Panthers 2010 NFL Draft Grade
by Jaxon on Apr 24, 2010 5:10 PM EDT
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PrintSo the picks are in and the Panthers have certainly made some good picks and some that are sure to be considered controversial.The Panthers are known for utilizing the 'Best Player Available' strategy and it was in full force the past three days. From their first pick for QB Jimmy Clausen to their last three DB's taken there is plenty for everyone.
Those fans concerned about needs first will love the Brandon LaFell and Greg Hardy picks. Other will stratch their heads at the Tony Pike and three straight DB's at the end.
So lets grade it and hear your thoughts.
Round 2, Pick 16 (48) Jimmy Clausen QB 6'3" 222 Notre Dame 8.6 7 Video Pick Analysis: The Panthers surprisingly land a franchise quarterback in the second round with the selection of Jimmy Clausen. The former Notre Dame star was expected to come off the boards in the early part of the first round, but questions about his leadership skills and personality led to a dramatic slide down the charts. Although the free fall has surely dampened Clausen's spirits, the opportunity to go to a franchise without an established starter could lead to early playing time, if he performs to his potential during the preseason. Round 3, Pick 14 (78) Brandon LaFell WR 6'2" 211 LSU 7.5 -- Pick Analysis: The Panthers nab Brandon LaFell in an attempt to find a legitimate No. 2 receiver. Although he suffered through a disappointing senior season, LaFell has shown outstanding promise in the past, and could blossom into a credible weapon, if he plays to his potential. Round 3, Pick 25 (89) (From Cardinals through Patriots) Armanti Edwards QB 5'11" 187 Appalachian State 4.2 -- Pick Analysis: The Panthers pick up a wild card athlete in Armanti Edwards. The small-school standout was an outstanding quarterback during his time at Appalachian State, but could be in line for a move to wide receiver in the pros. Given his versatile skills and playmaking ability, the Panthers could use Edwards as a "Wildcat" option. Round 4, Pick 26 (124) (From Cardinals through Jets) Eric Norwood LB 6'1" 245 South Carolina 7.3 -- Pick Analysis: The Panthers pick up an underrated playmaker in Eric Norwood. Although he isn't an explosive athlete, he has outstanding instincts and shows good rush skills off the edge. With the Panthers lacking players capable of getting to the passer, Norwood could be a key contributor as a situational rusher. Round 6, Pick 6 (175) (From Raiders) Greg Hardy DE 6'4" 281 Mississippi 5.1 -- Pick Analysis: What a shame for Hardy. Three years ago, he was regarded as a future first-round pick with an explosive move off the edge. Injuries have taken their toll, to the point where he couldn't even start games at Ole Miss last season. He was used solely as a situational pass rusher and was nowhere near as explosive as his sophomore season. Here's hoping he gets healthy, regains his lost step and becomes the player he could have been with the Panthers. Round 6, Pick 29 (198) (From Jets) David Gettis WR 6'3" 217 Baylor 2.7 -- Round 6, Pick 33 (202) (Compensatory selection) Jordan Pugh DB 5'11" 200 Texas A&M -- -- Pick Analysis: The Patriots continue to add athletic players to their secondary with the selection of Jordan Pugh. Though New England has a roster full of young talent at the position, Pugh is another competitive player to throw into the mix. He will have to earn a spot as a backup/special teams standout. Round 6, Pick 35 (204) (Compensatory selection) Tony Pike QB 6'6" 223 Cincinnati 6.6 -- Pick Analysis: Carolina took Jimmy Clausen at No. 48 and now adds accomplished Cincinnati QB Tony Pike here at No. 204. What does that tell you about their confidence in Matt Moore? Round 7, Pick 16 (223) RJ Stanford DB 5'11" 180 Utah -- -- Round 7, Pick 42 (249) (Compensatory selection) Robert McClain DB Connecticut -- --
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I was okay through Hardy
Then it was like they covered their eyes and threw darts to pick the end of the draft. Why did we trade down to get another pick if we were just going to waste it like that? For that matter why didn’t they trade a couple picks to get into the 5th round, or up at all for a better prospect? Was excited, but now I’m dumbfounded.
Can't trade Comp picks
might as well take a chance on a few guys
I think they targeted athletic CBs that they think will excel in our system.
Nothing wrong with that.
