King of the Draft? Hardly...

by Jaxon on Apr 19, 2010 8:49 PM EDT

I know railing on Peter King is good sport for some but I usually find it too easy...but given I'm needing a diversion from mocking the draft, Kings' latest will do just fine. Let's see King has five things he thinks he knows, he thinks. But he's not sure. Really? So he must be referring to some long-shot scenario because surely Peter King must grasp the obvious at this point:

Here's what King thinks he might think, he thinks, maybe:

1. I think the Jaguars want to move down, and they're not alone.

...I thought he could deal with Seattle at No. 14, moving down four spots and picking up the 60th overall pick, the choice Seattle acquired from San Diego in the Charlie Whitehurst deal. No dice, though -- even though it makes a lot of sense for the Seahawks to come up for running back C.J. Spiller, one of the objects of their affection.

Somebody wants to trade down an get picks? That's some keen insight there Peter. Spiller would be worth it but what I find unusual is King acting like he's in the loop here. What, you got their phone bugged Peter? You the middle man here? What's to say this trade wouldn't happen anyway? I think its safe to say many of the teams in the top 20 would trade down in this deep draft in order to pick up more picks.

Here's more.

2. I think the Eagles want to come up.

Let me rephrase that -- I know they want to come up. The Eagles are in a very small club, teams that want to jump up from low in the first round to the upper half. I believe Philly wants one of the two safeties in the draft -- Eric Berry of Tennessee or Earl Thomas of Texas. With the 24th, 35th, 55th and 70th picks, the Eagles absolutely have the ammo to move up.

Now surely they would need to trade up to get Berry but who's to say Thomas wouldn't be there at 24? What other teams might snatch Thomas up Peter? Oh I'm sorry, that might require research. Also, considering the Eagles just dumped Donovan McNabb they just might just want to move up to get a QB like Jimmy Clausen or...might they stay pat and get Colt McCoy at 24 or even 35.

I will give King slight props for this:

...the Dolphins don't want to finish up with the 12th pick and no others in the top 70. Miami is in a tough spot, I think, if unable to flip the pick down because the Dolphins want to get someone to rush the passer, and there's not a single no-doubt long-term double-digit-sack lock in this draft.

Miami certainly does want to trade back and 24 plus a 2nd rounder would be a good spot for them. But its not like that wasn't obvious after making the Marshall trade.

Here's some more wonderful insight:

I don't mean the guys at the very top of the draft -- I'm talking more about, say, 10 to 25. One name: Maurkice Pouncey. (Full draft profile on Pouncey here.) So many teams look at him and say, "He's a plug-and-play player for the next 10 years.'' Meaning you can put him in the lineup for the next 10 years and not worry about it.

Gee doesn't every GM expect or at least hope they can plug their 1st round pick into the line-up for the next 10 years? Why esle would you draft them and pay them millions? I'm sure Pouncey will be a good pro, most seem to concur. But will a team spend such a high pick on a center? Ryan Kalil probably doesn't think so.

So the last thing Peter thinks he knows but isn't sure is that Colt McCoy is a good QB and should be a late 1st round pick. So there you have it...wonderful insight from the King of the Draft.

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There's A Name for This...

I’d call it, “I have a weekly column read by hundreds of thousands and it continues during the offseason. I need something to write”

by Panther4lyfe on Apr 19, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions

Good 'ole reliable Peter King

With the 24th, 35th, 55th and 70th picks, the Eagles absolutely have the ammo to move up.

Oh Peter, Peter, Peter… if you’re talking about the Eagles getting Eric Berry then surely you know that it’s unlikely he’ll last past the 5th pick.

The #5 overall pick is worth 1700 points.

- 24 is worth 740
- 35 is worth 550
- 55 is worth 350
- 70 is worth 240

Now, I’m no mathematician but that adds up to 1880. I’m sure someone as well established in the NFL knows that the trader always gives up roughly 300 points to the tradee and with a trade into the top 5 that’s likely to be giving up 500 points. Unless someone is dying to give the Eagles a discount…

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by James Dator on Apr 19, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions

Not everyone has the same values for the TC chart.

I think the Eagles would be looking at the #5 slot, which would be KC. So they send #‘s 24, 35, and 55 to the Chiefs, along with a conditional selection next season. KC gets a first round choice, another two second rounders, giving them four in a very deep class, and something next year. They then can take an OT at #24, or build their defense. No one else is going to make the trade except for Philly, so if I’m KC I jump at this deal.

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by Flowing Willow on Apr 20, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Keep in mind...

This is for the best prospect at safety in close to a decade if not over a decade. Berry is as sure a thing as you can get in the draft. Unless a horrible injury derails his career, he WILL be the next great safety. He should be the #1 overall pick, except he plays safety.

by Tater596 on Apr 20, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions

And this is what Peter does on his off days.

