Chris Harris traded to the Chicago Bears
Hitman has been traded for OLB Jamar Williams who started two games for the Bears and backed up Lance Briggs.
about 2 years ago
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Here are the Tweets... still waiting on confirmation
ChrisHarrisNFL
#nowplaying “Homecoming” by Kanye West. Chi city. I’m coming home again.
ChrisHarrisNFL
Breaking News- I will be traded to Chicago Bears. Carolina u have been great and deeply missed. I have a special place in my heart for you
ChrisHarrisNFL
Sweet Caroline….Oh,Oh,Oh. Good times never seemed so good (so good,so good).
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Like I said in my fanpost......
…….This doesn’t make any fucking sense.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Does Godfrey slide over to SS? WTF!!
Do or do not. There is no try.
That makes sense.
Godfrey to SS, Martin to FS
If indeed it's true
My guess is Godfrey at SS, Martin at FS with Pugh backing him up.
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That lineup makes sense
and I’ve said before Godfrey reminds me of Bob Sanders who plays strong safety with the Colts. But still…….
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by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Calm down guys...
We don’t know if it’s true or not….
If it is, then resume ranting.
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He could be joking...
We don’t know 100% if it’s true or not…
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Assuming that is being in denial.
The guy’s been posting all day about going to Chicago.
YOU GOTTA BE JOKING!
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
Also, keep in mind we have no clue what we're getting in return
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Isn't it obvious our prodigal son Julius is coming back home???!
WELCOME HOME OUR BEST AND MOST LOVED PANTHER!!!
… Owww! Ow! ow!! I kiiid! I kiiiiid!!!
I hope this is not f**king true
i don’t care what the F**k we get from them next year, we all know it’s not going to be more than a second round pick.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
2nd?
look at the names that moved teams this year for 5th rounders….I bet thats it.
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2010's 5th was valued much higher because of the depth of the draft.
2011 is weaker… I would hope it’s a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
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As would I
But with the labor garbage, we can’t presume too much about pick value yet…
This is just stupid….who is going to lead this bunch….
Foxy will have to bring Similac and Pampers to practice
Do or do not. There is no try.
I'm still holding out hope this is a joke.
I mean I wish him the best and I hope he’s happy. But… :-(
Last year,
he didn’t play the first three games and we lost all of them. Gotta love Chris Harris as a person too. Very close to panicking
Let's go my team!
I have messages out to Chris himself, Darin Gantt and Adam Schefter.
As soon as I know more I’ll let you know
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James I know you usually try to keep cooler heads
you are going to have to work hard on this one. Losing one of my favorite players…
Absolutely
I was one of the first people at CSR to be in contact with Chris when he wanted to start posting… it’s heartbreaking
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Well I was just at Chicagos blog they had a front page
But it is gone so maybe Chris played a joke.
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
They’re probably waiting for confirmation too… I can’t imagine this is a joke though
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We reposted
still awaiting confirmation, we were including a link to local medias report, you may have caught it in the microsecond inbetween.
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Any idea what you guys would give up? Picks?
Or is there a DL who has been on the outs?
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Word on the street here
is that you will receive Jamar Williams.
Per @ZachZaidman:
Multiple NFL sources confirm to me that S Chris Harris has been traded to the Bears from the Panthers for LB Jamar Williams
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Any reason to even be the slightest bit excited in him?
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Williams: 4 years in the league
Started 3 of 51 games he appeared in…58 career tackles, 1 career interception, 1 career forced fumble.
No way we traded Harris straight up for this guy.
(My first post to the Reader, btw…wish it was under more pleasant terms, but I saw Pat’s blog on ESPN, and I’ve been picking up my jaw ever since).
Williams is a good linebacker...
with a huge upside. He’s gotten lost in Chicago’s depth at that position (Urlacher, Briggs, Tinoisamoa, Roach, Hillenmeyer, Shaw), but he’s also learned the position while backup up those same players. Chicago had injuries last year and Williams stepped up nicely when he was called upon.
CHICAGO –- The news keeps getting better for Bears weak side linebacker Jamar Williams, who was credited with a team-high 20 tackles versus St. Louis after coaches graded the game film. Williams finished with 12 solo tackles, 8 assists and 2 passes broken up.
I think he’ll be a very good player for you guys, if given the chance. Not sure he was worth a straight up trade, if that’s the case, but still.
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what he wrote
Carolina safety Chris Harris, who has been known to keep the world aware of his life on his Twitter account (ChrisHarrisNFL), has just announced he’s being traded to the Chicago Bears.
I’ve got calls into the Panthers for confirmation, but we’ve got no reason to doubt Harris’ tweet. He was accurately announcing Carolina’s personnel moves earlier in the offseason, before the public relations office could do it.
We’re not sure what the compensation is and we’ll work on getting that. A bit surprising because Harris has been a very solid performer since joining Carolina in a trade from Chicago. But the Panthers have some young safeties in Charles Godfrey and they just drafted Jordan Pugh. I’ll be back with more details when I get them.
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This makes ZERO sense.....
Chris is the perfect fit for the cover-1 we starting playing last year. I hope Godfrey and Martin can step up.
I think it's true...WTF*****
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/27/chris-harris-says-hes-headed-back-to-the-bears/
Why the heck would they trade him with nobody to backup to take his place. What the heck is going on in the Panthers Organisation.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
From Rotoworld, just relax til we know more
Chris Harris-DB- Panthers Apr. 27 – 1:28 pm et
Chris Harris revealed on his Twitter account Tuesday that he will be traded to the Bears.
We’ve seen several Twitter disclosures fall by the wayside, so we’ll await confirmation on this one. The Panthers appeared to be souring on Harris after a torn labrum to end 2008 and a knee injury last season. Still, he’d be a major upgrade at strong safety in a weak Bears secondary.
Source: Chris Harris on Twitter
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Exactly... let's see when we get confirmation... everyone is going nuts from the twitter announcement
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Martin can't play SS
He can’t tackle, he’s only a ballhawk.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
I thought he improved a little at the end of last year...when he came back from his injury
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agreed
but I still am not sold on his tackling, seen way to many missed tackles by him
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOO
I come home from work and this is the news that greets me? JC better be the next coming of JC or Furnny has some MAJOR ’splaining to do.
On the upside, my buddy who is a huge Chicago fan was begging me to get Chris back, so now he owes me.
But this is still not cool.
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I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
we played a cover 1
last season when we were having success where chris was a rover…
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Are puposely trying to make our team one sided
Dominant offense, weak deffense? Because it seems like the only guys we are keeping and going after are on offense… Defense we just keep cutting away. Very strange!
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by ElBacano on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Looks like Gantt knows it's a done deal, but doesn't know the compensation
No word yet on what the Panthers got back. But there were some in the building surprised he wasn’t in the March purge. He had value though.
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Jinx, owe me a coke
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This is incredibly idiotic from my POV
Chris was a leader, a damn fine defender, and a good person. Makes zero sense to part with someone like that.
daringantt
.No word yet on what the Panthers got back. But there were some in the building surprised he wasn’t in the March purge. He had value though.
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I can't take this organization anymore
i have no one left to root for…we’re trading or releasing everyone who means something to the panthers…Jon Beason is the only leader left…
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Thomas Davis team captain?
Or, dare I say it.. Chris Gamble?
by jojoisthemann on Apr 27, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Already was.
Harris ever make the Pro Bowl?
Obilgatory "Airplane" refernce
Steve McCroskey: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Sounds like a LB might be coming to us
Just heard on Sirius NFL. No official word
LB
we don’t need freaking lb’s…we need DLs and DBs
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A guy in the CHI media thinks its for a veteran LB?
If its Hillenmeyer or Pisa I’ll shit
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Lance Briggs?
Chicago needs to dump salary
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But why would we take Briggs?
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wouldn't he be too expensive?
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It was expensive when he signed the deal… but it’s more manageable now.
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gotcha
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He'd be an upgrade over Connor or Anderson right now
But he is getting ling in the tooth
Do or do not. There is no try.
Bears fan here.
There is no way you will be getting Lance Briggs. My guess is Jamar Williams and a late round pick from 2011.
Is there any possible reason why you would want to get rid of CH? Did he have an awful injury this year? Did his production fall off?
Youth movement and a lot of confidence in our young players
We have two guys who split time and FS last season who look like the real deal.
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That would make it less sour
But I doubt we’d be that smart or demanding
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WHAT IS GOING ON
I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE WORLD IS ENDING
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
Jesus man, chill out
Chris is an awesome player but you’re taking this way too hard.
we don't need LB
And they seem to forget we are going to play chicago. I don’t want Chris hitting on J.Stew or D.Will.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
+1 to that
It better be Lance Briggs if we’re indeed getting an LB back
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I agree.
This entire offseason, I've been defending Clausen from critics. Now I got an even better reason to.
by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Here we go boys
ZachZaidman
Multiple NFL sources confirm to me that S Chris Harris has been traded to the Bears from the Panthers for LB Jamar Williams
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This is what I heard
Someone else just confirmed
haha
thank you man, these pictures made it easier to cope.
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by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a OLB
16 games, 2 starts
43 tackles, 35 solo, 8 assists, 2 PDef, 1 FF
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43 Tackles, 0 Sacks, 1 FF
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how much money was he even making though??
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently too much
Or, like I said before, maybe Chris doesn’t fit the scheme?
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We played a Cover-1 at our best.
It pretty obvious to me that he fit with that.
This makes no sense
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I bet he's a special teams ace
we’ll have the best special teams ever!!! Yay!
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It's always nice
to look on the bright side, our special teams were terrible last year.
Let's go my team!
We played a Cover-1 when we were at our best
I think its obvious he fit in with that.
right but that was a quick fix mid-season b/c the Cover 2 wanst working
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what!!!
wtf is going on with the front office…….i want what they are smoking!
by pantherfan2005 on Apr 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i just can't understand why we are making some of these moves...
i guess we have officially gone into rebuild mode?
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
i hope the FO is not sabotaging this franchise.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
I think they want the safetys to play half the field...not Chris' strong suit
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Break out the whiskey
I’m gonna need to get good and drunk to understand this one
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Bears fans seem to think Williams is pretty good:
pretty fair trade, plus we trade from a position of strength for a position of weakness
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jamar williams?
please…we are stacked a LB…what do we need this guy for?
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We are not 'stacked' at all
Connor and James Anderson were not great options
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You see, well draft a guy, not let him play until he is 29
and then cut him at 30! Genius!!!!!!
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Like it or not, that's what they've done
Drafted DBs to fill the safety spots now.
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Eric Norwood is a pass rusher... not a run stopper
My guess is they’re not sold on any of the ROLBs abilities to stop the run.
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At the next level...
His abilities against the run were what knocked him down.
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I read differently
i read he had trouble in coverage…but he played great around the LOS and made plays in the run…but draft analysis seem to vary
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt I'd rather see him used in the passing game
I’ll be a blind homer for the draft picks….but this?
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somehow I feel like we just cut Na'il Diggs
for no reason, woulda rather had him and kept Harris than this guy
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
His weak spot was coverage.
I’ve never heard that his run-stopping skills were lacking.
they were not
saw all SC games and this guy is always around the ball….he’d beat out Jamar Williams if given the opp.
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Honestly think you're undervaluing them both there.
Connor was amazing in college – he has fantastic football skills. He’s possibly half a step too slow for this D, but I’m sure he could compensate for that.
Anderson on the other hand, after disappointing coming out of college, is fantastic in this D. It really plays to his strengths – his athleticism.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
And is Jamar Williams significantly better than them?
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by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Starter for a back-up?
Doesn’t seem like that great of a deal to me.
The way they put it,
we got shafted. We need Chris Harris a lot more than a backup linebacker.
Let's go my team!
Only a backup in Chicago...
He will probably start for us
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Still don't see this as fair
We drafted a LB and have two in house already capable of starting. The dropoff from Harris to whomever is going to be more than Williams to Connor I feel.
Yes!
And we just lost the heart of our D!!!!!!!!
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't know enough about Jamar Williams to say
I don’t know if it says more about the faith they have in Godfrey/Martin or the lack of faith in Connor/Anderson.
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Agreed
while I’m comfortable with Connor or Anderson starting at OLB, there is no one on the roster I am comfortable with to start at SS.
Let's go my team!
Put it best
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
According to one source he was traded for a veteran line backer
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/rock-report/2010/04/chris-harris-traded-to-the-chicago-bears.html
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Well,
Williams has been in the league five years.
How does the Los Angelas Panthers sound???
just kidding…
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
I think we're safe from that at least
if anyone is moving, it’s the Jaguars or the Vikings
Let's go my team!
Ive sat here this whole time watching the comments..
and i still can’t believe it.. damn you Hurney… what are you scheming on..
Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what your doing
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Sounds like LB Jamar Williams could be the back side of the Chris Harris trade. If he’s the guy, Panthers saved another 900k.
Swear to god, if this was over $900K…………
Makes sense ... the Hoover cut was over the same minimal amount
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Hoover
had missed a chunk of the year though and our run game didn’t exactly suffer. We lost all three games Harris didn’t play and he’s been one of the top playmakers at safety for a couple years, just vastly underrated.
Hoover was done.
Great servant to the club, but running into a brick wall for ten years straight took its toll.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
As a RB, I agree he was done.
But as a blocker, clearing the second level for D-Will and Stewart to break all those longer runs, he was the best. We can only hope that Fiammetta studied his craft well — I believe it was D-Will who commented on Hoover’s contributions, by saying he sought the hole as if he were the runner, and took out whoever was in that hole.
The best ones do - they instinctively find the hole
they’d want to run through, then knock the guy standing in it on his ass.
Didn’t we pick up an UDFA too at FB? I’m sure they’ll fight it out. It’s an important spot, but it’s not one people value highly in the draft, so either one could step in and be a stud. We’ll just have to see.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
really
900k? when did we become the cheapest organization in all of football…shoot…in all of sports…we’re making the Pitt. Pirates payroll look big.
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not about the dollars according to Gantt
But to be clear, Harris being traded not about $$, more they like the two young guys they have and want them both on the field.
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You sure do like some cats dont you?!?
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I looked like when Chin told me the news. >_>
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by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
HOWEVER per Gantt
But to be clear, Harris being traded not about $$, more they like the two young guys they have and want them both on the field.
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Gosh!!!
Do this people that trade plaers understand anything about football? they just traded for a guy on his last year of his contract for a guy that has a couple more years left. Connor could fill Diggs position. Why didn’t they wait to fill this position with players that get cut during preseason. We all know alot of Vets would get cut due to abundance of talented rookies that were in this years draft. Attimes i feel like the FO has an IQ of about 65.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
Check out this special teams KR block at 5:15 mark.
