our best free agent signings have not received much attention when we signed them. Jake Delhomme did not come with a lot of attention when he was signed. Players like Ricky Proehl, Mark Fields, Marlon McCree and Tyler Brayton came to the team with little notice, but were starters and big contributors. The years when we were big players in free agency did not seem to turn out as well. The approach has worked well over eight years and we still have the goal of a championship.
Nice to hear he stills wants to win a SB. I could never believe a guy with a loaner heart doesn't have a sense of urgency to win now but I admire the fact he isn't about to forgo his business principles in the hopes of winning now. Well, maybe it would be nice to see him go after at least one guy that would help us (Kampman would have been a nice addition). Just because the big free agent signings haven't worked exceptionally in the past (though I thought Wahle and Lucas played well for us) doesn't mean you should never go after marque players. That notion concerns me as well.
So does it sound like he's giving all the credit to Marty Hurney? I sure does to me.Moving on slightly there is one part of this next answer that I find very interesting:
What were your feelings on the release of players like Jake, Brad Hoover, and Damione Lewis?
JR: They were extremely difficult decisions. They were very good players and even better people. It is impossible not to get attached to players, particularly those who have been with the team for a long time and are good people. We will miss them. That is only natural. They were tough football decisions and were hard on Marty and John. It was the same procedure we have used over the years. A roster changes year-to-year and every six or seven there is an inevitable cycle of transition, and there is a plan for that transition, but it doesn’t make it any easier.
I'm not going to belabor the release of the veteran players but instead focus on this theory of the cycle of transition that JR says occurs every 6 or 7 years. I guess that makes sense given the average length of time a player lasts in the NFL is around 6 years. Yet for a guy or shall I say a team that tends to favor the veterans when it comes to playing time I find it surprising they have a plan for transition. Or was this just a guy just trying to cover his tracks? Meaning he's putting business decisions and financial considerations over winning? One of things I have always loved about this franchise is having a former player as owner, giving the notion that this guy is in it to win and not necessarily to make a buck. Yet JR is just as well known for being a shrewd business man. Any guy that would boot his own sons out of the organization for the betterment of the team certainly deserves the reputation of putting winning first. I think this next year as the CBA negotiations play out he will either solidify that reputation or turn it on its head.
Speaking of the CBA negotiating which JR is playing a firm and apparently very active role, he sticks to the NFL party line on the expected CBA question:
How do you feel the negotiations are going?
JR: I’ll leave any comments on that to the Commissioner. He is in the best position to gauge that and I think it is best if he speaks for the League. I can only say we are seeking a fair agreement that will be good for the players, our teams, and the fans. While I cannot predict the course of collective bargaining, I do know that we will have a new agreement, hopefully before the 2011 season.
Nice to hear he is confident that an agreement will be reached but I couldn't help but notice the 'hopefully before the 2011 season' remark. Trust me, I'll be shocked if this gets done in less than a year from now.
New topic (one very played out) but one I couldn't pass up:
What were your feelings seeing Julius Peppers leave the organization?
JR: I think Julius was a great player for the Carolina Panthers and was sorry that things did not work out for the long term, but that was the case and we wish him the best. He always handled himself well as a Panther and will have a significant place in our history. As Marty said, we were aggressive in trying to get a long term deal and it did not work out.
The fact JR says the Panthers were aggressive in getting Peppers to stay gives me final confirmation Peppers simply just wanted to leave. I will laugh my ass off this season if Alex Brown pusts up more sacks than Peppers. Won't the Bears fans be howling about that!
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Everything that the front office says must be taken with a grain of salt
Of course the CBA is a factor in the “transition.” Almost every team is playing the low-ball game right now, because when the deal is done, teams will have to abide by it. As a result, many teams have superstars that are missing OTAs and threatening to hold out (I’m not sure if it’s more than the usual number, or if I’m just noticing it more).
As for Fox, I can’t blame JR for wanting to see some better decision making this year; like a tough training camp that leads to a decent start. Also, week-to-week personnel decisions need to be evaluated. Fox kept Delhomme in for way too long last year, and it cost us a playoff bid. If Fox gets us back to the playoffs, I think JR will make him a solid offer. But if the Giant job is open, I do expect Fox to leave.
I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde
I echo your concern about John Fox.
I’m really not buying the ‘we don’t want to pay him for a season that might not happen’ notion.