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I graded a B
I don’t think we needed 3 QB’s (even though one of them was A. Edwards) or 3 CB’s.
I love the Norwood and Lafell picks, have come around to like the Clausen pick, like the Hardy pick, and the rest of them are just “eh” to me.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
An A
I gave them an A because of trust. I remember I wanted Greg Olsen, and we got Jon Beason instead. I remember wanting D-Will to finally start and for us to get an OT. We got J-Stew and Otah. So the staff knows more than I do, obviously. If Clausen is all that they think he is, then we had the best draft, period. But I look at it like this, our defense is already good enough without anyone new to win a championship. However, good enough isn’t what these guys are looking for, so we got a couple good picks to compete. Also, I love the idea of Smitty, LaFell, Edwards and Barnidge on the field, with D-Will in the backfield, and Moore under center. Then replace some of them with Rosario, Jarrett, Stewart and Clausen. Either way you look at it, we’re poised for a championship run..
I gave it a "conditional" A
Clausen (great), Edwards (loved it, though many won’t), Lafell (next Moose), Hardy (great), Gettis (compares to Doucett per CBS), Norwood (could be a starter).
Tony Pike puzzles me. Is there a trade in our future? Is trading Moore even a possibility, while his value is high?.
The three DBs look like STs athletes, with also the possibility of replacing Marshall. We shall see.
I gave it an A
Just for Clausen and Lafell without having to give up picks. Potential franchise qb and potential #1 WR.. and Armanti bring a dynamic element to our squad. I loved the Norwood and Hardy pick as well. So I just turn a blind eye to the DB picks
GSO
Hands down an 'A' I dont see another way to look at it.
If I told you a week ago that we would have:
- Brandon LaFell
- Eric Norwood
- Greg Hardy
- Tony Pike
- Armanti Edwards
Would you have been happy? I sure would have.
The you tell me we got Jimmy Clausen, another WR and DBs to bolster not only the pass defense, but special teams- all without giving up a future 1st? I would have called you a liar.
The Panthers marriaged need with BPA, not neccesarily immediate needs, but ones that will arise in the next 2-3 years. Plus, you also need to include Everette Brown and Mike Goodson as part of this draft.
I’m stunned, absolutely stunned.
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They were flying off the board like they were out of fashion.
We were calling for Oghobaase back in the 4th and for the rest of the day and he’s undrafted. You better believe they’ve already contacted him.
Furthermore, Tank Tyler was a part of this draft
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True, it would have been bad to go with the flow of the draft
DTs were flying off the shelves, and I think Furney did a good job being patient
Oghobaase signed with the Dolphins
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i agree
but by that logic you cannot make edwards part of this draft since we gave up next years 2nd to get him.
by sincedayone on Apr 25, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Take Edwards out and its still a stellar draft
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Why am I feeling like I don't want Tony to success
This is really a good situation to be in. 3 promising QBs, but I want Jimmy to succeed for some reason
Pike is raw, and coming out of the spread
There’s a reason why he went where he did.
Meanwhile, Clausen isn’t a 2nd round QB like Brian Brohm, he’s a top 10 QB who slipped. I wouldn’t worry too much.
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No kidding... that wrecked my weekend.
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Why do you say Jordan Pugh was picked by the Patriots?
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Getting Clausen a “pro-style” QB with similar measurables to Bradford is best pick in the entire draft at no. 48. I absolutely love Edwards joining the Panthers I believe he will be a great play maker even if he is just KR/PR, but I think he would have been there in the 6th. The Pike pick may spell the end of Moore in Carolina this year or next. I said “B” but its a “B+” the 3 DBs are to bolster one of the worst ST squads in the NFL good draft.
"I kinda just sling it" -Jake
He's someone I looked at this season (knowing we needed a QB).
I was impressed with what I saw. He has a lot of workable tools. Just needs some refinement.
He’s light years away from Clausen though – I LOVED that guy when watching him play. Absolutely ecstatic he fell to us – I still can’t figure out why.
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If Pike plays well, generates some good film
the Panthers could trade him next year for an earlier pick. You never know how it could work out…but we have options for usre whereas before we didn’t
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I knew it all along
;)
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Terrific draft for 2010, and I gave it an A for that reason. I also questioned the Pike pick, but there was good reasoning behind it. With Moore, Clausen, and Pike at QB, we finally have an honest to God QB challenge in TC this year. And now there will be no Delhomme colored glasses on the face of John Fox.
