Standing for something, or standing on ceremony: The Panthers’ principled approach to the NFL
In the roughly 12 hrs since the news broke that Santonio Holmes was traded from Pittsburgh to the New York Jets for a 5th round pick we have two topics and a bevy of irate fans that the Panthers didn't make a play for the troubled WR. An already quiet offseason coupled with moves (or lack thereof) that fans deem ‘questionable' has helped to create an air of doubt and pessimism in a franchise perceived of lacking competitive desire.
For the Panthers, the beat goes on. As long as Jerry Richardson is the monarch in charge of the Carolina Panthers we're not going to see a guy like Santonio Holmes donning a Panthers' uniform. Today I'm going to look at several reasons why this occurs and hopefully create more understanding so when the next Santonio Holmes or Michael Vick comes available we'll know why the Panthers didn't try to acquire them.
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Why didn't CAR didn't bite on Santonio? Easy. You want to be like Pittsburgh, it's neither necessary nor helpful to take on their problems. - Darin Gantt
Being a player in the NFL is an esteemed privilege, not a right. Nobody understands this better than guys like Dan Rooney (Pittsburgh) or Jerry Richardson. In the case of Richardson he understands that privilege intimately as a player, and even more so as an owner. Being the owner of a small market team brings its own unique benefits and challenges to the table. On the one hand there's less competition from other sports, Richardson has been able to bask in being the biggest show in town with little pressure. Even if the Charlotte Bobcats win the NBA championship this season the Panthers will always be the most important franchise in the hearts of the vast majority of Carolinians.
The flipside to this is being under a microscope. There isn't the buffer that allows for player's indiscretions from becoming yesterday's news in the matter of hours. It means your players are able to have a more intimate relationship with the community, but it also means that they fall that much harder when something does occur.
In recent years the most noteworthy example of player misconduct was Steve Smith punching Ken Lucas during training camp in 2008. It's this incident that other teams love to reference when referring to Smith. There is an important difference between Smith's issues and those of Holmes. Smith hit his teammate following a heated on field altercation- it stemmed from his competitiveness and fire. It doesn't make it excusable, but it does make it football related.
When I say Santonio Holmes you might as well lump in Michael Vick, Adam Jones or any other player with a pattern of socially unacceptable behavior and run ins with the law. I'm talking most extensively about Holmes because he's the name on everyone's lips at the moment.
By his own admission Santonio Holmes dealt drugs as a child and teen. I certainly don't believe in holding someone accountable for their childhood (after all, we've all done stupid stuff as a kid) however, when those events from a person's childhood foreshadow their behavior as an adult it must be mentioned.
Holmes was drafted in the first round of 2006, that's four NFL seasons. Here are his off field exploits in that same time period:
- Arrested for disorderly conduct (May 2006)
- Arrested for domestic violence (June 2006)
- Arrested for possession of marijuana (October 2008)
- Reportedly will be suspended for beginning of 2010 season for failing to adhere to the league's substance abuse policy.
When you've amassed as many off-field issues as years in the league it shows a dangerous pattern of behavior. Now, compare this with the level of disgust fans had for Dwayne Jarrett when he was arrested for DUI in 2008. Some fans were calling for Jarrett to be cut by the Panthers for a DUI. Now, I'm certainly not devaluing the crime of driving under the influence, but most would agree that if members of a fan base want a player cut for one indiscretion, how should they feel about four in four years?
Where this becomes difficult for fans is that this principled approach to teambuilding often means fans feel like they are missing out. After all, why should some teams gain so much by taking a gamble while the Panthers stand on ceremony? The answer is simple, role models. Personally, I like the idea of kids being able to look at the Carolina Panthers, all of them and see models for success. The biggest offseason issue in Carolina? Kenny Moore having his Smart car towed outside Jonathan Stewart's apartment; and that's the way I like it.
