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Thomas Davis has shown up to mini-camp and participated fully in practice.
Editor's note: The good news doesn't stop with Davis. Chandler also describes Clausen as "look(ing) sharp and accurate with his throws" and Armanti Edwards as "show(ing) very good, soft hands, catching most everything thrown to him.". On the downside LaFell dropped some passes and Richard Marshall was a no show - JtA
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OMG THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!
Wow I feel sooo much better now. What did he just like forget to sign his tender?
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Must have been waiting
Panthers LB Thomas Davis has signed his tender and did participate in Friday’s practice.
From:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/CAR/carolina-panthers?tag=pageRow;pageContainer
That is, indeed, great news!
And it appears Steve Smith is putting Mr. Clausen to good use..
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
haha
classic…gotta love Steve and I’m glad to see Jimmy’s ego isn’t to big for a little rookie hazing…
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there anywhere you can get footage of minicamp?
Panthers.com has about 2 mins, and I really wanna see whats up
Where did you read that?
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http://www.digtriad.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=82308603001#/QB+Matt+Moore+Interview+At+Mini%2DCamp/82308603001
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When he says:
“I dunno if there is anymore room in the quarterback room”. Didn’t seem pleased
by jojoisthemann on Apr 30, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He was joking about that, after Pike was brought up/
I didn’t see him as pissed at all. He seemed confident to me. Keep in mind he was never in a position to give interviews last year – it’s new to him. All that said, I think he handled himself well. He said he hadn’t met Clausen, but thought he was a quality kid, and looked forward to meeting him.
From a perspective of discussing any competition between them, Moore alluded to experience as a valuable asset he’d gained, implying Clausen would have to pay his dues, too, to gain it.
I wouldn’t make too much of it — he looked eager to be playing again.
by bigdavis on Apr 30, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
He was obviously a bit unfamiliar with the whole feeding of the wolves (talking to the media) thing but I think he did well also. I felt the interview could be construed many different ways when I watched it this morning if one really wanted to read into it but I think that was due to it being a fairly new thing to him, as you mentioned.
Overall, I have to echo your sentiment…
“I wouldn’t make too much of it”
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Was just my take on his interview on Panthers.com
http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Matt-Moore-Interview/9f84f327-1598-4f62-a7e3-c69eed7563b7
I got the vibe that he wasn’t entirely happy
by jojoisthemann on Apr 30, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly... he doesn't seem to be towing the party line.
He better keep that in check and worry about playing. I’m sorry he wont be handed the job out of the gate, but it is what it is.
You can say ‘he earned it last season’ until the cows come home, but in reality the team needs to go with whoever looks best whether that be Moore, Clausen, Pike or Cantwell.
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Let me add too...
That it pissed me off a little the way he talked about Clausen. Granted, he may not have had the media training Jimmy had, but Clausen was singing Moore’s praises in his post draft interview talking about how he was a high school legend in California.
Then Moore acts like a flippant douchebag when talking about Clausen…. it rubbed me the wrong way
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I've lost a lot of respect for him after watching that interview.
He seemed resentful and defensive, particularly when he was asked about Pike, saying that "I dunno if there is anymore room in the quarterback room". His statements about Clausen at the end grated on me too.
by jojoisthemann on Apr 30, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Panther's vow to expand QB Room, it is getting a little crowded
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Let's ask the WRs if their room is 'a little crowded'
Smith, Jarrett, LaFell, Moore, Edwards, Gettis, Martin, Wright
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That's what TC is for, isn't it?
It’ll all get sorted out by the players on the field.
Let's not read too much into it
I’ll give him the benefit of doubt here. Being the incumbent, I would rather see him out on his game-face to say that he is not going simply step aside for Clausen. I maybe wrong but that seems to what he is trying to project.
Clausen has just gotten there – I think it is wise of Moore to not say too much at the moment. It will take some time before everyone gets comfortable – there is no need to get annoyed by it at this stage,
Add to that, it does appear as if MM is not too comfortable with the media yet.
Go watch it again. How would you have replied, had you been him?
He wasn’t “pissed off,” and you all shouldn’t be. He said he’ll do whatever is asked of him.
When you type the words, “I dunno if there is anymore room in the QB room,” it sure READS as pissed off, but if you LISTENED to him say it, he was light-hearted and joking about it.
Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.
+1
i feel like that is exactly whats going on
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd appreciate if you don't assume I'm characterizing anyone as anything
The term I used was ‘flippant’ which I don’t think anyone can say wasn’t the case with Moore in this interview.
I only used the term ‘pissed off’ if reference to myself, and again when someone described Moore as ‘frustrated’.
This isn’t some high school clique, or a Twilight fan club meeting to me- there isn’t any ‘Team Moore’ vs. ‘Team Clausen’ as far as I’m concerned. I only care about the Panthers as a whole.
Am I excited about the drafting of Jimmy Clausen? Absolutely.
