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An Eulogy for the Panthers that have now left us.

This last week we have lost a lot of our favorite Panthers. Not just people on the roster, good solid starters that have been on this team for a number of years. Players that have been a good part of our team on and off the field, have represented us in the greatest way possible, and have made us proud. The team seems to be on a bit of a youth movement, but nobody expected that the team would change this much, this quickly.

It's a sad thing, watching some of these players move on. Knowing that we'll never see them in a Panthers uniform ever again. So on this holy day of Sunday when we all go to church and spend time with our families, let's dedicate this time to mourn our fallen Panthers who won't be back to see us next season. Let us remember them for the good times they brought us, and all the memories that come with it.

Jake Delhomme - QB - Age: 35

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How can you start a article like this and not mention Jake Delhomme? It seems just like yesterday that he took over for Rodney Peete in 2003 and took us for the first 4th Quarter comeback of his career against Jacksonville. Look at what he's brought us! Three trips to the playoffs, two NFC Championship appearances, and one wild ride of a Super Bowl.

He's taken this team to a combined record of 50-31 in the regular season, he's a combined 4-3 in the playoffs, he's led this team farther than any of us could have ever hoped and dreamed for. In the clutch, he was unmatched. If there was any QB in the NFL that you wanted to have the ball in the 4th Quarter, it would be Jake Delhomme, no questions asked.

Wherever he goes, wherever he is seen, he will always be our QB. The man that rose from the unknown and took our franchise to greatness. While we look towards the future in Matt Moore, let us also look to the past and tip our hat in his honor. He has had a great run here, and I look forward for him to move on and revive his career elsewhere and take them for a good run too!

The rest of them after the jump!

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Ma'ake Kemoeatu - DT - Age: 30

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People like to talk about the Panthers failures in free agency, but let's talk about some of our successes as well. Ma'ake Kemoeatu was one of them. At 350+ pounds, this guy is a true nose tackle. A dominant run stuffer that takes up a lot of room along the D-line. With him in the lineup, the Panthers had a great time stopping the run. Without him, the Panthers had trouble.

He leaves here with almost 100 tackles on his resume during his four year stay. I wish him luck recovering from his Archilles and I know that we'll see him on another team next year.

Damione Lewis - DT - Age: 31

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Another free agent success from the St. Louis Rams, Damione Lewis took over for Kris Jenkins after he fled Carolina for the New York Jets in 2008. Just like a lot of the guys on the defensive line, he was never a player that people really knew. But he always came to work and did his job when he was asked to, and no one else really saw much of him otherwise. He was still a good player for our team though, registering 43 tackles, 3.5 sacks, and 1 fumble on the QB.

He is another player that won't be with the Panthers next year. It is with a heavy heart that we wish him farewell and goodbye.


Hollis Thomas - DT - Age: 36

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How can you not mention Hollis Thomas when you're talking about players that will be missed? Up until Hollis came to our team in Week 4, the Panthers were one of the worst teams in the league on the defensive side of the ball. He came in and saved our defense, improving the Panthers till they were around the middle of the pack in defending against the run.

The team only grew better as the year wore on. When the team was kicking on all cylinders and Matt Moore was starting, it was no surprise that the Panthers were one of the top teams on defending the rush nearing at the end of the season. The Panthers held Adrian Peterson of the Vikings to 35 yards, Adan Bradshaw of the Giants to 53, and Lynell Hamilton and Reggie Bush of the Saints to just 83 during the last 3 weeks. A lot of this is due to Hollis Thomas leading the group up front, plugging up the gaps with his massive body and keeping the other team from charging right up the middle.

Tyler Brayton - DE - Age: 30

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Tyler came over from the Oakland Raiders in  2008, and he became a pretty decent player to pair up with Julius Peppers. He registered over 80 tackles in his two year stay with Carolina, 10 sacks, and a pair of fumble recoveries. He was admirable for his hard work ethic above anything else.

He once said that he would be heartbroken if the Panthers did not bring him back. Sadly, the Panthers seemed to deem him too old to play on their team any longer. But Tyler's career is far from over. When you see a guy that will work as hard as Tyler can, he's going to be in shape for quite some time. I guarantee he'll be on another roster this upcoming season, and he'll be back in the starting lineup getting ready to wack on opposing QB's once more.

Na'il Diggs - LB - Age: 31

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Na'il Diggs came over from Green Bay in 2006 after having a rough year the year before. He revived his career in Carolina and became an instant starter as a weakside linebacker in his first year, starting 15 games and registering 61 tackles. As he grew older though, age slowly began to catch up with him. He had 3 good consecutive years until 2009, where he only registered 28 tackles starting in 14 games.

At an older age and in a different defensive system, Na'il Diggs seems to have lost a step. He isn't as good a player as he was in years past.  Still, he was an intricate part of our 12-4 record in 2008, proving that John Fox's loyalty to his veterans is not at all as bad as we all think. Now he moves on to a new team and a new destiny, and hopefully he will revive his career once more and have a couple more good years before he retires.


Keydrick Vincent - G - Age: 31

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Keydrick Vincent was the product of John Fox and his multiple signings of cheap guards throughout the NFL to give our O-Line a boost coming into 2008. At age 30, Vincent won the battle over former Chargers guard Toniu Fonoti and started for the Panthers in 2008 and he played a full 14 games before he went down right before the playoffs.

