Panther Paw Prints - Martin Time Edition
by Jaxon on May 18, 2010 12:59 PM EDT
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PrintThe edition of Paw Prints announces the beginning of 'Martin time'!
Time is here for Martin
"Safety is the position that I played throughout college, so it's natural for me at safety," he said. "(At) corner, I had to work a little bit harder at it, not even just in technique but the possibilities of what they could do as far alignments and things. But at safety I still have to work hard also, but the movement is more natural for me because I have experience at it." Whether Martin lines up at free or strong safety remains to be seen. He started at free safety in college, but Godfrey has manned that spot for the Panthers for the last two years. "As far as strong and free, here they are basically the same. Overall, you've got to know the defense and know where people are," Martin said. "Week in and week out we switch things up to keep opponents on their toes and to help us do different stuff, also."
So we should be too concerned about who is the SS versus the FS since, as many on this site have pointed out, in a cover-2 they are essentially the same position, just on opposite sides of the field.
I found this to be an amusing characterization of the Panthers - Falcons rivalry: Under Rated!
5. Atlanta Falcons and Carolina Panthers | The Five Most Under the Radar Rivalries in the NFL Today | Bleacher Report
The Atlanta Falcons have a parallel squad, with the young Matt Ryan, exciting Michael Turner, "Rowdy" Roddy White, and Kansas City emigrant, Tony Gonzalez. Both of these teams have the opportunity to be extremely exciting this season and going forward; being divisional rivals makes their games that much sweeter.
Did this guy not see the D-Hall meltdown against Steve smith? I doubt anyone in this part of the country would say the match-up is under-rated... Continuing with the Falcons, so they were good at stopping the run?
Q&A: Curtis Lofton sees a top 10 defense | Atlanta Falcons
Q: What was working for you all last season with stopping the run? A: I would say that the No. 1 thing was attitude. Nobody was going to come in and run the ball against us no matter where we were at. If we didn’t do anything, we were going to stop the run. Now, we have to carry that into not letting them catch the ball on third down. We have to get off the field and make some plays. I think we’re going to be a top 10 defense.
The Panthers put up 140 yards in the first game and 170 yds rushing in the second Falcons game last season. I guess Houston is referring to stopping the other teams.
Darin Gantt's Panthers Blog | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
Panthers rookie QB Tony Pike threw out the first pitch at last night's Reds-Brewers game, giving him a curtain call back home before he returns to work next week. Pike compiled a 16-2 record as the starter to help lift the University of Cincinnati to national prominence, after going 21-4 in two years at Cincinnati's Reading High.
Did he throw it from the spread?...Still think a lock-out will never happen?
NFL Rejects Latest NFLPA Offer, Still Not Taking Negotiations Seriously | Bleacher Report
"We went to the owners, and they raised the issue about the rookie wage scale," (NFLPA Director DeMaurice) Smith said. "We said, 'Fine, let's cut every rookie's contract to three years, instead of six years.' That would pull $200 million out of the draft."
The owners look pretty serious at this point but...
Hey, let's make fun of the Falcons:
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Aundray Bruce, Atlanta Falcons (1988): He was touted as the next Lawrence Taylor. But Bruce never came close to matching Taylor's sack artist skills. He was mostly a backup during his 11-year career and finished with 32 career sacks -- more than 100 shy of Taylor.
Let's not forget my least favorite QB:
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Cutler isn't nearly as lippy as during his days in Denver, especially now that he and San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers are in separate divisions. But the short-fused Cutler could publicly explode at any time - especially if he has a second rough season in Chicago under new offensive coordinator Mike Martz. Cutler already was baited into Twitter exchanges with Ochocinco before a Bears-Bengals game last season until backing down.
Go Panthers!
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I'm looking forward to seeing more of Martin at safety
Many of our secondary highlights he seems to always be in the right spot… If not making a play on the ball, then playing over the top for Gamble to take a little more risk.
But none of that will matter if the d-line can’t apply QB pressure or stop the run… Which is my biggest concern. They’ll need to step up big time.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on May 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you on Martin...
I’m looking forward to seeing what he brings to the table as well.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
He is a dynamic looking guy back there. I fully expect him to have 6+ picks and 60+ tackles.
Do or do not. There is no try.
The position seems natural for him
And that was as a rookie. At least on passing plays he should be able to build on what he did last year.
And hopefully our secondary won’t need to be used too often in run support… Because they don’t look built for it anymore.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on May 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess the qestion is, can our safties hit?
Sanders was “under-sized” but made a big difference in the run D up in Indy.
by The Duke Dude on May 18, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They might not be able to a Michael Turner...
but as long as they set the edge strong, our LBs will be there to clean up.
"Stay thirsty my friends"
Godfrey reminds me a lot of Sanders
And ask Welker if either can hit. ;)
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 19, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Welker is a shrimp by NFL standards.
The hard part with him is catching the guy.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on May 20, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course his sample of INTs is limited to only one game
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on May 18, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Loved the Lofton bit about "not letting anyone run on us."
I suppose admitting that the Panthers put up 310 rushing yards on them in two games would require being more in-touch with reality.
Do or do not. There is no try.
+1
LOL – no kidding.
My take on ATL’s defense is that it’s a better pass def than a run d. Thoughts?
by The Duke Dude on May 18, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they will be improved at both in 2010
They get Peria Jerry back from IR. They added some nice pieces in the draft.
But looking back at the past couple of years, they were bad, in their totalatarianism.
Do or do not. There is no try.
and the word of the day "Totalatarianism"
Nice
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 18, 2010 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or totalitarianism
Not sure about the context though
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Does anyone besides me think that these "heated twitter exchanges" are stupid?
You know… in boxing they stand face to face and talk smack to each other, while looking each other in the eye. So… these big huge manly NFL players instead do it on a social networking site?
@Ochocinco- J-Cut thros 2 many INTs lawl
@JayCutler- Ochocinco iz 2 dum 2 relize that hes jus a # now lawl
@Ochocinco- lawl. we will c on Sun. Jay lolololol
Give. me. a. f*%(ing. break. You NFL players want to keep up your reputation as tough guys? Quit with the middle school level “tweet” wars.
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by Tater596 on May 18, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Where's the 'your momma...' lines?
And what happened to witty smack talk? Hello?!? We’ve got the Rules and Regulations. That’s actually entertaining to watch / listen to. This “you’re dumb” “no you’re dumber” is just, well, dumb.
I seem to recall (and I might be wrong) that Warren Sapp was usually pretty good for talking smack that was higher than that of a 15 year old.
by The Duke Dude on May 18, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
@ochocinco Your mamma's so fat, every time she turns around they throw her a welcome home party!
Knee jerk reaction - adj. 1. an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive. 2. a facilitator of long threads on Cat Scratch Reader and similar blogs.
by Sniff on May 18, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
@jaycutler Your mamma's so dumb
she fell out the window and the bitch went UP.
"Stay thirsty my friends"
Yo mama so hairy, I seent her in the shower and thought I was watching ‘Gorillas in the Mist.’
Do or do not. There is no try.
You're momma's so fat she wears 3 sizes of clothes
Large
Extra Large
and
Oh My God! It’s Coming Toward Us!
by Mr_Sticky on May 18, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
@ochocinco You were so poor growing up, when you stick the key in the front door of your house you bust out the back window.
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Can't they both just get along?
Ochocinco will have ochocinco receiving yards in 2010
Cutler will have ochocinco interceptions in 2010
Peppers will take ochocinco plays off in 2010 (couldn’t resist)
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Hearty chuckle
Good ones
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I agree Tater... all I see when I read these stupid twitter wars is this:
nerd fight
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Those games are awesome!
But dressing up as them isn’t.
by The Duke Dude on May 18, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
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We need to run up 250 on Atl this year...
… and hold Turner and Snelling to under 50.
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I agree I don't see how our rivalry with Falcons is underrated
I’ve ALWAYS hated the falcons way more than either the Saints or the Bucs (I guess mainly because of Mike Vick back in the day). And it seems to me that we butt heads with them more so than the other two. Am I alone in this opinion, or do the rest of you all think that, between the three, it’s the most heated with the Falcons?
Oh, I agree. And it definitely goes back to Michael Vick
But I also hate the Saints and Bucs, on principle.
"Stay thirsty my friends"
I actually kinda like the Bucs
Mostly cuz I liked Alstot and Tony Dungy. And they have a pirate ship in their stadium.
by The Duke Dude on May 18, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It is hard to dislike a stadium with a pirate ship
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
It is
Definitely one of the coolest features.
I’d have to say I count Atlanta as our biggest rival. We used to be pretty big with the Bucs, but now they sucks. When they get better, so will the rivalry. I don’t like Saints fans, but nothing against them as a team. We used to have a big rivalry with the Niners from our old NFC West days, and the Giants rivalry is picking up. There’s always some history when we play the Pats.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 19, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought so...
I thought we played the Niners a lot more often. I didn’t realize Carolina started out in the NFC west.
I like Drew Brees, and I like the city of New Orleans, so it’s hard to hate them. But Atlanta? Has anyone ever tried to drive through that city? That alone is enough to make me loath the Falcons.
by The Duke Dude on May 19, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It's terrible to drive through ATL
There are no directions or maps that are remotely accurate, and it’s nearly impossible to find anything in the city.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Just cause
you’re from a rural farmhouse in North Carolina doesn’t mean you should bash the great city of Atlanta
awww
You’re a crab apple today matty? You want some ice cream?
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As soon as the whole...
“I’mma thug cuz I wear mah pants round mah knees and I’ll bust my glock cuz I can’t fight” era ends, I’m sure Atlanta will be great. I love rap and hip-hop but there’s a fine line between entertainment and real life. Sadly, ATL just so happens to have been painted as a place full of individuals that cannot make that distinction properly. And we laugh at the “nerd fight” above. Not to mention, as BW alluded, it’s quite the clusterf*ck to drive through for out-of-towners.
Any-wah-hees ya’hall, I gots’a go finish milkin’a cows in mah farmhouse. Wait – I moved to FLA – does that mean I don’t get to milk cows in a farmhouse? I guess I’ll go sit in traffic instead.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
where about in FLA?
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Currently..
In the Spring Hill/Hudson/Port Richey area, just north of Tampa.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
I just moved to Tampa
I like over here so far. I was here for a little while at the end of the football season last year found a cool bar $12 all you can drink draft beer while the games are on. And they have the BEST wings!
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Get your facts straight...
I’m from a rural farmhouse in the upstate of SC, not NC.
If you wanna bash, then at least be accurate. :-)
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Sorry about that
Maybe sometime I can come over, and we can drink iced tea on your front porch/living room while you reminisce about the good ol days when your 5th tractor still worked and the panthers were a good team
That's a good idea.
Gee-whiz, you ATLian boys sure are smarter then us dumb old Carolinians. See? I even said then instead of than. I is so stupid. Hope I don’t drive my big ol’ 4×4 off the edge of the world, I hear its around here somewhere.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Atlanta is ok, but
If you want to go to a real world class city you go to a place like NY. If you want to live in a more comfortable city, but still with some metropolitan qualities, you come to a place like Charlotte.