Those who do not believe Matt Moore is the future of this franchise will be granted their wish of an all out QB war. And once more, this battle in training camp I believe will decide who the franchise QB of this team will be for at least 5-10 years. One of these three guys will become the Panthers QB for the foreseeable future.
The best part of it is is that none of these guys are garbage either. It isn’t like we have Mark Brunnell, Rex Grossman, and Moore battling for a spot here. This will give the Panthers the best chance they have ever and possibly will ever have at securing an actual franchise QB that is reliable.
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Not that it matters
but sportsnation and the people agree that the Panthers had the best draft in NFC South, and the majority agreed that the Panthers deserve an A for their draft picks:
I gave it an A+++++++++
I loved all the Picks….First Drafting 2 QBs and a half with edwards gives up option alot of options. We have have a roster full of young QBs and one of them is garunteed to be the futher. and drafting alot of dbs helps out with our dime formation and being that we lost pepper, until a DE steps up we will need them for the Blitz and last but not least WR……pls help Steve Smith before he leaves us. just because the revievers that we have are not big names does not mean they wont be stars…maybe one of these guys can turn out like colston did for the saints……lets go panthers…..i truely believe where back.
I;m not a fantasy football guy,. not a big college fan, so with that caveat I give the Panthers draft an....
A++++++++
Clausen was a steal (although IMHO he’s at least 2 seasons from being ready to start in the NFL), but my favorite pick is Armanti Edwards. I’m an older guy, a Sunday soul guy, long time ex Eagles fan….and I gotta say the Edwards pick reminds me so much of when the Eagles took a chance on a classy local guy from a small program that many felt was not worth the “value” of where he was selected but that player tuned out to be one of the greatest Eagles players of all time…Brian Westbrook.
I really like our WR pick as well….seems like he fits into our scheme.
Im out of my league when it comes to the draft….but I’m so pumped for the 2010 season!
Can get my head around em
Tony Pick and the last couple of DBs. Just don’t understand it. Haven’t even heard of 2 of the 3 DB’s.
A- or B+
I’m wavering because I’m not sure about taking 3 DBs. I would have preferred one of those picks being been some help on the line. But the QBs and WRs were stellar picks.
yeah i know what you mean
but i’m sure they’re all meeks guys and they’ll help big time in our horrid special teams
plus maybe this has something to do with marshall…
Yeah
I keep reminding myself that we needed help on ST too
by The Duke Dude on Apr 25, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Likely Furney is thinking that Marshall is gone...
With that in mind, all the CBs sound like a solid selection… Also, you’re likely not going to keep Clausen and Moore around long term so in that regard Pike makes sense.
Armanti Edwards
QB/WR/TE/FB/OT/OG/C/KR/PR/CB/S/DT/DE/MLB/OLB/
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
I wish we could have drafted Gilyard
Check this shit out…
It’s a sports science feature on his quickness and route-running … the dude runs a route, then does the exact same route BLINDFOLDED, and runs it within 1 inch of being identical to the previous route. Simply amazing.
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
The love affair continues
LOL
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LOL I can't give up that easy sniff...
I’m still hoping for a trade…
Thanks to the Denver Broncos, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
If Gilyard ends up All Pro you'll never hear the end of it from me!
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Armanti & Brandon
He said he’s very comfortable w/ his hands, but he’s never ran routes, so that’s a major need area. Brandon said he had to be a good blocker to be on the field at LSU, and that he’s always worked on it.
I’m confident Smitty will take ’em under his wing and help ’em out. Our offense will be as explosive as ever this year.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 24, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
With the 417th pick of the 2010 draft, the Carolina Panthers select Andre Neblett
Looks like we finally got a DT. Andre Neblett out of Temple, 32nd ranked DT by cbssportsline.com
Supposedly signed these guys so far as well.
Kurtis Gregory, OG, Missouri
Matt O’Hanlon, S, Nebraska
Mark Ortmann, OT, Michigan
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Kurtis Gregory?
I picked him as my shot in the dark for our draft contest. Does that count?
Who gave F's?