Have I ever been sold on Matt Moore 100%? No, I haven’t.
But this is the glory of training camp. It would take a serious misstep on Moore’s part, or a ridiculous preseason from Clausen to unseat Moore as the day-1 starter, and that’s the way it should be. Matt Moore gives the Carolina Panthers the best chance to win in 2010, and depending on how the 2010 campaign goes he may be the best choice for the future.
Who am I to declare anyone should replace anyone? Let’s not forget, I was one of the few who advocated Jake remain the starter after week one; and right or wrong I stand by that decision- so it’s certainly not an issue of loyalty.
Personally, I find it odd that the same people chiding the Jimmy Clausen selection are the same who are now saying Moore was 100% normal in this interview. He clearly wasn’t, compare his tone with any other player’s tone and you can see that. I’m not ready to say that the Panthers’ drafting was the sole reason for his apathy and flip attitude in the interview, but it remains that his attitude was apathetic and flip. I just wish I saw some enthusiasm out of him.
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by James Dator on Apr 30, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I never thought I'd see a Twilight analogy at CSR
You have officially scarred me for life James, thanks. :-)
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Whoa - don't go lecturing me.
I’ll assume you’re characterizing (anyone as anything) when you specifically state his attitude was apathetic and flip.
That may be your interpretation, but it obviously isn’t universal, as several posters other than I have come out and said contrary.
You admit you’ve never been 100% sold on Moore, and you admit you preferred Delhomme to him – could not those ingrained biases have colored your subjective interpretation of how you saw Moore’s "body language, etc? Just be open-minded about it. That’s all I ask. You were inaccurate about what he said; could you not also have been inaccurate about how you judge his feelings?
Attitudes come and go... but by definition 'characterizing'
to mark or distinguish as a characteristic
Given that personally I have never seen apathetic or flip behavior from Matt Moore I don’t believe it’s a ‘characteristic’ of his personality. If fact, I would call it ‘uncharacteristic’ which is why it surprised me to much.
I’m not lecturing anyone, I’m not giving any life lessons… I appreciate that everyone has a different opinion on the matter. Meanwhile (correct me if I’m wrong) you don’t appreciate that there could be another way to see this video other than your own judging by your rapid and virulent rebuttal of anyone who doesn’t agree with your point of view, or labeling them in such a manor which is tantamount to calling them ‘uninformed’ or ‘uneducated’ hence the repeated calls for people to ‘watch it again’ as if we didn’t understand the video the first, second or third times.
In reference to the claim that I have some inherent bias towards Matt Moore, it is both obscene and ridiculous. ‘Not being sold on someone’ isn’t equivalent to wishing for failure. My above comment regarding Delhomme was specifically relegated to post week one, 2009 alone. Feel free to real any of my articles post-Buffalo and tell me where I didn’t advocate a QB change.
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by James Dator on Apr 30, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see...how can I take the high road here? Hmm.
We both see ourselves as wordsmiths, and could probably parse and debate til dawn.
But I quit. I see your point. Wish you could see mine.
My urging a re-watching of the interview was 2 part: 1) to ask you and jojo to see if it might stike you differently, after seeing it through my eyes, and 2) some posters here were asking about it, having said they hadn’t or couldn’t view it themselves. I wanted them to decide for themselves, after gaining first hand knowledge. I in no way called or implied that anyone was uneducated (though uninformed would be correct in some cases.)
My opinion...
For what it’s worth, I didn’t read too much in the Matt Moore interview. And, yes, I watched it. Moore strikes me as someone who probably isn’t that enthused with the pick of both Clausen and Pike and what it portends for his own future. He probably thought he had finally found his big break with the release of Jake and then got thrown this curveball because of how the draft just happened to shake out.
He acknowledges the Panthers took these guys because they’re clearly good and were the best players available on the board at the time. He did his best to field the questions he had to know were coming from the reporters. He wants to compete. He knows he’s going to have to…but he’s not going to say that in the course of the interview and feed a bunch of articles that will magnify the QB battle in Carolina.
Even so, I would have to say that his answers (and attempts to make light of things), body language, and facial expressions weren’t exactly happy-go-lucky. But then, no one should expect them to be. He knows what’s on the line for his career. He’s finally got an opportunity to be a starting QB in the NFL and not just the backup who came in for a starter because of injury or poor performance. To expect him to react with massive enthusiasm would be misguided, in my opinion. But he also didn’t strike me as full-blown petulant about the situation either. He knows he’s got an uphill battle to compete. He probably likes his chances. But he also knows he’s going to have to deal with the media in a way he never has before…particularly on this topic…and in the midst of his attempts to compete with the other guys.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
by NSpicer on May 1, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I second Neils post
I know personally that if I was playing well and thought I had locked up a job, someone throwing cold water on that dream wouldn’t be received well. Add to that Moore’s relative inexperience with the media, and you have something that we can magnify in this slow part of the season.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 1, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 to Neil and a nod to James as well...