Not too mention Charlotte’s right down the street from one of the coolest spots in the country… Asheville ;) And Mr. Obama agrees.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
There a lot more likeable without Gruden
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I love Gruden!...no homo
He is a funny mafactor! This one analogy he gave to a QB (I can’t remember who)….Gruden " you know how you meet a real pretty girl, one who’s way outta your league and you kinda get a little nervous and jittery, you’re not as smooth as you would normally act?" QB: “lol yeah…” Gruden: “Well that’s how you look when you play quarterback.”
Ahhh I LMFAO when I heard him say it. He did it all smooth and relaxed. It was hillarious.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 20, 2010 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's better for TV
But there was some talk of him coming here if they let Fox go. I just don’t like his QB carousel.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
yeah he would bring us some media attention
But I’m in love with Furney right now…no homo
When I look at all the drafted guys on this roster..its just beautiful. I really like it. And their eye for talent is awesome. I lobby for big FAs here and there, but in the end I’m happy that most of the guys we have are 100% Panthers!
And I don’t want it to change. Plus I want double trouble to remain intact.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I originally wanted them to trade a RB for a equally talented WR.
Because logically that puts a body on the field in trade for one that’s on the bench. But with all the cuts I am content with the WRs they drafted (knowing now they had no intention of spending money)… not confident yet, but content for now.
The problem is in having to draft multiple WRs, we had to neglect our D-line… which as a result is still in poor shape. We could have gotten a WR FA without trading, and drafted defense earlier. We’d be more set, but it would have cost more… Which we now know isn’t in the game plan.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I dont think we "had" to neglect or DL
I think they chose not to draft a DT. I don’t think there was any DT available to us that could have done more than the guys we have on the team. Meeks must be confident in who he has. He went nuts for DBs obviously. And we picked up Hardy and Norwood. I believe the areas that the coaching staff felt were lacking they addressed. Big time.
Plus there’s always a Sutton or two out there. So if those DTs aren’t showing a lot of promise in TC/PS they will bring someone in. But at this time they feel they don’t need to.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 21, 2010 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I tend to agree with Steven on this one
I don’t think the Panthers ‘neglected’ anything they didn’t want to in the draft. Sure, they committed three picks to WRs, but they also devoted three picks to DBs and two picks to QBs.
For better of for worse I don’t think they felt like they needed a DT in the draft, this is further typified by them only signing Andre Neblett from the bevy of UDFA DTs out there.
We’ll have to wait to see if the organization is right or not, but I don’t think they’re hand was forced to ‘neglect’ the position, I think they chose to neglect it because they think to D-line will be fine.
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I can you say it wasn't forced?
They are clearly being way more fiscally conservative this year. Do you think every year from now on they will make a habit of only carrying a couple vets who make over a million?
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
So
Fox is OK with being in the bottom 4th in rushing defense now? Leonard is not a NT. We do not really have an in-the-box safety.
You can point to our 6th ranked passing defense as being more important, but it was just a product of teams not having to throw the ball because they could just pound us for 175+.
The biggest issue with not being able to control the run is we are going to be put in situations where the pass rush is not as effective. If they can run it twice and get in 3rd and 2, then we are going to have a hard time getting teams off the field. I just have a feeling that we are in for a frustrating year defensively, like the 2008 season, which resulted in the firing of the entire defensive staff, minus the secondary coach.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Run and hide sir
That’s blasphemy!
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
If they felt we'd be in the bottom 4...
Perhaps they would’ve done something to address that need. Being they didn’t, I guess they don’t feel that way?
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
So the fact that we shut down some really good pass offenses
has everything to do with the fact that they ran the ball on us?
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 22, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's also mention that 2008 was a very good year
12-4 2nd in the NFC. So while what you are saying may very well be true… it doesn’t necessarily mean that Moore and Double Trouble won’t be able to compensate on offense, and get us into the playoffs.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
They feel they don’t need to? Or they don't want to spend the money?
I think if they aren’t showing promise, barring injury, they role with them for this year anyways. Under normal circumstances we would not have let all these vets go… I think that’s a clear sign they won’t be spending later either. JR’s not squeezing his wallet now, just so he can panic and shell out money later… he has a long-term plan.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
A 4th, 5th or 6th round rookie is the same cost, regardless of position
Same occurs with UDFAs.
So, if the Panthers only bring in one UDFA DT and choose not to draft one that tells me they don’t see the position as a worry, or a priority.
So while the ‘pinching pennies’ argument can be applied to the over 30 purge, it isn’t applicable to the draft and post draft decisions that cause the defensive line to be overlooked.
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That is an assumption
If they use a BPA drafting philosophy, perhaps the players they selected in the 2nd and 3rd rounds (where guys expected to contribute immediately are selected) were just that—the guys on the top of their board. It does not mean that they are completely comfortable with the DT position, to infer so is to make an assumption.
Do or do not. There is no try.
True, it's an assumption
But if you couple that assumption with the fact that they chose to bring in only one UDFA DT then it seems to validate that assumption even more.
We brought in two UDFA kickers, but just one DT? That tells me it’s not as much of a concern for them.
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Sure, it could
But it could also mean that there were not many quality UDFA DTs available, or that they chose to sign with another team.
What works against the assumption is the signing of Ed Johnson, a troubled guy who does not fit the panther’s free agent profile at all. If they are willing to take a chance on this guy, on top of the fact that they have signed virtually no one else at other positions aside from special teams players, that tells me that was and still has to be some concern over the lack of proven depth at the position.