Forget about Britney, LEAVE BRANDON ALONE!!!!
by Figgi4life on Apr 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Explanation of "Poor decisions"
You gotta understand we took Pike because Moore is a UFA after this season. Cantwell goes practice squad and, if we can’t retain Moore, we have Clausen, Pike, and Cantwell (as well as Edwards, but he is WR/KR/PR more than QB.) Stop crying about Edwards being there in the 6th, because we needed to trade up to get him, The Colts were set to take him with their third rounder, the Panthers jumped past them to get him. For the DBs, you can’t trade compensatory picks, Marshall is upset, and our ST unit needs speed.
by legacy_of_perfection on Apr 24, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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You nailed it sir, +1.
My Panther Draft Ratings: Jimmy Clausen - A; Brandon LaFell - B+; Armanti Edwards - B; Eric Norwood - A; Greg Hardy - B+;
i wouldn't say he'd be there in the 6th
i’d say its more like he wasn’t worth a trade up in the 3rd (with a future 2nd)….
i’m left with two questions: whose position is he going to take and, supposing he doesn’t (since we know he’s not starting WR/QB), then is a KR/PR/role player worth a 2nd round pick?
i think a lot of people are okay with this pick merely because they have a love affair with him… which is understandable lol but edwards is not worth that…
By no means am I in a love affair with the kid, I barely know who he is from seeing the Mich/ASU upset. If he is the type of weapon the colts and panthers think he is, I have no issues with giving a 2nd rounder for next season. I’d give next year’s 2 for Joshua Cribbs or Devin Hester when he was a returner, etc. Next year’s draft is supposed to be thin and we have 2 3rd rounders so I’m not heartbroken by this move.
by legacy_of_perfection on Apr 25, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
he has never returned kicks...as far as i know
He said himself he has never ran routes. He cost us a 2nd. That’s freakin crazy. I hope he turns out to be awesome. I think we could have made better use out of that pick. And Pat White was a decision. With a 2nd round pick anyway.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Think wildcat and his instincts + athleticism
This guy is a triple threat in the wildcat from day one.
Also...
…don’t put too much stock in the “we gave up a 2nd rounder” to get Armanti Edwards. Technically, yes. But this year’s draft was so much deeper than what next year’s draft will be. So the 2nd rounder we gave to the Patriots probably only has the value of what a 3rd round pick would normally be. And, if you figure we improve on our record from last year and finish better than 8-8 (which I think we have a good chance of doing), that means the value of that 2nd rounder we gave up will be even less, because it’ll be a late-2nd-rounder.
I'll give my draft 2 years from now
When I actually have a clue. At this point any one of these guys could be a starter, star or bust.
Which means it’s time for my 2008 draft grade… Hmmmm, Stewart, Otah, Godfrey, Connor, Taylor, Barnidge. Probably only 2 starters out of that bunch, but Stewart makes up for some of that. So I say C.
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by ElBacano on Apr 24, 2010 11:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You mean to tell me the draft that got Stewart and Otah was a C? Connor is looking like a starter this season and was a steal in the 4th round IMO. Not sure I’d grade it higher than a B- but Stewart was a homerun and Otah is a grizzly in the run game.
by legacy_of_perfection on Apr 25, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sold on Connor
Don’t think he should be anything more than a backup. I don’t think he’ll beat out Anderson. Otah and Stewart are great, just think only 2 starters out of a draft is pretty weak.
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Godfrey.
That makes it three.
This entire offseason, I've been defending Clausen from critics. Now I got an even better reason to.
by Flowing Willow on Apr 26, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
2 starters?
Stewart may not ‘start’ per se…but he did start 3-4 games at the end of the season. Certainly you would call him starter quality. Stewart, Godfrey, Otah is 3 and Conner could be 4 this year. Four starters from one draft is pretty good I would say.
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Actually I am forgetting about Godfrey
But his spot isn’t really set in stone is it? I was assuming Stewart WOULD be a starter in most places, so he was the 2nd. And why do you think Connor would start over Anderson? And if he does it probably won’t be for long.
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That draft was easily a B at the least
Not often do you get 2 future pro bowlers and a FS who started all 16 games. Conner is developing and Barnidge will turn into a pretty decent catching TE
GSO
Still playing what ifs
I am looking for guys that have proven in 2 years that they should definitely be starters or major contributors. Barnidge and Connor haven’t proven this.
