Weighing the Panthers Risk for Buyers Remorse from the 2010 Draft
by Jaxon on May 13, 2010 1:00 AM EDT
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The Panthers draft team has done a good job the past few drafts selecting players at both ends of the draft that continue to contribute on the field. I think the 2010 Panther draft class has similar potential, from the early to the late selections. If you're like me though you'll be keeping an eye on some of the guys the Panthers passed on. I can't help but follow guys for a couple seasons to see if they surpass the production of the guy the Panthers actually took. When I look at this class there again are a few selections where there was another player available that the Panthers passed on that I would have liked to see in electric blue.
For example, from the 2008 draft I find it worthwhile to compare the stats of these players alongside our picks:
- OT Jeff Otah vs. the Texans Duane Brown: push - both are starters but no further distinguishable stats. I bet this is the year though that Otah develops an edge
- CB Charles Godfrey vs. Falcons CB Chevis Jackson: Godfrey edge - though Godfrey moved to FS he has started every game he was healthy, Jackson remains a back-up since the Falcons chose to bring in CB Duanta Robinson rather than elevate Jackson
- LB Dan Conner vs. Bengals DT Pat Sims (push) - Neither player has made much of an impact to date though that is expected to change this season, at least for Conner.
more after the jump...
2009:
- DE Everette Brown vs. Texans DE Conner Barwin: Edge Barwin
Barwin has a few more tackles and 4.5 to 2.5 sacks in their rookie seasons; Both players enter 2010 looking to increase their snaps though neither is a lock to start
- DT Corvey Irvin vs. Bears DT Jarron Gilbert: Edge Gilbert
With Irvin missing the season to injury there is no real comparison thoug Gilbert hardly impressive with only 4 games played and one tackle; I realize Gilbert was selected ahead of Irvin but I thought the Panthers could have simply selected Gilbert at #59 and gone DE in the 3rd with a guy like the Falcons Lawrence Sidbury.
- CB Sherrod Martin vs. the Dolphins CB Sean Smith: Push
Smith has 7 more tackles and 8 more passes defensed (12 vs. 4); on the other hand Smith had zero INT's to Martin's 3.
Let's now look at the future comparison from the 2010 draft class, which in some cases will take two or three season to compare:
- WR Armanti Edwards vs. the Rams WR Mardy Gilyard:
It was no secret I loved Gilyard so considering the Panthers passed on him for Edwards this one is a natural for me. I think both go into similar depth chart situations and either could earn #2 WR roles if they excel in camp. Gilyard though carries less risk as we have no real idea how Edwards will perform as a WR against NFL level secondaries. We should get a good feel for this one in their rookie seasons.
- QB Jimmy Clausen vs. DE's Carlos Dunlap (Bengals) or Jermaine Cunningham (Patriots)
Though you really can't compare these positions stat-wise, if Clausen fails to live up to expectations and either of the Gator DE's goes to the Pro Bowl this will be a miss in my view. It will take a few years before a real comparison can be made and it could be made moot if either Scoot Norwood or Greg Hardy turn into solid pass rushers
Again two positions that are hard to compare statistically but we all seem to agree the Panthers were expected to select a DT in this draft. The Panthers traded back rather than select Woods and the Saints traded up to grab Woods right before the Panthers eventually selected Norwood. If Norwood fails to develop beyond a situational player yet Woods becomes a three down DT I would consider it a miss on the trade back. The wildcard in this comparison though is WR David Gettis, the player the Panthers selected this that extra 6th rounder from the trade back. If Gettis becomes a contributor in the passing game and Woods fails to become a quality starter then the comparison could swing the other way.
Those are my selections for future ‘Buyers Remorse' comparisons from the 2010 draft, if you can call it that. I want to be clear that at this point though I like this draft, I understand why the Panthers selected the players they did, at least the ones identified in this post. I also have faith that each of the Panthers selections will win their future comparisons, though it won't stop me from doing it anyway.
So what are your future comparisons?