My (Hopeful) Panther Draft: (2) DE Corey Wootton - (3) Akwasi Owush-Ansah - (4) OLB/DE Eric Norwood - (6) WR Marcus Easley - (6) WR David Gettis - (6) DT Nick Collins - (7) CB Jamar Wall - (7) QB Armanti Edwards

by D-Ranged1 on Apr 20, 2010 1:57 AM EDT reply actions

I rag on King...

as much as the next guy, but it’s because of his arrogance and myopic view of the NFL (Patriots, NFC East, Steelers and no one else matters). But I leave that job to the pros over at Kissing Suzy Kolber, who have turned it into an art form.

I would be surprised if the Eagles drafted a QB at 35- they seem pretty sold on Kolb, although a mid to late round pick seems to make sense. You’re right, though- Thomas might be available at 24, so why push it? Also, they need help at a few other positions this year.

If Seattle trades the 14th and 60th picks for the 10th, they are retarded. I’m not saying it isn’t possible, but that trade is just stupid- especially if this year’s draft depth is to be believed. What makes that even dumber is that it’s a move to get a RB. Never trade up to get a RB- I don’t care how good they are. I think Carrol waits and gets a PAC 10 guy later.

My bold call? Eric Berry has the best career of anyone in this year’s draft.

by the bomb dot com on Apr 20, 2010 2:19 AM EDT reply actions

Bold?

My bold call? Eric Berry has the best career of anyone in this year’s draft.

As far as odds of being correct, that is about the least bold call you can make concerning this draft. Berry will be a superstar.

by Tater596 on Apr 20, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions

The difference

I get aggravated with the myopic viewpoint of the NFL and US culture (Jimmy Buffet ignorance anyone?) as well. I don’t mean the following comments as a slight to our illustrious and beloved crew here. This blog is a notable exception to most I’ve seen. However, the differences between King and a large percentage of the folks doing this are:

1. He actually communicates with player, personnel and scouts.
2. He generally sticks to the “rules” of journalism. (This might not seem to be that big of a deal, but it really is..)
3. He has to verify his information and go to his sources for confirmation before running the story. If he doesn’t he has to qualify his comments as speculation. All while trying not to burn bridges that keep his flow o information coming.
4. He has been doing this in some capacity for 30 years.

Here is my speculation – he probably has a good deal more information (or misinformation to sort through) than he can post without losing a source of information for divulging things that were expected to be off the record.

Granted as a military man I am decidedly biased for Mr. King due to his efforts with SFC Macguire and the USO. So take my comments with a grain of salt.

by adamwanderer on Apr 20, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions

+1

I’ve that my two favorite columnists who cover the NFL are Peter King and Dr Z. As for the whole Patriots thing someone mentioned earlier, he lives in Boston. Duh ;) And I agree with Adam – he’s one of the better connected writers. Most columnists end up writing the same thing as everyone else because they have the same info as everyone else. I think that I tend to think cha-ching! that Peter usually brings a little different slant to it. But that’s just my $.02

by The Duke Dude on Apr 20, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions

It pains me when someone spells Jimmy Buffett as Jimmy Buffet

The man is not a long table covered in luke warm or cold food that flies are laying their eggs on!

by Tater596 on Apr 20, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions

typo - my bad

by adamwanderer on Apr 20, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions

hahaha

I thought you were pointing out that King calls him “Buffet” which was just going to be another reason for him to draw my ire. But glad I could give you the proper spelling. ;o)

by Tater596 on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions

seen him live - I am appalled at my own typo - hurts to look at it

wishes for edit button

by adamwanderer on Apr 20, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions

Um, hello, please do some research yourself

“Now surely they would need to trade up to get Berry but who’s to say Thomas wouldn’t be there at 24? What other teams might snatch Thomas up Peter? Oh I’m sorry, that might require research. Also, considering the Eagles just dumped Donovan McNabb they just might just want to move up to get a QB like Jimmy Clausen or…might they stay pat and get Colt McCoy at 24 or even 35.”

The Eagles already have a starting quarterback – his name is Kevin Kolb. There is almost no chance that the Eagles pick a quarterback any earlier than, say, the 4th round this year, and if they select any quarterback in the draft this year, it will purely be a developmental quarterback taken in the later rounds.

So before you start ragging on Peter King for being uninformed, maybe you should do some basic research yourself about other teams in the league.

by MyronBales on Apr 20, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions

I'm pretty sure everyone knows who Kolb is..

But I’m not sure you’re going to sell any one that’s not an Eagles fan that he’s a starting caliber QB. Now I’m no fan of Philly so I certainly don’t follow the guy but, statistically, he doesn’t look that great. That’d kind of be like a Carolina fan trying to convince some other team that Moore is a starting QB. Most just aren’t going to believe it until they have a full year to prove themselves. 741 yards, 4 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions on 96 attempts with only 3 dropped passes isn’t bad, but it’s not what I’d call great. I hope the best for you guys but please understand outsiders (such as we) are going to question Kolb until he proves himself to the whole league, which, while I cannot speak for him, is possibly why Jaxon toyed with the idea that Philly may go QB.

by D-Ranged1 on Apr 21, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions