Fan Vote: Jonathan Stewart Comparison
by Jaxon on May 20, 2010 10:35 PM EDT
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Printrmoneyg35 over at Carolina Huddle put up an interesting post that includes video links of Panthers RB Jonathan Stewart and Dolphins RB Ricky Williams. He postures that Stewart and Williams have similar running styles:
Is it just me or does JStew remind you of Ricky Williams? After watching the espn special 30 for 30 on Ricky Williams I realized how much of a beast the guy was and started watching some youtube videos of the guy. After watching the video I posted I started thinking how he and JStew run very similar. They are also both 5-10 and weigh around 230.
Here's the links he provided for the comparison:
Ricky Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DysNAn68Dqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFrH1NVU49A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baDdtQSBjrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmcQRyrUOo
Jonathan Stewart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwSKFOfc04Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRo4ATyCdB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfYnLdGI1Dw
So what do you think Panther fans? Take the poll and lets hear your comments.
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Other than maybe the stiff arm I don't see the comparison
Ricky looks quicker to me, but Stewart looks stronger with a better center of gravity. Ricky can knock some guys over, but I don’t see him dragging guys the way JStew does when he keeps those feet moving.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
HE IS UNPARALLELED BY ANY OTHER RUNNING BACK
He has the strength of an ape and the speed of…a panther.
Think Chewbacca.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on May 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously though
He’s a poor man’s AP
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on May 20, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s a “poor man’s” AP. I think he’s got the same talent and frame. Look how muscular they both are through the legs. As a feature back like AP, Stewart would have the same production. If DeAngelo wasn’t in the picture, Stewart would be in the conversation with Chris Johnson and AP as best in the NFL.
As would DeAngelo Williams if Stewart wasn't in the picture
If DeAngelo wasn’t in the picture, Stewart would be in the conversation with Chris Johnson and AP as best in the NFL.
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Please don't kill me.
True, but at risk of getting flamed, I think Stewart has the slight edge over Williams. I think Stewart will have the more illustrious career.
No flaming here, don't worry : )
There are many people who think Stewart is ultimately the better back, so you’re not alone at all.
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by James Dator on May 21, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree based in physical talent
But I have 2 questions about Stewart. Will he be injury prone long-term? And what’s his work ethic? He’s always sitting out of camps, and Ive seen him give up on plays.
Before someone sets me straight (people don’t like neg Panther talk around here), I know there are good explanations for this. He plays through injury, never missed a game, was over worked when DeAngelo was out, etc. I also question a guy who doesn’t care if he’s a starter. Im use to that Smitty, I can do it all attitude. So we’ll have to see.
With that being said, if we traded one Id rather it be DWill… Stewarts upside is too high to let him go.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on May 21, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only area I would disagree with you there is the comment about training camps
Players don’t get to hold themselves out of camp, he’s just happened to be injured during training camp. If the team doctors advise against it I don’t think we can knock his work ethic for that.
I can’t attest one way or another to him ‘giv(ing) up on plays’. I personally haven’t seen this.
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by James Dator on May 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
AP vs. JS
Peterson’s Stats
Stewart’s Stats
Averaged:
AP: 4.9 yd/carry, 1 fumble for every 46 carries, 1 TD for every 23 carries, Long – 73 yards, 19.9 carries per game
JS: 4.9 yd/carry, 1 fumble for every 81 carries, 1 TD for every 20 carries, Long – 67 yards, 12.7 carries per game
AP clearly carries a heavier workload than JS, but JS scores more often and fumbles way less than AP.
Can you imagine if Stewart had been drafted to a team as a feature back with a good OL like San Diego, Baltimore, Carolina (minus DeAngelo), NY Jets?
Just for giggles, here are DeAngelo’s Stats
DW: 5.1 yd/carry, 1 fumble for every 151 carries, 1 TD for every 25 carries, Long – 77 yards, 13.0 carries per game
So the same argument could be made about him too =)
Each of them is better than AP.
We had a long , well-discussed thread on here some months back, comparing the top RB tandems (current and all-time) — Stewart and Williams did not suffer by any comparison.
Gruden alluded to this a year ago, the other announcer was a bit shell-shocked
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Me either
In fact I have seen him multiple times keep his legs churning and grind out a few more yards.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 22, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure they do
If one of your star players says I
need to sit out, I doubt a players coach is going to say no. Plus tell the Dr it’s still hurting… What’s he going to do? Force Fox to play him anyways?
I don’t know if he’s given up on plays. But I remember him slowing down against NYG last year, and there’s a popular long run highlight where he clearly slows up, letting his chaser tackle him at the 1 yard line. These could easily be him just running out of steam… I’d just like to see more.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on May 21, 2010 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's an assumption though
You’re assuming that Stewart asked to sit out. The coaching staff said specifically that he was sitting out due to injury, so believing otherwise is akin to believing Delhomme has never injured last season- which was a conspiracy theory at best.
I think accusing him of lying to the doctor about the injury and labeling him as a sandbagger isn’t really fair given there’s no evidence of it.
This is the video of the run you are referring to he was running at full pace, he never let up at all from what I see. Sure, he got caught but there was no significant drop in his run speed.
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I have to believe that the coaching staff sat him
An injury to the foot or ankle or lower leg that is not properly cared for can be the death of a RB. They were cautious about putting him through too much practice because they knew he had to be as well as possible on Sundays.
I don’t think he has ever dogged it. In fact, from what I’ve seen watching all the games from 2008 and 2009 on NFL.com’s Game Rewind, Stew gives as much 2nd and 3rd effort as any back in the league.
You could call him a lair, but he has said on several occasions that it is painful to sit and watch your teammates put in all that work while he’s riding the stationary bike or just chillin on the sideline.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Agreed
Stewart didn’t give up on this play. Look at all the tackles he shed. #52 Boley just got up to speed faster from the get. Stewart is pure muscle – no way I would want to try to tackle him =)
Atually not a horse-collar...
By definition a horse-collar tackle the defender has to pull the runner down from behind, the fact that Boley grabbed the sholder pads has nothing to do with it being a horse-collar. By Stewart falling forward at the end of the play it cannot be a horse-collar. To be a horse-collar penalty he would have had to pull him backwards using his grip on the shoulder pads. Here is a true horse collar and the primary tackle that made it illegal.
I'm not accusing or assuming
I gave you multiple reasons why it probably wasn’t the case. I just leave a small window open, and don’t do like some and fully convince myself that everything Panthers is always pretty and rosy.
Believe it or not, people fudge the truth sometimes… When somebody NEVER does anything wrong, that’s the exception. Exaggerating an injury a bit so you can sit out of 100 degree weather drills I’m sure is not that uncommon. Maybe one of us should call up Frank and Buck to ask them.
And he clearly slows down at the end of that run. I don’t believe at all that’s his full speed.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Come on now
It’s one thing to call yourself a realist, or a pessimist, but it’s another thing entirely to naturally doubt the most logical conclusion in favor of the negative one, that’s cynicism.
It’s not about assuming everything is ‘pretty or rosy’ it’s being logical. When a player is injured, and the team say their injured, and the player says he’s injured and said player had no history or accusation of ‘dogging it’ while at college then to assume otherwise isn’t logical.
And yes, you did assume- because you made the following jump:
“Stewart has sat out training camps therefore Stewart’s work ethic is brought into question”
No doubt I’m sure players sometimes over exaggerate an injury during those 100 degree two-a-days, but not for the entire camp. Let’s not forget, Stewart’s first camp he’d just had toe surgery.
It’s not about who looks at the team with rose colored glasses in this case, it’s not about seeing the glass half empty it’s about whether one immediately and cynically assumes that a player is exaggerating an injury to get out of practice, and I don’t really see what that achieves.
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No doubt he was injured, but he potentially could have milked it at times
But even though we don’t know for sure, you are telling me that I have to take a side. That’s not a logical approach. You guys support your point just because you like and trust the guy… That’s fine, me too.
But that still doesn’t remove the reality that there’s a small chance this could happen. That’s all I’m talking about… And to prove it I even said in the first comment that I’d trade DWill before him.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I've never once said that you 'need to take a side'
Just because I completely and utterly disagree with your opinion doesn’t mean I expect you to believe in mine.
Of course there’s a small chance the scenario you outline could happen, but to me, that’s like saying there’s a small chance Steve Smith planned to punch Ken Lucas two year ago to get a week off… it’s possible, but not logical.