Moore clearly was uncomfortable, and he did come off as apathetic — certainly didn’t display any excitement. I think it was “I wish they’d get the cams and mikes out of my face,” that was more body language than anything. But, to Neil’s point, who can blame him? He got a rough deal, and has to make the most of it.
We should make T-Shirts
Team Moore and Team Clausen, I love it!
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 1, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a Clausen fan..
Did I like the pick? Yes. Do I believe that Moore should be favoured as the starter day one? Yes. It was just my interpretation of the interview, no need to jump all over me for that.
by jojoisthemann on May 1, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
When I say "I lost respect"
i don’t mean i no longer like the guy, he just ain’t the shining light i thought of him before
by jojoisthemann on May 1, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I will ask you direct then...
When you say, “I lost a lot of respect for him” – which to me is a pretty harsh judgment – what do you mean?
I’ll ask again – a question nobody seems willing to answer – What exactly would you have said differently, had you been in his cleats, and his situation, answering those exact questions? I mean we (the public) give a pass to athletes who lie, break the law, cheat, rape(?) and everything else – as long as they read a prepared statement, written by their agent or lawyer…yet we hold this 26 year old who’s never done anything wrong, is happily and loyally married, and came off the bench and led his team to surprise victories the end of last year, who’s had to answer repeated questions – not about his play, but about being “concerned about” rookie competition from guys who’ve never set foot on an NFL field (just imagine just how bad it would have been had we signed a vet FA!) – and he smiles, tries to crack a joke, says they’re “quality guys”, never loses his patience with the dork questioner…..and you say, “I lost a lot of respect for him.”
This is a kid we should all be PROUD to have on our team. He’s actually WON some damn games for us. How many have Clausen or Pike won yet?
So again…can you tell me why, and what YOU would have done differently, had this been YOU in his cleats?
ok
I spoke too soon, my immediate reaction to that interview was that he rubbed me the wrong way. My choice of words was unfortunate apparently and I do apologize if I have offended you or anybody else on this blog in any way. And I am proud to have Matt Moore on this team, I was pulling for a QB change all of last season and my reaction to this interview has nothing to do with me being a Clausen homer, which I am not.
But I stand by my opinion about his attitude and it rubbed me the wrong way, hence my unfortunate choice of words.
by jojoisthemann on May 1, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
what did he say about Clausen?
I can’t watch the video
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 30, 2010 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It wasn't anything he said,
but he had a very flippant attitude toward the questions about Clausen, in comparison Clausen sang Moore’s praises after the draft. Moore didn’t seem at all enthused that Clausen was with the Panthers or at the opportunity of working with and meeting him.
by jojoisthemann on Apr 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
wow I am surprised
I thought Moore would have more character. Well he is going to make it easy to swallow if he gets benched.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 30, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't jump that fast..
That was an awfully one-sided answer you got to your question. For starters, I’ve never seen Moore work the mic like a pro before, so I wouldn’t expect him to know all the ‘right’ answers now. Moore never spoke badly of Clausen, Pike, or any other QB on the roster. He wasn’t jumping around with enthusiasm, and I really wouldn’t expect to him be. If you were in that situation, what are you going to say? “Yeah, he’s great, I’ve seen all of his games. I think he should be our starter week 1.” He admitted to not knowing very much of the guy (and I, personally, don’t expect him to follow every young college QB closely when he has his own priorities). Oh, and he made a half-witted joke about the amount of QB’s we currently have (considering we have 4, I’d have to say, once again, he was just being honest).
If anything, the interview lacked a lot of emotion. Whatever emotion each individual viewer thought it was that was not there is going to determine how they seen the video. If one thought enthusiasm was the missing key, then Moore came off bitter. If one thought joy was missing, then he came off angry. That could go on forever. Personally, I seen a man that was slightly winded from practice answering questions to the best of his ability, and honestly. I mean, if he has never seen really Clausen play, why would he act as if he had?
Anyways, I’ve not yet had to pleasure of reading the debate below this section, so most of this could have very well been covered already.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
And STEVEN's reply, after saying he hadn't/couldn't watch the video, was Part 2 of why I've been so hot about this...
I was encouraging readers to see it and judge for themselves, and not accept the snap judgments from others, who were assigning various “disrespectful” adjectives to his tone, demeanor, and body language.
Thanks for clearing it up though Dranged and BigD
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by STEVEN 785 on May 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Basically the interviewed asked what he knew about Jimmy Clausen. He responded with (and don’t quote me verbatum)
“Honestly, I don’t know a lot about him. I’ve seen him on ESPN and stuff like that. He must be pretty good to start at Notre Dame 3 or 4, or whatever years. I know I played against his brother in high school”
But like jojo said, it was the attitude it was said with.
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Honestly I didn't see attitude
Maybe that’s just how he talks to the media. I remember the interview he did (the one where smitty is joking in the background) and even then he wasn’t very suave and accommodating in his answers. He might just not have that media savvy nature that some QBs have. He’s always seemed kind of quiet, less assertive and vocal than we’re used to with Delhomme. I think the Pike comment was his attempt at a joke cause he smirks a little. Who knows maybe the QB room is tiny?
I’m going to reserve my judgement about his atitude until later in the summer after he’s had a full taste of QB competition. Let’s see how he acts in interviews after the media has forced a ‘QB controversy’ down his throat for a few months.
James, you weren't watching or listening too closely.
The comments here are getting out of hand, and will surely lead readers who can’t access the link (which is also available on Panthers.com, and I urge all to listen to it on your own) to think badly of Moore, because of some bias James and jojoisthemann have.
James, to demonstrate how flip you’re being, let me point out Moore never said he played vs Clausen’s brother. What he DID say is that Clausen played HS football against his (Moore’s) brother. Your inaccuracy there is not even CLOSE to verbatim.
So for the benefit of those who can’t view the interview, I’ll make some direct quotes:
(Clausen’s) “a pretty good guy, and available. No reaction, really. Look forward to meeting him. (As to Pike:) …needed another guy; he was the best available…good guys…excited to have ’em here.”
(Is it concerning to you at all?) “No — I’ve been in every possible situation since I’ve been here… I’m not concerned… Everything’s going to come down to performance on the field…(about Clausen:) I know the kid can play…a quality guy…he played HS FB against my brother.”
Now where’s anything in that to cause anybody to lose respect for Moore, I ask you?
If anybody here is asked what they think about the new guy that’s just been hired to maybe replace you, are you gonna be any MORE gracious than Moore was?
yeah
i feel like he deserves his chance, and people already want him to mentor clausen and bow down the starting job to him. Good for Moore for wanting to compete, he said good stuff. I don’t see where people are drawing all these conclusions that Moore is being a douche towards jimmy.
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe I ever said I 'lost respect for him'
I just said it ‘rubbed me the wrong way’ and that it ‘pissed me off’ which is still does.
So honestly, cut the bias argument, because I could easily turn it back on you.
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by James Dator on Apr 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you called him a "flippant douchebag."
I apparently was wrong in equating that to a loss of respect.
Anyway, I’ve made my point, and really only want posters here to watch the interview themselves, and make their own evaluations. I thought you and jojo went overboard in condemning (my word, I know you didn’t use it) Moore, and wanted to show another reaction to it.
I know you and I only want the best for the Panthers, so let’s shake.
Go Panthers!
I can get pissed off with people, but it takes a large amount to lose my respect.
I have been insanely pissed of with Steve Smith before in some of his actions, but I never lost respect in him.
Truth be told, I have only ever lost respect in three Panthers:
- Kerry Collins
- Rae Carruth
- Julius Peppers
I booted up that video expecting a fiery, enthusiastic, almost giddy Matt Moore based on his level of enthusiasm when he signed his tender. Maybe I had too high expectations, and maybe I don’t fully understand his mindset at the time of the interview, but I still really don’t like his attitude. I intentionally gave myself over 6 hrs before watching the video again in case I was being harsh based on a long work week, etc… but after watching it three more times my opinion didn’t change.
I just hope the next time we hear from Moore I see an attitude that’s more pleasing to me, and I understand the self importance enclosed in that statement.
Until then, I agree, let’s shake, call of the dogs and never allow me to make a Twilight reference again.
GO PANTHERS!
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by James Dator on Apr 30, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
…I’d say your expectations were probably a bit too high for what you’d expect from someone in Matt Moore’s situation. But I also don’t think his reaction was that overblown either. He handled the questions about as well as I thought he would. Not great, but could have been worse. There’s a lot of reading between the lines that people can probably do…and much of it would probably be correct. But, to Matt’s credit, he didn’t show his full thoughts on the matter. Nor should he.
Dually noted
It also has to be mentioned that I’ve (we all have) been conditioned on 7 years of Jake Delhomme interviews, where it seems like someone could be putting one of his horses’ heads in a movie director’s bed and he still seems enthused and excited to just be part of the organization.
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Good point to bring up, about Jake, and his good ol' boy attitude.
But Jake’s made tens of millions by now, and Moore’s just not quite so comfortable in his new starter’s cleats yet, and hasn’t invested in his new stable of thoroughbreds yet. I say we give him time, and cut him some slack in the meantime, and see how he does, before we become so judgmental, and pick apart some perceived hidden mean in the tone of his voice, or how he shifts his weight.
I wish we had a video of Jake’s first interview, so we could see if he had perfected that easy-going laid-back Louisiana charm of his – from the get-go. But then I don’t remember if we drafted 2 college prospects, the first year he took over, either.
And just one more thing…how do you figure that Moore is NOT still enthused and excited to just be part of the organization? He talked about the good stuff – the getting back on the field with all the guys, etc. He even said he was looking forward to meeting these two “quality” guys.
I sounded testy there - didn't mean to be.
I’m frankly just befuddled at how so much was made of how he “seemed” to come across, subjectively.
To be fair...
Almost everything we talk about on this board is subjective at this point. :-) I for one don’t think any less of Matt. I’m sure any of us would be feeling exactly the way he is right now. Some people are just upset that he showed it a little bit.
I mostly think he should have been much better prepared. Now to be fair, I’m sure Matt did not have the grooming that Clausen did regarding how to speak well extemporaneously, etc. but that’s no excuse to be unprepared. As I said before though, I’m sure Matt will learn from this and do better the next time.
I think we can all agree that, we hope Matt goes out on the field and kills this year. That would put any QB controversy to bed. That would be great for Matt’s career and might allow the Panthers to trade Matt in the future if Clausen is everything he is hyped to be.
To be fair...
Almost everything we talk about on this board is subjective at this point. :-) I for one don’t think any less of Matt. I’m sure any of us would be feeling exactly the way he is right now. Some people are just upset that he showed it a little bit.
I mostly think he should have been much better prepared. Now to be fair, I’m sure Matt did not have the grooming that Clausen did regarding how to speak well extemporaneously, etc. but that’s no excuse to be unprepared. As I said before though, I’m sure Matt will learn from this and do better the next time.
I think we can all agree that, we hope Matt goes out on the field and kills this year. That would put any QB controversy to bed. That would be great for Matt’s career and might allow the Panthers to trade Matt in the future if Clausen is everything he is hyped to be.
I imagine MM went on a roller coaster ride
Just not at Carowinds. :-) I’m sure we all remember how NUTS this place went when we selected Clausen. I know I went crazy since I personally wanted to see Tate as a panther. I imagine it was much the same only much worse at the MM household since we’re talking about his team and his dream. But yeah, the guy is a professional. He should have been a lot better prepared for the interview…
thanks
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by STEVEN 785 on May 1, 2010 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't want to be a Matt Moore homer by any regard.
But honestly, I don’t see how you can look at that interview and come out with the impression that he’s bashing on Jimmy Clausen. He didn’t say anything bad about Matt Moore, and he didn’t sing his praises. But bashing him on the way he answered the questions instead of what he said itself is overcritical at the very least. We’re all humans, and we all have feelings. He’s probably pretty pissed to get to mini-camp and see that the coaching staff are trying to replace him already, and you know what I don’t blame him. It goes counter to what they did with Jake Delhomme his entire career.
But he did everything I would expect a player like that to do in that situation. He kept his words and attitude in check and he didn’t say anything that would damage himself, his career, or the integrity of Panthers organization. I wouldn’t ask for anything else. In the end, Matt Moore is the most talented QB on the roster and he will start Day 1.
“Right now he’s the No. 1 quarterback,” Fox said. "Those guys will decide that, not me. I felt real comfortable with Matt at the end of last season. I thought he showed improvement in both seasons he’s had an opportunity to play. We’ll see where that takes us.
That’s per Rotoworld. There you have it. That’s my two cents.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
He didn't say anything bad about him I mean.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I think he was just upset
completely understandable, although I do think he could have handled the interview better. After sitting behind Delhomme for so long, it’s not surprising for him to be upset when we went with a QB with our first pick. When I talked to him a couple weeks ago, he didn’t seem like a jerk at all, in fact, you wouldn’t expect to hear those words from him. I think he’ll definitely handle himself better in the next interview.
He wasn't upset at all.
You guys that think so are seeing faces in the clouds.
He’s the incumbent. He was gracious, called them quality guys, understood we needed other QB’s, said they were the best available.
Damn! He wasn’t upset, but I am. Show some class, guys.
You does, fo' sho'.
He just didn’t come across as “upset” to me – winded maybe, or eager to get back on the field (or off it?) but I thought he was patient, given all the questions concerned his possible replacement.
Sorry to lump you in the “you guys” category.
Yeah, I guess people had different takes on the interview
It’s great that he didn’t come across as upset to some of us. I guess I meant if he came across as upset to some others (including myself) I just wanted to reassure them that he had no ill feelings towards Clausen. I didn’t see any red flags when he was sitting behind Delhomme the last couple of seasons
i honestly didnt see anything bad in this interview...
…bit im biased…i love me some Moore
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying Rev, but it still rubbed me the wrong way.
First day of mini camp is essentially day one of the 2010 season, and I would rather see Moore excited about the season than frustrated with the notion of Clausen.
For me, I would rather a guy say all the wrong things and feel differently than a guy who says all the right things but whose tone and body language screams everything else.
I understand we’re going into the season with Moore the heavy favorite to start the season, as it should be. However, if for some reason Clausen does win the job, the attitude I saw from Moore in this interview did not seem like a player who would be looking over plays on the sideline with Clausen as Jake did for him, he looked like a Duante Culpepper type who pouted on the sideline and did nothing to help the team as a whole.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, maybe he hasn’t had the right media training or just had a bad day (curiously no reports about how Moore threw today) but it raised a red flag for me when I was expecting the same enthusiasm when he signed his tender.