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Why does draftin Pike affect Moore?
He is a 6th round project to compete for the 3rd qb spot with Cantwell, nothing more. We had 2 QBs on the team, anyone could have told you we were going to bring in 2 more for training camp. I’m glad we got one that can play now if needed and one that can develop into a backup. This was a great draft.
We do always bring 4 into camp...never had 4 this talented though top to bottom!
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i hope pike has a nice preseason and we trade him
I would love to flip him for some picks. I like Cantwell. I can’t really explain it well ;) but I like the guy…no homo….I don’t want to see him go anywhere.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe next year...
This year it’s not likely since Pike came from the spread and will have to get used to making a lot of reads.
Exactly...
In some ways, I think Cantwell may be a better NFL QB than Pike. That’s just because of the reads and throws an NFL QB has to be able to make. Pike’s college numbers are somewhat inflated because of the spread offense Cincy ran which helps pile up yards by exploiting defenses in making them chase down receivers. Mardy Gilyard helped in that regard, too. So, Pike’s got potential, but Cantwell have more in terms of what you actually need an NFL QB to do for your team.
That said, I suspect we can get away with stashing Cantwell on our practice squad more easily than depositing Tony Pike there. And Cantwell still has eligibility to be on the practice squad one more year, I think.
Didn't Cantwell
run the spread offense the small amount of time he played in college?
by SouthernPanther on Apr 26, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't know...
…but I’ve heard Cantwell described as a QB with a particularly strong arm, more capable of making the throws required of an NFL QB. I’m not sure how people rated his accuracy, though. Clearly, there’s a reason he’s been our QB4 and stashed on the practice squad before.
Drafting Clausen and Pike:
I was confused about the Clausen/Pike picks at first, but after sleeping on it, I get it. Moore becomes a free agent at the end of next year. We like him, but don’t know if he can be an “elite” QB. I’m guessing Clausen won’t beat out Moore in training camp or pre-season, since he’ll still be learning and trying to catch up to NFL speed. I am pretty sure that Clausen can be elite in time. So, if Moore has a good but not great year , I don’t think they’ll re-sign him, even if the team does well. Clausen is likely being viewed as the franchise QB, just not this year. There are a lot of possibilities; too many to discuss here, and all dependent on how Moore plays and how fast Clausen comes up to speed. Trade value vs. UFA status for Moore comes into play as well, as does CBA.
Pike is a project, not a real factor near term. Cantwell, well can’t (yet).
So, it’s a combination of QB upgrade and economics that will determine who our QB of the future actually is. My guess… Clausen. Either way, we’re set, and I like that a lot.
Draft Grade
Clausen-A+
Love this pick, this guy will be a stud.
Brandon LaFell-B+
I kind of wanted someone faster, but LaFell is a solid guy, with some #1 potential. Plus he can block.
Armanti Edwards-C
I love the player, but not the trade up to get him. Plus where will he play? Hopefully he turns out better than Pat White, he’s the benchmark for these kinds of players recently.
Eric Norwood-A
I wanted this guy before the draft so bad. His versatility is great, he can play SLB for us, or rush the passer. Dude is relentless, he’ll be a monster in Meeks defense.
Greg Hardy-A
Great value down here in the sixth. Hardy is like Peppers, great when he wants to be, but he doesn’t always want to be. He plays violently, and gets injured as a result, but the raw talent is there. Hopefully being drafted in the sixth is a wakeup call.
David Gettis-A
Good project, he’s big and fast and could fill our #1 role in time.
Jordan Pugh-B
Good DB from Texas A&M, but I’ve seen question marks. Provided more competition.
Tony Pike-C-
I didn’t like this pick. Pike isn’t a fit for our system, has leadership questions, and we already have three QB’s. Spending this pick on another DB would have been better even. As it is, I wanted some DT or OL. Heck even a TE would have been fine.
R.J. Stanford-B-
He’s a project at corner, but he has good speed and decent size. More ammo for ST, which is why this pick isn’t graded lower.
Robert Mclain-C
The three DB’s are confusing me, especially with our needs at DT and OL. But Mclain looks good from what I’ve seen, and ST is getting a real shot in the arm here. Can’t grade it any lower.
Total Grade-B+++++
I loved quite a few of our picks, others made me scratch my head. But I have faith in Furney, so it’s a B+. Can’t wait to see these guys in action.