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nice
However I think a valid comparison from past drafts is Jon Stewart compared to Tashard Choice, Matt Forte, Jamal Charles, and other backs selected that year that have gone on to produce. Some will say we could have selected Otah at 13, then with our second round pick taken one of those. We would have had an extra first out of that. Given the fact that none of those guys have produced as well as Stewie though, I’m inclined to think we made the right move.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
i think jamaal charles gets at least a few good years in
where he is statistically more productive than stewart simply because he isn’t sharing carries in a system like ours
he was actually one of my favorites in the draft and I’m happy to see that he was simply stuck behind larry johnson in the depth chart
In my view Stewart has already won that comparison...period... fo' eva!
I love Tashard and I think Forte and Charles are good backs but they don’t have J-Stew’s combo of speed and power. Besides, who in that group could put up 200 yds on the Giants?
But the question is
would Choice or Forte be good enough value to compensate for losing a first round selection? Right now I agree with you, but it remains to be seen, especially if Choice gets a bigger role when Barber leaves.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Jon Stewart? He's hilarious!
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I would actually compare Clausen
To Tate.
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by chinchillas sword on May 13, 2010 3:43 AM EDT reply actions
Interesting Perspective
I voted for Edwards over Gilyard, and no, I am not an App St. alumnus or fan. I had two concerns with Gilyard. One was whether or not he could stand up to NFL physically. He is fast, but I would not be surprised to see him have an injury filled career due to lack of bulk to take too many hits. Secondly, I didn’t think he handled Kelly’s departure well, and showed some attitude that could be an issue.
In contrast, Edwards has a can-do attitude and I’m not so worried about the position switch. Plus, you get all the wildcat options with him.
I think it’s hard to compare guys at different positions. For example, non-QB’s will likely get in games quicker and can put up stats sooner.
Maybe you can run another post after about 10 games and give us a progress report.
Edwards too
I agree with most/all your points. ALSO: He will be a contributor quickly. Clausen may end up traded away later for picks and Norwood, while he might be good, isn’t as versatile.
by chillicothe20 on May 14, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to add
Robert McClain vs. LeGarrett Blount and Ciron Black and Brandon Lang
Really thought all 3 of these would get drafted. Our Mr. Irrelevant better outperform these guys.
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My vote is for Norwood
He is the most exciting pick for me. He’ll hit training camp NFL ready. I’ve seen little that leads me to believe he won’t be an impact player.
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In defense of Sean Smith over Sherrod Martin...
Smith played as a CB while Martin played as a safety. Smith had virtually no safety help due to the ineptitude of Gerbil Wilson. CB is a much tougher & more demanding position than safety. Smith started every game for the Dolphins whereas Martin was a reserve. Smith also had to cover some of the NFL’s top WRs. He faced Moss (twice), B. Edwards(twice), A. Johnson, R. White, Colston, Wayne, Ward, Holmes, and other WRs. While Smith gave up more receptions, he was also targeted more due to his position and him being a rookie. However, Smith saw fewer targets as the season progressed and he improved.
I’m not talking down on Martin, so don’t take it that way. I just think that Martin came into a better situation due to Carolina’s secondary being overall better than the Dolphins in 2009. I think Smith did great given the circumstances he had in Miami.
I think Martin will settle into the FS position and be a good one. I also think Smith will be a good corner. However, I’m disinclined to give that “battle” a push since technically Smith and Martin played different positions. Its hard to compare the two since we don’t really know how Martin would be as a starting CB and how Smith would play as a safety.
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Good points Earl
I should have mentioned Martin being moved to FS but I guess I assumed we knew that (CSR readers that is). So when trying to compare players of different positions and their respective value you simply have to look at overall performance with respect to others that play the position. For example, an easy way to decide a comparison would be if let’s Martin ends up going to a couple Pro Bowls whereas Smith is simply a starter every year but doesn’t get the PB nods. I’m not saying hinge it solely on awards but it could be a big factor.