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I think a lot of it has to do with the serious business of the competition during Minicamp.
You’ve got to remember, the guy is pretty much competing for his job right now. It’s not really a situation where he can actually run around and smile like he’s done in the past when Jake is the #1 guy. The tender is different. It was more of a statement where the Panthers are going out there and saying “Hey Moore, you’re our guy. Go take us to a Super Bowl. We love you very much!” No doubt he’s going to be happy about that.
But with an open competition, especially in mini-camp on the first day, I can imagine that he’s consistently going out and putting every effort to do what he does best, because if he drags his ass around he knows it’s going to be his job on the line.
Media training has a lot to do with it too. He never learned that kind of stuff during the start of his career. The story was always “Jake Delhomme is our starter, period, end of story.” He’s not had any experience with it.
However, if by some strange act of God that Clausen could battle through his toe surgery, fight through the John Fox’s preference for veterans, and outwit Matt Moore’s familiarity of the offensive scheme so that he can start for this team, then Matt should be traded. He probably wouldn’t be able to take standing on the sidelines like that, I agree. They would also lose me as a fan though, because I would never support a team that would throw their loyal players to the side like that unless Matt Moore just totally tanks during Training Camp and the Preseason, or does something stupid off the field.
Mostly, I think he’s just on edge. It’s the first day of training camp, and he’s trying to show the coach he’s a better QB. That’s something I don’t mind him being serious business about. ^^
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I feel like a lot of fans are getting caught up in the media attention and hype of Clausen
and have already forgotten how good moore was for us last year
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
James, you're waiting for Moore to fail, aren't you? Be honest.
“Frustrated”? How’d he seem frustrated?
How’d his “body language” scream to you, exactly? He never moved, and he was smiling throughout repetitive questions that were, as much as anything, designed to bait him. (“Are you concerned?”, asked his interviewer) BS – why should he be concerned?
Pouted?? Where’d you get that from?
Rubbed you the wrong way?? Red flag?? WTF?
Man, you are the antithesis of a Moore homer. You are bordering on hater.
When he signed his tender
he thought he had done everything humanly possible to win the job here in Carolina. And they had just cut Jake. He probably felt really confident that he would have the job. Now, he just had the rug violently pulled out from under him not even a week ago, and you expect him to be all happy go lucky? This is his big break, being a team player is well and good, but ultimately this is a job, and you’re in it to make money. Clausen is a significant obstacle in his path.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 1, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
All very true.
And yet…did he say, “get out of my face, I’m #1, don’t need no Clausen here, he not da man, I be da man!”
He’s just not experienced being in front of a mike – maybe he was a little raw in that milieu – give him time.
At the same time though
The team never once guaranteed Moore that he would be starting day one. Before they cut Jake they said it would be an open competition, and after the cut Jake they still said they wouldn’t rule out bringing in other quarterbacks to compete with more.
The way I see it he still has his ‘big break’ he’s getting to compete for a starting job when this time last year he was a 3rd stringer.
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Different Take
Hard to tell guys. He seemed more frustrated with the line of questioning. I think the guy just wants to get on the field. Completely agree he seemed a little off, but also don’t want to overanalyze him and make something there that’s not. Thanks for putting the link up. I’m ready for some Panthers football!
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by Schrute Bucks on Apr 30, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand being frustrated... but if I'm Matt Moore which question do I think I'm going to be bombarded with for the next 4 months?
If he’s getting pissed off the first time it’s being asked he’s going to snap by June.
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True
We’ll see how he channels it. He hasn’t had to answer a lot of tough questions yet as a pro. Either he’ll snap and we’ll see Clausen or he’ll be awesome. I like those two options. And yes, I am conveniently ignoring any possible failure by both QBs.
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by Schrute Bucks on Apr 30, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You're the one calling him frustrated. He didn't say he was, nor show it, IMO.
Maybe you EXPECT him to be, and that’s why you see it that way.
Watch it again, and see if you can view it from the standpoint of a guy who either just got OFF the field, or wants to get ON it, and then some bozo starts asking him questions to get a reaction out of him. Was there a single question about how good did it feel to be back out there (which is how he tried to steer his answers)?
He’s no experienced talking head. Give him a break.
I didn't call him 'frustrated'
I said ‘I can understand being frustrated’ in reference to Schrute Bucks comment.
Stop trying to make this all about Me vs. Moore… it’s getting old.
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by James Dator on Apr 30, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Personally I don’t mind seeing Moore with a little bit of a chip on his shoulder… It is probably good for his play.
Consider though that everyone here has been saying they want Clausen to play with a chip on his shoulder etc. and how that will be great for his game. Now when Matt shows a little chipiness people are aghast. The only reason people are upset is that Matt can’t / won’t give you the big schmooze like Clausen does. Clausen gives you what you expect out of a sports star, Matt gave you errr something different. :-D
I guarantee you Clausen wants to bury Moore in camp and you know Moore wants to do the same to Clausen. Matt is just being a less politically correct and suave than Clausen at this point. Yes, Matt should have had a better response and could have handled it better in any case.