Thats Jamar Williams blasting a dude into the 3rd row
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iHzdUVpUh0
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so we are doing this
for a special teams guy i guess…we are gonna have some damn good special teams =P
just kidding
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, that was the only tape I could find.
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He's pretty bad in coverage....
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
I'd argue he is.
Good in run support, a relatively hard hitter, good leader………he reminds me of Minter in that way.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
i did it in madden
I swear they copy me in madden all the time. I cut everyone that we cut this year its too funny.
I really wish we had Myron Rolle right now instead of Tony Pike. I’ve warmed up to Pugh.
But let’s just think about this for a second. What does Meeks like his D to have? Ill help out…SPEED. what’s one thing Chris doesn’t have? Speed. And not for nothing Harris misses tackles/gets bitched. He was a turnover machine but hopefully we can get the rest of our guys to step up.
I see this as possibly a thing. Now Meeks gets the coverage that he wants down the field. So I’m thinkin we might get real creative with the blitzes.
LET’S GET PANTHERS!
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
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I wanted Myron Rolle too
ever since I heard last year he was going to be a Rhodes Scholar. That’s the kind of we player we would normally love to have.
Let's go my team!
And how do we know that Harris didn't ask for a trade?
I don’t like it, but there could be more to the story.
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i saw no signs that he was unhappy in carolina
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
because he's a professional
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a professional
who loved the panthers so much that he blogged on our site, and raved about the Bobcats…he sure seemed to like Charlotte
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
He was VERY upset during the over 30 purge. You can look at his Twitter and see that, I was afraid he was going to be fined.
Maybe he was ready for a seachange too… he posted here about what it’s like to be traded… maybe he had a feeling back then?
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Ultimately, it's all about Sherrod Martin
I’ve written at length about how the kid is a playmaker on the secondary, but they couldn’t trust him at FS because he’s not very good in coverage. I think they wanted to find a way to get Sherrod Martin on the field and the only way was moving Chris.
At the same time, Godfrey is too good to be riding the pine. They both (Martin and Godfrey) had too much talent to sit one of them.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense, but it’s the most sense I could make of it.
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well they did surprisingly draft SM with a 2 last year
So maybe the do have a plan at all times…coulda fooled me (which isnt hard to do).
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That I could understand, James...
but the value of trading a starting SS for a special teams player … I just don’t see that.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a special teams player
He started two games for the Bears in 2009, he’s not chopped liver.
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Backup and special teams player are not the same thing
How do you expect Jamar Williams to get on the field with Lance Briggs and Nick Roach on the field?
It’s like devaluing Jonathan Stewart because he backup up D-Will
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He had 48 tackles in spot duty and 2 starts
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Because they're stacked at LB
We need a good ROLB.
If the Chicago fans think it’s a fair trade then I’ll listen to that, they know Jamar Williams a lot better than we do
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No... they know him AS WELL as we do
Let’s not forget that he spent two seasons in Chicago before coming here
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I don't know about that
they gave him to us to clear room for Archuleta, I can’t help but think he’s had his best years while in a Panther uniform. But I grant they do know him better than we know Jamar Williams.
Let's go my team!
I'm talking about the fanbase, not the organization
Fans were PISSED when Harris was traded… they knew what they were losing
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This means that!
We should be running the organization!
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Compare Carolina's FO and Chicago's FO and compare their histories.
This is taken DIRECTLY from the Chicago blog:
Lets look at JA’s dealings
Pick Harris in the 6th round
Trade Harris for a fifth round pick that the Bears received from Carolina was used on injury prone cornerback Zackary Bowman out of Nebraska.
Trade back for him with a 4th round pick in Jamar Williams
But isn’t he a SS?
So.,..
we bought low…
sold high…
and then bought higher.
Fantastic. LOL.
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Exactly
If you boil it all down to it’s most basic level we just traded a 5th round pick for a 4th round linebacker
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where he didn't play much
he’s started since he got here
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not go crazy here
Chicago: Started 20 games in two seasons
Carolina: Started 44 games in three seasons
They knew who he was
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He can't play SS
This guy has had surgery done on both his Shoulders, do you really think he can hit a 230lbs RB coming his way and not worry about it? he could bring Ricky Williams down.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Safeties are interchangable in the Cover 2
Typical SS v. FS terms go out the window.
Who knows? Maybe the plan is to put Thomas Davis back at safety?
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You could be on to something there James...
He played S at Georgia, this could be the plan…
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
I'd think he's too big for that at this point.
240lbs would be a friggin’ huge safety.
yeah
he’d have to drop about 25 pounds….plus he just now is hitting his stride at LOLB
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but you can't run a 2-deep on every play
gotta bring one of em down into the box sometime….especially with our suspect D-line.
Do or do not. There is no try.
That was what, four years ago?
These things do heal over time. I don’t think there are any concerns about his durability in that regard.
Who was it that went for the tackle on Ricky Williams’ long touchdown run, grabbing at his shoulders and missing completely? Yeah. Ugh.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
if u need a run stopping LB, why don’t u pick him up in the draft? u could have traded next years’ third or sumthing. C. harris is irreplacable.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
Unrelated but watching that Devin Hester video
…remember how the draftniks blasted the Bears for drafting him so high? I’d laugh thinking about that, if I weren’t depressed.
i guess so...
we seem to support losing at this point
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS!
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd just like to reiterate what was posted above
4 Years in the League:
Started 3 of 51 games he appeared in…58 career tackles, 1 career interception, 1 career forced fumble.
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
Guess who this is?
Four years in the league:
Started 10 of the 50 games he’s appeared in…81 career tackles, 3 career sacks, 0 career interceptions, 3 career forced fumbles.
i'm gonna stab in the dark and say Chris Harris
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
damn
fooled me, but it looks like James makes more plays than Jamar
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well regardless
I will pull for the Panthers but I will cheer my guts out for Chris at the beginning of the game.
This must be the dumbest FO i have ever seen
if they traded Chris for a LB and nuthin else. Hurney needs to be fired on the spot.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, built this entire team and never had a season worse than 7-9
BUT TO HELL WITH ALL THAT, FIRE THE MAN!
That is only because we had talent
We should have won at least two superbowls with the talent we’ve had. He’s a good Cap manager, not a good decision maker or good trader.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We have talent?
Who is it that brought the talent here?
have u ever played any kind of sport before in your life
Do you know what it takes to understand a particular scheme and have to learn it for 1-4 years and when u start to get it get released and have to learn another scheme all over again? Just because most of the people released by Carolina have not had success don’t mean they were not good players. Maake is a good example, he was great in Baltimore, when he came here, he did nuthin but stopped the run, but he didn’t have the sack numbers he had in Baltimore.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell are you arguing?
You said we should have won a Superbowl with the talent we have, well Hurney brought that talent in. If you have an issue with the scheme, bitch about Fox and his coaching staff.
I understand why everyone is so upset
It’s very emotional and as a website and fanbase we were really linked to Hitman.
There must be method to the madness, there always is… even if we don’t understand it right now.
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SHUN THE UNBELIEVER!
nah I’m just mad we got a backup LB for the heart of our D!
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
To keep some sanity
we should remember what we still have. We still have the best running back duo in the league. We still have Steve Smith. We still have Jon Beason and Thomas Davis. We still have a young and promising defensive line. We still have a great offensive line. We still have Chris Gamble and a good crop of young cornerbacks. We still have potentially one to three franchise quarterbacks and probably not less than one. Everyone is freaking out (including me) but we still have the opportunity to be a very good team this year and the years to come.
Let's go my team!
don't look now
we might trade Steve Smith for sebastian janikowski (great kicker)…really bolster the special teams
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, we have those things...
For now. For all we know they’ll all be gone next week.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
I feel llike this has been the worst offseason of the Fox era...
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
This
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
okay...this is similar to the Clausen draft pick....
It took a minute for it to settle in, but when you look at the grand scheme of things it makes sense. Meeks wants SPEED…Harris is not a speed guy and is a liability in pass coverage. In todays’ NFL, you want your safety to be able to come down and man-up on the slot receiver…instead of leaving your LB at the mercy of a “Wes Welker”…That explains why we have drafted so many S/CB hybrids the past two years.
Sherrod Martin is a ballhawk and a playmaker…Chris Harris is a hard hitter and run stopper. 2 totally different styles of S, but we NEED the former moreso than the latter. Releasing Harris makes our secondary wwaaaaayyyy more flexible because most players outside of Gamble, Marshall and Munnerlyn can play multiple positions.
AND FOR GOD’S SAKE EVERYBODY WAS RIDING HURNEY’S NUTSACKS AFTER THE DRAFT NOW YOU WANT HIM FIRED???? I see why Panther fans get laughed at on a regular basis.
Sorry to see you go Hitman but I believe the team is more flexible now in the defensive backfield.
by Charles Harlotte on Apr 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
haha
i wonder who will guard the door this time
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You might be right
Rely on solid LBs to be the last line of defense for your run game, and let your secondary focus primarily on pass coverage. That’s really what it looks like they are doing. These moves must have Meeks fingerprints on them. I just really wish we had more solid DTs for run support… a little scary how it is now.
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i'm gonna need ya to come in on saturday mmmkay? That'd be great...oh...and Peter...did you get the memo about the new TPS reports?
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My stapler...
They they traded my stapler. And and and then they told me i would get a new one. But I didn’t I didn’t I didn’t get one. And and I’m going to burn it to the ground.
by The Duke Dude on Apr 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You're feeling me now
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Look at those Indy defenses…..even though Bob Sanders was a run stopper, he was wayyyyyy better in coverage than Hitman….and had more speed. The Indy defenses never had a strictly hard-hitting safety that roamed the line of scrimmage. The REACTED (with their speed) to the LOS should the RB make it past the LBs. We’ll be ok.
by Charles Harlotte on Apr 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still getting concerned about getting gashed in the run game
There’s no reason to think our d-line can stop the run better than last year.
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Don't worry so much...
…there are a ton of statistics that show the old adage of “establish the run” isn’t necessarily the proper way to win championships any more…not with the rule changes that have swung favor towards the QB and against bump and run coverage. This, as has been stated, shows how important speed is in the secondary in the modern game.
Stopping a truly great passing attack is the necessity in this day and age. Just look at the Super winners of the 2000’s: New England (when was the last time THEY had a credible backfield threat?), Pittsburgh (at least the last one certainly wasn’t a run-based team), Indianapolis (with, I might add, a porous run defense coached by Ron Meeks…but it defended the pass exceptionally well), New Orleans (although they had a great running attack, the passing game was everything to them…which do YOU fear most?)…
I know, I know…a team that can run the ball IS more likely to keep our defense on the field longer, therefore tiring them out. But with the weapons we’ve acquired on the offensive side to match our run game, I see us putting points on the board a little quicker, forcing teams to play catch-up a little more. This feeds directly into our defensive philosophy…as does not giving up the long play. This makes for true “bend but don’t break” principles…with ballhawking and a compressed field to defend once our opponent gets closer to the goal since they’ll only get there by slowly working their way towards it.
Am I saying I wanted to see Chris Harris go? Hell no…especially not after the last half of last year. But versatility, speed, ballhawking…those are what this system is designed for in the secondary. And Chris Harris, while I great leader, a positive role model on and off the field, and a hard hitter (I’m almost talking myself out of this), wasn’t particularly versatile or fast.
Really, how many of us thought, “what? we’re bringing in Ron Meeks??? Are you kidding me?” last year? I know I did…and he proved to me to be more than capable; he tried to instill his system, but had the where-with-all to adapt his system to the personnel he had. Now he’s had one more year to acquire the parts to create his ideal. Due to that, I have to put my faith in him and see how this turns out.
Yeah but our run d was one of the worst in the league!
I can agree with you if it was only slightly below average… but the way we were was way too much of a liability. It has to improve for our defense to improve.
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Indianapolis’ run defensive rank in 2006 when they won the Super Bowl? 32nd in the league. I’m telling you, run defense isn’t as important as it was just 2 decades ago. I’m not saying it has NO basis in success, but its divinity as a philosophy doesn’t apply to the same extent.
I would LOVE a stout run defense to match a nasty pass defense…but the most important thing for a defensive coordinator while scheming against another team is to make them one dimensional. Besides, if our opponent is running all the time, it’s not very likely the game will ever be out of reach for us.
…I’m just sayin’…
C'mon, Indy had a little weapon behind center
That’s why they won the Superbowl. The Panther’s offense with that defense would not have had the same result.
I hear what you are saying… But if our opponent is running all the time, it’s also not very likely our offense will be on the field much to anything about it.
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I get your point...
…but our run defense didn’t win 4 of our last 5 games…our takeaways (mostly in the secondary) did. That’s Meeks’ brand of football. That’s where we will win…on turnover differential, as well as an improvement in special teams and a continued reliance on a QB who doesn’t fumble or throw picks.
Well I hope you are right
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Trust me, ElBacano...
…I hope I am, too.
This is uncharted territory for me…I’ve been the pessimistic nay-sayer my whole life. :-D
Pessimism? Me too, me too
I’m the anti-James ;)
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+1000000
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
re:joke
any chance someone hacked his account
by panthersnbraves on Apr 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Denial
Not just a river in Egypt anymore!
Chris was a powerful free hitting safety
Well,
although this move may not be a proper one, it was necessary, we are very deep at Safety and meeks prefers speed over power, and raw strength. I love Chris harris and he may have fit out defense under R. Meeks . MEEKS WANTS SPEED AND CHRIS DOESN"T HAVE IT.
Chris Harris is a great player and he will be missed but the games he missed due to injury we started Q. Teal who is nothing and now we have R. Pugh and A. Francisco.
FS; S. Martin , R. Pugh
SS; C. Godfrey , A. Francisco
Either way in the front office view only they may think that they have overpaided for Chris as well and that is why they are moving him.
THis is not a smart move by me and don’t get me wrong I would have kept Chris but the Panthers are in a youth movement and a costing cutting move and we are setting oursleves up for the 2012 season after the lockout.
Not a good move but our secondary does need more speed and now we have it. Guess I have to go back and change my depth chart Panthers post.
Go Panthers.
Oh yeah we get more than likely just J. Williams as a depth pickup from the bears.
Facts are facts and while Harris was a cult hero for the Panthers he wasn’t a elite NFL Safety. We need speed and to block S. Martin from Starting this year is crazy. Harris was expendable and he only had value in two cities and that was here and in Chicago.
I don’t like it as it sets now but I am not going to bash our front office. Meeks is going to make our defense elite and he nows what it takes. SPEED, SPEED, SPEED and ball hawking safeties is what he likes and Harris was neither.
Go Meeks I put my trust in you.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
"while Harris was a cult hero for the Panthers he wasn’t a elite NFL Safety"
That’s a good assessment.
Never heard so much crying about a player who did as little as Harris did.
He is not nor ever was “the heart of the Panthers’ defense.” Jon Beason is.
