Jimmy Clausen Holdout: A Real Possibility?
by bmoyer on Jun 24, 2010 4:00 AM EDT
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PrintLeading up to the NFL draft, almost everyone had Jimmy Clausen pegged as a first round draft pick. Many believed he would get his name called in the top 10. Very few (if anybody) predicted Clausen would fall out of the first round or get leapfrogged by Tim Tebow. If Clausen kept hearing for months leading up to the draft that he should be selected in the first round, did he also start to believe he'd be signing an eight figure contract? If the Panthers "lowball" him slightly, will he be prepared to sit out until he gets paid what he perceives he deserves?
There aren't a lot of people out there (besides Josh McDaniels) that think Tim Tebow is a better NFL prospect than Jimmy Clausen. Tebow's mechanics aren't NFL ready, and except for a small group of packages, Tebow will be on the sideline holding a clipboard for all of 2010. But as the 25th overall pick, Tebow will be making about $14.5 million with over $8 million guaranteed. The contract situation will only get worse for Clausen if rumors start circulating that he is legitimately pushing Matt Moore for the #1 spot. If he realistically thinks he will see considerable action as a rookie, it will only help his case for bigger contract.
Here are just a few examples of the multitude of mock drafts:
Sam Bradford, Ndamukong Suh lead first-round picks in final mock draft - (LATimes.com)
7. Cleveland: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame — Clausen is going to go around this point in the draft, whether it's to the Browns or to a team that trades up to get him.
Mock draft 3.0: After QB Sam Bradford, anything is possible - (USATODAY.com)
7 Cleveland Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
Rick Gosselin's Second Mock Draft: Dez Bryant to Cowboys. (DallasNews.com)
4. Washington Redskins: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame Donovan McNabb is Mike Shanahan's short-term solution
The real question is, does Clausen (and/or his agent) believe he should have been a first round pick? If he (or they) believe it badly enough, is Clausen willing to hold out for a bigger contract than the 48th overall slot allows for? Darin Gantt said he came out of the gate with some of those diva qualities, but lately he's been trying to downplay them.
In case you didn't know, it's been widely documented that there is a slotting system for NFL rookie contracts. For the purpose of this article, I won't go into great detail about why this system exists or its pros and cons. I am trying to work within the slotting system to project a slotted contract for the top three Panthers picks and explain why there is a possibility that any of these three could end up holding out (particularly Clausen and I will show you why). Also I don't know if these figures are accurate to the penny, but they will work fine for the purpose of this article.
More after the jump.
Clausen's agent, Gary Wichard (of Pro Tect Management) is know for his blockbuster, record-setting contracts. He has been known in at least two instances to advise his client to holdout for a bigger contract, but he's no Eugene Parker. Here are some of the players that signed record contracts with Wichard as their agent: Darren Sproles recently received a 6.6 million dollar fanchise tag. Oakland's DL Tommy Kelly signed a record 7 year, $50.4 million contract in February of 2008. Terrell Suggs signed a 6 year, $63 million contract in July of 2009. Dwight Freeney signed a 6 year, $72 million dollar contract in July of 2007. Freeney was the highest paid defensive player at the time (before Albert Haynesworth). The only two main examples of him advising one of his clients to hold out were:
Terrell Suggs ends holdout, rejoins Ravens - (USATODAY.com)
Baltimore Ravens outside linebacker Terrell Suggs reported Monday and began practicing after signing his $8.47 million, one-year tender. On the advice of his agent, the Ravens' franchise player skipped training camp to protest the restrictive nature of the franchise tag... "It was the business side of it. I really didn't want to do it because I love football and running around," Suggs said in explaining his 23-day absence. "It was really no big deal. It gave me extended time to further prepare myself for the season."
and
Show him the money. (Yahoo.com)
Bunkley, Philadelphia: Wichard made the best of a very bad situation. Beyond the fact that the Eagles wouldn't budge on a six-year deal, the player selected directly in front of Bunkley, Cleveland Browns linebacker Kamerion Wimbley, signed the worst deal of the first round (more on that later). The result was a holdout that finally allowed Bunkley to get more guaranteed money than Wimbley ($9.5 million vs. $8.67 million), better cash flow over the first four years of the deal than either Wimbley or No. 12 pick Haloti Ngata of the Baltimore Ravens, and nearly $3 million more in expected earnings compared to Wimbley. Beyond that, Bunkley can have his 2011 base pay increased to whatever the franchise tag is for defensive tackles.
