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Another Look at the Panthers 2009 Run Defense

The consensus on this blog is the Panther run defense is the biggest weakness on the defensive side of the ball going into the 2010 season. A quick look at the 2009 season statistics confirms that.

2009 Total Yards Allowed Rank: 8th

Rushing Yards Allowed Rank:  22nd

Passing Yards Allowed Rank: 4th

Yet the Panther defense finished the season strong giving many of us hope for the 2010 season. But did the run defense really play that much better as the Panthers finished the season with a 4-1 run to finish at 8-8. Could it simply have been the offense playing better and not turning the ball over? Do we really have anything to base the defensive optimism on? Let's start with the first question, whether the run defense actually improved.

Breaking the season into quarters and averaging the results to better detect trends the following chart shows the average rushing yards allowed per quarter. I then averaged the final 2009 rushing offense rank of each team by quarter to compare the result against the quality of the opponents in that quarter. Here's what we got:

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2009 Season Quarter

Avg Rush Yds Allowed

Ave Opponent Rush Rank

1st

155

18

2nd

90

17

3rd

155

11

4th

99

12

 

So you can see we started the season poorly against middle-of-the-pack rushing teams on average, including giving up over 200 yards to Dallas. We were missing two players key to the rushing defense, DT Maake Kemoeatu and SS Chris Harris. Kemo's replacement was the inexperienced and too light for the position Nick Hayden. Quinton Teal filled in for Harris until he returned in game 4. Hayden only started one game as the Panthers quickly traded for Louis Leonard to fill the DT spot vacated by Kemo. Unfortunately Leonard lasted only one game before joining Kemo on IR leaving Hayden to start again in games 3 and 4.

Starting with game 5, enter FA DT Hollis Thomas, who would start at Dt the remainder of the season. Against a very comparable line-up of rushing offenses, which I found surprising given the teams, the Panthers reduced the rushing yards allowed by 42%. At this point we were singing the praises of Thomas and Harris and hoping for better results in the second half of the season.

Though game 9 was a victory over ATL the Panthers still gave up 176 yards rushing to the #15 rushing team. That was followed by match-ups with the #4 Dolphins and #1 Jets leading to the poor 3rd quarter showing. Only the #23 ranked Bucs kept the 3rd quarter opponent rank so high (11). We also lost leading tackler LB Thomas Davis in this quarter. Yet in the end the average performance was no worse than the result against the lesser rushing teams in the 1st quarter, a hollow victory at best though.

The 4th quarter schedule contained more top rushing teams with an average rank of 12 yet look at the results. That included a smash-up job against the Vikings and Adrian Petersen (41 yards). So this trend does appear to suggest that as the Panthers solidified the DT spot with the addition of Hollis Thomas and became more familiar with DC Ron Meeks system the rushing defense improved.

Yet we no longer have Hollis Thomas on the team. I find it a reasonable assumption that the Panthers think they already have a comparable talent to Thomas on the team. After all, they did sign Thomas to fill the spot in the first place (though he wasn't their first choice). Here's more food for thought for those questioning our rushing defense. In spite of the release of several defensive veterans the Panthers return their top 4 tacklers from 2009. The players that have left only accounted for 17 percent of Panther tacklers in 2009. So given that stat and the positive trend to end the season I feel we don't have as much to worry about with our rushing defense and many may think.

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Great post Jaxon!

We should be just fine IMO.

I was just thinking though (the reason I hopped back on) if we were to (knock on wood) lose Godfrey and/or Martin…we will be screwed! Insert Teddy KGB speach here…pretty much the same boat the Giants were in last year.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on May 26, 2010 1:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

True...no depth at safety anymore

though Quinton Teal might still be available

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by Jaxon on May 26, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think but I could just be imagining things

but I think he is a Seahawk now.

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on May 26, 2010 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He is a Seahawk.

Although we did bring in Hudson (Go State!), who’s going to play at safety.

Plus, we drafted 14 DBs at the end of this draft, so one or two of those guys will hopefully be able to play well back there.

by r3 on May 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Just like a young man coming in for a qvickie.” —Teddy KGB.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on May 26, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on May 26, 2010 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hollis Thomas was nothing special

He himself referred to himself as ‘the fat guy in the middle’. There’s no reason to think that (if healthy) Leonard wont fill that role.

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by James The Aussie on May 26, 2010 1:37 AM EDT reply actions  

+10000

How hard of a task do you think it will be to replace Lewis? How big of a factor was he last year? How does that measure up againts the rest of the leagues player at that position? In your opinion was Lewis “valuable” or a “impact” on the line? Or was he more of a stop gap?

I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill

Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.

A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.

A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.

This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!

by STEVEN 785 on May 26, 2010 2:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Okay, I had a post written out.

