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Armanti Exchange: why he'll be a better WR because he WASN'T one in college

Happy Tuesday Panther fans! Today is a good day because all the early mini-camp reports are in, and we have no shortage of ways to read about our rookies and how they looked in their first professional practices. All the local papers, and even the national sports media, are swimming with observation and analysis of our youngest players. After all... a veteran is a veteran. For the most part, we know what we are going to get out of them, but a rookie... well, the journey has just begun.

One of the most talked about rookies in Charlotte is WR Armanti Edwards out of Appalachian State. The all-star QB at the FCS level who is being asked to completely change positions and make a move to WR in the pros. Something that is pretty difficult to do if you haven't played receiver since your high school days. We are surely looking at a lengthy development process while Edwards learns the tricks of being a WR in the pro game, while other rookie WRs Brandon LaFell and David Gettis have a leg up.

... Or are we? More after the jump...

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One thing is certain. The WR position is one of the hardest transitions from college to professional in the game. You are lucky to see production from a second year wideout, but most aren't expected to really "break out" until their third season in the league. This is because in college, WRs have become used to simply being faster than the guy across from them, or just physically outmatching them. It is the equivalent of playing keep-away against your little brother. You can just ask for the pass to be delivered high and using your advantage in size or speed you will be able to get it. Players who are drafted to be NFL receivers, even late round picks, are the cream of the crop when it comes to college WRs, and chances are they spent their college career against DBs who may never stand on an NFL field with rare exception.

The above scenario forms bad habits. Players get used to simply getting by on athleticism alone and do not usually develop good techniques in route running, selling their moves, or learning to come back to a ball and pluck it at its highest point. These habits are hard to break, and are something professional WR coaches struggle to purge from a players memory so that they can teach them the skills to succeed against DBs in the NFL, who they can't just beat on athleticism alone.

This is where a player like Armanti has a huge advantage. In fact, I would wager that our WR coach Tyke Tolbert is THRILLED that Armanti is coming in with an clean slate, so that he can teach him EXACTLY how to play WR at the professional level from day one, without having to worry about breaking old bad habits. He also doesn't have to worry that once he teaches him the pro game, that old habits will resurface, and remedial coaching will be necessary.

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Just think about it. Tyke Tolbert has just been given a pure athlete who runs a 4.40 in the 40 yard dash, has big and soft hands, a great work ethic, and the humility to accept everything he (Tyke) teaches without hearing "well that isn't how I did it in college." He can mold Armanti into EXACTLY the wide receiver he has always wanted. A dangerous prospect when we are talking about a guy with the potential to be "the next Steve Smith".

Early reports out of camp are VERY encouraging.

From the Gaston Gazette, regarding Armanti as a "Raw prospect":

Rookie Armanti Edwards has never run a route, caught a pass or turned a catch into a game-changing touchdown in a college football game, much less at the NFL level.

And that’s just fine with his new Panthers wide receivers coach Tyke Tolbert.

He views the fact that Edwards has never played the position before as a positive rather than a negative.

"He comes here and he has no bad habits," said Tolbert. "The stuff that I’m teaching him, well, it’s his first time learning it so that’s a good thing."

Later in the article, they touch on his hands and natural ability:

On Saturday, during one-on-one drills against cornerbacks, Edwards cut inside on a slant and reached behind his back to snare a pass from Tony Pike with one hand and barely broke his stride as he headed up the field.

"His hands are great," Tolbert said. "If you think about it, most quarterbacks are good athletes and have good hands because they touch the ball on every play. He has really good hands. His route technique is getting better, but he has no bad habits and what I’m teaching him he’s learning for the first time. He’s getting it. He’s definitely getting it."

From the Charlotte Observer:

Have you watched Edwards? He has the gift that Carolina’s Steve Smith has. These guys could be asleep, a nasty tackle diving at their ribs in the dark, and they’d subconsciously roll 2 inches and make him miss.

I’m not comparing Edwards, 22, to Smith, 30. I’m telling you simply that there will come a time when Smith no longer is the team’s lone threat to go deep.

Edwards did not run all his routes perfectly on the first practice of mini-camp Friday morning. He says this.