I watched the ATL game (the one Leonard played in) this afternoon while “working.” He is a 3-technique. He was lined up at the nose all game and did not once command a double team—that is to say their center handled him by himself all game, and ATL rushed for 151 yards on 37 attempts (4.1 avg). Needless to say during the last play of the game he was injured, and missed the rest of the year.
But from watching that tape, I could clearly see that he is not a NT. He is slight in his upper body, and plays high. He does have quick feet, which makes him best suited for the 3-tech.
Tank Tyler, based on the 6 games he played for the Panthers last season, is best suited at this point to be a situational rotation player. He did not have more than 2 tackles in any of those 6 games, and never appeared to get any push, nor occupy two blockers.
Ed Johnson has played in only 5 games in the last 31 months, and according to observers at the mini-camp, appeared sloppy and slow-footed. He has shown the ability to collapse the pocket and be effective against the run, but in football time, that was eons ago.
Corvey Irvin has not played a down in the NFL.
The other tackles on the roster are not the answer, at least not for the 2010 season.
With these four players, I’m not sure the Panthers are anywhere near comfortable. And if we have just one injury, you’ll see the front-office scrambling to give away picks for 70 cents on the dollar to aquire guys that other teams can easily live without.
So I’m not sure why we won’t admit that there is still at least a possibility that a need exists at the position.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Johnson is Meeks guy
But if the coaching staff doesnt think we need a DT then I dont. At the same time if we got an injury to the safety poition then what? If we lost Steve Smith then what? If we lose Beason then what? And if we need to bring someone in then we will. no big deal.
And in Leonards defense….he didnt really have time to adjust to what we are doing. the entire defense was horrible.
Could we have better DTs? sure…Can we get better DTs? no..are these DTs better than who we had last year? yes. so freak out if you guys want but theres nothing that can be done about it. and i dont think Brian Baker is going to go through an entire offseason and not realize where his guys need improvement. Think about it.
Bottom line. We had needs and they addressed them. We didnt draft a MLB because we didnt need one. The same is going for the DT position. Just because we dont have stats on these guys that they are proven NFL gamechangers. Doesnt mean that they wont become that. If the Panthers goal was to save money and only save money then they would let go of them all and sign a bunch of UDFAs for the league minimum.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
I never mentioned money, anywhere
To me its not about the money. Its about choosing to sit tight on a position of need.
I compare it to the QB position, where Fox and Hurney kept Jake as the starter and for 8 years did not think about the future, or for that matter, improving the position in the present. You can defend their stance, and try to rationalize the decision making—that is your prerogative, but to me this team appears to have a need at the position. I’m not just being pessimistic. That is not the intention. The intention is to express the fact that I believe the position is currently being mishandled. Sure the coaches and front office have more opportunity to evaluate these guys. But its not as if I have not viewed tape before coming to this conclusion. Plus, the stats don’t lie. Last season we were poor against the run, and have done little to improve in that area. In fact, it looks like on paper at least, that we have regressed.
You can be optimistic about our scheme. The cover 2 is great system, but how do you expect to keep two safetys deep if we can’t stop teams from pounding us for 150 yards a game? We were not able to keep our safetys high last year. Are we to take for granted that we’ll be able to stay in it this year? Teams have now had a chance to scout our defense, and I’m sure have come to the conclusion that our cover 1 patch fix in the second half of the year can be exploited with the deep ball. Since we don’t have an in the box safety now, we are not even sure that we’ll be able to control the line of scrimmage in a cover 1.
I feel like I’ve analyzed this with an open mind, I’m not just trying to pee-pee in everyone’s cornflakes.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Off topic, but I'm curious...
Where did that expression, “pee…in cornflakes” originate? I was playing poker last night , and a guy threw it in the conversation. I hadn’t heard it before. Thought it was pretty funny.
I was replying to you and Bacon
He was talking about the money.
We don’t know how Godfrey is going to do in the box. He could be 10 better than Sanders.
How have we not addressed stopping the run? We spent draft pick getting these guys. Hurney was out in CLE scouting Leonard. If we didn’t have the personel that they wanted then they would have continued looking.
And from the paragraph pertaining to JRs finger prints…. he is setting Fox up to fail? I don’t get it. Sorry if I trust our coaching staff to evaluate the situation. But Fox is not a fan of getting the ball ran all over us. I can assure you this is a priority of his. If he left it alone then its because he believes they will do the job. These guys get a whole training camp to work through.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 21, 2010 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"setting Fox up to fail" are your words
Because I never said that. I said JR clearly has a tight budget this year, and Fox is having to work inconveniently within it.
Of course JR wants them to succeed, but clearly this year, scaling back in light of an uncertain future is more of a priority.
Fox’s lack of a contract extension might be signs of that uncertainty as well.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I'm sorry but it just does not make sense to me
I don’t even see how he is scailing back. If he was then Chris Gamble would have been gone. Right or wrong?
Who did we let go of that made an impact on this team? We only averaged 6 yards less without Hoover. The only person I personally could make a case for is Lloyd. And if one of these new KOSs can put the ball 5 yards deep in the endzone then then that argument is out the window.
Everyone else is dead weight. Too old too slow and doesn’t fit the scheme. You are talking about the same thing MP was saying and Gantt told him that this was rediculous.
If you absolutely refuse to accept the fact that all these moves were to improve at every poition then the only other explanation would be to save money. But since we didn’t cut Gamble and we are paying Moore a 1st and 3rd tender…that is impossible.
Every move made was to improve this team. When you take into consideration the new scheme and what it demands of the players…its obvious to me that we needed to be faster and hungry. So we let go of the old and the slow. Not one of them made an impact.