Then my laptop froze up. >_> Basically you can sum it up as there are two ways we can play defense this year. We can play with a true NT, or without one. With one it will be like last year, only Leonard doesn’t have a true NT skillset and Tyler is kind of small. Without one we will be like the Colts defense, which is fine, only we will be somewhat soft against the run. A top fifteen finish in run defense would be spectacular, more realistically expect a ranking closer to #20.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on May 26, 2010 4:30 AM EDT reply actions  

No one with prototypical NT Size/Ability

A true nose tackle needs to be huge and ideally be able to swallow up a center and a guard without losing ground. There isn’t anyone like that on the roster right now.

by bmoyer on May 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

correct, sir

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by ERL on May 26, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not according to the list I posted in another thread

Louis Leonard figures to be the second heaviest 4-3 NT in the NFL next season.

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by James The Aussie on May 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but he's an undrafted journeyman

He went undrafted in ‘07 and has been on 4 rosters and only started 5 games in 3 years as a pro. It’s not just size that matters…

by bmoyer on May 26, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

We can argue Leonard’s skill and ability all day long, but you can’t dispute that he’s the size of an NFL 4-3 NT

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by James The Aussie on May 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what she said...

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by bwsmith25 on May 26, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he has the size, but from what I've seen,

he doesn’t have the skillset. We will find out shortly, and to be clear, I don’t have an issue with playing the run the way the Colts do. I love a defense that can penetrate. I’m just aware that that comes with some softness against the run. We can still be a good defense while being somewhat weak against the run.

Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.

by Flowing Willow on May 29, 2010 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hollis Thomas was nothing special?

 The fat guy in the middle did nothing but save the freakin day for us. I thought that he was going to be a joke at first, that we really were that desperate. Low and behold he made big plays by himself and helped solidify that D line. That’s special to me. Go Panthers!!

by mr.mrgarcia on May 26, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Welcome to the blog mr.mrgarcia

The Sponge Bob lovin big guy knew how to clog up the middle. I’d feel a lot better if they would go ahead and sign him now.

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by Jaxon on May 26, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome

Yeah, he was a big guy in the middle. He helped us because everyone went down, but he’s not really a pivotal piece.

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by James The Aussie on May 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot one important thing...

We also switched from a cover-2 to a cover-1 basically putting another guy in the box. The switch to cover-1 seemed to be the turning point for the Panthers run D in my mind.

How will they do with they have to play the cover-2 again? Everyone should be healthy so that’s a good start. We shall see!

by patosan on May 26, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think most of you know my sentiments so I ‘ll just keep them to myself. I’ll just say that I’m not sure what to expect, like everyone else. There has been a decline in our defensive ranking against the run over the past 4 or 5 seasons, so we have actually gotten somewhat accustom to them allowing some rushing yards. I guess we have been spoiled with some great defenses….as that has been our teams’ national identity for quite some time, deserved or not.

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by ERL on May 26, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

What we have that Meeks didn't have at Indy...

is arguably the best LB group in the league. I’m hoping for a lot of tackles for loss by the Beast and Davis. So while we may not have a clogger at either tackle, we’ve got fast, high horsepower tackling machines behind them. So, I’m cautiously optimistic that we will actually improve against the run. That’s not a prediction, because it’s way too soon to tell at this point.

"Stay thirsty my friends"

by Rick Bates on May 26, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

That is possible, Rick

My biggest fear on this subject is not the lack of plays made by our DTs, but rather their inability to occupy the three interior offensive lineman.

If any one of those three interior O lineman is released into the second level on most run plays, Beason is going to have a hat on him from jump street. That is exactly what was happening last season before Hollis Thomas was picked up—and that was the primary reason Thomas was signed…you’ll notice that Beason’s production spiked quite noticeably when Thomas was in front of him:

1st 3 games without Thomas: 7 tackles per game
last 13 games with Thomas: 9.5 tackles per game

I also recall Beason publicly calling for the Panthers to sign a NT shortly after Kemo went down on the first day of training camp last year. It took three games too long for them to get the message, apparently. Of course Hollis Thomas was not available until our week 4 bye, so it may not have been for the lack of effort on the front offices’ part.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on May 26, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's absolutely true, ERL

If our D-line can’t occupy the C & Gs, we’re in the same boat as last year, the one with the big hole in it. I agree it’s the biggest concern coming into the season, and will be the difference between a top 10 defense vs. maybe top 20.

"Stay thirsty my friends"

by Rick Bates on May 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

balls

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on May 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

re: balls

(meager attempt to re-open discussion on this thread)

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on May 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be all I told you so, but...

I told you so….

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on May 28, 2010 4:17 AM EDT reply actions  

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