OK, now to the contracts. These are all four year contracts. All salary figures are courtesy of rotoworld.com. Here's the data:
124th Overall Pick
2008 - Justin Tryon - Washington - $2.134 million contract including a $429,000 signing bonus
2009 - Louis Murphy - Oakland - $2.198 million contract including a $448,000 signing bonus
2010 - Eric Norwood - Carolina - $2.240 million contract including a $458,400 signing bonus (NationalFootballPost.com)
2009 contract increased by 3.0%, signing bonus by 4.4%. 2010 contract increased by 1.9%, signing bonus by 2.3%
Hopefully this isn't an indication of the Panthers' 2010 spending habits for rookies. By all accounts (you will see why later), his contract and bonus should have been about 1% higher.
89th Overall Pick
2008 - Steve Slaton - Houston - $2.370 million contract including a $664,500 signing bonus
2009 - Jared Cook - Tennessee - $2.450 million contract including a $700,000 signing bonus
2010 - Armanti Edwards - Carolina - $2.533 million contract including a $737,100 signing bonus (projected)
2009 contract increased by 3.4%, signing bonus by 5.3%.
78th Overall Pick
2008 - Shawn Crable - New England - $2.466 million contract including a $760,500 signing bonus
2009 - Louis Vasquez - San Diego - $2.550 million contract including an $800,000 signing bonus
2010 - Brandon LaFell - Carolina - $2.637 million contract including an $841,600 signing bonus (projected)
2009 contract increased by 3.4%, signing bonus by 5.2%
67th Overall Pick (Highest pick in 2010 signed to a contract so far)
2009 - Alex Magee - Kansas City - $2.645 million contract including $895,000 guaranteed.
2010 - Myron Lewis - Tampa Bay - $2.721 million contract including $930,000 guaranteed.
2010 contract increased by 2.9%, guaranteed amount by 3.9%.
44th overall pick (closest QB to 48th in 2009 draft class)
2008 - Matt Forte - Chicago Bears - $3.781 million contract including $2.000 million guaranteed
2009 - Pat White - Miami Dolphins - $4.500 million contract including $2.4000 million guaranteed.
2009 contract increased by 19%, guaranteed amount by 20%,
48th overall pick
2008 - Fred Davis - Washington Redskins - $3.505 million contract including a $1.8 million guaranteed
2009 - Darcel McBath - Denver Broncos - $3.85 million contract including $2.01 million guaranteed
2010 - Jimmy Clausen - Carolina Panthers - $4.227 million contract including $2.245 million guaranteed (projected using Darcel McBath's percentage increases)
2010 - Jimmy Clausen - Carolina Panthers - $4.582 million contract including $2.412 million guaranteed (projected using Pat White's percentage increases)
2009 contract increased by 9.8%, guaranteed amount by 11.7%
Jimmy Clausen's slotted contract should be between $4.227-$4.582 million with between $2.245-$2.412 million guaranteed.
Here's a list of quarterbacks and their rookie contracts for reference:
1 Overall - 2009 - Matt Stafford - 6 years, $72 million, $41.7 million guaranteed.
1 Overall - 2007 - JaMarcus Russell - 6 years, $61 million, $31.5 million guaranteed. (held out into 1st week of regular season)
3 Overall - 2008 - Matt Ryan - 6 years, $72 million, $27.3 million guaranteed.
5 Overall - 2009 - Mark Sanchez - 5 years, $60 million, $28 million guaranteed.
17 Overall - 2009 - Josh Freeman - 5 years, $36 million, $10.245 million guaranteed.
18 Overall - 2008 - Joe Flacco - 5 years, $30 million, $8.75 million guaranteed.
22 Overall - 2007 - Brady Quinn - 5 years, $20.2 million, $7.5 million guaranteed.
36 Overall - 2007 - Kevin Kolb - 4 years, $4.32 million, $2.62 million guaranteed.
40 Overall - 2007 - John Beck (MIA) - 4 years, $4.5 million, $3.25 million guaranteed.
44 Overall - 2009 - Pat White - 4 years, $4.5 million, $2.5 million guaranteed.
57 Overall - 2008 - Brian Brohm - Undisclosed
58 Overall - 2008 - Chad Henne - 4 year, $3.5 milion, $1.5 million guaranteed.
A lot of fans and media personalities have a tendency to bash players for holding out saying they're being selfish, but in some cases it's the player's only leverage to say hey, I'm worth more than what you are offering, and you need to compensate me correctly if you want me to be play for your team. So here's the million dollar question. Do you think Clausen will hold out in 2010, and if so, for how long?
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It'd be a bad career move to hold out and I don't think he'll do it.
From what I can tell, Clausen is a driven individual that is confident in his abilities. He will give himself the greatest chance possible of winning the starting QB job straight out of training camp. That means turning up on time. If he holds out for an extra $1m or so he’ll be riding the pine all season.
He’ll also know his best chance of signing a monster deal in the future is if he wins the starting job in Carolina early and performs well. As a franchise that has been crying out for a franchise QB I’m sure we’d renegotiate his rookie deal if he proved to be the real thing.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I agree it would be detrimental to him & the team.
I hope it doesn’t happen. The reality is that it could though.
There's no way
You can get away with it if you’re a first rounder maybe, but there’s no way a guy taken in the middle of the second round can get away with a diva act. It just won’t happen.
The whole point is that he was suppose to be a first rounder
If he didn’t slide, then he wouldn’t have a reason to hold out. It just depends on if he thinks he should get paid where he was drafted, or where the Panthers valued him.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on Jun 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe there are two factors to a rookie holdout:
1) The team thinks they can offer the player less money than is appropriate for where they were drafted.
2) The player has an agent who doesn’t understand how to negotiate an NFL rookie contract.
If one of these two things occur then you have a holdout situation.
So now, you can apply the about two to recent holdouts:
- Michael Crabtree: #1 applies. The 49ers were lowballing him, and they knew it. They raised the contract and he signed.
- Andre Smith: #2 applies. Agent Rick Smith, who also represents Jake Delhomme had never brokered an NFL rookie contract of Smith’s magnitude.
- Jamarcus Russell: #1 and #2 applies. The Raiders wanted to lowball Russell and his agent Eric Metz had never worked on a deal like that. It was doomed from the start.
Now we look at Clausen:
1. The Panthers aren’t known to be stubborn in negotiations with rookies.
2. This isn’t Gary Wichard’s first rodeo. Is he known for blockbuster deals? Absolutely… but he knows the NFL inside and out. He’s one of those agents like Drew Rosenhaus who understands the league, so a fair deal is more likely.
Finally, and it is a factor, is how wealthy the Clausen family are. They’re not so cash strapped as some NFL player’s families that their rookie contract will need to support everyone in their immediate family. This allows Clausen to garner a deal with less guaranteed money and more incentive based money. Seems to me that a guy like Clausen who does have confidence in his abilities and a healthy ego would actually enjoy the idea of earning more incentive based money.
Ultimately, it comes down to how important is it to the Panthers to have Clausen in camp and how important it is to Clausen to get his NFL career off to the right start. The latter needs it more than the former, so I think there wont be any headaches.
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I would add
Quarterbacks enjoy very long careers. If he gets off to a good start, he’ll get his payday, and it will be huge. If he doesn’t, it may never come.
Just occurred to me ...
that from a negotiating standpoint, it’s probably not the best thing for the GM to be publicly described as “giddy” at getting Clausen so late. LOL
I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde
Yeah that's not going to hurt the negotiations in the slightest.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
OldhamA, just noticed your sig. Great quote from a great movie.
Blondie, you’ know what are. Just a filthy son of a WAAAAAAAA, wa, wa, wa.
I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde
Moore's the starter
As OldhamA pointed out, if Clausen isn’t around to challenge for that spot, it hurts him way more than it hurts the team. I think it would be a very foolish move on his part, and from all accounts I’ve come across, he seems to have his head on straight. I don’t expect him to miss a second of training camp.
Provided Moore plays well
If he plays great all season then the Panthers could sit tight while Claussen files for unemployment. But if Moore lays an egg or gets injured the Panters will be in a very bad situation… Especially with Claussen not having participated since OTAs
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by southtunnel on Jun 24, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What about Cantwell
Still #2 on the chart or have we forgotten?
If Cantwell starts our season is over.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I have to agree
Cantwell is a place holder until the rookies get up to speed.
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by southtunnel on Jun 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HUH?
ST Clausen was at the OTA’s you mean TC?
“not participating SINCE OTAs”
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by southtunnel on Jun 25, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very informative post - I rec'd it.
I think Clausen has little or no leverage, with Moore the starter – he’ll agree to a reasonable deal, somewhere along the lines you indicated were fair.
He already has a reputation as being egocentric. He’s worked hard so far to dispel that. I don’t possibly see him reaffirming it by holding out. QBs are supposed to be leaders. The team needs to respect him. I think it would hurt the team’s opinion of him if he did that, with his history and all. Beason could get away with it ‘cause he was a first round pick and didn’t have a history. It’s a totally different thing with Clausen.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Beason's was only 8 days too, with Drew Rosenhaus as his agent
Like I said before, no history of having issues signing picks. He’ll be in camp.
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Agreed
He is working to dispel the notion that he is a diva and egocentric. If he holds out, he will be hurting his chances to make an impact this season, hurting his image in the locker room, and more importantly to him in the long run, his image around the league… which could affect his opportunities.
Will he hold out? No. I expect that Clausen, LaFell, and Edwards will all be in TC on time.
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ominous season of 2011
should be on his mind. Clausen was drafted by a team who rewards its star players. But he has to keep in mind no owner wants to pay large sums of money to guys who may or may not play for next season.
However, Clausen should work for a contract that has heavy escalators if he becomes the starter.
"I kinda just sling it" -Jake
He shouldn't hold out, but I can envision a scenario...
similar to Quinn and Leinart, both of whom foolishly held out over escalators. I know, they were first round picks, but that may not matter for Clausen and his agent. Matt Moore as the practically inked in starter provides some leverage, but it may not be enough. The leverage is weakened by Moore becoming a free agent after this year. Clausen is rightfully envisioning becoming the starter sooner or later. So, I hope the Panthers make a fair salary and signing bonus offer, with strong escalators if he becomes the starter. If they’re willing to do that, the kid should show up.
I can resist everything except temptation. - Oscar Wilde
I think that is what will happen.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 25, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If Clausen wants to a chance to start this year at all
he needs to be at camp and preseason.
by SouthernPanther on Jun 24, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
If he wants a chance to play at all
I can’t see Fox playing a rookie QB for any reason if he wasn’t in camp or preseason.
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by southtunnel on Jun 24, 2010 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This could be very revealing of Claussen's character
His bad boy personality is under debate. I say if he holds out then it could be a sign he’s the cocky prick that some suggest, and maybe we should think twice about our potential future QB.
But if he gets a reasonable deal done before missing valuable time, then it could be a sign that football is what’s most important to him.
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by southtunnel on Jun 24, 2010 2:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Any other year I would agree that it could be an indicator
However, thus far we’ve seen the front office be very, very stingy with money and you rarely hear about the unaccepted offers in a holdout situation. If the Panthers severely low ball him then it could indicate just that, and not those character issues.
Only time will tell, these are all hypotheticals.
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Why would they low ball him?
They’ve been pretty snappy about getting 4th-7th rounders signed. I doubt they’ll get to Claussen and all the sudden start low balling.
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Big difference in the money between a 4th-7th rounder and a 2nd rounder
Norwood’s deal is 4 years, $2.25 million… that’s almost no financial risk.
You’ll be looking around double that for Jimmy Clausen, more if they want to get a 5 or 6 year deal out of it.
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Maybe we should define "low ball"?
And no pun intended, you sickos!
I’m sure like any negotiations these things go back and forth. I’m saying low ball meaning they go low and are unwilling to budge. Norwood’s deal doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have gone higher.
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To me 'lowball' refers to any offer which is significantly lower than what is considered to be 'average' or 'acceptable'
There are some players or agents who are willing to take a lowball offer due to ignorance, or another reason then there are players and agents who wont even entertain said deals.
Judging by what we know about Clausen’s agent I think a lowball offer would result in protracted negotiations which could result in a holdout
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So then you don't think Norwood's offer was acceptable?
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The "range" for a slotted rookie offer is:
being between the picks in front of and behind him, even if it’s by $1.00. Norwood’s contract was less than 2% bigger than the 2009 pick in the same slot. That’s on the low side. I would have expected something like $2.264 mil with $478,570. So I believe he was “lowballed” by about $64,000 ($20,000 guaranteed). That’s about $16,000 a year for those keeping track – not exactly chump change for a rookie drafted 124th overall. I think if they did the exact same thing to Clausen and then stood their ground that’s what would trigger a holdout.
If that kind of money is considered "low balling"...
I guess I’m gettin’ low balled every day that I go to work… Or more like just getting kicked in the balls? haha.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
You'd think in this economy the contracts would be going down, not up.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Last year and next year don't matter
A raise at all is a surprise anyway, considering the climate in the NFL front offices.
Norwood was pick 124 and got 4 years, 2.248 million with a 458K signing bonus.
Pick 125 got 4 years, 2.42 million, 452K signing bonus.
123 hasn’t signed yet.
122 got 4 years, 2.56 million, and a 467K signing bonus.
Norwood wasn’t lowballed, he was paid quite appropriately given his draft position.
16K difference is not that big of a deal to me
And obviously not to Norwood either.
But Claussen is all together different because he was at once touted as the first overall pick. We are talking astronomically huge difference in pay now that he slipped. That has to rub him more so than a guy like Norwood.
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by southtunnel on Jun 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was acceptable to Norwood, that's all that matters
Personally, I think it was low (see everything bmoyer says above)
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by James Dator on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he was lowballed
Maybe it was slightly low, but nothing unusual or low enough to sit out of TC over (see everything Cyberjag said)
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by southtunnel on Jun 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Everything is in degrees though
When was the last time you heard of a 4th rounder holding out? They don’t because a mid rounder is little to no impact if they don’t show up, the team hold all the power.
The threat is much greater of a 2nd rounder wanting $500k of $1M more because they realize they’re part of a team’s future plans, therefore there is more pull both ways.
There’s no indication it will happen, but if the Panthers think they’ll get Clausen for less, or right at what former 2nd round QBs have gotten I think they’ll be mistaken.
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I'm sure they try to start negotiations low
Maybe Norwood just signed too quick?
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Probably did
I think the point being made is that Clausen maybe less likely to accept an offer that is low. That said, based on his agent’s reputation, I would reckon they would be looking negotiate but avoid a holdout. Suffice, to say in Clausen’s case, something like $30K a year may not be enough to result in a holdout. If it was more than 50K a year then perhaps a holdout would becomes more probable.
It all depends on if he thinks he is 1st round value
It would be another Crabtree scenario. Let’s hope not.
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by southtunnel on Jun 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crabtree
He was #10 overall. They ended up getting his contract done by giving him just barely less in guaranteed money than the #9 pick and ridiculously high inscentives. I’d have to search for a breakdown of what was included, but to hit all his escalators he has to seriously do something like play in 2 pro bowls his first 3 years and play in 2 super bowls in 4 years. It was a way for the franchise and player to both save face at that point. He basically got paid as #9 overall instead of #10, but the total possible amount was high enough to make headlines sound like crabtree was getting paid as #7 pick where he thought he should have been picked.
Esta loco!
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Just a hypothetical...
OK, let’s say that Matt Moore plays well, and plays every down for the Panthers in 2010. Say he signs a three year deal, and obviously would be the understood starter coming back for 2011 and beyond.
How long until Clausen starts making noise?
Do or do not. There is no try.
I think he'd last 2 seasons
I don’t see Clausen to be the kind to have Aaron Rodgers like patience.
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Except the talent level is reversed in this case.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jun 24, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I say we sign him to a 3 or 4 year deal
Hype him up in the media and showcase him in the pre-season. Then if Moore performs well as the starter for 2 years we trade Claussen.
Claussen’s the shiny new toy now… But it will be hard for him to make noise if Moore is running away with the show. He’ll be out of the spot light in that scenario.
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he won't play
clausen is gonna holdout. this whole concept of him knowing the offense is overhyped. the truth is he really thought he was a top 5 value, and will try to pull a michael crabtree. but he has no leverage because he won’t start. it’s possible that moore won’t continue to play as well as he has in his previous eight starts, but do you really expect him to have a jake delhomme/derek anderson dropoff? if he can keep his qb rating at 85 or better, then moore will keep his job. i think moore makes it to the pro bowl this year, and clausen can’t get on the field. moore, smitty, d-will, kalil, gross and otah go to the pro bowl but don’t play cuz we go to the superbowl. j-stew will be an alternate to the pro bowl, too.
your scenario...
…may be just a little overly optimistic of all the players mentioned (and the Super Bowl prediction)…except Clausen, of whom you seem to have a low opinion.
Moore making it to the Pro-Bowl with an 85 rating is a stretch. We won’t have 2 backs named to the Pro Bowl, as they will steal just enough yards from one another to keep either from having a Pro Bowl year…other than one as an alternate. Smitty might make it as an alternate, but with Fitzgerald, one of the WR’s from the Packers (Aaron Rodgers is going to make ‘em look GOOD), and likely one from the Cowboys, Roddy White, etc, I don’t see Smith starting. Kalil is a good bet, Gross is an outside shot, and Otah just isn’t well-rounded enough yet, IMO.
I like the optimism…I just want you to temper it a little so you’re not overly disappointed. I feel like our best shot at a good year will be more a total team effort and less about stand-out performances.
Smith will have 2000 yards. Double Trouble will combine for 3000 yards. Norwood will have 20 sacks. Our whole offensive line will make the Pro Bowl. Kasay will take back the record for most field goals in a season. We’ll go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl by 60, at least. But, most importantly of all, Steve Smith is in another Bojangles commercial. BOOM! There it is.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jun 25, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well of course...
…I retract my previous statement. :-D
WTF?
Head-Case. Your only credible supporter was fired. Do you really think this guy is as NFL ready as Aaron Rodgers, who went thru the same ordeal? He needs to shut-up and get to camp.
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