More power to teams like the Cincinnati Bengals who have made a living pulling in the leagues most lost cases and hoping Marvin Lewis can turn them around, but I'm glad that's not my team. Personally, reformed or not I don't want to feel morally torn between cheering for the team I love and cheering for a player who's behavior I have found reprehensible.
Maybe like the Carolina Panthers I am in the minority, because I would rather see the Panthers have five losing seasons than sacrifice an ounce of their integrity to win. I love Carolina Panther victories as much as anyone, but not at any cost. I would like to think I'm a fan(atic) in the purest form; I'm fanatical about the entire Carolina Panthers' operation and franchise- not just the X's and O's or the W's and L's. I love (blindly sometimes) the way the organization conducts business. While I may not be a father yet, I feel privileged that when I do have kids I can raise them as Panthers fans where I don't need to shy them away from loving a particular player, they can choose who they like and I'll know they have a good role model.
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by chinchillas sword on Apr 12, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Excellent post James...
I agree with you that Holmes brings too much baggage to play in Carolina (baggage, we don’t need no stinkin’ baggage). Granted, he is a great player, but we don’t need the off-field distractions.
Maybe like the Carolina Panthers I am in the minority, because I would rather see the Panthers have five losing seasons than sacrifice an ounce of their integrity to win. I love Carolina Panther victories as much as anyone, but not at any cost. I would like to think I’m a fan(atic) in the purest form; I’m fanatical about the entire Carolina Panthers’ operation and franchise- not just the X’s and O’s or the W’s and L’s.
This sums up my feelings on the franchise perfectly. I am glad that the organization, from top to bottom, is about integrity on and off the field, because while the NFL may be a sports league based on winning and losing, the Panthers set the bar higher on things that matter in real life – it’s integrity and class that make the Panthers the organization that they are, and I would have no issue with my son finding a role model in any member of our football team.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Hell of an article James
as much as i want a playmaker at receiver i cant help but agree with you. its not worth losing the integrity of the franchise for a guy like holmes.
His pattern is well established.
He’s more trouble waiting to happen.
In a couple years, he’ll be out of the league, or traded to yet another team — and we’ll be benefiting from the savvy WR pick(s) we take in this year’s plentiful draft.
Well done James
You say it all right here:
Being a player in the NFL is an esteemed privilege, not a right.
Don’t want to be a role model? Don’t want to be in the spotlight? Want to be a hell raiser or take risks? Fine, but don’t expect to remain the NFL. I have no problem with this. I would gladly follow those rules to make just the minimum in the NFL.
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Same here...
I would gladly follow those rules to make just the minimum in the NFL.
Great article James. I agree with both you and Jaxon. I played football back in the day and would have loved to continue on, especially to the NFL. Playing in the NFL is a privilege earned – both on and off the field in my opinion.
by The Duke Dude on Apr 12, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly Jaxon.
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by James Dator on Apr 12, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
hahah holmes is a jerk
my friend got rejected at the autograph session. Holmes refused to give autographs during an autograph session because he was texting his friends. My friend settled with Jeff Reed’s autograph.
Considerably less, actually.
I work in a job that requires bonding, so repeated drug and assault arrests would assuredly cost me my job – which is a GREAT deal less than the league minimum.
by panthersnbraves on Apr 12, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This article outlines why we didn't get Santonio Holmes, and why we won't get Brandon Marshall
Two apples off the same tree. Pound after Pound of talent, but they won’t find themselves here.
Hmmmm....
At first, I didn’t remember Marshall’s off the field problems. Not that I thought the Panthers were going to make a move towards him anyway. I had to go and look up some articles on Marshall and then I started remembering the injury stuff. I don’t remember him getting in as much severe trouble as Holmes though. I wonder how much of Marshall’s problems were having to deal with McDaniels. Thoughts?
by The Duke Dude on Apr 12, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Full agreement.
Good post as usual James, you expressed the exact reasons I love this organization. Sad will be the day JR moves on and that integrity is compromised by a lesser owner. But, thankfully, we need not talk about such times yet.
Do not agree
I’m sorry James but I disagree with you bigtime. Signing Santonio Holmes or Brandon Marshall would not be detrimental to the team. You have to remember that we don’t know a lot of these guys and the media will portray someone the way they want. The prior charges are concerning, but you have to let a player prove himself. If he goes the wrong way then do like the Steelers and cut the player. Plus, a change in atmosphere can help anybody. Steve Smith (my favorite player) punched a teammate in the face. Is he a problem child or detrimental to the team? Of course not.
I don’t know about you but I want to see the Panthers do something. Its ridiculous to not sign good players just because YOU don’t think they’re good people. Take a chance to sign someone and maybe your organization is good enough to turn that person around (Patriots are a good example). So as we stand pat and not sign “bad morale” players, Steve Smith has no help, Matt Moore has no back-up, our D-Line is empty, and we as a team have regressed.
And lets be real for a sec guys, the big reason why we’re not signing players is because Richardson is tanking the 2010 season due to the CBA talks…and it sucks.
Sorry guys for ranting, just frustrated…
You can quote that!!!!
I understand you're frustrated
But tell me who the New England Patriots have signed with the extensive criminals run ins of Marshall or Holmes?
The Patriots deal with guys who have issues of the field regarding their playing time, coaching staff, role on a team or frustrations with their contracts. While they may draft guys who had issues in college (see Brandon Meriweather) it isn’t their modus operandi to sign players who have had legal troubles after entering the NFL.
As I said in the article the Steve Smith/ Ken Lucas issue was apples to oranges with the issues of Santonio Holmes. Smitty’s problem was being overwhelmed by emotion during an on field altercation and punching Lucas- this came from his compeditiveness. He didn’t get arrested for drugs, or spousal abuse- issues which are both off field illegal issues. Furthermore, Smith was never arrested for punching Lucas because Ken Lucas understood that it was Smith being caught in the moment and he chose not to press charges.
I wholly agree that the media takes a ball and runs with it often… but how many chances do you give a guy? When Jon Beason was falsely accused last year I was the first to stand in his defense because the alleged altercation was out of character, however for guys like Mike Vick, Santonio Holmes, Brandon Marshall and Adam Jones being arrested or in trouble with the law became par for the couse of their summer program.
Obviously Pittsburgh thought that Holmes was detrimental enough that they traded a former 1st round pick for a 5th rounder just to get him out of town (footnote: today Holmes was banned for four games). Personally, I would rather follow the Pittsburgh model for team building than the Cincy model. Clearly Denver are so sick of Brandon Marshall that they want him out of town too though their asking price is far higher.
We wont know if this team has indeed ‘regressed’ until the end of the 2010 season. We are signing players (just signed another today in Aaron Francisco) we’re just not making big, flashy, bold moves. Might I add that New England the team you mentioned for taking risks hasn’t signed anyone of note either this offseason.
You could very well be right and 2010 could be an absolute nightmare, but I just don’t see it. I think you’ll agree with me when I say I hope you’re pleasantly suprised when you see the performance of the 2010 Panthers, because I think they’re a lot more talented than you’re giving them credit for.
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Very nice james. Well put in all topics.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 12, 2010 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope so
The Pats took a chance and signed guys like Randy Moss and Corey Dillon who both had character issues. Yet they were turned around just by how the Pats ran their organization. Thats who I was referring to. And yes, they have yet to sign a big FA (they have signed Algie Crumpler), but they have 4 early draft picks and are expected to be very active during the draft.
I’m not going to try to argue with you, but I don’t believe in saying someone is just a terrible person and you don’t really know them. Thats just how I feel. Chris Henry went through the same issues when he was young, yet he was on his way to changing his life around. Holmes is probably an extreme case and from the facts that are coming out (3 kids before turning 21), he very well might have been a bad signing. However, it still doesnt take away from the fact that we have huge needs and the Panthers orgnaization has yet to fill them. And if we get too stuck up our own a**, then we are going to just be stale while other teams pass us by. We have too much talent for that.
And I’m guessing that you declined to comment on my Richardson spill. I think we all know he’s tanking the season.
You can quote that!!!!
hes not tanking the season
The cba isn’t that scary to tank a season. Check it out. Fox is just too loyal to vets. He underestimates young players and trys to stick by HIS “sure thing”. Hurney made comments hinting along these lines. There isn’t a void that has been left by releasing a vet.
We have young guys that now move up. Young guys that have been in the system. Young guys with enough charcter not to bitch and say when is it going to be my turn. When these young guys have had to come in they have showed promise in their limited opportunitys. This team is going to be great. We are witnessing the foundation of a dynasty in progress! We have seen the blocks slowly come into place…philosophy players coaches leaders. Be patient
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Apr 12, 2010 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like the optimism
I guess I need to be more patient. Hope you guys are all right
You can quote that!!!!
No offense Da Kid Long
But I didn’t respond to the ‘Richardson is tanking the season’ comment because it was too preposterous to comment on. Richardson is running a business, and he’s not going to destroy his organizations’ profitability for the sake of making a point.
Neither Randy Moss nor Corey Dillon had issues as adults that Santonio Holmes had. Moss did 30 days in prison for a battery charge that was pending from his high school days and Corey Dillon was never arrested, not once.
So to keep tally:
- Randy Moss and Corey Dillon: 0 arrests as adults
- Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall: 9 arrests as adults
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"Richardson is running a business"
Its preposterous to think the CBA is no factor for Richardson coming into the season. For financial reasons, its actually smart to not sign anybody since the NFL could have a lockout next season. You’re going to tell me that the Panthers releasing almost all of their 30+ aged players had nothing to do with the CBA? Come on dude.
And another example for you James, its all coming to light that Rocketburger is not the best character person. Does that look bad on the Steelers for keeping him? Vick had tons of character issues coming out of school. Does it look bad on the Falcons organization or bad on Vick? Your organization is viewed by how they deal with players when issues come up, not by who they have on their team. If the Panthers are just going to follow what you say and just sign players who you think are good people, then you leave room to do what I think you are doing with a lot of these players, and that is judging.
No offense James The Aussie
You can quote that!!!!
Of course the CBA is factoring into how Richardson runs his business, but using the term ‘tanking’ indicates that he is willing to jepordize his business. I don’t believe Jerry Richardson is ‘tanking’ the Panthers in 2010, but he is cutting costs. When a bank lays off employees we don’t say that bank is ‘tanking’ their financial year, do we?
Of course the burden of responsibility is on the player, not the organization when a player like Vick, or Roethlisberger enters the league. Neither Vick, nor Big Ben had legal problems while in college. If they did and the team drafted them anyway then they are assuming the risk that the behavior is part of a pattern.
Ben Roethlisberger has still never been arrested for anything. I agree that he’s not looking like ‘the golden child’ but there’s no reason the Steelers should be looked at negatively, because legally Roethlisberger hasn’t done anything. The Steelers cut Holmes because legally he has had numerous arrests and now a suspension.
As for Vick, the Falcons released him when he was charged with his felony. So, I fail to see why anyone would see them in a negative light given they cut him due to his off-field conduct.
You can say I’m judging players… and you’re right… I am. People don’t get arrested multiple times for no reason; it just doesn’t happen. People who get arrested multiple times prove themselves to consistently be behaving in a manor which is counter to the law our society dicatates. I don’t care if a guy is the greatest player in the world, I’m not willing to ever support a player who behaves heiniously.
After all, we need a receiver- maybe Rae Carruth will get parole…
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by James Dator on Apr 13, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be even more judgemental (character matters)
“Ben Roethlisberger has still never been arrested for anything. I agree that he’s not looking like ‘the golden child’ but there’s no reason the Steelers should be looked at negatively, because legally Roethlisberger hasn’t done anything.”
Roethlisberger is at best a meat head who plies under-aged students with drinks and then takes advantage of them, and at worst is a serial rapist. IMHO saying Ben didn’t do anything is being a tad obtuse, since Pittsburgh players are also expected to act ethically (especially ones who are supposed to be face of the franchise).
Ignoring waste cases like Holmes and Big Ben when they are available is also good business sense since they’ll likely cause lots of bad press and locker room headaches that no amount of triage can mend.
Just to clarify, I did make a point of saying ‘legally Roethlisberger hadn’t done anything’.
Personally, I think it’s extremely suspicious that thye only evidence that could have ensured his guilt was conveniently erased off a security camera. I also wholly believe Goodell should suspend Roethlisgerger for bringing a negative light on the league, just to remain consistent.
However, Steeler creedo or not, they’re not going to cut their franchise QB when he hasn’t been arrested for anything.
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Could Roethlisberger be next?
I say we offer Rooney a couple 6th rounds for Big Ben, draft Tebow with our 2nd and handcuff them together every time they leave the field. Maybe Tim can convert him.
LOL!
Santonio Holmes was the scapegoat for all the Steelers’ indiscrections and his suspension sealed the deal.
WRs of Holmes’ skill are easy to find- QBs are a different story.
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WR’s of his skill are easy to find? The Panthers haven’t found one since Steve Smith…
by Brigman Kinard on Apr 13, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
True
But just because the Panthers lack at scouting a WR doesn’t mean that league wide it follows that trend.
I was referring to the Steelers.
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Holmes' skill are easy to find
Ask half the teams in the NFL if a SB MVP receiver is easy to find
You can quote that!!!!
His career numbers aren't that spectacular
And he was the Super Bowl MVP because he made the game winning catch.
So, yeah – a comparable receiver to Holmes would be easy to find.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Yeah they will...
They’ll be on the sideline. :)
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Troy Brown, Superbowl MVP
Only one 1,000 yard season in a 14 year career.
I don’t know if hanging your hat on one game is enough to convince me.
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by James Dator on Apr 13, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Deion Branch was a Super Bowl MVP
How’s his career gone?
Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.
120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Apr 14, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
just a thought
Not that this merits any real consideration…but Big Ben has an interesting skill set as a QB to extend plays. This allows his receivers an extra second or two(or four) to get open. Now finding open spots in a breakdown play is a skill set as a receiver. But I think Holmes may be slightly overvalued because of his QB’s skill set.
by adamwanderer on Apr 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I call it 'the USC effect'
My theory is because USC is traditionally so far ahead of most teams in the PAC-10 they’re O-line gives the QB an unnaturally long amount of time in the pocket.
Give a WR time and he’ll always beat a CB, always… so with all that time to make a throw receivers are always going to be open.
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by James Dator on Apr 13, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
So now you’re going to de-value Holmes career accomplishments? Really? So by the “USC effect,” Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress were just made to look good by their O-Line?
I’m ok with you not liking the guy, but don’t discount him on the field.
You can quote that!!!!
not discounting
This is a team game and having other pieces in place make some players appear to be more capable than they are. Wes Welker for example, is a gritty, tough, quick guy with solid hands. But IMO without Moss running coverage off of him he wouldn’t have developed into the force that he is. Developing belief and confidence in one’s abilities is a large part of just about anything.
I think back to playing basketball, getting an easy bucket early on in the game often helped me. Or playing QB (at admittedly a very low level) getting an easy completion helped my mindset. I stepped into throws more, I didn’t doubt my own abilities as much.
I’m not saying Holmes isn’t a solid player. I agree his ability to find spots, read coverage and make plays is very good. I am just saying his QBs ability/bad habits (point of view) for holding onto the ball and throwing out of a broken play helps him. I don’t see that as a slight to the player.
by adamwanderer on Apr 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Who really knows.