What he doesn’t say is that he caught every pass thrown his way, including a deep ball he snatched out of the air with an over-the-shoulder catch.

"From a quarterback to a receiver it might not be as hard as people think," Smith says. "The quarterback has the responsibility to know where everybody is on the field….(Edwards) doesn’t have as many tasks as a receiver."

Pat Yasinkas at ESPN.com has this to say:

I came away really impressed by what I saw out of Armanti Edwards, the rookie out of Appalachian State. He played quarterback in college, but the Panthers are going to use him as a receiver and a punt returner. This kid is pretty dynamic and can be an instant factor in the slot. Fox and coordinator Jeff Davidson haven’t used a slot receiver much in recent years. Might be time to change that and there could be other ways designed to get Edwards some touches. In fact, this kid could turn out to be what some people thought Tim Tebow could be. Plus, I think Edwards’ throwing motion might be better than Tebow’s.

 

As noted in some of the above articles, the knowledge that Armanti does come armed with from college will really help his transition. Being a QB in college gives him a major advantage over his rookie WR brethren in that he can be out there running routes, and at any given time he will know where the QB wants to throw the ball. He has already learned to find holes in zone coverage, and the mechanics involved in throwing hitches, curls, slants, and other timing based routes will come naturally since he has that experience being the one throwing them. Indeed this ability to think like a quarterback while running like a wide receiver is an intangible that not many prospects possess.

So while LaFell and Gettis (in particular) are busy breaking bad habits, unlearning everything that they were doing wrong in college in favor of the correct way in the pros, Armanti will be doing it right everytime because hey... he doesn't know any better. With that advantage he will be able to spend time learning the finer points of being a WR, such as run blocking, route running, and breaking the jam at the LOS, areas where a college WR will have an advantage over a converted one.

That said, I have this image of Tyke Tolbert in an underground lab somewhere, sinisterly rubbing his hands together as he stands over an unconscious Armanti, who is hooked up to all kinds of wires and tubes. The mad scientist at play, creating his perfect receiver prospect, yelling... "IT'S ALIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

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While time will only tell exactly how well this advantage serves Armanti, one thing is for sure... I have not been this excited about a rookie... ever. Yes, of course part of it is because I am an App State fan. But I was not nearly this excited when Dexter Jackson was selected in the 2nd round by Tampa Bay then picked up by the Panthers. Sure, I thought D-Jax was good enough, and was fun to watch, but he has never had the field presence that Armanti does. Which is funny, given the off-field humble, "Yes sir, No sir" attitude of Edwards, that on the field he commands so much attention. He is the best example of "letting his play do the talking" that I have ever seen.

So Go Armanti Go! We are excited that you are finally a Carolina Panther!

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Marty Hurney

was just as excited when he was talking about Armanti in the press conference. You get the feeling from him that Edwards was born to play in the NFL.

Oh well. 3 months until preseason.

by pieterzen on May 4, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Very nice read Tater

Love it

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by Jaxon on May 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Marvelous writeup, Tater! Highly rec'd it.

Tyke Tolbert must have indeed thanked his lucky stars, to get this job. and be blessed with Steve Smith, and then the untapped potential of Edwards and LaFell. It is in his hands to develop the missing half of what could be a very awesome offensive attack.

I’d hate to be a DC, facing the Panthers’ weapons.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

great article. its almost like we have our own cribbs now :]

by ieatcrayons on May 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

One question Tater...

Did you order your jersey yet?

Seriously, one of the first things I thought when they announced the pick was how excited you were going to be. You beat the Armanti Edwards drum for months when I hated the idea of him as a QB (which I still do) but now I see him as that ‘do everything’ type player who will be insanely valuable, especially if we ever want to get creative on the offense end.

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by James Dator on May 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh it is definately in the works

My birthday is in August… and every year I get bombarded with questions from family about what to get. I usually don’t have anything good on hand, so I generally just ask for some cash.

But this year, maybe I can convince some of them to pool together and get me this jersey. That is the plan at least.

That way I will have it ready for preseason when the fun really begins!