The vet leadership is one thing but none of these guys were the kind of leaders that you could call irreplaceable. Not at all like the Patriots situation. None of these guys come close to the leadership or importance of the guys the Patriots lost. We plugged in “backups” and they did better than the “starters” so yeah. and the starters didn’t make it 16 games either so we will have to see if these guys can.
We have a year in the system now. A year with Meeks. A year with Brian Baker. Etc.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 21, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You introduce young guys slowly, not all at once
This is not rocket science. Replacing too many vets with guys who have never been starters before, even if they are good long-term solutions, does not bode well in the short term.
Muhsin Muhammad
Brad Hoover
Jake Delhomme
Damione Lewis
Na’il Diggs
Maake Kemoeatu/Hollis Thomas
Julius Peppers
Richard Marshall (potentially)
Chris Harris
Rhys Lloyd
You can make an argument for the replacements of any of these guys individually. But all in the same year? And all with guys who have no clue what it takes to start in the NFL? I think you are dead wrong in thinking we will improve at EVERY position.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
This is simple
Moose = Jarret, LaFell…Moose in his prime is one thing but he is just dropping in production. The blocking is nice but we will make it.
Hoover = Fiametta,Sutton…Hoov was huge for us over the years but is also old and we only averaged 6 yards less with out him.
Delhomme < Moore, Clausen…I doubt I need to make a case for this one.
Lewis < Tyler,Irvin,Landri…solid rotation, Lewis was never anything special. He was supposed to get to the QB but didn’t. Tyler is as strong as a guy could be,Irvin is fast, Landri has some quicks as well.
Kemo < Leonard…Kemo just takes up space, Leonard can take up space and if he beats his guy can get to the QB so he needs to be accounted for. Leonard can make plays away from the LOS.
Diggs/Johnson < Conner,Anderson,Norwood,Williams…D&J are slow and old. Anderson has been on this team for 3 years and going into his 4th season. he has started games for us and done very well. Conner has 2 years under his belt and coming into his 3rd. These 2 guys are in no way rookies. They came in and did way better than Diggs or Johnson. Williams is supposed to be a good player capable of beating Conner/Anderson for the starting job. Worst case great backup but if he wins the job then fine. But not a rookie either. And then the rookie Norwood…he is just a flat out beast. But he won’t slow this team down at all and will contribute to rushing the passer. All of these guys are better athletes than Diggs/Johnson. Faster and that is the name of the game this year.
Peppers = Johnson,Brown,Hardy,Norwood…Johnson has starfted games for us. This will be his 4th year with us. Brown has a year under his belt and showed a lot of upside. Impressed a lot of his fellow teammates. Hardy has a lot of potential. Norwood…the beast! I’m positive this kid is a sure thing with his hand in the dirt under Ron Meeks. So with these guys combined efforts they will make up for Peppers production and then some. I wouldn’t be surprised if Norwood/Brown combine for 18 sacks or more.
Chris Harris < Godfrey/Martin…Chris can’t cover half of a field. He made some plays and he could come up into the box for run support. But Harris gets owned sometimes by RBs. So for a hard hitting safety I don’t want to see that. With the direction this team is going on defense Harris is a liability. Godfrey isn’t scared to hit someone. If he can haul ass to the LOS and even slow a back down for a moment and allow our LBs to ceal the deal then this works better for me than having Harris waiting on the ball carrier to get to him before getting put on his ass or just missing the tackle. And Martin is a playmaker and can cover his half of the field.
Rhys Lloyd > the smoothie guy…I can’t remember the kids name. Maybe one day I won’t forget it. But Lloyd was a sure thing. He could knock the piss outta that ball. But if this smootie guy or that other UDFA can get the ball 5 yards or so deep in the EZ on KOs then you insert a =.
I did not include Thomas because he had never started for us before but he came in and did just fine and that’s the opposite of your argument. But he is just another fat guy like Kemo nothing special just fat space eater.
I did not include Richard Marshall because he is on the team. If he does hold out (unlikely) then that will suck but the Captain looked great. Then we just need a nickle back. And Meeks is good at plugging guys into the secondary. So I could see this being a minor speed bump but fixable.
Kemo,Diggs,Johnson,Delhomme were on IR. So its like they were already gone. No biggy that they aren’t coming back.
No position is being filled with someone that does not have experience with this team these coaches and this system. These guys are “vets”. And these guys fit this system better than the players released. None of the players released or traded had an impact that can not be replaced.
Our nucleus is still intact. Beason and Davis will now receive help though. Gamble and Marshal will now receive help over the top. Our ends will receive help from our tackles getting a push up the middle. Overall we are much faster. And that is what we need to be to succeed in Ron Meeks scheme.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 1:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Let's put a little more meat behind your argument
You gave very shallow reasons for some of these. I’m going to open up a FanPost because this comment is about 2 inches wide.
But really Steven, when has any team ever replaced 10+ starters and improved at every single spot? Seems absurd to me.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Alrighty open one up
But don’t leave out the experience all these guys have.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And when you look at it "realistically"...
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Got cut off…its only 5. And 2 of those are JP and Rhys Llod. So then you have Lewis, Moose, and Hoover. Lewis: BUM, Moose: old slow (for a #2) and Hoover: only adds 6 yards per game to our average.
So call JR and yell at him for letting go of Peppers but most guys didn’t want him here anyway. Is Lewsi that important to you? Was he that Important to our success on the DL? His replacement is going to be the ONLY one replaced by a guy who has NEVER started for US. Ok?
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
JRs fingerprints part is for Bacon my bad
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 21, 2010 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OT... but I find it funny..
That we (myself included) continue to think of “Bacano” as Bacon. Bacon is awesome, by the way, especially with egg and cheese.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Everytime you refer to me as Bacon
I laugh, and have a hard time writing a serious response.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I agree with you until the end
Fox hasn’t been offered a contract extension and now he has to go to war with an extremely green, potentially undersized D-line. This has JR’s fingerprints all over it. My point being that if these guys under perform or there’s an injury, Fox will probably be forced to make due with what little he has left. If that means sucking in 2010, so be it, because JR’s ultimate plans, I believe aren’t about 2010.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
It's not about not wanting to admit there still could be a need at DT...
Of course I think the DT could still be lacking, but I’m following the signs I see that indicate that the organization isn’t as concerned about it as the fan base.
You’re absolutely right, I agree that maybe there wasn’t anyone they liked in the UDFA DT pool, but when we bring a Smoothie Maker in to compete for a KOS spot it tells me they’re looking for talent wherever they can.
Most teams sign UDFAs with wreckless abandon, and so do the Panthers. They were worried about the depth at WR last year so they brought in:
- Larry Beavers
- Jason Cherry
- Charly Martin
- Kenneth Moore
They also brought in an additional 5 OL, because they were concerned about the depth. Yet in 2010 the same isn’t occurring. So while there could be definite deficiencies on the DL I don’t see the team worrying too much about the D-line, we wont know whether the fans or team are right until the season begins.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com
Great point
I can’t ignore it either. Could we get better at DT sure..bring the Williams wall to Carolina and boom we just got better. But that’s not an option.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 2:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me give you a hint
Who was right about the QB situation last season, the fans or the team?
5 million heads are better than a dozen.
Do or do not. There is no try.
But that is completely different
Their stubborness on Jake can not be put into this argument. That is on some other stuff. They were just head over heals with JD. Didn’t want to accept the fact that he didn’t have “IT” anymore. Nowhere close to the same situation.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No that means they think they've done the best they can with the tight budget
And yes, when you have nobody with starting experience on your line, and you only supplement it with late round draft picks… that’s a red flag you are overlooking your defense due to financial reasons.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
But they didnt
Leonard, Hayden, Brayton, and Johnson have started for us. Brown, Taylor, and Tyler have come in on rotation.
We didn’t draft any late round DTs. We got Hardy but he was a gift in the 6th. And a DE that we need down the road. He won’t be asked to do anything before he is ready.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 1:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Recent UDFA signings
- 11 in 2007
- 10 in 2008
- 19 in 2009
- 13 in 2010
Four year average: 13.25 signings per season
So it doesn’t appear to be some cost cutting measure given we’ve signed right at the four year average.
Furthermore, what you’re proposing regarding the ‘supplementing the D-line with only late round picks’ doesn’t make any sense. If the money the picks would get was any concern they wouldn’t have selected Jimmy Clausen, who being a 2nd round QB is going to make more than any DT we could have selected in the 2nd round.
If we were truly were so worried about spending money on picks we would have:
a) Traded for an additional 3rd round pick
b) Traded back to get more picks (therefore spending more money)
c) Selected skill positions early in the draft
In fact, if the team wanted to play as cheap as possible they would have traded as many of their 2010 picks for picks in future years to remain cheap. I’m just not seeing the red flag you are because DL would have been cheaper than the QB and two WRs we selected early.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com
More great points
Saving money is obviously not the most important thing this season Baconator
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 2:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To me its not about money
Its about mis-evaluating what to do with our first pick. There I said it, I’m still sore about Clausen, you happy? I’m gonna go cry now.
But seriously, our QB, Matt Moore, has the second best QB rating down the stretch last year and all of the sudden QB is far and away our biggest need? Wrong. Our biggest need is getting someone in here who can be an impact player on our D-line for the next decade.
We had the opportunity to draft someone who could be a starter from day one in our biggest position of need, and we draft a guy that 31 other teams were too stupid to draft. Until Clausen goes out on the field and helps us win I will be skeptical of the addition.
I don’t understand why people have quarterback blinders on. “Oh he’s a QB so it must have been a great value.” Wrong. In our system, the way Fox plays football, the QB is not the most important position. Not even close. We have a guy that we will win with in
Moore. While Fox is our coach, we will not win games if we can’t stop the run. He does not know how to win if his team cannot stop the run…he plays too close to the vest offensively to allow teams to control the tempo and keep our defense on the field.
What does it tell you when the HC is no longer making the decisions on who to draft? We talk about how the coaches have evaluated the players, yada yada yada, and from there they decided who to draft. Well, no they didn’t. The front office decided. Except the front office wasn’t making the decisions before, so now we are mixing in Foxy’s guys with Hurney’s guys, and are in danger of losing our identity as a football team because of it.
Do or do not. There is no try.
“What does it tell you when the HC is no longer making the decisions on who to draft?”
I think I missed that one?
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Maybe you did
Clearly nothing about the 2010 draft says John Fox.
The man goes through 8 drafts and decided to only select like what, 3 WRs and 1 or 2 QBs? And then all of the sudden, he is inclined to draft that same number of players in a single draft?
Riiiiiiiight.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I mean, 2+2 here, D.
Marty has a contract offer on the table, Foxy is playing out the last year of his contract.
Hmm, If you were Jerry who would you want making the picks?
It’s really not that difficult.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I can buy that these guys were more Hurneys picks
But I can’t believe that Fox didn’t have a say. Outside of Carolina not many buy that Moore is a answer long term at the QB position. I get laughed at by fans of other teams. My cousin throws the sophmore slump in my face real quick. So the jury is out.
Clausen has a chance to become one of the greats. I read an article about him this morning comparing him to Rivers, Manning etc. And I was shocked. The value was just too high to pass on this kid when indeed it was a position of need.