Throw to one of the “other’s” on 25% of your pass plays and they might surprise you. Look at what Wes Welker did in Miami, and what he is now doing NE. Holmes got thrown to almost as much a Rosario, King, Jarrett, Barnidge, Moore, and Martin combined.
+1
LMAO!!! That is the best thing I’ve heard in days…
by The Duke Dude on Apr 13, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The Tebow/Roethlisberger Conundrum
This is rumored to be Tim Tebow’s girlfriend. Ben would be all over that shit.
http://www.manolith.com/2009/07/09/tim-tebows-girlfriend/
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He's probably lobbying the Steelers to draft Tebow now...
“Hey Mr. Rooney, you said you want character guys – well they don’t get higher character than Tebow, and we could use a backup QB for when I assault hook up with meet his girlfriend.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Hearty chuckle
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Who Cares .
If the Steelers let him walk for a 5th rounder then he must be a true trouble marker; plus he is suspended for the first 4 games next season. I am glad we didn’t trade for him and the Jets have serious character issues on their team this season. Strong team but can they get along and stay out of trouble doubtful< LOL.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Apr 12, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll also add in to my comment – I remember Santonio coming out of college having character concerns and being surprised Pittsburgh took him to begin with.
by Brigman Kinard on Apr 13, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Hoover
I agree with the generalities of the article, but when Hoover was cut, I felt as if the panthers were straying from their principles. He helped produce a great running game and was always willing to stick his helmet where the sun don’t shine. Why cut him? They didn’t save alot of money. They should have let him retire a panther.
I think the reaction you're having to Hoover is an emotional one (and I understand why you feel that way)
Hoov was a fan favorite, but cutting players on the last year of their contract is part of the NFL and a known move every team uses, as a fan it might seem harsh- but players know this can and will occur.
People didn’t have the same reaction to Stephen Davis or Ken Lucas, both of whom went through the same thing that Hoover did, but Hoov’s role as a fan favorite make it tougher for fans to swallow. Ultimately, the writing was on the wall for Hoover when the Panthers drafted Tony Fiametta and when Fiametta performed almost at Hoover’s standard his rookie year it was tougher to justify keeping both players.
I agree 100% that Brad Hoover was an amazing player and a guy willing to give it his all every, single down- and he was rewarded hansomely for it. The Carolina Panthers made Hoover a multi-millionaire; not bad for a player who wasn’t drafted.
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While certainly the reaction is in part emotional, the panthers are known for being more loyal to their vets. And sending Hoover on the fan cruise and then cutting him a bit later seemed like a weird move. I would like to have seen Hoover get a year or two contract so we can get a better look at Fiametta, especially with all the changes going on throughout the organization.
Having a stalwart like Hoov around to settle the running game seemed like a better play considering the amount of money we’re talking about and all the changes going on this year. Who knows though, maybe Fiametta will show he is every bit as good as Hoov or even better. If so, then that’s why Foxy and Hurney make the big bucks and I’m just jabbering on some blog. ;-)
If it makes you feel any better:
I broke down the numbers and the Panthers only averaged 6.2 yards less in the running game in 2009 when Fiametta was filling in for Hoov injured than when Hoover started.
Perhaps with another training camp under his belt he’ll surpass that. Let’s not forget, Fiametta was regarded as a very special talent at FB. Easily the best in the draft class and arguably one of the best in the last 3-4 years.
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Thanks, that analysis does make me feel quite a bit better! It sounds like with some more seasoning Fiametta could easily surpass Hoov.
I see Fi
as an instant upgrade at the FB position in terms of contributing yardage, whether it be running or catching. Hoov had a tendency to drop balls, too. I think the coaches were tired of knowing there was no way they could dump it off to their FB on even 3rd and medium, and expect to get a first down.
But his blocking will be missed until Fi gets a little more greasaay.
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