I thought Vontae Davis took on those guys?
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
They both did...
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Clausen all the way for me
Dunlap is going to be a bust, mark my words. You can’t teach a guy desire and Dunlap doesn’t play for the right reasons as far as I’m concerned. I think he could be a guy who plays like Albert Haynesworth, but only when it suits him or when it’s time for a new contract.
I love Jermaine Cunningham, I really do. I thought he would be an amazing pick in the 3rd round and I see him as a Mike Rucker type. He’ll never be your #1 DE on a regular basis, but he’ll contribute for years.
Despite these lofty comparisons I don’t think either has the potential at their position that Jimmy Clausen has at his. I don’t think either Dunlap, nor Cunningham will be future probowlers, but I think Clausen has the chance to be a future probowler.
It’s all crazy speculation at this point, but at this juncture I’ll take Clausen any day
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Great post.. Getting a rec from me..
But I voted Norwood because, you know, he’s going to be a 15,000,000 time pro-bowler.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Jonathan Stewart vs. Chris Johnson
hello? how do you not compare stewart to johnson? chris johnson is the widely considered the best running back in the league and he was available when we picked both stewart and otah. i can’t believe so many teams passed on him. it’s almost like no one saw video of him playing except the titans. we had stewart returning kicks for goodness sakes. we could’ve had chris johnson returning kicks! touchdown … touchdown … uh oh, they kicked to him again … touchdown. even though stewart worked out fine, that was the biggest oversight the panthers have made in the first round since fox was on the team, by far.
Certainly a good comparison
but I never had Johnson on my radar for that draft. When we drafted Stewart I wasn’t thinking Why not Johnson? I thought the Titans reached for him personally but boy was I ever wrong. That’s why no team is paying me to scout for them!
Now when trying to decide who was the best RB from the ‘08 class both Johnson and Stewart have to be in the mix with Johnson having the edge easily so far. But don’t count Stewart out just yet.
Are we supposed to regret picking Stewart? Sorry, no takers here.
Let’s not confuse Johnson’s opportunity for more carries as him being far superior to J-Stew. Johnson averaged 5.6 ypc on 358 carries, Stewart 5.1 on 221 carries. Give Stewart another 137 carries, and you’d add (based on his 5.1 average) 700 yards to his total of 1133 for 1833 yards.
Do or do not. There is no try.
PS…the best player in the NFL never played in the NFL. Opportunity, unfortunately can often stifle greatness.
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Did you have someone specific in mind with that comment?
by The Duke Dude on May 13, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
no
It was kinda overly-prophetic, I guess.
What I mean is there is some guy who worked as a ditch digger his hole life that would have been the best player to ever play in the NFL. The stars just didn’t align for him and he never got his shot.
In relating that to Johnson vs Stewart, Johnson had 137 more carries in 2009, which is the only reason he had 800+ more yards than Stew. Johnson had the opportunity to rack up 2006 yards, Stewart was not given that same opportunity.
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+1 CJ is one dimensional, and will fall off very quickly because of it.
He’s a homerun back, nothing more, nothing less.
I understand how many yards he put up last season, but what good is that if you’re not getting into the endzone as often as you should be?
For his career Chris Johnson averages 0.037 touchdowns per carry. Essentially, this means that for every carry Johnson is scoring a touchdown every 27 carries.
In comparison, J-Stew averages 0.049 touchdowns per carry. This means he’s getting into the endzone every 20 carries. Extrapolate this out and on as many carries Stewart is getting 30 touchdowns to Johnson’s 23.
Chris Johnson could be the most overrated player in the NFL by a large margin, he’s like Ricky Williams in his prime- he’ll get all the yards but never be a factor because he doesn’t get the ball in the endzone enough.
When LaDanian Tomlinson had the same carries (10 less, actually) he had 28 rushing touchdowns to Johnson’s 14.
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One more point
I don’t see why Johnson could have been a factor returning kicks. He’s only done so once in his career for a pawltry 17 yards.