Harris was the 50th ranked Safety in the league last year. He missed 11 tackles, 12th most out of 87 safeties ranked. His Run Defense ranked 81 out of those 87. Anybody remember the time AP ran right over and through him for a TD that should have been made on the 4 yard line?
I think because he blogged on here about his personal life every 4th or 5th day, you all fell in love with the idea that here was a real-life NFL player talking to us fans. Well, get over it. He was average at his position at best, and got the nickname Hitman for some good, but not regular, tackles. He’ll be more easily replaced than Brad Hoover will.
he also smack daddied Brandon Jacobs one tiem and was a turnover machine
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe Jon Beason shared that hit.
And Charles Godfrey caused twice as many forced fumbles last year as did Harris, I believe (4 to 2). So how’s Harris a “turnover machine”? His INT’s and FF’s were the same total as Godfrey’s, and only 1 more than Sherrod Martin, who saw very limited duty.
Ya’ll have drunk too much of that “I’m the Hitman” Kool-Aid.
in 2007
Harris led the league in forced fumbles…and no, he took down Jacobs on his own
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
I was just thinking of when Chris first came to the blog and you left that comment about…why doesn’t he go study film and learn to tackle instead of blogging…or something like that. I was curious to see your stance now. But I’m right there with you man.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 1:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You've got a good memory, my friend.
I recall I used the word pimping, if I’m not mistaken, in relation to bringing our eyeballs to his social websites.
My stance now is that he’s just another player who came and went. Nice guy, and I wish him well, but we should get over his going, just as he’ll get over us.
I see the Panthers’ coaching staff as believing his best playing days were behind him, and they made a good trade. The guy we got will probably make as many “hits” as Harris would have, anyway, but I really think Godfrey will be an up-and-coming success in his spot, regardless. We’ll be calling him Godfrey the Intimidator.
Godfrey is going to fine over there.
He isn’t scared to jack some one up either. Just ask Wes Welker.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Ouch…I don’t even need to youtube that one. I can still remember that.
by The Duke Dude on Apr 28, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that the same dude who posts on here?
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
I wonder if the panthers
are just seeing how long till the fans revolt and storm BoA.
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Welcome aboard dude!!!
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Better realize soon he'll need a new number!
But yes… WELCOME Jamar Williams… I hope you’re a beast
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Very good point and post...
We can bitch and moan all we like about Chris Harris leaving (and with good reason…I liked him as well). But Geebus Cristo, I hope Jamar doesn’t read this thread. It might light a fire under him to prove himself, but it could just as easily sour him about the Panther fan base.
Let’s go ahead and lament losing a leader and popular player from our team…but not at the expense of a man who goes out and does the job to the best of his ability every day; claiming we were robbed or we blundered demeans everything about Jamar Williams…it doesn’t JUST express our love of Chris Harris.
To be fair though
At first glance, we’ve traded Chris Harris for James Anderson. I don’t doubt that Jamar Williams has potential, but so does our defensive line and I don’t exactly trust that part of our defense either. If he proves me wrong, I’ll be glad to say that he did, and I hope he does. Until that point though, we’ve traded our starter at SS for, what has been to at least this point, a back-up linebacker.
I’m also upset that we’ve decided to move from the Cover-1, which worked for us last year, to the Cover-2, abandoning the key of a John Fox defense in the process.
I won't dispute your first paragraph....
but has the Cover-1 ever really been a Fox defense? I thought it was a necessary adaptation by Meeks because he couldn’t instill the Tampa-2 variation he espouses with the existing personnel in 2009.
Not to my knowledge
But I’ll confess that I’ve never been a fan of the Cover-2, ever. The Cover-1 worked will some of the personnel we had in place, Chris Harris being one of those players. Its more aggressive than the standard Fox defense, which I liked, but still had some of the same basic elements, like being able to stop the run.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
we aren't only losing a heavy hitter
but a locker room leader, heart and soul (part of) of the panthers
not to mention
a frequnt poster on this blog and a beloved member of the Charlotte community. He is a fan favourite wherever he goes.
Let's go my team!
We already lost that when we traded all the other vets
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He always did the pump up huddle things as well
those were awesome…
by jojoisthemann on Apr 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fox has been locked in a closet all off-season
None—I mean NONE of these moves have Fox’s signature on them.
Do or do not. There is no try.
agreed
the more of this that keeps happening the closer I am to realizing they’re forcing Fox out…which sucks…because he is a great coach
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
All I know is the FO has really set themselves up as scape goats if we have a losing season
Do or do not. There is no try.
Actually it reminds me of Fox when he first got here.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
I think I understand this move...
…and it’s a combination of things.
First, there’s a lot of teams jettisoning players right now. This always happens after the draft. Sometimes there are some surprises in who teams decide to let go. For some, it’s getting rid of a huge contract so they can sign everyone they just drafted or pursue another free agent they need for a certain position. I don’t think that’s why the Panthers let Harris go, though.
Instead, I think they’re revamping this defense to better fit the scheme Ron Meeks wants to deploy. They want team speed across the board, but especially at the safety positions. That’s because we’re going small on the D-line with undersized DEs and DTs. That means your LBs and safeties have to be quick enough to come up in run support, while also having the speed to fall back and cover while your speedy linemen generate a pass-rush. Chris just wasn’t going to be able to give us that. And for a variety of reasons. He’s getting older. He got hit by the injury bug pretty significantly a couple of times and missed some games. And we’ve got faster guys behind him. So I think all of that is factoring into the mix.
As some are reporting, they were actually surprised we kept Chris Harris back when the Panthers purged all the other veterans. I suspect that’s because they knew Chris would still have value to some other teams. So, at least we kept him around and got what we could out of him, rather than just cutting him loose. Hopefully, this new LB comes in and helps out both at SOLB and on special teams for us.
As usual, we’ll have to wait and see. Lots of youth and inexperience on this team this year, especially in our secondary. Chris Gamble just became the “old” man.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
Your two cents often purchase the voice of reason.
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I'd also add...
…that even though it’s not about the money (that Chris Harris was due to make on his contract), it’s still about the money in terms of the looming labor negotiations and lockout potential. Jerry Richardson is at the forefront of that debate because of his role on the appropriate committee. A lot of owners are taking their cues from JR. And he has to set the example.
That's because...
…you’re impatient and undisciplined. Though, very, very passionate about your team…so no worries. ;-)
umm
Excuse me? You presume a bit too much with that statement, Neil. It must take a lot of courage to type that about someone.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Presumption or observation?
Besides, I don’t think he was meaning it as an insult. I know I’m impatient and I’m certainly not disciplined enough to consider this trade “for the best, in the future”. An unflattering comment isn’t necessarily an insult, we just often take them that way because we would rather hear positive things and dislike when negative things are said.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
That is your opinion
But to call someone “undisciplined” is more insulting than any cussing out or name-calling you could muster. Try being undisciplined in the Marine Corp. Totally inappropriate comment.
I write an 8 word sentence and dude presumes to know everything about me? All the smiley faces in the world do not allow someone to question my discipline. To a man, that is one of the worst things you can say. Save the diatribe.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Ah, ok.
Still, wanted to acknowledge your reply so you didn’t think I commented and then blew it off. Your point was well made, though, so I didn’t really have anything more to add than a simple ‘okay’. Hope the one word reply didn’t come off snarky. Sometimes I post before realizing it could be taken some way other than how I meant it.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Yeah I know, D
I read pretty much all of the 800 comments on this thread, and that was the only one that seemed to take it too far…on top of it he throws a smiley in there like I’m too dense to pick up when I’m being insulted.
All these off-season moves have left us as fans in a “wait and see” holding pattern. Every single move made involves us putting faith into an unknown commodity, i.e. a young, unproven player. This one, involving one of the last remaining leaders on our team, has struck the deepest cord for me. Just when we though all of the uncertainty was over (new QB?, 3 of 4 new starters on the D-line?, new FB?, new #2 WR?, etc) they go and make a move like this.
All of these uncertainties have given us the right to question the direction of this team without fellow fans questioning your manhood.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I'm leaning toward D-ranged here.
You should only ever be offended by something if it has an element of real or perceived truth. For example, if someone called me fat, I wouldn’t be offended by it. I’m 6-1, 162 pounds, if anything I need to put on some more bulk. Now if someone called me arrogant, I might be more easily offended because there is an element of truth there.
This entire offseason, I've been defending Clausen from critics. Now I got an even better reason to.
by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll give Neal the impatient part
But will not be called undisciplined.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Would we this have been easier to take
if it had happened during the purge? Not that it really matters or anything, just wondering.
Let's go my team!
probably
gotten it all over with…i just feel like its one thing after another this offseason sending us in a downward spiral backwards…i hope I’m wrong.
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
For me?
Probably, at least then I wouldn’t expect our top playmaker in the secondary to be here for the season.
No, actually I'd have been even more pissed.
We most likely wouldn’t have gotten anything in return for all the others cut, but Hitman still had value. We didn’t get some scrub for him. We got a solid linebacker and ST’er
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One more ST'er
The Panthers should have an excellent ST by the time the season starts.
by panthersnbraves on Apr 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so...
…because we’d have cut him and got nothing in return for a player that still has value to some teams out there. I don’t think the same could be said about Hoover, for instance. He still hasn’t landed anywhere (that I’ve heard). Na’il Diggs did, but I don’t think anyone would have traded with us for him. They would have just waited us out to cut him later and then picked him up for nothing. I don’t think anyone expected us to part ways with Chris. And, in fact, we didn’t HAVE to…as it was entirely our choice based on how we’re remolding our defense. That’s what allowed us to dangle him as trade bait for another player who help us at a different position.
What this really boils down to is that we needed more speed in the secondary and felt like we already had the guys (with the high draft pick investments) to create that. But, at the same time, we had a slower veteran playing in front of them. Meanwhile, we’ve got this hole at SOLB that we’re looking to fill. Will Dan Connor handle it okay? He’s more of a MLB. Will Norwood take it on? Maybe. But he’s a complete rookie. If you want some veteran leadership at SOLB with some ability to play both the run and the pass, that may be why Fox and Meeks were interested in this guy.
—Neil
Jamar Williams may be better than we think... look at his two starts last season:
10/4/09: 6 tackles vs. Atlanta
12/6/09: 18 tackles and 2 passes defended vs. St. Louis
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18 tackles is a lot regardless of the team. It is still the NFL.
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by WillParker81 on Apr 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Barely. =P
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
Its one game though.
I’m much more knowledgeable about baseball than football, and in baseball that’s something you’d call a “small sample size”.
haha
i was excited till i saw St. Louis =P
although i’ll give him his due, 18 tackles is impressive…but didn’t Anderson have a game with like 14 tackles?
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Most tackles Anderson had last season was 11 in one game
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I'll take the average
As much as I am loathe to say it, those teams are on opposite ends of he spectrum.
by adamwanderer on Apr 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Reading between the line
St. Louis run the ball… almost constantly because of Stephen Jackson…. so it shows he can hold his own against the run
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Okay
yeah that makes sense. I hope they get better or free Stephen Jackson, I’m tired of feeling sorry for him.
Let's go my team!
Well it does depend where those tackles were made.
If he’s making them 5 yards downfield, they’re not so impressive.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
Better 5 yards downfield than 25
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Well yeah obviously.
But if he’s taking the guy down after he’s made big positive yards those stats are less impressive.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
He won't get that playing beside Davis and Beason
But that’s just a testimony to those guys. He looks like an upgrade over guys that prob shouldn’t be starting… Anderson, Connor or a rookie. And he can play special teams… I think I get it.
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Too bad Harris did want to put on 15lbs
Meeks loves him some light in the ass LBs with hands.
Do or do not. There is no try.
it is all good fellas
Chris really did just slow us down when it came to pass coverage. I put Godfrey in at SS on madden for a reason. I completely understand this move. I’m actually happy about it.
LET’S GET IT PANTHERS
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
what??? i always put Hitman in Madden!!!
run stopper, great blitz guy, heavy hitter… i just knocked the sh*t out of santana moss with harris
i put him in in certain situations
Like if I’m playing against ATL…I will use him in the 4-3 and blitz him a lot when I think they will run. But I like to blitz and keep the pressure on the QB. And if chris was ever in coverage I paid for it.
Godfrey could get the job done in coverage period. I always keep martin in a deep zone. Againts a balanced team I always start Godfrey and Martin, SS and FS respectively. I would move Harris to OLB. Which side I played him on varried on the match-up and formation. But he is useless as a cover man.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I got you
I begged people not to talk about which back they would want to trade for that very reason that you imply. But I know this is a done deal. It makes too much sense. Its almost expected from me anyway.
I didn’t want Rolle to be drafted just for depth. I wanted him on the field. But I wasn’t going to say that on this blog for Harris to see.
But we just got a lil better guys…cool your jets.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me throw this out there ... React as you want.
But, if Harris were not a part of CSR, can you honestly say that you would feel the same way about this trade?
I can’t. I will be honest – I am more bothered by this because of his participation here. If he had never been here, I wouldn’t feel the way I do right now, I would look at it as “oh we traded our SS for another LB”.
I think if you (collective you) look at it deep enough, you’ll somewhat feel the same way.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
I'll be honest enough to admit that I am biased
It’s personal. :-(
by adamwanderer on Apr 27, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If we'd have only got Gilyard, my life would be complete. LOL
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Haha...
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Ok, I'll stop
Yeah, it was cool having Harris share his roller coaster rides and such, but I’m all for the trade on either level.
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I saw it, and totally agree with you.
I didn’t read any of that roller coaster, dancing with former stars who are now pathetic losers, weekends in vegas crap. If it would have been “Hey guys, just popped on to let you in on how Thomas Davis’ rehab is going” I would have read every word.
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I'd be upset.
He’s been our top playmaker in the secondary while he’s been here.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 to that
Furthermore, all we’ve been doing is talk about how we need to get better against the run. We had one of the best pass defenses in football last season and a poor run defense.
So we make a move that may weaken our pass defense slightly (depending on Meeks’ vision for Martin and Godfrey) but from what I see Jamar Williams will be better against the run than Dan Connor or James Anderson, particularly anchoring a side where Julius Peppers is no longer there to make tackles off the edge.
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Do you have more info about Williams?
Or are you basing that statement off of one game that he’s had?
I took a trip to the water cooler to talk to 3 Bears' fans in my office
The word is that he is extremely solid against the run, but not a good blitzer.
Basically I asked for a no BS assessment on whether the Panthers are getting screwed and it was a resounding ‘No’. They think it’s a pretty fair deal… they’re most confused because the Bears now have 8 safeties.
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And we now have four players competing for Sam linebacker.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Connor is more of an MLB... he always has been, but they moved him over because of Beast
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Agreed. And Anderson is better as a WLB.