I know you’re not supposed to complain and talk out of school, but I have a hard time getting very upset about this kind of thing. Personally, I don’t mind seeing a little bit of a testiness out of Moore since it has been missing from his game IMO (as long as it isn’t carried too far).
Did YOU watch the interview, either??
What testiness? What chippiness? How could he have handled it any better??
Did he not call Clausen “quality” at least two times? Did he not say he was looking forward to meeting him?
What"better response" would you have him make?
(And I really want a reply from you guys who think he was chippy/testy/frustrated. What – if you had been in his exact situation – say any better? Tell me. Please.)
C'mon dude...
You’re asking me if I watched the interview because I disagree? I’ll break it down for you why I think he was a little chippy:
1. When Matt said he didn’t think much of it (we assume it = drafting QBs) he said he didn’t think much of it. Quite dismissive of what is obviously a big deal and completely absurd which immediately drew me in to see what else he might say because I did not buy that for one second.
2. Note that when discussing the draft, he called Pike (an obvious non threat to MM) “the best available”, while damning Clausen with faint praise as only a “pretty good guy and he was available”.
3. The comment about not having enough room in the QB room was an obvious shot at the coaches for drafting so many QBs, while trying be veil it under the guise of a joke.
4. While he did say, “I know the kid can play.”, immediately thereafter referring to him starting “three years or four years or whatever he did at Notre Dame.” Again, a back handed compliment.
5. Also, look at his body language. It is terrible. He is constantly looking away, shifting around, etc. Smirks at inappropriate times (like describing the QB drafts). All in all a terrible interview.
I could tell you all the things I would have said differently if you’d really like to hear it, but they would be my words, not something Matt would have said.
That's what I asked for - your words.
Not the reasons for your very subjective interpretation of what he may or may not have been feeling or intending.
When you assign hidden intent, with terms such as "dismissive, damning with faint praise, an obvious shot, veil(ing it) under the guise of a joke, back-handed, shifting, smirking — you are sitting in judgment of a 26 year-old, new to the limelight, who may mean very different things (or more probably may mean nothing at all, but what you hear) from what you infer. In fact, the more I think of it, he probably had NOTHING behind his answers — he may be a dim bulb for all I know, intellectually. But I don’t think he had sinister or ironic intent, as you ascribe.
On second thought, you don’t have to. Your responses (or mine) would be as carefully considered and scripted as most athletes pressers are, whereas Moore had no preparation to make politically correct answers to baiting questions.
You did ask, “What testiness? What chippiness?” which was what I was primarily answering. :-)
I think calling him sinister is waay overboard. Certainly, it’s something I would never do. At most I would say he was trying to make some subtle wry jokes.
The point is that Matt is a professional and should have been well prepared for these questions which he obviously was not. He should have had thought about what his answers should be well ahead of time. Also, saying Matt is not used to the limelight is a bit of a cop out in this case. We’re not talking about him being interviewed in front of a panel of experts at ESPN or something. This is just one reporter asking some incendiary type questions. Nothing he hasn’t seen a many times.
Hopefully he will learn from this situation and do better next time. I’m sure he will. :-)
Guess I'll throw my 2 cents in...
We didn’t get to see what transpired before the clip started, but the clip started out with what we have to assume is this question “What was your reaction when CP drafted Clausen?” He (my paraphrasing) answered that he knew a QB would be selected at some point and with a little smirk said “He’s a pretty good guy” meaning “yeah, I know the hype and I know why you asked that question” and then said he was excited to get on the field and meet him. So far so good.
Question 2: Ok, you didn’t bite on question 1 about Clausen, “So what about when they took Pike after that?” Again, my paraphrasing. Yeah, at that point we had me, media boy, Cantwell, not sure we needed another one, but yeah, they picked him up as the BPA at that spot. His attempt at a joke maybe was close to crossing the line, but again, so far so good.
Question 3: “So, it’s no concern to you?” (another question designed to get him to speak out against the drafted QB’s) Again paraphrasing,.. No, I had to sit behind Jake the INT machine Delhomme, I played well when I got my chance and we’ll let the play on the field decide who the best for the job is. Still, so far so good.
Question 4: “What do you think Jimmy’s game is?” I’ve seen his highlights, he’s a good QB, you wouldnt start for a major program if you weren’t. But I really don’t study college QB’s. We’ll see how all that translates to the NFL now that he’s here. Still good.
Question 5: “Have you ever met him?” No, moron, I’m 4 years older than him, you congenital idiot, but he did play against my brother, and yes, I know all about the hype he’s gotten coming out of college. Stated alot more eloquently, so still, so far so good.
Question 6: “In terms of (pause) (drunken reporter slur) with him?” Great, next.
Question 7: “Talk about your strengths on the field” Yeah, I’ve been in the league, I’ve actually started some games, yes, I too can make all the throws, I’ve got confidence in myself and I’ll take that onto the field. Yep, still good.
Question 8: “… how does it feel to start out a season as the QB1…?” After how I finished, I feel like I deserve it, we keep doing what we did the last 5 games after I came in, we’ll be just fine. Still ok in my book.
Question 9: “How do you translate that experience to the field?” I started I won, I know the NFL speed, I’ve been ahead in games, I’ve been behind, I know how to play the game, and I think I have the trust of my fellow players. Still good.
I didn’t see anything other a young man that didn’t get baited into doing anything unprofessional. He handled the interview pretty well in my opinion. In summary, this is what he said "You guys ask all the questions you want about the QB competition, it’s going to come down to productivity on the field and that’s all I’m concerned with.
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good breakdown there sniff
totally agree…i didn’t see anything wrong with the interview either
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
People wanna turn football into a male soap opera and try to get controversy where there is none. Reporters bait, waiting for a slip up, and if one did slip they’d have a field day. I feel like the way people are projecting there to be a problem between the two quarterbacks will eventually will one to manifest.
Damn, man!! You hit it! Glad somebody else saw what I saw.
You guys with different perceptions of what went on – how ’bout re-watching it?
This is what the police mean when they talk about conflicting eye-witnesses. I’ll bet without going back and watching, you’d have a hard time telling what color short he was wearing.
Glad to see that TD is at minicamp
We’re going to need a healthy TD this year to be successful – I really hope he rebounds and produces like he did last season before he went down.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Totally shocked he's already on the field
Truely good news/
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haha, nice way to change the subject.
He looked good, guess Jamar Williams won’t have as easy a road to playing as we thought.
Good bye #43. Good luck in Chicago.
by Flowing Willow on May 1, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Look how happy Moore looks at mini-camp
http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Matt-Moore-Interview/9f84f327-1598-4f62-a7e3-c69eed7563b7#?id=9f84f327-1598-4f62-a7e3-c69eed7563b7
I guess when you're a HS phenom you get trained with the media early
The reporters tried several times to bait him into getting a good sound byte about other teams passing on him, or his attitude day one but he stayed calm and collected.
I wish they would have shown some video of his passes, not just two handoffs… but I guess that’s the most important thing to work on.
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and....
the endaround to armanti :-)
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by Schrute Bucks on Apr 30, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and...
how to catch. Do the ol’ handoff to Armanti, run down the sideline, Armanti throws to Jimbo, and he makes the big catch. (Smith to Flacco)
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 30, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe he's just not stupid.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
There are plenty of intelligent people who can't handle speaking in front of a camera.
When you’re as young as Clausen and you don’t slip up in interviews (even in his HS days) it tells me the Clausens got him a good coach.
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by James Dator on Apr 30, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a big deal in high school.
The media was always all over him. Interesting.
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Golly, Aunt Bee!
That’s the way to give an interview, Matt — pay attention.
hahah didn't mean to post it for y'all to compare
Moore or Clausen, as long as they’re a Panther, I have nothing but love for them, but I really did want to see Clausen throw some passes… and the pump fake was all I got…
I'm interested in the WR battle most
i like Jarrett more than a lot and I think he still has it in him to be a legit NFL receiver. I like LaFell a lot too. I like armanti’s versatility, and i like gettis’s pysical tools. Should make for a very interesting camp. Hopefully our passing game isnt as horrendous as it was last year.
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Armanti
I’m really rooting for Armanti to make it and become successful. He just seems like a genuine person and a hard worker and those types deserve success. I hope he can acclimate and really prove some people wrong
me too
he’s certainly more athletic than say…wes welker…i just hope he can be as effective
by SouthernPanther on Apr 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Quote from TD in the Gaston Gazette
Davis said at this point the Panthers haven’t offered him a long-term contract extension, but he understands the economic climate.
"That is something that’s going to happen down the road," Davis said. "All we can do as players right now is control what we can control and that’s playing football. Once everything gets situated (with the collective bargaining agreement) and plays itself out we’ll see what happens from there.
"I’m definitely looking to finish my career here. I’m very excited about the possibility here and now I just have to play football and make this team want to sign me to a long-term deal."
This guy is a football player. He is the perfect example of what you want on your team. It’s a testament to his work ethic and professionalism to be able to return to the field only 5 months after tearing his ACL. He’s fast becoming one of my favorite Panthers.
What a classy guy? Honest, pragmatic, intelligent, and loyal...
and he can knock people’s heads off. Love me some TD (no homo, Shockers).
I'm going to go ahead and close the comments on this one
At this point we’re all just talking in circles and gaining nothing.
- In summation: Great to have TD back
- Some saw nothing wrong with Moore’s interview
- Some saw some problems with Moore’s interview
Case closed
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