Stewart’s returned 17 kicks for an average of 21.5 yards.
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I love it when James gets fired up. There’s nothing better than a fired up Aussie. And yes, for some reason I read your posts with an accent, despite the fact that yours is all but gone after years in the states.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I get overly emotional about Chris Johnson
I had a co-worker who is a Titans fan who would constantly talk about how great he is compared to D-Will and J-Stew… so I apologize if I get hot under the collar over it.
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No need
I love it. And I completely agree with you. I think we have the best two backs in the league. You could say I have Panther’s goggles on, but when you watch some of their runs…they use speed, power, agility, deception, and they are both two of the best at using their blocks.
Do or do not. There is no try.
And they ARE the two best at breaking big runs to the outside, when the middle is clogged.
Can’t teach that intuition, and field vision.
i don’t think you do realize how many yards he put up last year, no. what is your definition of “falling off”? i don’t think a guy who racks up 2000 rushing yards and 500 receiving yards in a season is going to fall off into obscurity unless he has a string of major injuries.
it’s too hard to compare a change of pace back with a single full-time starter anyway. stewart is always fresher when he comes in. if stewart had to carry the ball as many times as johnson all season long, he may not do as well. johnson split carries his rookie year and didn’t do as well, but it’s hard to use rookie stats as a comparison to what a person’s full potential is.
i think they’re both great backs, but we’re not going to be able to keep deangelo and jonathan indefinitely unless they both decide to be underpaid just to remain on the same team. beason is coming up on a huge payday if patrick willis’ new contract is any indication. we still have to deal with new contracts for thomas davis, ryan kalil, and richard marshall. if matt moore has a big year he could be looking at a big pay increase. eventually they are going to have to pick between williams or stewart. if i had a choice between only keeping williams, stewart, or johnson i’d pick johnson every time. he has more talent, more ability in the passing game, and less injury issues.
by silver82blade on May 13, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Stewart was the first back AS A STARTER
To put up 100 yards on the Vikings in 3 years
Do or do not. There is no try.
CJ had 61 and a long of 9 in his only game against MIN...
granted it was in 2008.
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Pure speed backs with little elusiveness and strength don't last in the NFL... that's what I'm basing it on.
I said ‘he will fall off very quickly’ and he will. As soon as he loses 1/5th of his step he wont have the tools to be effective long term, power backs do.
Johnson YPC average is completely skewed because of his home run potential, he can’t be counted on to move the chains when he isn’t breaking the big one. Roughly 800 yards of his 2,006 came on carries over 20 yards… which is great, but when you take those 29 carries out of the equation he averages a pathetic 3.6 ypc.
So couple a poor ability to move the chains (low ypc) with a poor ability to get in the endzone (low touchdowns) and you have a guy who may have 2,000 yards on paper, but did little to help his team to win.
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Yeah you nailed it
In my offense CJ is a 3rd down guy, used primarily as a receiving-back.
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That's a bit extreme. He did run for 2,000 yards no matter how he put those numbers up.
He’s a legit superstar in this league.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
Now do that math on Deangelo
I’m sure you’ll have similar results, prob not as extreme… But much of his yards especially in 08 were from long runs.
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by ElBacano on May 13, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, I'll do Adrian Peterson to get another comparison
2008: 578 yards from 20 yard+ carries, ypc without: 3.48 ypc
2009: 305 yards from 20 yard+ carries, ypc without: 3.60 ypc
Note however, that I’m also a big believer that AP is overrated.
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Thanks James...
You completely said everything I had to say, so I can just +1 you instead of having to type it all out haha.
Without question, I’d take Stewart. I see him as a long term solution, whereas Johnson I still see as a ‘day-to-day’ back. As you mentioned, he could fall off quickly and, I believe, without any prior indication.
An interesting (I’d have to say statistically subjective, it’s a subjective formula but based solely on stats) article recently posted on ProFootballFocus.com lists Jonathan Stewart as the second-most elusive running back in the NFL. AP ranks 9th on the list, CJ outside of top 10. Chester Taylor is the worst.