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Sure, that's logical as well
I have a feeling that Steve and Lucas didn’t get along well prior to that… Maybe he thought at some point something like, “if that fool messes with me again I’m going to clock him”.
But like always you are trying to ignore half of what I say in order to exaggerate the negative part like it’s my last and only conclusion.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I'd imagine..
He’s going to focus mainly on the area where the disagreement is. He could take time to address everything you said, but wouldn’t that be like patting someone on the back only to kick them in the baby-factory? Perhaps not that extreme?
I must say, I’ve enjoyed the debates you two have shared recently. Beats all of us sitting around in a circle j… ah, yeah, I’m sure you get the point.
Now, I want some bacon.
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Precisely
There’s no point discussing an area I agree with someone, because there’s no discussion to be had.
Furthermore, I started by saying “The only area I would disagree with you there is the comment about training camps”
I acknowledged that I agreed with you in most areas, just because I don’t explore it in depth doesn’t mean that changes.
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Well you just wote 3 paragraphs on why you agree with D-Ranged1
Hmmmmm? But that’s fine, I’ll be the target guy… I like the more lively debate.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
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Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Errr... Got clipped. Here's the link
http://life.wadehone.com/uploaded_images/bacon_t-shirt-739871.jpg
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
opps meant this one
http://www.royalbaconsociety.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bacon-chonies.jpg
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
All sorts of Bacon love to spread around!
In this scenario, those pictures are too funny.
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sigh
The last two paragraghs were directed at you… I don’t get why you dont see that
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He was gassed in the NYG game - the one he ran for over 200 yds.
You now say, “I don’t know if he’s given up on plays.”
Less than 4 hours earlier, you stated, quite unequivocally, “I’ve seen him give up on plays.”
Sounds like YOU gave up on that play!
Or was it just an attempt at misdirection?
Yes he did!!!
And if you check the clock in the video, it was with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter. I’d say he was totally gassed.
I think YOU just like ignoring my points
I’m sorry for assuming one of your beloved Panthers might dare slow down a bit because he’s tired or some other reason. I know they are Omnipotent beings to you.
But if instead of just trying to frame me in my typos, you actually paid attention to what I was saying… You’d also see me also explain away the whole idea. I just leave a small door open, and unlike YOU don’t assume these guys are perfect beings.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Which point did I ignore?
The one when you say "I don’t know if he’s given up on plays."?
Or the one where you say, "I’ve seen him give up on plays."?
They are totally contradictory, and both ideas originated from you.
Far from ignoring you, I pay close attention to what you have to say. And I must conclude that you’re making a career on this blog of being the resident pessimist — I can only imagine you feel some griping need to offset James optimistic slant with a counterpoint of your own. Sure there are two (or more, sometimes) schools of thought about the stuff we discuss here — but why be so adamant about strutting your cynicism?
Who said these were “perfect beings”?? I sure never did.
I’m just a guy who’s proud to be a fan of a well-run organization that shows class in its hiring standards, and spirit on the field. I cheer for their success, hurt when they lose, and share their happiness when they succeed. Your negativity is all based on your opinionated speculation that new guys can’t perform, or you wan to “see more” before you can be convinced of a guy’s ability, etc. You’re entitled to your opinions, and I’d argue on their behalf for you, but I don’t share them.
It was a poor choice of words BigDavis
Get over it and read the entire context!
I have a friggin picture of DeAngelo as my profile pic. Yet I said I trust Stewart’s upside enough that I would trade DeAngelo before him. Funny how conveniently it is to ignore things like that.
It’s May, let’s have some fun examining all angles instead of just playing whose my hero for 6 months.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Damn! That's DeAngelo?
Dude is fly!
Always thought that was you.
I thought it was Smitty.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 22, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
He is all pimped out. He seems like a guy that has a lot of fun in life.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Always wondered..
Just who that was. I think I’ll just refer to it as DeBacon Williams now.
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The other run you are referring to was the Green Bay game
when he cramped up. The Giants game he had fought through three or four tacklers, and Stew isn’t super fast to begin with.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 22, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
While he's not DeAngelo fast
He is faster than that. But as I said he probably ran out of steam, cramped up or something.