I can buy that with the players, you sign one and all need deals… but really, for an organization the size of the Panthers what’s $6-10 million at this point? Especially for your coach.
It makes me wonder if there isn’t some master plan we’re not privy to. Richardson has his finger on the pulse better than 90% of the owners around the league. Maybe he knows an HC that may come available who he’s been wanting for a long time, maybe all the wild rumors are true and Bill Cowher wants to return to coach the Panthers (I hope not), maybe Tony Dungy wants to coach again but we really have no idea.
The feeling I get from reading Darin Gantt, from reading Steve Reed and others is that the organization likes John Fox, but not for the money that his agent apparently wants for him. That’s not to say they wont spend $12 million on a coach, but it makes me wonder if they don’t think John Fox is worth $12 million.
The Panthers have been stable and predicable based on their instability and unpredictability (if that makes sense). We’ve all seen patterns emerge of good seasons every other year, and maybe the organization are afraid they have the next Jeff Fisher on their hands; a coach who’s been with the team 16 years and put up similar results to Fox.
Personally, I would hate to see John Fox leave because I think he’s become synonymous with the football culture in Carolina. But, I don’t write the checks, I have no power… so all I can do is strap myself in and see where this ride takes us.
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+1
I am getting curious though…what if Hurney is the one I love and not Fox (no homo)? I’m not sure who to blame for this and who to praise for that all the time. So I don’t want anything disturbed. I like where we are going right now. I love what Meeks is doing. Davidson has 1 more chance in my book, but only because I don’t want to risk an adjustment period. And I like our positional coaches a lot. And if Fox goes then all of this could go along with Double Trouble. I don’t want any of that.
But like you said James we are just along for the ride.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on Jun 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love your point about "if you sign one, you have to sign them all" in reference to the players
However I think you have to apply it to the coach as well. It puts everyone in the same boat; this makes a statement that the FO treats everyone equally while promoting team unity. I, much like almost everyone, hope it doesn’t backfire on JR by sowing seeds of discontent.
I see what you're saying
But if you sign the coach you have a built in justifcation “Well, you still need to scout and evaluate talent even during a lockout”. Also, a coaches salary doesn’t count towards the cap- so with the players you can say “We’re just waiting to see how the cap shakes out”
If you go and give DeAngelo Williams an extension you’re opening the door for Ryan Kalil, Thomas Davis, Richard Marshall etc. to cry foul and wonder where their deals are too.
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Understood
…but I still think it gives the team (including the coach) the concept of, “we’ll do this in spite of the FO.” I just think it would send a bad message to the players if the coach received a fat contract (regardless of the fact they wouldn’t take a cap hit) while they had to wait. Yes, it’s justifiable from a monetary standpoint to resign him, but it’s also justifiable not to do so as well, considering the likelihood that JR will make little to no money in 2011.
It would just be harder to play for your coach, I think, when you know he’s getting considerations you aren’t.
I agree, it would be tough to see Fox leave
I’m not sure that JR would go after a ‘big-name’ coach. It would probably be some guy that was a position coach, or some other surprise candidate that none of us would see coming. My biggest fear is that some guy comes in and tries to change the philosophy to a spread attack and a 3-4 defense…two philosophies we are not at all equipped for.
Do or do not. There is no try.
by ERL on Jun 7, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Meeks?
Is it possible that Meeks was hired from Indy and promised he would get first crack at the Head Coach position here? He left because he was wasn’t selected as the HC in Indy.
If that is true, it would explain JR’s ease with letting Fox go if the price is too high. Meeks certainly has changed the defense and made a difference. (Just like John Fox as the Defensive Coordinator with the NYG)
If that’s the case, it would certainly explain JR’s relaxed negotiations with Fox, if there even are any….. He has a backup already under contract. That is if Cowher or Schottenheimer aren’t in the picture. And don’t forget the rumor of JR meeting with Jon Gruden a year ago.
All indications from the beat writers is that Jeff Davidson would get first crack
At times we have issues with our OC, but there is a strong sentiment around the league that the Panthers snapped up Davidson specifically so they could have an HC in the pipeline should the need arise; yes, Davidson is that highly regarded.
Along with Jason Garrett (Dallas OC), Steve Spagnuolo (Now with the Rams), Brian Shottenheimer (Jets OC) and Josh McDaniels (Now with Denver) Davidson was in that top tier of co-ordinators who people believed could be coaches.