I also don’t like the fact that the Titans had to commit to Johnson achieving 2,000 yards. When you have to dedicate extra carries to a back just to help him achieve a specified goal, I think something is wrong there. Had they not done so, CJ wouldn’t be in that 2k tier.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
by D-Ranged1 on May 13, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So then we all agree
We have either the top 2 backs in the league, the best rushing o-line in the league, or both. And the best part is… they’re young and should be around for awhile!
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little elusiveness? lol. ya, ok. i don’t think you’ve seen him play. his patented spin move that he uses all the time gets him out of tackles a lot. he’s also one of the best open field runners, weaving in and out of defenders. he has great vision to get through holes in the line. besides, power backs don’t automatically have more long-term potential. brandon jacobs sure didn’t. eric shelton was a power back. we all know how that went. power backs without speed are typically not very productive in today’s nfl. stewart has just enough speed to not become a pure inside the tackles runner. once he loses that, he’ll be the one that’s mediocre because linebackers and linemen will know the exact gap to hit.
i just think it’s laughable you still don’t think the guy is an elite back after that kind of season. you don’t have a 16 game fluke performance. that’s just ridiculous. when he loses 1/5th of his step, he’ll lose 1/5th of his production. to think he’ll fall from the most productive back to mediocrity is absurd. all you folks who agree with him are equally so. gimme a break.
by silver82blade on May 13, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If he gets out of tackles the way you say he does then his stats would show it… they don’t. He’s a 3.6 ypc guy when he doesn’t break a big run. He had 29 big runs in 2009, out of 358 carries.
Traditionally power backs have had more longevity than speed backs. Brandon Jacobs? Eric Shelton? Let’s look at some guys who have had careers longer than four seasons and in the case of Shelton he was horrible from day one, not a guy who was amazing and fell off the map.
Players regarded as Power backs in the last 20 years with over five 1,000 seasons
- Emmit Smith
- Jerome Bettis
- Eddie George
- Tiki Barber
- Fred Taylor
- Edgerrin James
- Jamal Lewis
- Thomas Jones
Players regarded as Speed backs in the last 20 years with over five 1,000 seasons
- Warrick Dunn
The term ‘power back’ doesn’t mean that every guy is Jerome Bettis, but it does refer to a pure North-South runner- which all of the aforementioned players are. East-West guys (like Chris Johnson) don’t have long or productive careers with Warrick Dunn being the exception.
In my opinion, Jonathan Stewart is flat out a better running back than Chris Johnson and he’s easily the guy I build my running game around if I have to choose one of the two. This is because he gets into the end zone with more frequency, and ultimately that’s what wins games. Johnson’s game is like his car, all flash and little substance when you scratch the surface.
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by James Dator on May 13, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention..
Williams and Stewart already average just .4 and .5 yards per carry, respectively, less than Johnson without all of that speed. So saying a back becomes mediocre by slightly losing something they don’t overly rely on already is a bit… absurd… Johnson, on the other hand, relies on that blazing speed of his.. and why not? It’s a gift. It’s just saying when he loses that, he’s losing a lot more than a guy that has other moves to rely on.
Jamal Charles averaged 5.9 yards per carry.. He would’ve had approximately 2,112 yards had the Cheifs pulled the same move as the Titans and purposely ran more just to get him above 2,000 yards, assuming his carries were the same as CJ’s… So is Charles a lesser back because his team chose a more balanced attack and he seen fewer carries (thus resulting in less yardage)? Or is he the best back in the NFL right now?
By the way (S82B), why is it that we must have never seen him play simply because we don’t agree with you?
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Marshall Faulk? Barry Sanders? You're missing some big name speed backs there James.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent point about Sanders. He sould be added with Warrick Dunn
I didn’t put Faulk because he was neither a North-South or East-West guy solely, like Tomlinson he did a bit of both which is why I left him out
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Johnson is neither of those guys. They were both highly elusive.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
He'll lose more than a fifth of his production when he loses a fifth of his step.