However, I’m just opening up a tiny idea that probably won’t hold water for too long… That if you combine this small potential of quitting on a play, with a guy who doesn’t have much ambition to be a starter, has yet to participate in an entire camp (despite never being injured bad enough to miss a game), maybe he has some motivation issues. And that would make him a lot more like Ricky Williams after all.
I know it’s a long shot… just piecing a few things together.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
You need to stop smoking the cheap stuff.
Go look at Ricky Williams’ Stats.
If Stewart starts 16 games for the next 3 years and has between 300-400 carries and over 1200 yards a season for the next 3 years, we can compare the two backs. Now if Stewart signs a new contract at the end of his rookie deal and falls off the face of the earth to go smoke ganja we can start making real comparisons. Not to mention with another solid season under his belt, Ricky Williams will be in the top 25 for career rushing yards ALL TIME. Strictly in terms of production, I hope Jonathan Stewart is as good as Ricky Williams.
Ha! I for one don't blame Ricky
For trading a materialistic lifestyle in the spotlight, for a more simplistic, “spiritual” one… even if it does involve a banned substance.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
"Legalize it... don't criticize it"
Oops. Wrong blog.
"Stay thirsty my friends"
by Rick Bates on May 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and smoke it!... i mean
… medicinally utilize it
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
He doesn't have Peterson's turn of speed.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
I would debate you there...
Since JStew doesn’t have bouts of fumblitus, is younger than AP, and has only been the featured back for a limited number of times.
or Stewbacca...
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Thanks
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest
Here's a twist on Williams
If he continues to play well, put up good numbers a few more seasons…does it make Ditka’s trading of his whole draft for Williams seem less stupid?
No because Williams is flaky
He’s motivate one minute, out of sight the next. And for as good as he is, he’s said he doesn’t want to be the featured guy. I don’t knock him for thinking life is better spent in a spiritual commune somewhere, smoking pot… or whatever. Maybe the rest of the NFL could use a lesson from him on materialism. But that doesn’t make him a reliable football player… he’s not at all.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
They both share a rare blend of speed and power and know how to hit and hole and take the edge
Williams seems to run a little bit more upright, looks a little heavier and slightly taller than Stewart. Stewart runs more under his pads and is better at running between the tackles. Both are good red zone finishers though.
Overall I enjoyed Stewart’s highlights more! (Maybe I’m biased?)
I think Stew is the most like Jamal Anderson
Especially with the stiff-arm. O_o
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
Hate to say this, for several reasons, but Stew reminds me alot of OJ Simpson
Even though OJ was more of a long strider in the open field, their combination of speed, power, field vision, wiggle are similar to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoK_KGz1rHU
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When I see Jonathan Stewart I'm reminded of Emmitt Smith
Powerful, speedy, hard to bring down, and both have a great deal of patience to wait until the holes become available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvEXqWcouBg
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Yeah, I totally see that too...
Emmitt has more swivel in his hips but JStew is more ooh I dunno something like this…
“THE PAIN TRAIN’S COMIN’! THE PAIN TRAIN’S COMIN’! WOOO WOOO!!!”
I agree with the comparison
Stewart is similar to Ricky in many ways — even the quiet, laid-back personality. Hopefully that doesn’t mean he’s going to bolt for the Himalayas to find himself.
How about SAM "BAM" CUNNINGHAM
as a kid, loved watching him run, and slam into things…
http://searchmedia.patriots.com/m/video/30304437/2010-patriots-hof-nominees-sam-cunningham-rb.htm
of course, i’m showing my age a bit…
Stew reminds me of a bigger Barry Sanders, but not his running style...
Just the way he looks. Those big, tree-trunk legs.
To me, he has the potential to be the best back in the league.
I mean, who else does stuff like this?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo0sELTK_9M&feature=related
(sorry for poor video quality)
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I voted similarity to the greatest - Jim Brown
Brown had balance, strength, speed, desire, and it took more than 1 to being him down.
See what I mean in these hilites — especially compare in the second play to how he emerges from the pile of would-be tacklers. Look familiar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6cCXNBeVfc
I saw him live – there will be no other like him. But Stewart has the rare tools to be compared.
I see a possible TV series out of this for NFLN...