I wanted a WR with our first 2 picks. I didn’t see the need for a DT. So its easy for me to see how they didn’t need a DT. I still don’t see one really. If you want to bring in another big body to put behind Leonard then that’s great. But I don’t think Meeks wants another big guy. He likes them to be around 300. So really he has the guys he wants.
Its not unheard of to wait to see how your coach performs and how the players respond to his situation when he is on the last year of the contract. If he gets his guys to perform then he gets the contract.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not saying the moves weren’t suspect but I’m also not going to assume that just because we went in a different direction that Fox had nothing to do with them. WR was regarded as one of, if not, our biggest need, yet it’s a lose-lose situation for Fox. Draft a few receivers with great potential and suddenly he had no say in the matter or don’t draft any and run with another season of Steve Smith being our only play-making receiver.
In fact, I’d completely disagree with your first statement in the first reply. I think a good coach (or good staff in general, I should say) recognizes team needs and addresses those needs accordingly on draft day based on who’s available. I also think Fox is a good coach.
Obviously, the decision on who to pick isn’t solely based on any one opinion as it seems is trying to be alluded to here. A lot of different opinions are thrown into the matter from a lot of different people, so I guess we can agree that the picks aren’t completely Fox, as they never have been nor ever will be 100% the HC’s decision. Fox may definitely be stubborn but I don’t think you break .500 at least every other year by being too stubborn to see what your team is lacking.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
+1
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ERL, you mentioned that Fox's scheme doesn't require a great QB to be successful
but it does need a good defense. Well one thing constant about the NFL is that you need a QB and a good supporting cast (defense, ground game, receivers, etc). The better QB you have, the more you can get away with deficiencies in the supporting cast (Saints, Colts). The better supporting cast you have, the more you can get away with deficiencies at the QB position (Ravens with Dilfer, Buc with Brad Johnson). Clausen will be a great QB, which means our defense as it stands now will be adequate. It may even be fine with Moore in.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 23, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
"Clausen will be a great QB, which means our defense as it stands now will be adequate. It may even be fine with Moore in."
Saying “will be” and “may even be” seems to indicate you’re concluding that Clausen is the real deal, and I infer you think it’s only a matter of time before he supplants Moore as the starter. Would that be correct?
I would ask you to keep in mind that Matt Moore has an actual resume of success in regular season NFL games, against top-flight opponents. Jimmy Clausen has not even tried to throw a pass in a pre-season game yet. So many people here say it’s premature to anoint Moore as the chosen one, because of this reason and that one (full-season stats, teams not game-planning, sophomore slump, no come-from-behind victories, yada yada) — maybe so. But if that’s true, it’s multiple times true about Clausen. He ain’t done SQUAT yet.
Sorry to belittle your golden boy
But the fact is I believe Clausen is a game-changing QB. I could eat my words yet, but I don’t think I will. Moore is a good QB, but I haven’t seen enough to say he’s the type of guy who will go out and dominate a team and get you the win. Clausen is the type of QB where you can get away with less on defense, Moore is the type where you need a good defense for him to be effective.
Having said that, Moore will start this season for the reasons you’ve given. But I do ultimately believe that Clausen will supplant Moore as the more talented QB. Hopefully then we can trade Moore for a high pick.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 24, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what makes a horse race, as they say.
Every entry has its backers.
…“NThey’re off!”
You haven't seen enough of Moore
To believe he can win games, but you have seen enough from Clausen? Uhh. OK I give up.
Do or do not. There is no try.
No, I believe they both are good, possibly great, QB's
But I think Clausen has the tools to be great. And he hasn’t shown me any different. Whereas I’m pretty sure I know what we’ll get from Moore. Believe, I’ll cheer just as loud if it’s Moore throwing the game-winning score or Clausen, but I do think ultimately Clausen will be throwing more of them.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 25, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Like maybe taking care of D'Will, Kalil, Davis...
We’ve also got a bevy of rookies to sign, albeit cheaply. JR knows a cap will be back eventually and doesn’t want to be hamstrung with Peppers-like problems. No one can really argue that we didn’t make moves just to dump salaries, not even John “we have a budget” Fox. But keeping our proven stars is what I believe ultimately is the plan (I hope).
"Stay thirsty my friends"
Oh don't get me wrong
I have a special hatred for the Buc’s and Saint’s. If i had to order it it’d be 1. falcons 2. saints 3. bucs. I’m always especially on edge during any of these games, but Falcon’s games I turn to bloodlust.
Yeah all those close games over the years with ATL
Well, there were also the two games in 2002 (Foxy’s first season) when we lost by a combined score of 71-0. But before that, all the games were low-scoring, knock-down, drag-out type of contests.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I can't hate too much on the Saints
Breez is an incredible QB, has been through his share of trials, and has done a ton for that community. I was glad to see him get a ring.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
It's underrated...
…because nobody outside of the NFC South knows it exists. I completely agree that it is underrated on a national scale. Everyone knows about the NFC and AFC East rivalries…but we’re an afterthought.
I've heard announcers talk about our rivalry with the Giants
I didn’t know we had a rivalry with the Giants. Charlotte and Atlanta, that transcends football. That is a regional argument. Who has the taller skyscraper? Who has the most banks? Who had the better basketball team (Hornets/Hawks)? Who had the best wrestling matches? Now, Who is the greatest football team in the region? I say the Panthers. I mean the Falcons even had to get an evil Fox to try to match up with us.
I present:
Good John Fox
Vs. Evil Mike Smith
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Try this picture thing again
Good John Fox
Vs. Evil Mike Smith
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
we do have a nasty one with the Gmen
I guess you would have to be there to see it. But its real heated.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 18, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
I don’t know why it started but it is in full swing when they get on that field. Even in the preseason game they are running their mouths and getting into fights. The whole game. The atmosphere is like a Philly game.
The fans hate us. They were breaking my balls about how(I was weraing my blue Jstew jersey) our blue isn’t a football color. And Delhomme blows and even Peppers wants out. They just don’t shut up they’re friggin obnoxious. So I got them all real pissed while we were kicking their ass for 3 quarters and then they snowballed me out. Great time really. This was 08 by the way.
Its intense though. And Beason starts a lot of crap out there. So I’m pretty sure he is pumping up the team about this game. And its easy to do because we hate them too.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 19, 2010 7:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NYG dont care about no Panthers
16 year old team from a small city. You gotta be jokin. That’s how them boys treat everybody. You just aint use to it.
bro Ive been to a lot of Giants games
My family are Giants fans my friends are Giants fans and they have season tickets..my uncle has had them my whole life. I been to a bunch of Giants games since I was a kid. I think I would know how they treat other teams. The atmosphere is intense when Carolina plays them. Even in the preseason they just have this tension between them. I’ve seen it first hand.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 20, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only over the last couple years
There’s something there with NYG’s love for John Fox and him being on the hot seat here too. But that’s not a rivalry that will last.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Yeah but the ATL fans don't feel as strongly as we do
Or at least that’s what they’ve told me. They have other deeper rivalries that go beyond our team’s short existence.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
just a guess but
I think theirs would be the Saints.
I’ve always thought it was the Bucs that were our biggest rival. But I hate all of them pretty equally. Bucs fans are cool though. I’m in Tampa now. And the pirate ship is real cool. The whole side over there by it is really. I went to a USF game there.
Can’t wait till the Panthers come to town!!! Definately getting endzone tickets. And wearing the DLo jersey. So yeah I’ll be the drunk asshole sreaming his head off like a maniac every time we get a first down ;) haha na….yeah
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 19, 2010 7:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't think you were old enough to drink. ;)
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 20, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
ohhh is that jab?
Its all good jitter bug..but yeah I’m 25 and I been drinkin for about 12 years now (I grew up with some lowlives that would give a 13yo kid a 40 and a blunt).
Thinking about quitting drinkin soon. I never get into any dumb shit when alcohol isn’t involved. It has become the common denominator for me personally.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You live in New York?
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 21, 2010 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I used to
And I’m always in NY for one thing or another. But yeah I’ve lived in New York a lot
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 22, 2010 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They were in a division with either the Saints or Bucs before the NFC South was created
Can’t remember which, but that was the one they said ran deep for them. It’s hard for a team with little history to be hated too much.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
They were also in the NFC West
The old NFC west until the South was formed in 2002 was:
- Atlanta Falcons
- San Francisco 49ers
- Carolina Panthers
- New Orleans Saints
- St. Louis Rams
The Bucs were in the old NFC Central with all the current NFC North teams
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com
by James Dator on May 20, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So ATL and NO were together before the 95 expansion
So it must have been the Saints.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Jaxon, James
I don’t know if this is possible, but is there a way to start a NFC south Blog? Where all the pessimists and optimists can get on and say who has what chance or whatever?
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 18, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I actually agree with you this time ;)
I’d be down with that… Then you could see me really rip into someone in light of the Panthers. However my experience commenting on other team’s blogs is they don’t take well to criticism. EyeSack is right… It’d get ugly quick!
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
yeah they dont respond well on other sites
That’s why I think it would be cool to have a place where we can go and talk about stuff with guys that want to and are receptive to the views of bloggers from other teams. That will get you all the counter points you are looking for I’m sure.
And yes it would be great to see you out there defending our Panthers.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 19, 2010 7:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SBN is working on a 'regional hub' concept
that creates a spot for all teams in a region with news feeds from each teams. I’m not exactly sure whether a hub will be a region such as Southeast or simply a city like Atlanta. For example, an Charlotte hub would include Panthers, Bobcats, Braves, Hurricanes and the close by colleges.
I think it’s going to be more than simply a news feed hub but not sure.
so you dont have the ability to create it then?
I have no idea how much pull you have or what you are capable of achieveing. If you could talk to someone up there and they could give you a page or something. One little fanshot to the 4 teams and this would be running in no time. Especially NFC South and NFC East. Maybe ask Sprint or something. They can advertise their asses off on it.
And then pool the news together that would be awesome. But only posts that have made front page and approved by editors and such. It could be real interesting to get the perspective from the outsiders and help to spread overall knowledge throughout the blogging community. I would really love this, its getting me excited the more I think about it.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 19, 2010 7:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost...
And then there is Jaxon. He’s currently battling for the #3 spot but finds it difficult to beat a ghost.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
LMAO
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
~Winston Churchill
Double Trouble. #89. A QB who can protect the ball. Gary "the broad side of a " Barnidge. One of the very best O-lines in the league. A few young talented WRs with a lot of upside. The best FB to come out in the Draft in a long long time.
A top 5 secondary. An awesome LB corp. A 325 lb. wall on wheels in Leonard. A 306 lb. Tank that is as strong as his name suggests. Eric Norwood and Everette Brown coming off the edges too fast. Ol reliable Brayton and Johnson.
A totally new Special Teams unit. With the Jets best gunner in Wallace Wright, the Cardinals ST captain Aaron Francisco, Marcus Hudson, Fast as you want to be Brian Witherspoon.
This is one hell of a football team! This Football team is very young and set up to have success for years to come. This is the foundation of a Dynasty!!!!
by STEVEN 785 on May 20, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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