His entire game is based on speed. Every single thing he does is because he’s that half step faster than everyone else.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
You don't think the Titans aerial struggles had anything to do with it?
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Their inability to pass definitely hurt them
But Johnson should have scored more touchdowns for as a much as he touched the ball
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He's a homerun threat, no doubt.
But how many goalline carries did he get? That’s a huge part of a RB’s repertoire of scores. If Johnson got the goalline work, he’d have added five to six more scores.
Add in the fact that he got all of those yards while defense’s were focusing solely on him. Stew is good, and the more complete back, but Johnson is better.
Especially considering Stew has only had one thousand yard season.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 15, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't get many goalline carried because he's horrible at it
According to NFL.com’s situational stats Chris Johnson had 34 rushing attempts on the opponents 19-1 yard line and averaged a meager 1.8 yards per carry.
In fact, looking at the YPC situationally it tells a very interesting story, one where CJ is only good carrying the ball in his team’s half of the field:
Chris Johnson
Own 1-20: 9.0 ypc
Own 21-50: 6.0 ypc
Opp 49-20: 3.7 ypc
Opp 19-1: 1.8 ypc
So, this tells us that as Johnson is needed to move the ball more, and when the defense is buckling down more he becomes a worse runner. Now look at J-Stew on the same stats.
Jonathan Stewart
Own 1-20: 4.5 ypc
Own 21-50: 6.8 ypc
Opp 49-20: 5.1 ypc
Opp 19-1: 2.7 ypc
Stewart is better down the entire field, not just inside his own 20
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Hey, I didn't say he was good at it.
I said if he got it he’d have more scores. Which is why we can’t really compare Stew’s scores to his. Johnson is an electric weapon like Barry Sanders, someone you have to keep your eye on the entire time or he will bust you wide open. He’s the best in the league at what he does, there are other backs who are more complete, but none who have his scoring capability. Johnson can score from anywhere on the field, his ability to score from your own goalline should not be held against him.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 16, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, Johnson CAN score from anywhere on the field...
but he doesn’t really, not for the number of carries he gets.
He had 138 more carries than Jonathan Stewart…. 138!
He only scored 4 more touchdowns
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So?
Stew gets the goalline carries, that pretty much automatically gets him more scores.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 17, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Stewart did have more carries in the opponents 1-19 yard line (43 vs. Johnson’s 34) however, both Stewart and Johnson had 6 TDs in the 1-19 yard range.
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So Johnson is just as good scoring in the redzone as Stewart?
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 18, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting touchdowns in 2009, yes... better overall? No
In 2008 Johnson had 24 red zone carries for 6 TDs, Stewart had 27 red zone carries for 10 TDs.
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So in conclusion we can say Johnson is a hell of a back
and Stewart is more complete. I think this applies to Sniff’s three strike rule, so I’ll let your co-worker do the rest of the talking. ;)
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 19, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Williams and Stewart can score from anywhere on the field.
Most backs in the NFL can.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
Only one thousand yard season... AS A BACKUP!
Your argument clearly explains why Stewart is the better back, but then you end it with Johnson is better??? Johnson is really good at one dimension, Stewart is good at everything.
The fact that we are comparing Johnson to our backup RB says a lot in itself.
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Very true, Stew's on the same level as Johnson
Never said he wasn’t. But Johnson is better, see the post above.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 16, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He's going to fall off a cliff soon.
His ego demanded that he be the sole back in Tennessee. Those carries he’s racking up are going to take their toll sooner rather than later.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
I do believe OldhamA just made the best point in this post...
Chris Johnson is a speed back. He actually reminds me of Mike Vick’s early days, when defenders think they have the angle but come up short. BUT, every down backs have short careers. He wants to make his personal splash with gaudy numbers, and he has the talent to do that. But he won’t last (think Eric Dickerson).