As far as my excitement level when i heard about the pick… I was on my way to Asheville and got a phone call about it. I scared my girlfriend to death beating on the steering wheel and screaming ARMANTI IS A PANTHER!!! WOOOOO!!!! She thought I was going to run us off the mountain. Legit concern when I took my hands off the wheel to do a little dance.

by Tater596 on May 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, nice write up indeed....Its's been really cool following your coverage of Edwards throughout the past year

I said this immediately after the draft and Ill say it again, in my eyes, Edwards is the most exciting prospect of the Panthers 2010 draft class.

by paydirt16 on May 4, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I am placing my order for an Edwards Jersey.
We have almost turned my Falcon fan son into a Panther.
He claims we only need Bill Cowher now.

by tarheelfan on May 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Diamond in the rough

“You done good Tater”. Armnati in a year or two could be the steal of the 2010 draft. It actually might not be that long, can’t wait too see him play.

by Cwilly1 on May 4, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't wait on:

Moore
Williams/ Stewart
Smith/ Lafell/ Edwards
Talk about a high power offense and I know the defense will be there also.

by Cwilly1 on May 4, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome post!

I was thrilled to get him, even more so after reading this article. I have this feeling he could be up there with Otah and J-Stew as one of those draft moves that analysts questioned at the time, but eventually came to see as brilliant. Can’t wait to see what this kid does on the field!

by Neilicus on May 4, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn Tater

I was excited about Armanti but now I am shaking I’m so hype about seeing this guy in action

by SouthernPanther on May 4, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Tater!

I would rec it if I could but I can’t on the mobile site. So will someone please do it for me?

I gotta admit, I’m getting excited about this kids potential. I highly doubted him right after the draft. But as the days go on and I hear a lil here a lil there, I get more comfortable with it. Definately lots of upside. Can’t waut to see him out there!

Thomas Davis, Jon Beason, Eric Norwood, Dan Conner, James Anderson, and Jamar Williams are our LB corp!!!!

Tank (306) and Leonard (325) will stop the run and collapse the pocket! I promise!

Our front 7 will be BEAST!

by STEVEN 785 on May 5, 2010 2:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I've been enough of a negative nancy towards Edwards

He does have a good skillset, and I agree with everyone on one thing, I can’t wait to see how he uses it in training camp and preseason.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on May 5, 2010 3:37 AM EDT reply actions  

In the past the Panthers have let a lot of local stars escape their grasp

and I certainly didn’t expect that to change this season. But then they shock me by taking not one, but TWO local stars (Edwards and Norwood). So now we’ve got both our App St and USC fans all stoked to see their boys wearing the electric blue. If only Demaryius Thomas had fell to us I could join in! But I’m happy for you guys and look forward to seeing these guys make us proud.

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by Jaxon on May 5, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just hate that Norwood picked a crappy number

Who wants to buy a #92 jersey? I was hoping he would go for a number in the 50’s since he’s a LB, but oh well… I’m still stoked that he’s on the roster, lol.

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by BW Smith on May 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would buy a #92 jersey

But I’m a really big guy. It makes sense for me to wear a number in the 60s, 70s, or 90s

I am going to look a little funny in my #10 jersey this season.

by Tater596 on May 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would look foolish in a #92 jersey...

I would probably look more normal in a #10.

Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.

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by BW Smith on May 5, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will buy a #92 jersey believe me this!

90+2! I love it

Thomas Davis, Jon Beason, Eric Norwood, Dan Conner, James Anderson, and Jamar Williams are our LB corp!!!!

Tank (306) and Leonard (325) will stop the run and collapse the pocket! I promise!

Our front 7 will be BEAST!

by STEVEN 785 on May 5, 2010 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think he looks great!

Going to be like watching a blue laser beam running down the field for touchdowns.

by Tater596 on May 5, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Electrifying!

I can’t remember if we’ve ever had the talents of a player like Armanti. I guy who can run, pass, and catch. What many don’t know except for App grads, Edwards has a heck of an arm….he can really fling it. Not saying he’ll play QB, but just one more thing for a defensive coach to have worry about if he gets the ball in the backfield.

by RevRiddle on May 5, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

awesome to watch

we were lucky enough to witness this awesome athlete beat everyone while winning three straight national championships
so glad the panthers picked him up

by pizark on May 13, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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