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Panther Paw Prints - Over 30 Purge Edition

Update by Jaxon: After reading this headline for the first time today it occurred to me there was a better way to describe 'the purge'. Over 30 Purge. So I had to change it.

After watching one of the biggest roster purges in NFL history Panther fans are a little bewildered as we survey the remains of the Panthers roster.One of the biggest if not the biggest surprise was the release of fan favorite FB Brad Hoover:

Inside the Panthers: Hoover: "I never wanted to leave Carolina"
"I never wanted to leave Carolina," Hoover, 33, said in a telephone interview. "My intention was to play my whole career here. "But for 10 years I was given the opportunity to play for the Panthers and it was a dream come true. To play in my home state, in front of great fans, with a great organization, it’s hard to part ways with that for me personally. "Today is a very hard day in my life because I’ve been with one organization, one team, for such a long time. … If I could’ve written my script, I would’ve retired as a Panther."

If only we could build a whole roster of players with Brad Hoover's attitude we would be a thankful fan base. What a contrast to DE Julius Peppers, who had no such 'dream' though he too was a local product. Peppers instead wasted no time getting his drink on in Chi-town:

Peppers Wastes No Time Enjoying Chicago - The Trenches - The Trenches - Sporting News
Peppers, one of three of the newest Chicago Bears, purchased 25 bottles of Perrier Jouet Fleur de Champagne ($350 per bottle) at Crescendo and had them distributed by staff around 2:30 a.m. on Saturday — complete with sparklers, according to the Chicago Tribune. The crowd was told it was Peppers' way of saying thanks for the warm welcome. Peppers celebrated at the nightclub with two other people in a roped-off area and ordered three bottles of Ace of Spades Rose ($3,000 per bottle) for his table, the newspaper reports.

Let's see how long the honeymoon lasts...

Star-divide

Of course the real blindside was the release of QB Jake Delhomme. Well, at least one person was blindsided:

Here's the real reason behind Jake's tears - CharlotteObserver.com
Jake Delhomme is the best quarterback the Panthers have ever had. But he was terrible in 2009, after an awful playoff game at the end of 2008. Still, when he found out he was off the team, as he put it Friday, he was "blindsided." In his mind, he was still in his prime.

I think its safe to say that if not for the uncapped year Delhomme and probably a couple other players would still be on the roster...Would somebody please tell this next guy to shut up!

Darin Gantt's Panthers Blog | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
The diminutive passer might need to be a WR at the next level, as many view him as a slot receiver and return man. But Edwards said the Panthers have scheduled a private workout for him on March 18, two days after his pro day workout for all teams. There, he'll work as both a passer and a receiver. "The Panthers have been showing a good amount of interest, more than any team," Edwards wrote on the website.

The Panthers won't like you tipping their hand Edwards and personally I'd like to see what you got...Now when it comes to a back-up QB I prefer to know what I got, so let's please wrap this guy up:

Can Panthers find another QB? - CharlotteObserver.com
The free-agent market is next to useless, with no viable, young alternative in the unrestricted market. In fact, their own backup, Josh McCown, is probably the best of the bunch, and he said recently the Panthers sound interested, but not eager to do anything soon. That sets him up as the fall-back position in case their other plans don't pan out.

Mock this! Yours truly is rep-ing the Panthers in a mock draft over at NoLogoNeeded.com, a Cleveland Browns blog. It's hard to get excited about mocks yet again when you don't pick until #47 but I'm trying to humor myself. I'll ping you guys though when it gets close just to see what you think of the remaining options.



Poll
Which of these former Panthers will you miss the most next season?
Jake Delhomme
88 votes
Julius Peppers
98 votes
Brad Hoover
306 votes
Muhsin Muhammad
98 votes
Na'il Diggs
5 votes
Damione Lewis
8 votes
Rhys Lloyd
18 votes
Other
2 votes

623 votes | Poll has closed

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W/ Regards to the pole

I said Brad Hoover, no doubt. He still has game, is the best blocking FB in the league, and was cheap as well as productive. This cut befuddles me… Second place is Jake, just because he is such a stand up guy. Next is Moose because everyone loves Moose, he represents the panthers so well. We are gonna miss these guys…

by SouthernPanther on Mar 9, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

I'm still waiting for Moose to come back.

I really think the Panthers will take him. It’s just a matter of time.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 9, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted Moose for personal and football reasons

I just feel we are weakest at his position, and as Southtunnel so eloquently put it, we have not done well in the draft with wide receivers. On a purely personal note, Jake and Hoove are the hardest to deal with. I think a large part of that is unlike Moose, they never wanted to try greener pastures. Sadly, I think that as players (not people), Jake and Hoove were the most expendable. Man it hurt to type that sentence.

The fact that we have lost two of our better/ best players to Chicago in FA is highly amusing, and I hope JP asked Moose how welcoming Chi-Town is when you don’t live up too your billing. The Champaign thing is just one more reason that I hope JP breaks an ankle against the Panthers.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 9, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Moose

with Hoover in a strong second/tie. It’s sad to see these guys go and when the team doesn’t seem to have a great replacement for them it just plain sucks.

I’m buying tix to the bears game just for peppers and his BS. i don’t wish injury on any player but JP may be the biggest jackass in the game, and i hope to god he brings his best game to us this season and gets slapped around by our O-Line.

by bleed_in_blue on Mar 9, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

I voted Hoover

I know the front office did it for a reason, but I really wish they wouldn’t have cut the Hoov. He was one of the best, if not the best, FB’s in the league and it sucks to see him go.

Moose would be my 2nd – and it’s a close 2nd, but there’s a small chance he comes back. That’s not the case for Hoover (or Jake).

by bwsmith25 on Mar 9, 2010 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

Derek Anderson

So heard he got cut but haven’t seen anything on here about it?
How much $$ would he be wanting? what’s the chances the panthers give him a shot?

by ClaytonFire on Mar 9, 2010 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

Considering that he sucks out loud and has a history with Davidson

I’d say the chances are pretty good that he will be in a Panthers uniform this season. I hope not, because he’s not that good – but I imagine he will get a look since he has worked with Davidson in the past.

by bwsmith25 on Mar 9, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

he seems like another Jake Delhomme… but cheaper
seems like just up Fox/Hurney’s alley!!!

by ClaytonFire on Mar 9, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

They have to be talking to him then

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure he would be any better than McCown

but he may have a short learning curve given his prior history with Davidson. McCown would certainly be cheaper though you would think. Maybe if the Panthers talk to Anderson McCown might go ahead and sign that contract!

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

He makes Delhomme look like Joe Montana

He had one good year in 2007 when he went to the Pro Bowl. Take away that season, and he has yet to have a QB rating over 70 for a full season (63.1 in 2006, 66.5 in 2008, and a whopping 42.1 last season). And his rating during his Pro Bowl season was only 82.5 so I don’t think we need to bring him in. His Pro Bowl season seems to be the exception and not the rule up to this point in his career. I’d rather give the opportunity to Matt Moore.

by bwsmith25 on Mar 9, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

He’s down right horrible. I honestly don’t know how he made the pro bowl with an 82.5. Please stay away from the Carolinas. Please.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

That being said

He DID play in Clevland… who WOULD be a good QB in Cleveland???
His reaction was pretty interesting… Anderson hates Browns fans
Says he hopes his new team destroys the browns when he goes back to Cleveland…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 10, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually did like his reaction to the fans in Cleveland

What a way to go out, eh? A big F-U to the fans. Of course they kinda deserved it b/c they did cheer when he got hurt – that’s not cool.

by bwsmith25 on Mar 10, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

In Order: Hoooooov, Pep, Lloyd, Lewis, Moose, Diggs, Delhomme

Fiametta looks a little on the weak side, to take all that Pro pounding. Pep consumed double teams, and shifted a lot of focus away from other players. Lloyd gave us ever so crucial field position. It goes down hill from there.

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 9, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Going downhill is good!

Helps our defense hit harder.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 9, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted other

I’m gonna miss them all. I really couldn’t decide between the Hooov and Mooooooooose.:(

This sig is dedicated to those cut in the 2009 purge.

by chinchillas sword on Mar 10, 2010 5:52 AM EST reply actions  

How I love the irony

Bears overpay for Peppers because of his reputation- not substance, who in turn overpays for two champagnes that are both inferior to cheaper bottles but are expensive for reputation alone.

My rankings:
Jake, Hoov, Moose, D-lew, Lloyd, Diggs, Pep

I also think it’s a little unfair of Gantt to characterize Edwards as little more than a receiver and slot return man.

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I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

Your biggest loss is a guy that probably would not have been on the field?

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 9:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Absolutely.

The question was “Which of these former Panthers will you miss the most next season?”

Hands down I’ll miss Jake the most.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Guess I read more as who you miss for the team's sake.

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Cutler did the same thing

Right after the Bears overpaid for Jay, he bought drinks for everyone in a bar. Look how that turned out for him. Didn’t he win the 2009 INT derby?

by dogear on Mar 10, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

lol...

I prefer the slot myself over the post play!

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So much for laying low in Chicago there Pep

Buying champagne for a whole club… that’s how you stay under the radar alright.

Way to be anonymous.

Draft. Armanti.

by Tater596 on Mar 10, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

I heard they are interested in Tebow

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Mike Florio's take on Panther cuts

Florio made some good points on WFNZ this morning. The teams that are really active at the beginning of free agency always over pay. The Panthers are simply letting values drop and then filling the roster with solid depth. The only problem is that we now have so many holes to fill.

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 9:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hopefully Wright is a sign

Of the underrated high potential talent they plan on picking up.

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 9:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes...but the holes are in depth, not starters

Look at the unproven starters as of today: Fiammetta, Bernadeau (or Robinson), Conner (or Anderson), and Jarrett. That’s not a real bad situation actually.

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh forgot the DE's

Brown & Johnson…that is a little worrisome

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like a lot of uncertainty to me

Most of these guys have shown promise, but have not shown that in a bigger role they can outperform the guys they are replacing. I’m looking forward to see if they can, but it still is a risk.

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You rarely (if ever) have a situation where you're cutting someone with a replacement you know will outperform them.

If they haven’t already won the starting job by the end of the season you’re making a calculated risk. It’s one of the elements that creates parity across the league.

Sometimes the gamble pays off, sometimes it doesn’t… but ultimately the team have faith that their gambles will pay off.

If the Packers had little confidence in Aaron Rodgers they would have brought back Brett Favre… if the Chargers didn’t have faith in Philip Rivers they wouldn’t have let Drew Brees go.

These mark two occasions where the gamble paid off. Let’s hope our gambles go the same way!

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by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonder if how Bernadeau and Schwartz filled in so well has had any bearing on how the coaches are so optimistic in thinking new guys will step up.

Maybe they think all the 2nd stringers are groomed and ready to go.

I hope Fiametta is — he’s the only one I have doubts about, in his ability to match his predecessor.

by bigdavis on Mar 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What? That's crazy. It happens all the time.

You rarely cut somebody assuming the guy behind him will be worse, unless it’s just purely for financial reasons. Of the top of my head… Dan Morgan, Mike Wahle, Justin Hartwig, Deshaun Foster, Stephen Davis, Ken Lucas… All had guys behind them that we were confident would make a better contribution.

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by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

“assuming the guy behind him will be worse” and “having faith the guy behind him could be better” are very different things.

All those situations you mentioned; Morgan, Wahle, Hartwig, Foster, Davis, Lucas… how are they any different to the situation now?

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by James The Aussie on Mar 11, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly the difference with Davis...

…we didn’t have an established power back behind him when we let him go.
When we let foster go, we had an established two year guy who actually looked way better and showed better mechanics than his predecessor.
I just hope we don’t have another Keyshawn disaster where we let an established position player go and draft a rookie who is not ready.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 11, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The point with Davis was that after the injury, he could only muster up 3 yards per carry

Almost anyone, even Foster would have been an upgrade. The question was whether or not you thought the guy behind him could do better. And in 2005, practically everyone did because Davis was playing so poorly.

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 11, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

how are they different to the situation now?

Morgan couldn’t play more than games per season without getting knocked out… Beason hasn’t missed a single game, and has already made the ProBowl.

Vincent and Wharton were both bigger guards than Wahle, more suited for the running game Fox wanted… and that worked out to perfection.

I personally always thought Hartwig was overrated.

In 2005 everyone was sicking of Davis getting only 3 ypc, and wanted Foster to start. Same situation when DeAngelo was Foster’s backup… except DWill turned out to be a HUGE upgrade.

Ken Lucas never recovered from Smitty punching his lights out. In 2008 he had 2 INTs, 53 tackels… the guy opposite him had 3 INTs, 83 tackles.

Did you really think these guys would be a wash or a downgrade?

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 11, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

NOBODY recovers from the rules & regulations being enforced...

As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.

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by bwsmith25 on Mar 11, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I still can't help but think that Lucas had it coming

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by ElBacano on Mar 11, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Any "My Cousin Vinny" fans here?

It just occurred to me that the Panthers’ “two Utes” (Smith and Gross) are now among the oldest players on the roster. Looks like they’ll need to revisit the Utah pool in the upcoming draft.

by dogear on Mar 10, 2010 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

I loved Marissa in that one

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

you would like “before the devil knows you’re dead” then…other than the fact phillip seymour hoffman is in it.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 10, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

For Team moral

i voted hoov. Moose is no longer under contract, Jake had a horrible year and most likely was going to be 2nd string or released, Peppers became a big baby about the whole ordeal and everyone else we are not that closely tied to.

I understand wanting the roster space and age thing, but team moral has to be at the lowest level since 2001. Hoover did his job well and I will miss seeing him play.

by LittleKing on Mar 10, 2010 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

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