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I hope it works in Davidson's favor for one simple reason:
I think it would be easier to replace him as OC than Meeks as DC.
Gruden could step right in
and take us to the Championship, using the team built by Furney. After all, he’s done it before with a lot less.
That’s a bit facetious, but it is the prevailing “knock” against Gruden. Personally, I like Gruden as a possibility here. He’s definitely intense and knowledgeable. Not entirely sold on him as a personnel guy, though. Maybe we hire Gruden and keep Hurney. Then, we’d have Gurney.
I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde
Here are some different interpretations of some of his answers.
Were they [the veteran releases] the result of the uncertainty surrounding the CBA?
JR: We were at a point with our football team that we had to make some tough football decisions, which were separate of the CBA.
Refers specifically to Jake Delhomme Fox or Hurney said a month or so ago that Jake was released so there would be no anamosity in the locker room when he is no longer the starter.
As I have said, we have a number of younger players who showed promise at the end of last season and need to get on the field.Refers to the reason the others were let go. Peppers wore out his welcome here, and you can put him into either catagory.
What are your thoughts on the direction of the team?
JR: We feel recent drafts have been productive
That didn’t read, “We feel recent drafts, who were exclusively the work of Marty Hurney, have been productive…” I don’t see any reason to assume by that statement that it was a knock on John Fox.
Can you address the offseason approach?
JR: We have never been a big player in free agency under Marty Hurney (Duh!). Many of our best free agent signings have not received much attention when we signed them. Jake Delhomme did not come with a lot of attention when he was signed. Players like Ricky Proehl, Mark Fields, Marlon McCree and Tyler Brayton came to the team with little notice, but were starters and big contributors, and John Fox didn’t want any of them. The years when we were big players in free agency did not seem to turn out as well, and John Fox wanted us to get Albert Haynesworth. The approach has worked well over eight years and we still have the goal of a championship.
If that stuff I added in bold was in the statement, then yes, he was giving the credit to Hurney alone, but it’s ultimately the GM who makes the decision on player personnel, unless you work in Dallas, then it’s Jerry Jones. So, not mentioning Fox isn’t a big deal to me in that response.
The head coach is an integral part of any football organization. One of two things have happened in my opinion. Either JR has put Fox in the know and told him once the CBA is complete he will get his extension, or JR is playing things close to the vest and Fox has one more year.
And I’ve got a monster hangover so I hope this made sense.
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And great article Jaxon, never thought about things from that perspective.
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Speaking of Delhomme
In a previous article most of us seemed to agree that Jake’s woes the last 2 years were due to his accuracy.
Well NFLN just replayed the 2005 ProBowl QB Challenge, and Jake Delhomme won the accuracy competition, beating out even Drew Brees. He looked very accurate in all the drills, and also threw the 2nd longest in the distance drill at 71 yards.
Of course the following season he helped Smitty win the triple crown. I gave all the credit to Smitty that year, but this made it look like Jake was a huge part of it.
And of course the following year in 2006 is when the elbow started bothering him, and it’s all down hill from there. Food for thought.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on Jun 6, 2010 11:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Prior to 2008 Jake was very accurate
and I bet he regains that with Cleveland, at least for a bit. I think he just got into a bad habit of forcing the ball last season.
I agree totally
Jake could never give up on a play and this was both to his credit, and is downfall.
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I think the surgery affected him
And the mental frustration compounded it. Because the 08’ 09’ highlights clearly show the deep ball sailing on him at times, and receivers completely out of stride trying to get to it. Maybe a 08’-09’ vs. 03’-05’ highlight comparison could verify or debunk this idea.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I've tried to find one.
Sadly, all the compilation videos become propaganda pieces. It’s tough to really evaluate 08-09 Jake when the intention of the video is to just show all his mistakes.
I believe the Tommy John surgery gave him more power than he was used to in his arm, couple this with Rip Scherer trying to change his mechanics, and a crisis of confidence as it was destined for failure.
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YouTube is a fairly recent phenomenon
Don’t understand why anyone try to teach an old dog new tricks though. Moron. But I’ll be pulling for Jake this year, except with the comfort of not really caring if his team loses.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on Jun 7, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jake won the whole competition by the way
And when they announced him the winner, he rounded up all the QBs in a huddle, put their hands in the middle and said “Panther pride on 3”. Ha! They all dropped out and laughed… Classic!
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by ElBacano on Jun 7, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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