I also see Norwood as mainly help getting to the QB with the loss in production in Pep. Hopefully Jamar Williams can step up against the run and cover the TE (Tony Gonzalez, Shockey, etc)
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's kind of like in the draft
where we’ve picked three corners in the last two 7th rounds hoping to hit on one.
Let's go my team!
our pass d just got better James
Ill put I’m a butt pirate in my sig if I have to put my foot in my mouth on this one.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh absolutely not.
His contributions here contribute significantly to the sting of losing him. We’d still kind of feel like we’re losing our starting SS for a backup LB but no way would there be 300 or so comments on this thread in about an hour if Hitman didn’t post here consistently the way he did.
Let's go my team!
But what exactly WERE his contributions here??
Do you really care who’s on his I-Pod, or what his favorite roller-coaster ride was, or where he honeymooned? C’mon.
What’d he ever say about the Panthers that we didn’t already know?
I enjoyed his existence here
even if it was largely superficial. It’s nice simply for players to be willing to connect with fans like that.
Let's go my team!
Then read Jon Beason's blog, or Matt Moore's.
Largely superficial — it was ALL superficial, strictly Facebook/Twitter stuff — I don’t recall any inside stuff he shared with us.
I shall
I liked Jake a lot, I want to get to know the new starting qb before Jimmy inevitably takes over.
Let's go my team!
it annoyed me frankly
When I talk football I wanna talk football. When I’m at the bar watching games I’m not asking people how their weekend was, or what do they like to do when they aren’t watching football. I almost never commented on his posts. I don’t think I ever did on one that wasn’t realated to football. I know I didn’t read any that weren’t related to football.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I went further than that and objected to the moderator about them.
His personal stuff took up space, IMO. Would you care what my favorite movie was? And that Dancing With the Stars thread gave me a laugh — gotta be a star first (or at least a celebrity.)
lol
That’s good stuff. I thought about complaining, but I figured it would just fall on deaf ears. Being that everything he did went to the front page right away….well no more of that.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 1:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually I enjoyed his personal commentary
I don’t just care about him as a football player on Sunday. It was cool getting to know the human side of him.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
i think what might have happened was
that he might have taken some heat after talking about older players leaving the panthers organization. i think he was just trying to keep the off season moves on the down-low. or at least that’s how i felt, because he was definitely more active on his blog before the off season.
Not according to Gantt... for what it's worth
daringantt
Nothing to do with this. RT @RobinEos I think it’s they don’t like players engaging in non-sanctioned interaction w/fans and speaking freely
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no i understand
i don’t think the trade had anything to do with his interaction with the fans. i meant that i think the reason why he was posting a lot of random blogs was that he might have been warned by the organization after talking about the off season moves?
+1
But I can’t fault anyone for venting or feeling the way they do here. Everyone’s reacting exactly as a fan would (and should) to the loss of a favorite player. But, looking at it from the business end of things and the need for development of the team as a whole, it makes sense. This is one of those moments where the players acknowledge it isn’t about them as a player, but the business side of football.
Chris' contributions to CSR change nothing
I still don’t like the move from a personnel standpoint. I think I get it….Godfrey is more of a Cover 2 guy than is Harris, but I don’t have to like it…especially considering how little we got in return.
Do or do not. There is no try.
This
From a personnel standpoint, I understand why it was done. Doesn’t mean I like it at all.
My concern is that there seemed to be a noticeable void when Harris was not in the lineup last season. I don’t know if it was leadership, intensity or maybe coincidence or perhaps just my own misperception. But in my eyes just his presence made the D nastier. I do like Martin and will be anxious to see him take on a larger role. I have alot of faith that the FO knows what they’re doing
lost games
How much of that was D-line, maybe?
by panthersnbraves on Apr 27, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing about Harris
until I remembered that we didn’t get Hollis Thomas until the Washington game I think
Let's go my team!
I hear you there...beefing up at DT helped
but I’m not just referring to lost games…What I’m trying to say is that Harris was our “nasty” presence in the secondary…He let the opposition know he was there.
I cannot believe this. Why??? Chris was such an invaluable leader to this team, and was a regular on here as well!
dammit, why trade him? Get rid of godfrey and let martin play FS. Why trade a terrific player with heart and tenacity for a guy who isn’t suited to play the damned position???
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Another good aspect of the trade....
We haven’t talked about Jimmy Clausen or Matt Moore for almost a whole hour.
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Yeah, how is this going to affect Clausen's development, looking off safeties in training camp?
Huge implications! Huge!
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Btw I heard on ESPN
from Mark Schlereth that Bulger would be a good fit here. Interesting, I thought.
Let's go my team!
Ooh, Mark Schlereth knows a whole bunch of stuff!!!
…
…
…
that’s not true. Schlereth is full of crap just about all the time. Bulger would be a terrible fit here. Just not John Fox’s kind of player. Way too passive, and not much of a leader.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
that’s why I thought it was interesting. Not to mention that we’d have to put on waivers one of the qb’s we just drafted or Matt Moore.
Let's go my team!
True, it's interesting that he would bring it up at all.
But he’s not the kind of guy who has contacts around the league. He’s clearly just pulling something out of his butt.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Jamar Williams stats
http://www.nfl.com/players/jamarwilliams/profile?id=WIL329965
Well that is gonna put some depth at LB how much who nows. I also truly believe the Panthers we not crazy about all the online chatting that Chris did that made him so proper here on the blog. Richardson is old school, not new school and that had to be a factor as well as a banged up knee, and tore labrum in his shoulder. Chris was a solid cult hero for us but honestly in the rest of the league he was viewed as a slightly above average “SS” and Meeks wanted to move him.
warming up to the deal here I just wish we could have gotten some type of draft pick included in the trade but maybe we did b/c full details have not come out officially yet.
Also what good is a leader when he is not going to see the field Ivan459 ?? If Harris was not going to start then he had to be traded and he lead you have to be on the field of play. To block S. Martin from starting this season is crazy and C. Godfrey is a free agent after this season anyway so if he doesn’t work out and we want to go in another direction then we now have the opition but I think Godfrey is going to be our SS for years to come.
Go Panthers.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
Why start Godfrey at a position he isn’t suited to play and hasn’t played his whole career here on this team? I never said block Martin from starting. In fact, the only one who should have lost his job here is Godfrey. As you said, he is a FA anyway.
Why fix what isn’t even broken?
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Godfrey has played "SS"
Godfrey has had playing time at “SS” for us since Q. Teal was such a piece of garbage player. Godfrey is more of a “SS” anyway and S. Martin is a young Ed Reed. We are fine with the Safeties we have.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Martin is a young Ed Reed?
You like overstating things, don’t you?
They didn't do that?
Two draftees are starting at FS and SS
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What I mean is
Why feed us that garbage…and then tell the two guys they drafted (Connor and Anderson) that they are not good enough to start?
Do or do not. There is no try.
you dont
If you just insist on being negative then go ahead. Doesn’t make sense but whatever floats your boat guys.
Can’t wait to see your attitude change when we are just rediculous.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As a fan that is our right, steven
It seems like there are people on this thread that will not question any of these moves like they are lining up a front office job or something.
Do or do not. There is no try.
yeah everyone has right got it
Let’s take me for an example. I’m not inline for a FO job.
But I’m looking at the team. Where it was. How its changed. Why its changeing. Where its going. What its going to take for us to get there.
If we cut Beason then I would be over here crying a river with you guys that are. That wouldn’t make sense. That would be counter productive to our team. But we traded a guy who didn’t fit the system. There’s really nothing to be upset with the FO about. They are doing their job…well I might add.
I get it that some of you guys liked him. You guys would probably have close to the same reaction if Jaxon said he was going to the bears blog from now on and going to cheer for them.
Just get over it people its not a big deal. They are smarter than us. So just deal with it.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 2:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless you intended to say that we will be diculous once again...
then the word you’re looking for is ridiculous.
Grammar nazi in tha howse!
*the
*house
*and capitalize Nazi.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you can kiss something
Lol
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 1:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude...
…you cite the departure of one cherished veteran and that’s enough to declare Hurney a traitor to his own philosophy of building through the draft. The lets Fox play Sherrod Martin and Charles Godfrey…both draft picks. Harris was a free agent acquisition.
guys, chill
So you are happy with this move? Wow you change your mind quickly
Do or do not. There is no try.
This is not a sky-is-falling moment...
That’s all I’m saying. I won’t know if I’m ultimately happy with this move until I see the newly revamped defense on the field.
Why not let Harris play Nickel LB or something...shoot, special teams
this trade does not quite compute as a good value to me.
Do or do not. There is no try.
there really could be a lot more to this that we dont know
Maybe Harris wanted out. Maybe Davis isn’t coming back. Maybe Harris pissed someone off. Maybe Smitty didn’t like his face. We don’t know though.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 2:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We did ERL.
C. Godfrey – draft pick
S. Martin – draft pick
R. Pugh – draft pick
R. McClain -draft pick
R. Stanford – draft pick
R. Marshall – draft pick
CJ Wilson – draft pick
C. Gamble – draft pick
C. Munnerlyn – draft pick
Looks like pretty good drafting in the secondary to me ERL.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to the LB position
Anderson-drafted
Connor-drafted
Norwood-drafted
Williams-traded for
Do or do not. There is no try.
2 out of 3 starters ain't bad, though, right?
Beason – drafted
Davis – drafted
Williams – free agent (much like Na’il Diggs before him)
No biggie.
Sure, but we have 3 good LBs that should be allowed to fight for the SAM LB spot
I’d prefer that one of the three guys we drafted steps in. And they may not see Williams as much more than a backup and special teams guy, who knows
Do or do not. There is no try.
What if Williams is better than the guys we drafted?
Would you still go with the guy we drafted, just because we drafted him?
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
No, but then I'd expect Hurney to stop using the "build throught the draft" excuse
…when he sits on his hands while other teams get better through certain moves in free agency.
Don’t treat us like idiots for once.
Do or do not. There is no try.
ROFL!
Martin Benedict Hurney?
I spit my water when I read this
by The Duke Dude on Apr 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
"Moore. Moore will tear us apart, again!!
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
The thing everyone is forgetting...
I wish Hitman all the best, I really do… but when it comes to us trading players, signing them and losing them to the Bears we ALWAYS WIN… ALWAYS.
- Ricky Manning Jr: Solid in Carolina, horrible in Chicago
- Muhsin Muhammad: Outstanding in Carolina, mediocre in Chicago, back to outstanding in Carolina
- Chris Harris: Decent in Chicago, Oustanding in Carolina, ?? back in Chicago
- Jamar Williams: Decent in Chicago, ?? in Carolina
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True!
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I think Pep is going to stink it up in Chi town...
Except he gets to play the Lions twice a year…
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And he gets to own Bryant McKinney twice a year.
And Green Bay’s LT twice a year, the one that gave up 7.5 sacks in two games to Jared Allen.
Honestly, Pep chose well. He’s going to post 20 sacks next year, all from division games.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But everyone will see he's a paper tiger...
20 sacks against the NFC North and 1.5 against the rest of the league…
Still not a threat unless you’re GB, DET, or MIN
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
I'm a writer at WCG
and did a post on this a while back… LINK
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Fantastic Article!
I tip my hat to thee
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Oh man
He’s really gonna suck now…LOL
by The Duke Dude on Apr 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we should trade Clausen for Cutler then ;)
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uhhh.... no Peg!
flush
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bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
2010 moment of the year on CSR if it doesn’t happen
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I'm going to sue Chris Harris for Carpal Tunnel money if this turns out not to happen.
Wasted alot of good keystrokes on this one
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If this one falls through...
He is still going to be moved somewhere for someone
Do or do not. There is no try.
Dear sweet baby Jesus,
Don’t let this happen!
It will happen
Carolina more than likely wants more then just a backup LB that is good-decent on a good day. If this doesn’t happen man are we all a bunch of suckers.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Somebody on the Chicago blog said they heard Williams and a 4th rounder....
Maybe it’s the fine details
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If that's true
then not only do we get a solid player but we also get the silly draft pick. We got him for a 5th. I guess that’s happier.
Let's go my team!
I think he is worth a 2nd or 3rd to CHI
as crappy as their secondary is
Do or do not. There is no try.
maybe we can get them to throw in Olsen
I know I’m dreaming
Harris and Rosario for Williams and Olsen....
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Plus Martz doesnt think Olsen will get many balls….its just a matter of time before Olsen is moved, IMO
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hahahahahaha
Panthers trade smootie technician to Chicago for a deep dish pizza
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I think
he’s referring to the kicker we signed who made living as a smoothie man last year.
Let's go my team!
I know... that's the worst part... I can't even remember his name
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Can't we just call him Blueberry Blitz?
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oh...his name is...er
crap I looked it up today specifically so I could remember it…
Let's go my team!
Jamar Williams is no slouch.
When given the chance, he really shined in the Chi. The problem is that he played behind a perennial probowler in Briggs.
I don’t know if this means much, but back when Briggs was a free agent and it looked like he was going to SF, the Bears organization seemed really comfortable to let Williams replace him at the Will.
That makes me feel better too... that was kind of what I was hearing on my end.
Harris makes the Bears immediately better… he’s better than any safety you have on the roster right now
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Very true.
Think about it this way. You got him from us for next to nothing, he then played 3 great seasons for you, and you are trading him for another great prospect and a draft pick. Not too bad.
Exactly.
I wasn’t really sure why you guys let him go in the first place… seemed like a classic ‘Bird in the Hand’ scenario with him and Archuleta.
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I welcome the trade
Our LBs and pass coverage have been strong… Any tweaking there I can trust the staff. My big concern is over the D-line, which is the sore spot/question mark right now on this team. But this trade doesn’t make that better or worse.
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omg with the D line
Its a new season…no one is on IR. Look at the depth chart. We have IMPROVED from the team that last walked off the field.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Peppers?
I’ll give you that overall things are good, but there was not a big-name replacement for JP.
(although that whole good JP/ bad JP thing got a little old).
by panthersnbraves on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ecept we wont have guys on the field with a questionable motor.
JP was Beast when he wanted to be. But we have guys that can get after the QB…Brown,Norwood, Johnson, Davis, Leonard, and I think Tyler will as well.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he is not going to start
And if he doesn’t act like he wants to then he won’t see the field with his 6 round ass. He better get humble real quick. I don’t play that shit. He ain’t JP period.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can't replace the entire line with guys that have never started
And declare we’ve improved. Is there potential for them to be improved? Sure… all young players have “potential”. But this should be considered an area of weakness until proven otherwise
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But they have started
just not a full season
Tough to see Harris go
But I am guessing (maybe hoping) that they are not done. Jamar Williams makes a good addition to the LB core. The trade was a fair one in my opinion.