Comparing current and former great and tangibles on a empirical basis as much as possible. Compare their football speeds (dead out sprint, acceleration, etc.), ability to change direction, etc. Surely this has already been done though.
Kind of like that show where the compare ancient warriors, except I would like for this to be less hokey. Maybe it is a terrible idea, who knows!
JEEZ
When I said Stew was a poor man’s AP, I wasn’t expecting that much of a negative reaction. I didn’t mean it production wise or anything like that (plus, he’s my 2nd favorite Panther, so it wasn’t to rip him or anything), I meant it like AP is often considered the league’s best back (well, now 2nd best back) and him and Stew have very similar styles, upside, etc… and Stew gets little-to-no notoriety or coverage by the media while AP is praised as a saint.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on May 21, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
Welcome to my world
I can’t even bring up a possibility of something negative without getting hammered. I guess in your case you can’t say something that remotely sounds negative either.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
It's understandable
Most Panthers fans don’t want to hear anything negative about the Panthers, especially coming from a Panthers fan on a Panthers board, whether it’s the truth or not. I personally like some debate. Things can get too nice here sometimes…
(I used the word Panthers 4 times in 1 sentence. What do I win? :D)
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on May 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What would you really expect though? We’re not CatScratchEmo over here. Of course we’re going to be positive. I wouldn’t say you exactly get “hammered”, it’s just that there is always, and always will be, someone willing to go the 12-round positive/negative battle with you. There’s usually well thought out arguments from both sides before agreeing to disagree. It’s better than everyone simply ignoring your “alternative views” because we don’t want to hear the music. If that were the case, you’d never get to explore your beliefs/opinions in depth. If there was not anyone willing to defend the positive side of things, we’d be a very sad Panther community. You’re one man against the world, Bacon!
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LMFAO!!!!!!
CatScratchEmo!!!
Damn D you are a funny guy I must admit
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Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 3:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bringing up the possibility of something negative is not a bad thing
But from what I notice you do it every chance you get. And the shit gets old sometimes. Like the other day I had just had it and I’m sorry about that I got a little rude. But you are constantly taking the negative side. Like if you could choose which team to be on the negatives or the positives you would be the negatives QB or PG.
And the fact that you are a Panther fan pissies me off more when you say some of the stuff you say. I expect some underestimating “you guys suck” bs from Saints fans. But when it comes from a Panther fan it erks me.
You could probably help your cause by informing us of some things you are optimistic about. Try to even out the ration of positive/negative comments. Because the negatives are the majority. Or don’t that’s cool too, whatever floats your boat.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 3:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
even out the ratio*
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 3:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not choosing sides... It's simple counter points
I see the team for what it really is… A team with some incredible strengths and some major concerns. I’ve probably never talked negative on one of our rivals blogs, because they create an environment with opportunity for a positive counter argument.
But on this site I’m sometimes being positive and other times trying to help guys have some diversity of thought. To prove this my comment in question on here, clearly says that Stewart has huge upside… even more than ProBowler DWill. I just offered another possibility to think about… That there could be some motivation issues. A point of which I have said multiple times (even though you ignore it) is a long shot.
People have said on here that they enjoy the back and forth discourse. So I say, while maybe it rubs you the wrong way, just enjoy being on the positive side of an interesting thread. We’ll be cheering for the same team come September.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I do enjoy it.
Just sometimes it gets frustrating (its frustrating its frustrating frustrating…Beerfest ref..yes? no?)
When you explain it makes me think you choose to throw up counter points just to say something else. I would rather believe that you believe the points you provide. Then I can respect the discussion. But I’m sure this is what you meant and I’m reading your comment wrong.
But I don’t really know what you said in this thread I was just commenting on this topic of you getting jumped on for the negativity and you don’t know why.
And I’m happy to hear that you are on the Panthers side when visiting other blogs. I would have assumed that you would be at the Saints blog saying that they are going to destroy us they are awesome and we will come in 3rd place again. Something along those lines. But okay you just do that to us.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To me,
It looks as if J-Stew has a slightly slower first step than Ricky Williams, but he has more top end speed than Ricky has.
Earlier in this thread, I did see a comment asking if Stewart has any motivation problems based upon mini-camp last season, or something along those lines. In his time at Oregon, he was always a class act and a very hard worker, I don’t see any way that he would have any problems along those times.
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