That’s why Stewart is golden for us. He’s a punishing back, but he doesn’t play every series. With double trouble we get great RB production for years to come.
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Rick my friend, you are spot on point
Johnson is a heck of a weapon, and he will be for the next five years or so. Then when he’s falling off, Stewart will keep chugging for another three or four years. Which is why I would take our combo over Tennessee’s.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 17, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Stewart any day
Keep in mind he had over 1000 yards, as a BACKUP! Ok, maybe if we were drafting a kickoff specialist… yes I’d take Johnson. But we were uncertain about Williams and were looking for a power back with some speed. I’d much rather have Stewart as an every down back.
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I'd like em both....
In fact, pretty sure I have a Madden franchise with Stewie and CJ as my power and 3rd down backs…
Put CJ in the singleback and shotgun, with Stewie in any formation with a FB.
Do or do not. There is no try.
At the time, Johnson was regarded as #4 by most observers...
behind McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart, even though he was faster and better at almost all measurables at the Combine that year. Probably his being under 200 lbs, and coming from a small school were held against him. Goes to show ya.
That list has been completely reversed
I’m just glad we didn’t wind up with McFadden of Mendenhal
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
by ElBacano on May 13, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now if they can only figure out how to pick WRs
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
He was under 200lbs?! Good god.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
Stewart > Johnson
We saw what stewart could do on his own the last four games of the season, and that is DOMINATE. I’d take Stewart over Johnson everytime, and thats not me being a homer.
by SouthernPanther on May 13, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Stewart was the right type of back
We needed a bruiser to complement D-Will, Johnson is NOT a bruiser by any means. I am impressed with his between the tackle abilities for a man his size, but Stew blows him out of the water in that regard.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
How about Steve Jobs vs. Adobe's Chuck Geschke and John Warnock?
It is the off season
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Do we even need to answer that?
Nobody beats Chuck Norris. Nobody.
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Armanti Edwards once made Chuck Norris blink.
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+100000000000000000
This is the best comment ever. Period.
by The Duke Dude on May 14, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly...
…you’ve never watched “Way of the Dragon” where Bruce Lee totally owned Chuck Norris. :-)
Neither beats.... THE ENTIRE CAST OF THE GOLDEN GIRLS
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Love the Golden Girls
Totally great pic. LOL.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on May 14, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bea Arthur is not someone I'd want to meet in a dark alley...
I have always suspected her of juicing.
"Stay thirsty my friends"
Especially because...
…that would make her a juicing zombie now.
shudders
OMG... you're right. Imagine zombies on steroids...
Faster, stronger, meaner…Zombroid Rage. There could be a movie in this.
"Stay thirsty my friends"
How about Nehi Orange vs. Cactus Cooler
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Never had a Cactus Cooler, so I can't fairly judge...
But I have put down a fair share of Nehi sodas in my life (Grape is my favorite Nehi though).
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Me either...
But Cactus Cooler threw for more calories in college, although Nehi did have a better gas passer rating. But both run down a leg when in a pocket. Will be interesting to see how they both belch out.
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H2O is better
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
This is the South... It's Sundrop vs. Cheerwine!
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Cheerwine FTW
I like Sundrop too, but Cheerwine all the way for me.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Don't forget Dairy Queens
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
I have much love for Dairy Queen...
especially the soft serve cone dipped in chocolate that instantly turns hard, my like me.
"Stay thirsty my friends"
we are totally overlooking Cake vs. Pie
Who would you draft?
Or….
Personally… If we are talking JUST about desserts… I draft Cake. HOWEVER… if we are expanding pies to include pizza, chicken pie, shepherds pie, etc. I am totally drafting Pie for its versatility.
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LMAO!
Wow – dude this made me seriously LOL.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Yall watch too many movies
Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people" - Eleanor Roosevelt
Pie drinks cake's milkshake
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com
Why not just have our cake
and eat pie too?
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the best blog. Seriously.
And IMO, Cake FTW.
by The Duke Dude on May 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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