To get full value of this trade, I reckon you have to turn around and deal Dan Connor for an upgrade at either DT or Safety.
Outside Steve Smith and John Kasay,
who else currently on the roster played in the Superbowl? I can’t think of any..
Not that it matters all that much. That Super Bowl was seven years ago. Long time in free agency football.
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 27, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And how many of those in the purge did?
Hoover, Moose hasnt been brought back, Jake. Any others?
by jojoisthemann on Apr 27, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Breath Guys
It’s a shock for me but I remember a coupla years ago the Panthers traded a draft pick for a safty I never heard of who didn’t even start in Chi but came here and set the field on fire. His name was Chris Harris…maybe we got the same situation today.
Wow, I go away for an hour or two and come back to this. O_O
My opinion: I agree with several people here in that it’s a good move in the speed and athleticism department as it pertains to Ron Meeks’s basic scheme. With any luck Martin and Godfrey will indeed make a better tandem at safety for that purpose.
I only hope Meeks can make an easy defensive transition from the Cover 1 we utilized back to whatever he’s going to use now.
who's next?
M.moore, smith, beason or davis, dwill or jstew? Beason mentioned he’s waitng on a contract ext. Smith is over 30. So he may b next…
by shaun_bass on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Davidson!
Swap him for a sack of footballs and some gatorade.
by panthersnbraves on Apr 27, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
On behalf of the Bears...
how about we trade our backup QB, Caleb Hanie straight up for Beason? Sounds fair, right?
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If you agree within the next five minutes...
I’ll throw in one of my wife’s homemade pecan pies!
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
throw in a signed Cutler jersey and you have a deal!
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SOLD!
But does it have to be signed by him, or can anyone sign it? Nevermind, too late… DONE DEAL!
Expect your shipment of one Caleb Hanie, a homemade pecan pie, and a “signed” Cutler jersey in the mail within one to two business days. Just be cautious, Cutler jerseys usually get intercepted in the mail… oh, no he didn’t!
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone knows Jay Cutler can't write!
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Intercepted in the mail ... haha, that's a good one
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CH just put this up on his facebook page:
For those who saw my tweet earlier about being traded, pay no attention to it. Nothing is official yet. I jumped the gun. Just stay tuned to my Facebook profile and I’ll confirm or deny things to you later…
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If this doesn't happen... the Panthers FO is going to be pissed
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It probably is waiting for someone to pass a physical
Too much smoke for no fire
In case anybody's forgotten...................................
We weren’t that good last year and we didn’t make the playoffs. I know there are emotional ties to Harris, Hoover, Moore, etc., but from a football standpoint, why would you keep the same guys that made up a mediocre team last year. I’d be much more upset if Hurney and Fox were standing pat. Get a grip.
but they weren't the problem
well if they were, the D-line issues and Jake’s elbow obscured them. I admit to being sentimental, and wish Hoover could have gotten one more year, and then retired.
I’m kinda wondering what happens to Kasay……
by panthersnbraves on Apr 27, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a little bit late to the party.
But now I’m here to say that this is complete BS. First the Armadi Edwards trade, now we’re getting rid of Chris Harris?
What the hell is going on here? Have our brains fallen out? Do we get off at being stupid?
We have all the linebackers we need. Mr. Anderson and Dan Conner more than proved their worth in the 09 Pre-Season. Why the hell would we randomly trade Chris Harris, an important leader of this team now that we’ve lost so many veterans, for a player we don’t need? And for a linebacker on top of that! You’ve got to be joking me.
This isn’t a victory for the Panthers. Any way you look at it, we’re trading down. If we get a pick back for it, then it needs to be a high one. A straight up trade for Jamar Willis is a big hell no from me. Chris Harris is simply too important to trade away right now, member of our blog or no.
If we were going to trade anybody, we should trade our FS on the other end, Charles Godfrey. He’s the one that deserves to be dealt, not Chris Harris. Anyone remember a guy named Sherrod Martin? The guy that made 3 times as many interceptions in just a few games while Charles Godfrey was warming the bench? Godfrey is the guy we should be trading, not Chris Harris.
I object. I strongly object. If I wasn’t objecting to this trade, then I would be busy painting my own pants brown. Trading Chris Harris back to the enemy, what is the world coming to? We don’t need this! As a matter of fact, I’ve objected to so many things the Panthers have done lately. I objected to the releasing of players like Moose and Hoover. I objected to the Edwards trade and ((Maybe, still pondering it)) for the pick for Jimmy Clausen.
This doesn’t make sense from the fan aspect of it. This doesn’t make sense from the business side of it. Hell, this doesn’t make common sense! But then again, I haven’t understood a lot of the moves the Panthers have made lately. All I know is if I see a freaking rookie starting at SS next year, I’m going to be very irate.
I sure as hell hope this trade doesn’t go through.
/end rant
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Martin and Godfrey will be starting
But overall, I agree.
Still says 'finalizing' in that link
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Now it's been updated
Straight up for Jamar Williams
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Wow.
This is crazy. Absolute worst move I’ve seen yet this off-season. Sherrod Martin better get the start. I’m beginning to lose faith in the upstairs of this franchise.
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Godfrey at SS, Martin at FS per Darin Gantt
Coaching staff wanted to find a way to get them both on the field at the same time
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That's good at least.
I’m still upset about the trade though.
Maybe we owed the Bears a favor?
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its about speed Rev
Harris can’t cover. He is good for run support and turnovers and a leader blah blah. But we need the coverage for this D and Harris couldn’t provide it.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree. The problem with our pass defense was that our D-Line sucks.
You can have two of the best shutdown corners in the world, but if our D-Line cannot get to the QB and provide pressure, it’s all for naught. Godfrey is by far a much lower quality corner than Chris Harris. He was constantly getting beat deep, only improving his play when Sherrod Martin was pressuring to start. Godfrey got the first interception of his career only after Sherrod Martin was finished with his wonderful 2 INT performance against the Bills.
I don’t like this trade. I don’t like it at all. Grr!
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Chris Harris is not fast
He can not cover well. Not well enough to cover half of a field. Godfrey is fast and can cover. Guys get beat it happens. But honestly if you were to put one of our safeys on the other teams slot or TE who would it be?
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
POSTED BY CHRIS HARRIS 19 MINUTES AGO ON FACEBOOK
Chris Harris For those who saw my tweet earlier about being traded, pay no attention to it. Nothing is official yet. I jumped the gun. Just stay tuned to my Facebook profile and I’ll confirm or deny things to you later…
Hey, have you guys heard they traded Chris Harris?
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I think most of the CSR board is currently borrowing it...
And it looks like it might be a while before you get it back.
That's the word on the street...
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you'd call this thread a 'knee jerk reaction' Sniff?
by jojoisthemann on Apr 27, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
chuckle
it was for awhile, but it’s a done deal now
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well...
I remember many games where we were getting beat deep. We’re upgrading the coverage by having godfrey and martin on the field at the same time. however, it was our run defense that was worse than our pass defense. maybe that was due to us falling behind early and teams foregoing the pass to run out the clock. either way, i don’t see trading harris for a back-up. i don’t get it, but i’m gonna trust the staff cuz my choices are limited at this point.
ESPN is calling it an upgrade over James Anderson and Dan Conner
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Wonder what Norwood will play then? DE-OLB hybrid?
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I think hybrid
i would focus on ulitizing his best skills early —> pass rushing. he will help fill the void left by Pep. Our run defense is what I am worried about. i think they want an all round fast defense to swarm.
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by WillParker81 on Apr 27, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
true, true
if harris stayed, would he still be the starter?
by usana_gaines on Apr 27, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We all assume so because he's that's the emotional response...
But who knows? Harris was a safety who really didn’t fit the kind of guys Meeks utilized in his previous systems.
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I would hardly call that an upgrade.
An upgrade would have been something like moving Godfrey back to corner and throwing Sherrod Martin into the lineup.
Trading Chris Harris and moving Godfrey to SS is probably just leaving our Safeties position the same. Good grief. This is ridiculous. A missed opportunity to improve our secondary. What are we thinking? >.<
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it looks like he wanted to go:
Already, multiple major media sources are on top of it, calling the trade everything but a done deal and Harris has already spoken to the Chicago Tribune: "It hasn’t been official. But I will be with the Bears soon. It’s about to happen and I am excited, man. This is great."…but, you know, at risk of being punk’d, we’ll just sit back and wait it out.
Anyone else excited that we no longer have a Godfrey v. Martin argument to worry about?
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Now we have the Moore vs Clausen vs Pike argument!
yay for QB competition anyone?
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QB competition in Carolina????
Never thought I’d see it! I’m excited to see how the guys all do
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maybe pike in a few years.
moore = this year
clausen = watch and learn
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by WillParker81 on Apr 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha! I never really considered it an argument to begin with.
Martin for victory, crushing his opponent while Godfrey gets to be starter because he’s a vet. =p
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My prediction on this trade
Harris will go from being solid in Carolina to mediocre in Chicago. Williams will become an immediate contributor, starting beside Davis and Beason, becoming one of the top linebacker corps in the league. Briggs meanwhile will get injured leaving a void at that position with Williams gone. In 4 years we’ll trade Williams back to Chicago to replace Briggs, and start all over again.
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As farcical as it seems, history indicates that this is the most likely chain of events.
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Just spit water all over my laptop.
Thanks for the funny.
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I think he moght Play Davis position.
Do you know that Thomas Davis has not signed his tender yet? You only know about Marshall, but Thomas Davis hasn’t signed his yet.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
May sound stupid, but...
What happens if a player never signs their tender?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't play in the NFL
They would have to sit for a season and then re-enter the league as a UFA
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Wonder why hasn't Davis signed his tender yet
I haven’t heard anything about Carolina and Davis having any disagreements?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's an interesting one.
He’s an absolute super star, but he’s coming off a knee injury, so that’s a a worry.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
he doesn't have to play that season or show up for TC
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Reply to ElBacano....... As a Bears fan..........
We still have plenty of depth at the linebacker positions.Jamar Williams should instantly upgrade your linebacking corpse.Nick Roach, is going to most likely replace Briggs in the future.I really don’t know why we traded back for CH….We have two young capable SS on are team right now, let along with the addition of CH.I always liked Jamar Williams a ton, he has a high ceiling.With the right coaching, he should be a star for a few years to come…….
by I love football! on Apr 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic
Based on how Moose, Manning JR and Harris performed in Carolina compared to Chicago. We have seemed to get the better side of those deals.
How do you guys feel about Peppers? I’m one of a few Panther fans that think he is going to leave a huge hole here.
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not speaking for ILF,
but most of us are really excited about the addition of Peppers. He’s an instant upgrade, no matter how you feel about him, over what we had.
And his contract is actually done quite nicely (LINK), where it’s not going to cripple us in the long run. We can even release him, with little to no ill effects, should he not work out.
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll be a beast in 2010
He’s got something to prove after the way things ended in Carolina
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I think our front office is mentally challenged
How do you trade a starting Safety whose contract expires in 2012 for a reserve OLB who is a restricted agent and had a low tender (ofwhich we could have just picked him up for a 6th or 7th round pick) without getting a draft pick. Except Chris demanded a trade, i say this is the dumbest move by this franchise. This guy is going to make $1.1 million this season which means he was only tendered for either a 7th round or with no draft compensation at all. So all of a sudden u realise u like or need him. I don’t like this trade and even if he excels in the system, this is still a dumb move. I guess they are so excited about Clausen that they are giving players away.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
Nothing to do with Clausen, everything to do with Godfrey and Sherrod Martin
When Sherrod gets 7 or 8 INTs at FS you’ll forget all about it
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Yea but,
Why do you trade him for a reserve OLB? The guy was available before now. If you read Chris’ post about been traded for a low pick and how he had that chip on his shoulder. I think we should at least get a draft pick for this.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re getting hung up on Jamar Williams’ role on the Chicago Bears, which has no bearing on what he would do for the Carolina Panthers. He was behind Lance Briggs, the perennial pro-bowl OLB.
Chris was traded from Chicago for a 5th round pick.
Chris was then traded for Jamar Williams, who was a 4th round pick.
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Williams has loads of potential,
and like I said above, if given the chance, can be very good for years to come. He’s been learning the linebacking position behind Briggs and Urlacher and has excelled when given the chance to start. That’s my opinion, anyhow.
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We appreciate your opinion... you know a lot more about him than we do.
I definitely don’t share the opinion that Jamar Williams is a scrub, people are just upset because Chris Harris posted here a lot.
Enjoy having him as a Bear, I’m sure he’ll stop by your blog soon
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Yeah,
I was sad when we traded him to you guys and glad to have him back. That said, I do think this trade is good for both teams. Even if we have 150 strong safeties and one (rookie) free safety (who some say is a ss) on roster.
Kevin Payne, as I’m sure you know, does some post over at WCG now. Maybe we can double dip in the NFL pool.
On another side note, I’m hoping to come visit you guys this year when Chicago comes to town. I live in Charleston, SC and plan on heading up for the game. I hope you’re fans are more cordial than the Redskins fans were when I visited FedEx Field.
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Payne and Harris are having a battle over who's the better bowler...
should make for some fun posts.
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Nice to know another Charleston resident is on the SBN network
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Monks Corner, nice.
I live right off Daniel Island, down in the trees that is Clements Ferry Road. About the same age, but with one kid, and we both write for a sbnation site.
Brother-from-another-mother?
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty close to Isle of Palms.
I actually work about five minutes away, on Hwy 17.
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I know right...
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Yea jaxon
I mentioned on another thread when you said something about Rivers Ave. I used to work on Rivers back in Panthers superbowl times
Just let me know when dude.
That sounds like a good idea to me.
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I wish I could jump on board really bad.
But you guys are about 4 hours out from where I live. I’m way up here in Rock Hill. It would take forever to get down where you guys are at ^^;
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Actually 5
I live out in West Ashley, and already picked up my tix for the Chicago game.
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Ever go to Red Orchids?
It’s a Chinese Bistro between the Big Lots and Burlington. Shady sounding, I know, but it’s actually a really nice restaurant with some very good food. If you’ve never been there, I highly suggest it (and the Korean Style Steak or Crispy Walnut Shrimp).
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats one of the best Chinese restaurants I've ever been to
The Generals chicken is ridiculous. I used to go there so often me and the owner we’re on a first name basis.. I used to live in WA about 2 min from there right by north bridge
Yeah, we've been regulars there for years now.
Tony and Kelly are good peoples, and my wife and I hang out with Will and Anastasia (she used to work there) on occasion. Their food is far superior to any other Chinese food I’ve ever had, and is right up there with Basil downtown, as far as quality and taste.
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You really don't like the fact that he is a blogger do you?
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I thought the blog was about Panther football.