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120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
The thing with the 3 DBs is this. Pugh is being converted to FS. Standford and McClain will be filling roles, one for ST, the other for Richard Marshall’s replacement, since Marshall is upset his tender was not higher. (Because, you know, 1.79 million is not enough for 1 year of a guy his caliber. lol.) I think McClain could eventually fill in as a # 2 or as the nickel to push other guys we have up to 1.
by legacy_of_perfection on Apr 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted A
And my reply (or ‘grade’) can be found here. Didn’t want to take up so much room with a comment, so I made it a FanPost instead.
My Panther Draft Ratings: Jimmy Clausen - A; Brandon LaFell - B+; Armanti Edwards - B; Eric Norwood - A; Greg Hardy - B+;
i'm already enjoying armanti edwards (no homo)
in madden 10. i keep dreaming of what our wildcat offense would look like, and what our offense would look like with armanti in the slot.
I have to admit...
…I really hope he turns out to be the next Steve Smith with his athleticism and speed. If he can do well in the preseason and training camp, maybe he nails down the WR3 position and we can interchange him and Smith in the slot. Put Brandon LaFell on the other side and it’s potentially a younger, faster version of our WR corps from the 2003 season. That wouldn’t be a bad lineup to duplicate or rebuild.
That 'no homo' thing has got to die.
He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!
I'm happy with the draft but
Dorin Dickerson in the 7th and we don’t take him! At the very least we get a good STer!:( Hopefully the Texans cut him before TC.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 25, 2010 4:37 AM EDT reply actions
i gave this draft a B
im very happy with it but i didnt want to give it an A because i dont know much about the last couple of picks
by pantherpride on Apr 25, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think...
…we didn’t take someone like Dorin Dickerson, because we already have 3 TEs on the roster which our coaches have already evaluated and like for our system. Now, if they intend to let Jeff King go into free agency sometime soon…or want to release Rosario or Barnidge at the end of their contract or something…then I could see us taking Dickerson to replace them. But, as it is, picking up Dickerson would have forced them to let one of the others go. You can’t just automatically take a guy like that and expect him to make the roster without being willing to discard one of the others. Right now, our coaching staff seems to like what they’ve got at that position. So, even if Dickerson was BPA at the time, it would have been a wasted pick, because we don’t have room for him.
Meanwhile, they go DB, DB, DB, because they’re looking for ways to improve our team at that position. Richard Marshall may be leaving us very soon. There’s always the possibility we upgrade at one safeties or CBs that routinely get used on special teams and dime packages only. There’s room for a guy like that if he can beat out the competition. So, these three guys will get their chance at that. And that’s not something I think you could realistically expect Dickerson would have had a chance to do at our TE position.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
Its an A for me.
When playing against passing attacks like the Falcons and Saints it never hurts to have some extra CBs
Pugh, though listed as a CB, played a lot of S, and is the same size as our heralded S, Mike Minter. We have little behind Harris and Godfrey.
Stanford has a set of wheels on him having been clocked as quickly as 4.29. If Marshall holds out, this pick will help and allow Sherrod Martin to move back to his natural FS position.
McClain was a very good starter with Connecticut and also a good PR. As ST was a weakness last year, both returning and coverage, it doesn’t hurt to have some guys here.
No DT ....
… is not such a bad move. We currently have 6 guys under the age of 26 and lower than R3, I can’t see many guys who were better than what we currently have in Corey Irvin, Tank Tyler, Louis Leonard, Nick Hayden, Derek Landri and Ed Johnson.
In fact QB was likely to be a bigger need which we successfully addressed. Pike was a great pick because how many backups have subsequently been traded for a high draft pick.
I agree with you
It shows that the organization must be very high on the guys we have already. Louis Leonard and Tank Tyler are both part of the 2010 draft because we traded picks for them.
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by James Dator on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This should be obvious to us
We are set on the D line…hell the front 7 at all times (including rotation). Obviously meeks is worried about the athleticism of his secondary.
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by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1 Draft and the DTs
There were 2 “home run” DTs in this and they went 2nd and 3rd overall. Then there was a drop off to Williams, Odrick, Price, and Mt. Cody. I don’t think any of the DTs on the board when we drafted in the 3rd (Clausen was a no-brainer in 2nd) would have necessarily been an upgrade over what we have on the roster already. As STEVEN 785 notes, our front seven includes guys like Brayton and C. Johnson who can jump inside as well. We may not have the best line, but they’re going to be fine with the killer linebacker corps.
nice to get a lil backround on these guys
Is there a noteworthy upside to Pugh?
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by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Myron Rolle
We picked the Pugh douche and passed up on Rolle…then we sign some UDFA-S! So they were obviously open to getting a S. So I ask ya…why the WUCK FOULD YOU DO THAT????
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by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 10:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rolle is a SS, they're converting Pugh to FS (where he started 11 games for Texas A&M)
Plus, he flat out played better. Here is their comparison of their last season:
Rolle: 62 tackles, 0 INT
Pugh: 75 tackles, 3 INT
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by James Dator on Apr 25, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
but dont we have enough FS?
If (knock on wood) Chris Harris misses 3 games again this year then what do we do? If he goes on IR then really what do we do? We have no one behind him. Rolle runs a 4.4…a high 4.4 but a 4.4 none the less. He’s smart…like really really smart. He wouldn’t of been asked to come in and start right away. Time to develop and learn the system. Big miss IMO but only time will tell I guess.
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by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We have FSs, but how good are those FSs?
Both Godfrey and Martin haven’t proved themselves to be dynamic picks yet. Godfrey is decent in coverage, but isn’t a playmaker and Sherrod is a playmaker who is bad in coverage.
Furthermore, these three corners were drafted for special teams. If they can contribute on defense, that’s fantastic- but Myron Rolle didn’t look like a special teamer to me.
Trust me, I love Rolle’s personal story and I think he’s a fantastic role model. I just don’t know if he fit our needs
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I think our FSs are great honestly
I like Godfrey I do. And I like Martin more really. But we don’t have a SS besides Harris and Harris gets banged up from time to time.
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by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love both our safeties as well
Martin more than Godfrey…although after Godfrey came back from his injury last year and saw that Martin was challenging him for his spot, he played LIGHTS OUT, easily the best ball of his career
by SouthernPanther on Apr 26, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolle is a risk
He’s been over here in England for what would have been his senior season and although he played some rugby, there is some difference. Some also think his academic leanings might mean his commitment to football is questionable.
Rolle also has some questionable athleticism and ran a nasty 4.68 at the combine.
Pugh might be listed as a FS, but he’s about the same size as Mike Minter so could be moved to SS … after all, the Colts do fine with a smallish SS in Bob Sanders.
Pugh was not invited to the Combine, but...
put up some ridiculous numbers at his ProDay workout -
(this from NFLDraftScout.com)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1128789?tag=DraftTrackerTableData;DraftTrackerTable202
03/16/2010 – PRO DAY RESULTS: Another prospect who gained attention was cornerback Jordan Pugh (5-foot-10, 196 pounds). He completed an outstanding workout. Pugh ran the 40 in 4.48 and 4.44 seconds, did a 40-inch vertical jump and had a 10-foot, 5-inch broad jump. He ran a 4.24-second short shuttle, a 7.13-second three-cone drill and did 14 bench press reps. The 4.44 40 time would have made Pugh the fastest cornerback at the combine. The 40-inch vertical would have tied Pugh for second at his position at the combine. And Pugh accomplished all of this in front of Bengals defensive backs coach Kevin Coyle. – Gil Brandt, NFL.com
This speaks to the effectiveness and thoroughness of our scouts, IMO.
he improved that 40 time to
4.4…I think he wants to play football. Or else he wouldn’t be in the draft. I hope pugh works out. But I just can’t see how he is or could be better than Rolle. And p.s. (sorry chris) Harris doesn’t have elite speed by any means.
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by STEVEN 785 on Apr 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tyler Eastman, LT
.. of Maine is someone we should also sign up.
Behind Gross we have no-one unless Wharton slides out which is not ideal, and whilst Eastman lacks ideal athleticism, he has two years starting experience, and did at Texas V the Nation.
I don’t think he has signed with anyone yet.
I gave it a B
I just feel like we could have grabbed a speedy receiver (thats actually played as a receiver) Smith isn’t getting any younger… But heres hoping that Edwards pans out. I’m so looking forward to this season!!!!
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