His personal stuff left me unimpressed. I felt he used his position as a player to use us as his personal sounding board for stuff that should better have been on Facebook. We would deteriorate quickly if everyone here did that. JMO.
The blog is about Panther football...
But I don’t see why there’s a problem with a Panther player blogging about his life outside of football. It’s not like he’s taking up every single post with every single thing he does. We’ll just have to agree to disagree I guess – of course it doesn’t even matter anymore since Harris is no longer a Panther.
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smudgers just ate a granola bar and is about to watch Green Street Hooligans for the fifteenth time.
What, wrong platform?
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So ur point is u trade a guy who has proven to be a starter to a guy you believe can be a starter but it's not proven yet.
Ok, if u were my GM, i would fire u on the spot. I am not saying Jamar can’t be productive. He’s has to prove it. I just think The bears got the better part of this deal.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If they played the same position then your argument might ring true, but they don't
Panthers have two promising prospects who they like at S in Sherrod Martin and Charles Godfrey and two players they don’t have enough faith in with Dan Connor and James Anderson.
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Also
Doesn’t matter if he get 7or 8 interceptions if he can’t tackle. A prime example is Darren Sharper. He had 9 interceptions last deason, but he’s a liablilty in run support. Nobody has given him a contract yet.
by panthertillidrop on Apr 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless...
he’s being traded for someone else also named Chris Harris who looks, acts, plays and tweets exactly like our Chris Harris, I don’t want to hear about any upside!
I didn’t think anything could make me madder than getting ride of Hoover, but this may just be it.
One thing's for sure...
Carolina will look a lot different come next season. We’ll see if that’s a good or bad thing.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
I love the idea of getting Martin on the field at FS
I worry Godfrey won’t be the leader at SS that Harris is but think he is better suited for SS versus FS.
I think we need for make those T-Shirts Jaxon...to replace the hitman ones.
“In Furney We Trust”
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Yes...I was already thinking we've got to repalce the Hitman shirts
but hopefully we just change the number! Hitman Hardy! #76
What about.... SANTA CLAUSEN!
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Santa Clausen is coming to town!
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That just sounds like a Norwegian house during Christmas.
One where they never really got a firm grasp of English.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
What about if the picture is Jimmy putting together some Ikea furniture?
I know it’s Swedish… but it fits
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THAT IS THE SCARIEST LOOKING CHRISTMAS SPECIAL EVER!!!
That which is seen cannot be unseen! Unclean! Unclean!!!!
Chris Harris via FB. “The deal is done. I’m now a member of the Chicago Bears. I’ll be back here on Facebook a little later to tell you Carolina Panthers fans how much I love ya and you Bears fans how much I look forward to playing for you again.”
by CarolinaPanthers on Apr 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
This is what we're going to miss.
Chris Harris 09 stats: 58 tackles: 42 solo and 16 assisted, 3 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 6 passed defended
That’s starting safety stats right there! Oh well. Good luck to the Hitman!
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Just putting it out there
Sherrod Martin had 23 tackles, 18 solo, 3 INT, 1 FF and 4 passes defended in 5 starts
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Pat Yasinskas
“In related news, Carolina public relations guru Charlie Dayton now is in the market to add someone to announce Panthers’ news before it’s official, now that Harris and his Twitter account are out of Charlotte.”
so.....
this off season we got Jamar Williams from the Bears and they got Chris Harris and Julius Peppers from us.
Don't think their so lucky...
With Peppers in Chi Town an international gang of Jetskiing ninjas will be right around the corner to spy on the DE wherever he goes!
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by James Dator on Apr 27, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are! You type that with a they're! Not their!
Grammar nazi strikes again!!!
*Capitalize Nazi
*Really? Six exclamation marks in one post? Three in one sentence? Really? You’re the worst grammar Nazi ever. Consider yourself fired.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And not to make matters worse..........
The draft pick we used from the Chris Harris trade is are starting CB, and he had 6 int last year…..Jamar Williams is a real solid pick up! Next to Beason, with Williams playing his natural position you guys just traded yourself a steal!
by I love football! on Apr 27, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
hey guys
bears fan here, who lives in charlotte. Jamar is going to be great for you guys, he would have started for us except for he’s sitting behind lance briggs. yall are getting a hell of a player, and wouldn’t be surprised if jamar made the pro bowl with the panthers.
we traded chris harris to the panthers a few years back, in which i felt you guys got a steal. this trade is fair this time around.
Again, appreciate the words from Bears' fans
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no problem
i’m a panthers fan second, but my bears come first, always. anyone else notice the insane amount of FA deals and trades that have happened between the panthers and bears? muhammed, peppers, chris harris… the list goes on and on
Dante Wesley... after that, I sort of lose track.
Anybody else?
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
From Carolina
Basanez, Brett | 06-08 | 09-present
Gaines, Micheal | 04-06
Manning Jr, Ricky | 03-05 | 06-07
Muhammad, Muhsin | 96-04 | 05-07
Omiyale, Frank | 07-08 | 09-present
Shaw, Tim | 07 | 09-present
Wesley, Dante | 02-05 | 06
And now Peppers and Chris Harris coming back…
To Carolina
Harris, Chris | 05-06 | 07-present
Mitchell, Qusim | 03-05 | 06
Muhammad, Muhsin | 05-07 | 08-present
Oshinowo, Babatunde | 07 | 09
Scott, Ian | 03-06 | 08
Walker, Darwin | 07 | 08-09
Wesley, Dante | 06 | 07-present
I posted this above, but I did a write-up on this over at WCG (link) a while back.
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
With the way the defense is changing for Meeks
Harris isn’t the best fit. But he’ll be great for you guys… you’re the one who made him what he is.
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WTF
I go away for a couple of one hour meetings..
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHILE I’M GONE?!?!?!?!
WE TRADE THE HITMAN BACK TO CHICAGO?!?!?!?!?!?!
GOD I CANT LEAVE FURNEY ALONE FOR ONE FREAKING MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon Tater... at least you got Armanti!
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Man....
Armanti Edwards in a Carolina jersey means the world to me….
But why did they have to sour it up with this?
This trade (right now at least with emotions running high) makes no sense.
Glad i got an autographed Chris Harris Panthers jersey while it lasted….
Why do I have an image in my mind of a fully clothed Tater wearing his autographed Hitman jersey in the shower sobbing as the cold water showers down on you?
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That and/or 'The Crying Game' or Ace Ventura (which is a parody of 'The Crying Game')
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Finkle and Einhorn...Finkle and Einhorn
Einhorn is a MAN – Oh my GOD!!!
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Why do I have an image of a fully unclothed Tater sobbing into his Hitman jersey in the shower?
I’ll trade my image for yours. Please.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if they asked him
because it seems to convenient he goes back to CHI after he’s always talking about it and loving on it
i'm not kidding
i just checked, he was wearing a bears hat at a panthers event!!!
haha i know i’m just freakin out
Sorry Shockers, thats a Cincinnati Reds baseball hat
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Oh god... someone just broke Shockers...
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Gantt seems okay with the deal...
daringantt
Bears were desperate for S help. Williams a nice player. RT @vwesr Do you think we r being properly compensated?
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Keep in mind this is the same Gantt that wanted us to keep Jake...
Just sayin’
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Now we have Clausen... I kind of wish we did too.
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True, but he is still bitter about it
He wanted Jake to still be the starter, based on some of his writings…
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Really?
After over half a decade of starting and cashing a huge cheque every week, I doubt Delhomme would have been the perfect team mate for the blue chip QB looking to take his job.
Not to mention I’d cry if he was starting next season.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
Cheque?
Where are you from, OldhamA? You’ve got some very British (or, similarly, modery colonial) spelling going on there.
But yeah, there’s no instance in which I’d like to see Jake taking snaps from under center during the regular season. And that’s coming from someone who has been a huge proponent of Jake and his style of quarterbacking for a long time. “He’s no Peyton,” I used to say. “But he gets the job done!”
But he sure would be good to have around right now to help with Clausen’s development and the understanding of his role as a leader on the team. Even if Jake wasn’t Peyton when it came to throwing the football or reading defenses, he was a fantastic leader of men.
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just pissed
That now we gotta see him AND peppers come to us this season.. They’re gonna be bloodthirsty when playing us, no doubt.
And who do you fear more in their "reunion" game?
Pep or the Hitman?
by r3 on Apr 27, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 2:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 2:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not a question of who will be more dangerous.
It’s question of whether we’ll score 3 or 13. >_<
This entire offseason, I've been defending Clausen from critics. Now I got an even better reason to.
by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This just in....
In Panther-Bears game in 2010, Godfrey and Martin pick off Cutler 23 times!
by The Duke Dude on Apr 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
per Pat Yasinkas (so take this with a grain of salt"
Although the Panthers have an opening on the strong side with the departure of veteran Na’il Diggs, they want to see James Anderson, Dan Connor and rookie Eric Norwood compete at that spot. Williams could move over there if the Panthers don’t think they’ve found a starter. But it’s more likely he’ll stay on the weak side and be a backup to Thomas Davis, who is coming back from injury.
Sounds like we may have traded for a back-up
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
no
i’m actually serious. jamar has all the tools to be a pro bowler, he would have started for us except we already had lance briggs holding down the WLB position
no offense
But if Davis hadn’t gotten hurt last year he would have been starting at the Pro Bowl in front of Briggs.
by adamwanderer on Apr 27, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This is leading me to believe that maybe the organization either isn't confident with Davis' recovery, or don't think they'll resign him.
I love me so TD… but we honestly don’t know how his rehab was going
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He's my favourite Panther.
He’s probably our best player when healthy.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
not a chance
Davis is playing lights out…he was on the way to the pro-bowl before blowing out his knee last year
by SouthernPanther on Apr 27, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if Davis is playing on one leg.
He’s an absolute stud when healthy.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
That makes me feel even better
It shows that the deal was made because of how much the Panthers like Martin and Godfrey, rather than how much they disliked Connor and Anderson
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So you're happy we traded a starter for a backup?
Why not trade him for one of their DL. Trade one Harris for another, or Dusty Dvoracek, I like him. Or, what a novel idea, KEEP HIM AND RUN THE COVER 1!!! IF IT AIN’t BROKE, DON’T FRIKKEN FIX IT!!!!
/rant part 1
This entire offseason, I've been defending Clausen from critics. Now I got an even better reason to.
by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Dusty can be had for free.
We waived him last August.
He’s got a ton of potential, but can’t stay healthy.
- had a foot injury in the preseason of ’06
- got a season ending injury in his first start of ’07
- injured his calf before training camp, came back and had another season ending injury later on in ’08,
- sprained MCL and an injury to his ACL in preseason, ending his play of ’09
Four consecutive years on IR, we refer to him as Mr. Glass.
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by David Taylor on Apr 28, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
After perusing through the few hundred comments here...
I think I’ve been swayed to an optimistic outlook. Williams’ numbers certainly aren’t eye-popping during his career so far, but considering he was buried behind other linebackers on da Bears’ depth chart, who’s to say he doesn’t come here and challenge TD & Beason for the title of “#1 reason RBs hate crossing the line of scrimmage”? That would be one hell of a three-way tie.
I’ll miss Chris, but I have to admit that all this change is getting me excited. We’ve already tried the “21 of 22 starters returning” spiel, so why not go in a completely different direction? We can’t do any worse than 7-9! (I’m pretty sure that’s in Foxy’s contract)
All the better if Meeks had any input in this decision, and figured Jamar to be a better fit for his system than Harris.
Hitman just restructured his contract... so Gantt is right, it's not about the money
Adam_Schefter
Bears S Chris Harris restructured his contract to a two-year deal, with a $500,000 roster bonus payable March 5 2011 – or it’s 1 year deal.
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Oh yeah he definitely prefers Chicago to Carolina.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
I've got the good ol' Clausen outlook on this
Hate it at first; warm up to it and like it later. He is our Hitman, though. :(
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
Michael Procton
No wait, Jake Delhomme
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lmfao!
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 28, 2010 2:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
650+ comments
WOW
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by Julius Coxswain on Apr 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
We are approaching game thread length!
Yeah…he was a beloved Panther for sure. He shared so much of his life with us…the trumpet, kids, fiance, charity work, etc…
I dunno... I think THIS is my most beloved Panther
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Jon Beason pre-snap
This is my most beloved Panther
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How can something so cut become something so scare… just scroll up and down between the two
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I think they feed them breast milk from Lawrence Taylor's mom
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LMAO!
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
In just a few years, it will tear your face off
kinda like Chris =(
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you broke my wife with that one James
she won’t stop awwwww’ing
by adamwanderer on Apr 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
More from Gantt on Williams
Williams gives the Panthers something they lacked: A legitimate backup MLB, though he’s primarily a WLB. Good special teams player too
SLB
Per what Gantt is saying he and Anderson will still fight for the job
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I've really been looking forward to Dan Connor......
breaking out. I don’t know what the problem is, but the coaching staff doesn’t seem to have much confidence in him.
I think we'll know more about this deal in a year
It reeks of the team being worried they can’t resign Thomas Davis and need a WLB in case they can’t bring him back
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True.
Time will tell. I think we’re getting back the value, as far as a football player is concerned. I don’t know if Williams will be able to live up the the high standards Chris has set as a person though.
Think about it this way though.
Even if he does a good job, and make no mistake Williams will probably start simply because we gave up Chris Harris, James Anderson and Conner could have done and have proved to have done just as well a job as he may do. Meanwhile, we do not have another player that can replace Chris Harris. Sherrod Martin will be a beast at the FS position, but in Harris’s place we move Charles Godfrey, a subpar safety at best, over to SS so that he can stink up that position and put Chris Harris’s good name to shame.
Good god. This is one sucky day for the Panthers.
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“Good god. This is one sucky day for the Panthers.”
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Conner was a legitimate late 1st round stud at Penn State
Says loads about how good our linebackers really are.
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I don't think he's quick enough to play MLB in the cover 2.
Which is a shame. He’d be a perfect fit for a D that doesn’t ask their MLB to cover so much ground.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
id say we
trade moore also and just go with it since we still rebuiling. just start afresh w/clausen and finish that argument…….
btw still mad about c.harris. great player on and off the field. i liked the guy before he came onto csr and he just inspired me more to get an account on here. YOURE STILL THE HITMAN!!!
If you trade Moore now and go with Clausen, and Clausen can’t take the pressure of the NFL and begins to suck, who do you turn to on the roster? Pike? Cantwell?
MM needs to stay on the team. He may not have a full season under his belt, but he has a helluva lot more experience in the NFL than the 3 guys behind him.
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i know
i love moore. just ranting about the abundance of change going on since it seems everyone’s so high on clausen
This is absof*ckinglutely ridiculous.
I’ll have to come back later after the initial shock wears off but I don’t know how I can continue to support a team that just made the stupidest f*cking move I can currently recall.
I’d rather root for a 2-14 Buc’s team at this moment.
All I can say is WTF, Richardson, Hurney, Fox, WTF are you guys stupid? F*ck Jamar Williams or whatever his name is, and at this moment, f*ck the Panthers too.
If my *’s aren’t enough censorship, feel free to remove my comment.
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C’mon D-Ranged, it will turn out fine. Hell, even your signature gives our draft an A. Not everything is bad in Pantherland, just a few different looks here and there.
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Yes, the draft was a success..
But trading Harris is completely unreasonable for any compensation. Wouldn’t give him up for their 1st round picks for the next 10 years. It’s just ridiculous and uncalled for. As a fan I want my team to win but also as a fan I love our play makers that give 110% every time they hit the field. When they start getting rid of our play makers, they start damaging my trust. Harris is, imo, the first playmaker to see the boot this year. Pep was a playmaker but only gave 50%, our DT’s were solid but far from playmakers. I just cannot fathom a reasonable explanation as to why we gave him up for practically useless compensation. I’ve supported them without question up until now but this is just one that crosses the line.
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That's ridiculous.
You wouldn’t give him up for a decade’s worth of first rounders? C’mon.
He’s a good player, but he doesn’t really suit this system we’ve installed.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
That's right.
So we upgrade a position we have plenty of talent at already, meanwhile leave SS open with no half decent player to fill the void.
I had hope for the defensive line due to expectations of an extraordinary secondary. That secondary just lost a good bit of the extra.
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Let's take a look at Williams before we call him useless
We had room for another LB since we cut 2 but drafted only one. Besides Williams fits nicely at back-up to MLB if Conner wins the SLB spot which i expect.
SLB: Conner, Norwood
MLB: Beason, Williams
WLB: Davis, Anderson
I'd rather see Norwood start..
Keep Conner and Anderson as back-ups meanwhile keeping Harris at SS.. I see no gain for us in this trade.
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THIS
I don’t know why we’ve decided to abandon the Cover-1 altogether. I know its not what Meeks is used to running, but it was successful with the personnel that we had. I see this as an unnecessary shuffling of players.
According to Chi fans the whole organization considers him a legit starte
That can’t be said of Anderson, Connor, and definitely not a rookie!
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But
We know for a 100% fact that Chris Harris was a legit starter in the Cover-1 we were running last year. I think moving from the Cover-1 is a bad idea, and I like it even less that its caused us to lose the playmaker in our secondary.
Yet the guys behind him were better in coverage
Harris allowed 2/3’s of passes thrown at him to be completed. Godfrey only half, and Martin less than half.
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And he's better in run support.
Not that I have stats to back that opinion up, but what I saw was him being an excellent “rover” and making plays. We’ve essentially got the same rag-tag defensive line as last year, just with our best run-stopping safety gone now.
If your safeties are stopping the run then you're already screwed
The d-line and LBs have to stop the run… Running backs have no business getting into the secondary of a good defense. And the d-line is returning 0 starters, how can you say its the same?
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I'm just saying the Cover-1 worked for us
And we actually are returning a starter: Brayton. But you’re right. Regardless though, we’ve got a pretty rag-tag bunch right now and almost none of them have proven anything. I don’t trust them to be run-stoppers yet, especially if Ron Meeks is building our line. His defenses have been notoriously bad against the run.
As others have mentioned
If T. Davis is taking longer than hoped to rehab, or doesn’t want to sign his tender, this is a great move.
this scares me a bit
B/c TD hasn’t signed his tender…. what if the FO knows something we don’t and just traded for his replacement? :( I hope I’m wrong
BTW I loved Chris Harris, way before I stumbled upon this gem of a website, he was an absolute missile in the open field causing havoc and fumbles galore! I’ll be sad to see him go, but like a man coming back from war, I have been completely desensitized due to what we experienced earlier this offseason. As long as we keep Smitty around… 100% will break down when he departs us (here’s to hoping he retires the greatest Panther ever… and Super Bowl Champeen!)
GSO
I'm gonna miss..
The way he’d always seem to put the last nail in the coffin when we won games. It seemed on more than one occasion he’d get a late interception or something that sealed the deal.
So I guess chicago is boycotting losing this year.
Meanwhile my hopes for a winning season are stretched severely thin due to this move. I know it’s not going to be the sole difference in a winning or losing season but it certainly makes me wonder wtf they are doing.
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This still just makes no sense to me.
I was so frustrated I had to call NFL radio to get their take on it (and I HATE Adam Schein!!!) and they had nothing for me. I just don’t understand. A proven veteran and playmaker…for a guy who has played 3 games….straight up?..it makes no sense..I was hoping we would at least get something else for compensation. Another player..or a draft pick..something.. I wan’t to believe in the Fo..but do you really believe that Godfey can lead our Secondary?…..I mean I know we were just getting the hang of Meeks system early on..but look how badly our secondary played when Harris was gone!..Please some one tell me that I’m missing something…
you are
Harris is too slow. He is a liability in pass coverage. And for him to be the big hitter he gets bitched too often…and he is becoming injury prone.
For what we are trying to do,Harris just doesn’t fit.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 27, 2010 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry for so many posts in a short period of time..
But this is insane. I feel absolutely betrayed by this organization. They just traded away a player that has became a face of this franchise and a cornerstone amongst fans. What other Panther was updating us damn near weekly here? Not a one. Chris gave a damn about his fans, and we gave a damn about him. Obvious solution, get rid of him.
I’m seriously lost like WTF.
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Yeah, I was grocery shopping and missed the break of the news :( lol
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by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, right about now, we could use MAJOR WRIGHT
A secondary of Captain Munnerlyn and Major Wright = UNSTOPPABLE
RIP CHRIS HARRIS' CAREER
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But-but-but
Now the bears are gonna boycot losing :(((
Forget about Britney, LEAVE BRANDON ALONE!!!!
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Hurney want to boycott winning, it appears
RIP CHRIS HARRIS' CAREER
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm 100% Carolina fan, and I've got to believe there's a plan
Obviously, we’re going younger and faster on D. I loved CH as much as anyone, but he is gone. I welcome our new young LB and hope he shines. We kept double trouble, the road graders, Mr. Smith, and other key players (at least so far). Meeks is gonna have to ratchet up the intensity for his new young’uns though. We’ve got a Beast, but not a legend like Ray Ray.
Anyhow, whatever the plan is, I just hope it’s not all about the CBA and potential lost year. But whatever, I back the Black and Blue.
The plan is we want a secondary that can cover
Harris can hit and tackle, but that is useless when the ball is thrown over your head. Trading for a LB who will help in run support, and replacing Harris with more of a ball-hawk makes complete sense in a Meeks style defense.
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Harris received the best coverage rating of any safety on the team here.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
The TD and INTs unfairly skew that rating
Most importantly, it says he was thrown at 32 times for 21 receptions. Meaning throwing at Harris our opponents have a 66% completion rate. Compare that to throwing at Martin is only a 43% completion rate or Godfrey 55%.
It’s becoming more clear why they are letting him go.
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True, he gave up more completions..
But he also allowed the least YAC of all our safeties. Honestly, this is one of those things that could go in circles forever. I just wish we had kept the Hitman :(.
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No it's not
Martin and Godfrey had much deeper covers, just look at their avg per reception. Harris was typically up closer where the TE’s are.
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It's not?
Because I could certainly argue you all night. Such as Harris having 1 less stop than every other safety combined. None of our other safeties seen near as many targets as Harris either, we don’t know how they will hold up to an increased load. This argument is tip for tap however you look at it and I’m really not looking to debate something that is now completely useless.
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I agree.
I’d much rather cry in my beer than argue this point.
In the last week we have traded 2 second round picks for a Brokeback Mountain QB, a projected 7th rounder/free agent QB who is somehow expected to learn how to be an NFL receiver in 6 months, and a linebacker that has never started a game in the NFL for his entire 5 year career. And on top of all of that, the icing on the cake, Jacoby Ford gets selected by the slopjaws called the Oakland Raiders!
I can give the organization the benefit of a doubt, and I’ll admit I probably kid about Jimmy Clausen. Probably. But when trades like this happen, it makes me want to bang my head against a metal mailbox multiple times to induce amnesia.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
((Two second round picks AND Chris Harris))
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Well you can blame Meeks then
It’s obvious bringing him in has caused trades like this. Fox has always been about running the ball and stopping the run. Now, like it or not, we are clearly going in another direction.
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Either way, Marty Hurney is a fool for making this trade.
Chris Harris is a better player than Charles Godfrey for any scheme. Cut and dry, period. If this other direction includes trading good players to other teams for players that suck, then I object! I point my accusing finger and all of that =p
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According to ProFootball focus
Opponents completed 2/3’s of passes thrown at Harris, but only half thrown to Godfrey.
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You have to remember though, he had a 5 game vacation because of injury.
By the time he came back, he was nice and fresh as if he was ready to begin a new season while his opponents were all worn out. I would have liked to see what would have happened if he had been with us for all 16 games.
ProFootball focus also rates Chris Harris as a better player more consistently in pass coverage than they do Charles Godfrey. =p
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skewed by INTs and a TD
I’ll happily trade his 20+ receptions allowed for 3 INTs.
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Don't doubt Armanti man.....
Clemson did (not a dig at you, I know you’re a Clemson fan), and he turned into one of the best players (along with Walter Payton and Stever McNair) that 1-AA has ever seen.
I doubt. Most definately.
It’s one thing for a QB to come to a team and be highly successful when he was previously expected to not be a success. It’s another thing for him to go to a new team, change to a position he hasn’t played consistently in almost half a decade, and at the same time throw him into an entirely new league where everyone plays faster, hits harder, and generally kicks more ass than anyone he would have faced in 1-AA football combined.
I believe I have plenty of room to doubt my dear good man. Even Marty Hurney and John Fox have both admitted he’ll need some time to develop. ^^;
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No doubt he'll need some time
But he’s been doubted his whole career and stepped up.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe down the line.
But still, we could have had him much later in the draft. No way I would have traded a future 2nd rounder for him. You could get a potential starter for that kind of grit.
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Getting him later is debatable
Gannt got a text from a NFC team that was about to pick him and its widely believed that the Colts were going to take him with their next pick.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Let them make that mistake then. Taking him that high is too much.
Any team that makes a trade like this is going to praise how wonderful of a bargain they got and how every team wanted him. That he was the secret talent no one knew about and so on and so forth.
Only time will tell I suppose. But trading a second round pick is too much. Unless he suddenly becomes the next Steve Smith out of nowhere, which I doubt, then I don’t like the move.
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Fair enough
But when some of the better personel guys in the NFL think he’s worth a 3rd round pick in an absolutely stacked draft (Hurney and Polian) and a 2nd round pick in next year’s draft (Hurney), I’ll trust them.
Of course, I’m a student at App, so I’m biased towards Armanti.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright.
I suppose we’ll see in the next couple of years. We’ll put this conversation on the backburner and see what happens!
Ever wish there was a fast-forward button on life? xD
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Often
Like now so I can get through my exams.
We didn’t trade anything for Jimmy Clausen.
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 27, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Except out soul
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Yeah but your name is D-ranged
Meaning I can only assume your argument is crazy.
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Well, at least I'm calm now..
Still don’t understand… can’t see the upside for us… guess I won’t see it until Williams starts lighting it up for us… then I’ll eat my above comment that referred to him as “useless”. Still expect Norwood to start. haha
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
I agree with what Jaxon wrote...somewhere in this novel of comments
WLB—Davis
MLB—Beast
SLB—Connor/Norwood
It looks like Williams could be a serviceable backup at any LB position.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Williams will win one of your starting spots.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Apr 27, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He better, because Harris for a backup LB is ASS
RIP CHRIS HARRIS' CAREER
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
Harris was a playmaker and damn fine as the rover in the Cover-1 we played last year. Should have kept that defense.
Dan Connor has first round talent
He was an early third round selection due to a deep draft at the MLB position. I will have to see more of Williams before I can definitively say that.
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He hasn't played like a starter
No where near as athletic as even Anderson
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?
He was all the rage in the preseason last year…granted it was in the preseason…but he looked pretty darn instinctive and did not miss a tackle (that I saw).
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Well I basing this on what I've heard on WFNZ from guys like Dan Morgan
They say he’s a bit stiff and doesn’t move his hips well. His mechanics are not very fluid. I’ve never played the position, so I just took it as he’s not very athletic :)
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You've read my take on Williams, I'm sure.
And it’s being rumored that Kevin Payne could be the odd man out in Chicago. Payne is quite similar to Harris. He doesn’t have the strip stats, nor is he the best cover corner, but the guy can hit and plays pretty well. He’d fill a need for you guys, imo, if he were to be released. I believe that he was also Harris’ replacement in College, and the Bears drafted him to replace Harris when he was traded to you guys.
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It doesn't seem like Meeks cares about "hitting" per say
He wants guys who can cover and make plays on the ball in the air. That is exactly what he has in the guys behind Harris.
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And we cannot act like Meeks' style of defense did the Colts very much good.
I will reserve further judgment until I see September football….but until we switched OUT of the ’Tampa 2" into the Cover 1 last year, our defense was a disaster.
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Again, this.
We’re agreeing on a lot tonight. The Cover-1 worked well for us, why scrap it?
We had one of the best pass defenses in the league
The reason run support sucked was because of our d-line. If the line can stop the run we’ll be really good.
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We agree that this is an "IF"
I’m hoping the size and strength of our DEs will compensate for our smaller DTs.
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I agree
D-line is my biggest concern on the entire team. I still don’t understand why so many here rave about these guys that have yet to prove themselves.
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Funny
We had a line with three pro-bowlers only 2-3 years ago, and now it is the biggest uncertainty on the team. Gotta love the modern era of free-agency!
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lol!
It’s like you guys broke up with your GF
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IT'S WORSE
RIP CHRIS HARRIS' CAREER
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
it's like your girl breaks up with you
and then humps another dude on the same day, and you’re stuck with her best friend who’s not attractive at all.
And you're still not sure that her best friend is really even a woman.
Wait, what?!
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
But you've heard stories from your friend..
About their friends friend that was with him/her and ended up with a very strange rash.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
Humping?
I was thinking more along the lines of…BUTT SEX
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by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
way to lower the tone of this sports based post!
Ive heard the law professor likes the asses =P
by jojoisthemann on Apr 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but our secondary sucked then too
I’m telling ya… this has Meeks written all over it!
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Does Jamar have a nickname?
We can’t trade the Hitman for a backup LB w/o a nickname.
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by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
Baby Beast?
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by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I vote for "Bruh-man"
In honor of the character on the 90’s sitcom hit “Martin.” Youtube it…its worth it.
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That may work...
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by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hurney quote (via Gantt):
“Jamar is a versatile LB who brings experience, athletic ability and can help on special teams as well as compete for time at LB."
A great safety and the leader of our defense for a special teams player. Get the fuck out, Hurney.
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by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 27, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
Are you kidding me?
Are you freaking kidding me?
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Give him a break, he never got a chance playing behind Briggs
All the Chicago fans say when he was in, he was a beast. It’s just like when they gave us Harris assuming he was a nobody. In 4 years will trade Williams back to Chicago for another up and coming player… These trades always work in our favor ;)
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We still don't need him though!
We have Dan Conner and James Anderson, whom are both beasts! We needed Chris Harris, he was a desperate last option that just happened to work out great for us. With this trade, we get a player at a position where we already have a lot of depth, IE: A player we don’t need.
That’s what kills me about this trade. Argh. I hate it. I’ll give him a break for sure. He’s just the player that gets traded. I won’t give Marty Hurney a break though, for sure. I shall bring upon him the fires of hell, beer, and red bull.
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Connor and Anderson shouldn't be starters
We really need this guy to be better than them. Harris on the other hand is expendable because Meeks is replacing him with guys who are better in coverage. This really makes a ton of sense when you look at it from a Meeks perspective.
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I think its the Meeks perspective a lot of us have a problem with.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I can understand that
But I am keeping my fingers crossed for him though, because we have so few Fox-style defenders left. If Meeks doesn’t work, then we’ll suck defensively… With or without Harris.
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My issue isn't this trade per se,
Its more about the shift away from a defense we used last year that was successful, which ultimately caused the trade. Why not use the Cover-1? It worked well for us. Just make sure we have a solid line and get pressure on the QB and at least some of our passing game woes will be fixed.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with this completely
Our pass defense was best at the beginning of the year… We were leading the league. We only adjusted to sure up the gaping hole we had in our run defense… which would never have been there if it wasn’t for injuries on the line. It was corrected when we brought in new guys… one of which looks to be a starting DT this year.
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So after he showed tremendous flexability in switching to the Cover 1 and we all praised him for it, now he influences a decision to get our defense closer to what he wants and he’s a moron?
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 27, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That was just to sure up a run defense
That was plagued with injuries. And the success had more to do with personnel changes.
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Your comment makes little sense
The fact that he made the changes to fix the run defense is not a strike against him, it’s in his favor.
Ditto on the personnel changes bit. The fact that we got guys who he thought would help our defense and it worked also is a point in his favor.
I really have no idea what you’re going for here.
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 27, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was replying in his favor
To this comment…
I think its the Meeks perspective a lot of us have a problem with.
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I didn't want the Cover-2 to begin with.
He has a track history of shoddy run defense, which is not the way to win in this league.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s not like the Colts ever won a Super Bowl with Ron Meeks or anything.
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 27, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And, ya know, Peyton Manning.
We’ve you’ve got one of the best QBs in NFL history, some things can be overlooked. I don’t like the “Tampa-2” defense. I don’t think it puts enough emphasis on stopping the run. I would have told you this when we signed him. I prefer a pair of (or at least one) big run-stopping DTs that take up a lot of space and allow the linebackers to make the plays. We were doing that with the Cover-1, and it fit our personnel.
Wow
When you’ve got* not We’ve you’ve got. I need to quit posting late at night.
Considering Peyton’s penchant for choking in the playoffs, using him as a crutch for your argument is kinda silly.
Granted it’s silly regardless, but you know.
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 28, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If you're ignoring the impact Peyton Manning
had on that Super Bowl run, then you’re the one being “silly”.
Did you see the Panthers' defence down the stretch?
I’ll grant that it was Cover 1, but whatever Meeks is doing I’m jumping on his bandwagon. Hell of a DC.
by jojoisthemann on Apr 28, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We do still have some pretty big bodies inside
but his defenses have a track record of being horrendous against the run.
I don't want Hurney to leave...
….but the team is obviously going in a new direction that I don’t like. We’re getting away from the “run the ball, stop the run” mantra of John Fox, and that concerns me greatly.
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A Bears fan's take:
“this is a steal for the Bears. That “20 tackle” game was actually 18, and it was against the Rams.
Fact is, the Bears lost 2 of their 3 starting LB’s for the season before halftime of Week 1, and Williams only started 3 games. He had an opportunity to step in and take a spot from Hunter Hillenmeyer and Nick Roach. Those guys aren’t exactly Butkus and Singletary.
I’ve been bitching about the lack of any presence in the secondary for 2 years and this move is way better than I figured they were capable of making."
On top of this, Williams will be an unrestricted free agent after the 2010 season.
Panic move…Was Thomas Davis’ knee amputated or something?
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Context would be nice. Is this Bears fan actually intelligent, or did you cite him simply because he agrees with you?
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 27, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams is a WLB
The two LB’s we lost were Urlacher (MLB) and Tinoisamoa (SLB). Hillenmeyer was our backup for Urlacher, and Roach was our backup for Tino. Williams backed up Briggs, who stayed healthy the majority of the year. When given the chance, Williams looked very good – as he has in the past.
Furthermore, most fans would have rather had Williams starting over Hillenmeyer. Some even wanted (ignorantly) to move Briggs to the middle, and have Williams take over at WLB. It was just a bad hand, in some ways, that Williams was dealt. But in other ways, he was mentored by some of the league’s best (and yes, I know that’s biased).
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by David Taylor on Apr 27, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt very many people would dispute that Chicago’s linebackers was the best or among the best with Urlacher was prowling around as a Bear.
+1
Not a bad place for a young LB to be learning the trade
by The Duke Dude on Apr 28, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Edit: should have read "linebackers were the best "
I’ve been posting too much with too little sleep. :-D
According to NFLN today the Panthers didn't draft any 2010 starters
They graded our draft a D. Didn’t mention LaFell at all, and said Clausen will not start because the Panthers have already declared Moore the starter.
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I actually agree with them
Having a rookie WR come in and contribute is rare. For all the Clausen love around here, he was still a true junior coming out. Edwards making the transition to a new position and getting ample field time seems like a stretch in his first year, if ever. The DBs have a chance to play on ST and in dime coverages, but that’s it.
by the bomb dot com on Apr 27, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, but am still hoping LaFell can step in quickly
I wonder if having skills like blocking will help him get in rotation more often… and therefore adapt quicker? But I won’t be surprised if we see very little of Clausen or Edwards. Norwood and Hardy might get opportunities though.
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Yep, that's pretty much correct
There will be packages for Norwood, Hardy, as pass rushers, and Edwards in some kind of wildcat/slot/gadget deal, and LaFell will get on the field. But as far as starters, we may have 2-3 in 2011 or 2012 out of this group.
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I think Edwards will be a lot of fun in preseason
But then disappear in the regular season. Fox is not creative enough to use him very much. And as a WR he has too much of a learning curve to contribute immediately.
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I chuckle every time I see someone say about the learning curve it will take before Armanti can get on the field....
Armanti, fake that safeties jockstrap off at the line, and run at a 45 degree angle, this is called that slant route. When you catch it, if you feel pressure, get down, if you see daylight, run like hell towards our endzone.
Doesn’t take a Myron Rolle intelligence to grasp that. That’s how he will get on the field in 2010. Yes, learning how to beat coverage in the full route tree will take time, practice and hard work. But Armanti can get on the field from day 1 if needed.
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He hasn't played WR since friggin high school
You don’t just throw any athletic person on the field and poof an instant effective receiver. Dude is a project.
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Well, I was going to just let this one go, but I cant
I truely hope you didn’t read the entire post that you responded to.
If you did, then:
A) You think that Armanti Edwards is too stupid to learn a slant route in the 4 1/2 months before the season starts; or
B) He doesn’t have the athletic ability to get open on the easiest route to get separation..
My bet is, you read the title line, didn’t bother to actually read the entire post.
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No I'm saying you're wrong in thinking it's so simple
A slant route has a lot to do with timing… the QB releases the ball often before the receiver even has time to look for it. He has to have good hands AND then immediately take a hit from or dodge a free safety without dropping the ball.
The truth is, it’s hard for rookie WR’s to get a lot of playing time regardless of where they’re drafted.
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LOL
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Sniff, have you played football before?
Not trying to insult you, but Southie (sorry el bacon, can’t call you that) made a pretty good point about the slant route. I’m not sure you understood that based on your “LOL”
This entire offseason, I've been defending Clausen from critics. Now I got an even better reason to.
by Flowing Willow on Apr 29, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
How has that worked out
for guys like Matt Jones, Brad Smith, etc?
Route running can be an art form, and even guys who have played the position for years aren’t necessarily great at it.
I’m not saying it’s hopeless- look at Randel El, Hines Ward, et al.
Basically, we’ll learn a lot about Edwards’ work ethic and ability to make adjustments to his game.
by the bomb dot com on Apr 27, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So we keep getting told by experts like those that we need to address our WR position, and when we do they dismiss it anyway? Brilliant.
by SlayerGhaleon on Apr 27, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprise surprise...
When you go BPA, you don’t always have an immediate starter, but you often get studs at a great bargain. Also, everything I’ve heard Foxy say it sure sounds like there will be an open QB competition. That said, Clausen will likely sit the beginning of the season.
Panthers Franchise; Day 1
1) Trade for Chris Harris.
2) …….Well I haven’t got that far yet but #1 is definite.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
I've got to be worlds worst at controlling a defensive player..
So I stick with the DT, seems like the easiest position to control haha.
Overall Panthers Draft Grade: A
I'm the same way.
Hurrah for the hitstick! Kick that QB’s ass!
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That's me
DT/DE all the way. Hit that QB!
by bravesfan91 on Apr 27, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I am warming up to the deal
Think back a min;
Harris was basically a unknown backup when we got him from the Bears and he was blocked by great depth in their secondary. Now they want him back fine b/c now that have seen video, read comments, stories on various Chicago’s bloggers sites the Bears are really upset by losing Williams.
Williams is a great young LB that we thrive in a R. Meeks system; he has speed can tackle and he is way better than anything that L. Johnson ever brought to the table.
Remember Johnson was brought here to be a starter opposite T. Davis and J. Beason for years to come. Johnson was a complete failure and really never fit our system simply put he was too slow and never had any fire on the field.
J. Williams does I love the other post on here w/ a Bears fan. I believe we may have scored a great young player that is ready to explode on the NFL scene. Williams has good height, great speed, knows how to play every LB spot correctly having learned from Briggs and Urlacher and lastly he is complete team player and never complained about being blocked by either player.
We needed another LB and we had plenty of great young “S” that need to play. I completely trust R. Meeks more than any other Defensive coordinator then we have ever had. I have warmed up to the deal and feel much more comfortable about the deal after doing some research on the guy.
We are still going to take the NFC South next season mark my words.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
We took a backup, wore him out as a starter, then sent him back for another.
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Well if nothing else...
…I hope Chris Harris appreciates what a response his trade has generated. :-D I’ve never seen a thread go this batshit this fast.
Okay, here's part 2 of the earlier rant
Boil this down, and we traded the leader of our secondary for a backup linebacker!!!!!! Williams is a WLB, he’s not going ot start above Connor, Anderson, hell maybe not even Norwood. Lets not sell our guys short, I believe Godfrey will be more or less fine at strong safety, but he will not be at the level Harris was. Martin at FS is good, but splitting time at FS would have been just fine too! That way we get three good secondary players onto the field instead of six linebackers!!!!! Connor was hihgly regarded coming out of college, and I haven’t seen anything to dispute that. The man is a little stiff, but he is a form tackler and has killer instincts. He will find the ball, maybe even moreso than Williams. I mean, an 18 tackle game is impressive, until you look at who he played. James Anderson is fast and good for Meeks, he has great range, can tackle sloppy at times, but he is better in pass coverage than Williams. Norwood is sure as hell a better blitzer than Williams, so tell me, what the bloody flip have we upgraded with this move? Our backup linebacker slot. Hell, if we have to trade a starting player to get a half decent backup, then every team is frikken screwed. I see a lot of you pimping guys cut from other team, and I agree with you, the value will be their. So why not wait and get a backup linebacker their? And for Chris Harris not fitting our scheme, the Cover 2 worked pretty darn well when we used it last year. I remember gushing about Meeks, when we ran the Cover 1. I’ve said this before, if it ain’t broke, DON’T FRIKKEN TRY TO FIX IT!!!! Harris is fine in coverage, he shut down multiple athletic tight ends last year, Chris Cooley comes to mind, especially after Jason Witten raped our D the last time we played. I am sorry, but I do not agree with this move in any shpae or form. I understand the reasoning, and Meeks has training camp and preseason to win me back, but right now I’m questioning Meeks worth quite frankly. I mean, the Cover 1 worked for us last year, that’s what Meeks got results from. And he wants to move away from it???
/rant, for good.
This entire offseason, I've been defending Clausen from critics. Now I got an even better reason to.
The Cover 1 was the duct tape to the defense last year
It was the last resort to hold it together when T. Davis went down. Meeks had no choice but to change to the Cover 1 based on the personnel he had on the field.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
There are smart football people who think
that the Cover 1 was Fox coming in and saying “Ron you are killing us.” You had your window and you blew it….now Foxy’s gotta pick up the pieces.
I saw one publication that had Meeks rated as the 32nd best DC in the NFL, citing the above fact…that Fox had to save the defense from Meeks. And I’m not sure that there isn’t some truth to that.
The Colts defense always dumbfounded me…and it single-handledly kept the Colts from winning several more SBs…the Colts offense was obviously doing their job.
Why would we want to implement a system like this when Fox has had so much success with a bigger, more physical defense?
Me confused.
Do or do not. There is no try.
This is Fox and Hurney's team
If there was an element of truth that they were ‘picking up the pieces’ of Meeks’ failed defense then why would they proceed to cut every player that fits the John Fox mold in favor of Ron Meeks’ style players?
On the contrary, the defense saved the offense throughout the entire 2009 season. Perhaps relenting and allowing Meeks to do his thing is the most effective way to try and save their jobs.
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by James Dator on Apr 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Wish everyone would stop putting this guy down for getting 18 tackles against the Rams,
yes, they suck; but has anyone here ever heard of Steven Jackson? He is one of the greatest RBs in the game at the minute and to run for as many yards as he does behind that awful O-line is simply Godlike!! I think this shows he has some tackle-breaking ability! And to bring Steven Jackson down 13 times? I’d say that’s pretty impressive!
by jojoisthemann on Apr 28, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Harris Trade
We traded Chris Harris for a LB which on the face isn’t too bad. I just read that Williams is only signed through 2010. Why didn’t we lock him up for a couple of years instead of just one? He couldn’t crack the starting lineup in Chicago behind Lance Briggs but if he has a break out year with the Panthers this year, he’s going to command bigger dollars in free agency and we could possibly lose him than if we just paid him a little now.
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