He returned at full heath in 2009 and helped the Panthers to an 8-8 record. The offensive line was wonderful the entire year, but the offense never really caught fire till the end of the season till Jake Delhomme was taken out in favor of Matt Moore. Next year, Duke Robinson will take over for Vincent barring the signing of a free agent, and we'll see how the rookie does as we move forward towards younger guys.

Good luck to Keydrick, I hope that his time in Carolina will help him score a much larger contract somewhere else.

Rhys Lloyd - K - Age: 27

The Panthers looked towards Europe when they were looking to solve their kickoff woes, the Panthers only had 2 kicks reach the endzone for a touchback in 2007, worst in the NFL. Rhys Lloyd came over to the Panthers in 2008, an Englishman from the bankrupt NFL Europa seeking a career and a paycheck in the NFL as a kickoff specialist. He did not disappoint.

The Panthers improved from worst in the league in kickoff coverage to one of the best. The Panthers rode Ryse Lloyd, watching him faithfully boot ball after ball into the stands game after game. Our special team woes became a non-factor, because the other team would never have to touch the ball to begin with. Hopefully we'll see him back this year, but the Rhys Lloyd will get to test free agency and he will look for a deal above the NFL minimum of $545,000.

He is well worth it. You can't do too much to the other team if you don't touch the ball.

Julius Peppers - DE - Age: 30

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Enjoy your new contract Julius.

Brad Hoover - FB - Age: 33

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Oh Brad Hoover. Why do you have to leave us too? Today on March 8th, I have to sadly add you to the list of roster casualties as well. Brad Hoover came to our team as an undrafted free agen. He has spend his entire career in Carolina and quickly became a fan favorite. Ten years. Brad Hoover has been with us for over a decade. Whether it was the way that he conducted himself off the field, the way that he seemed to truly care for his fans, or maybe it was his big goofy face, the fans simply loved him. He was the loyal lead blocker that helped lead the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2003, and off to the playoffs countless times.

And now he's gone. The Panthers have decided to forgo his contract, and move on with players like Terrall Sutton and Tony Fiametta. All this....seemingly only due to his age. As Chris Harris has said on his blog, he will truly be missed. We can only hope, we can only pray, that our Carolina Panthers have some method to their madness. We can put someone else at FB and ask them to try to block, but no one will ever be able to truly replace the Hoov. He is, was, and always will be.....our guy.

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i didn’t realize we actually let him go.

by SouthernPanther on Mar 7, 2010 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

He's at the end of his contract.

The Panthers opted not to bring him back. D=

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 7, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

thats too bad

i am excited about duke robinson though…the man is a monster

by SouthernPanther on Mar 7, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup! I'm not worried at all.

Duke Robinson was absolute money in the 5th round. I still can’t believe he lasted that long. Kudos to Marty Hurney for holding out that long and not picking him in the 4th round. That’s like calling a running play on 5th and long in the regular season.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 7, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Ivan459 on Mar 7, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks :D

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 7, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought that the panthers offered Brayton a contract

it just wasnt enough money. i would love to have him back as a panther though. his work ethic is probrobly top 5 on the team if not higher

im glad you mentioned hollis thomas. he was a huge impact last year.

by pantherpride on Mar 7, 2010 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Hollis more than deserved a mention.

If Jake Delhomme didn’t give the other team as many chances as he did, I bet you guys anything that our team would have made a run for a top 10 defense on all levels of the game, no question. A large part of that was Hollis Thomas. Those first 3 games we played without him? Good grief. It looked like the parting of the Red Sea on every single play.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 7, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure that he's so worn down that he couldn't contribute another year.

But with the youth movement now underway, unlikely that it’ll happen. He was great.

by bigdavis on Mar 7, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Panthers Video archives

I would love to have the 2003 Jacksonville game in it’s entirety.
Also 2003 Tampa Bay, 2003 Indy, A couple of the Nick Goings 2004 games. Moose in 2004 putting up 16 TDs. 2005 Steve Smith goes crazy with 1500 yards.

But mostly the shot where Jake runs onto the field in 2003 at the Jacksonville game. Pre-Jake our choices were Rodney Peete, Chris Weinke, Daymeune Craig, and Randy Fasani.

by Barbados on Mar 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

Never forget Randy Fasani

Has there ever been an NFL QB who had their only TD pass taken away by a call even the announcers thought was BS? No. The NFL just wanted their Golden Girls the Falcons to shut out a division rival (I can’t prove that, but just another reason I don’t want Vick).

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That was garbage.

Ever since the Falcons took Michael Vick, the NFL can’t stop smooching on their rear end it seems. Now that they’ve got Matt Ryan, it’s simply gotten worse.

Oh well. Matt Moore will cure Ryan of that right quick. He’s invulnerable to a Sophomore slump, he never made it to the NFL Draft to begin with!

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 7, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No sophomore slump

4th year coming up for Moore. Remember he started a few games in ’07.

by bigdavis on Mar 7, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping

that they could keep either Hollis or Lewis as at least reliable back ups

by JBeason52 on Mar 7, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

lol

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 7, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a winner!

by dcflw on Mar 7, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys are still bitter about losing Pep huh?

You don’t resort to name calling for guys that aren’t that significant. Only for guys that in the back of your head you know it will hurt to lose. So we have some DE’s that under little pressure made a couple plays… I hope they dominate.

But the truth is, replacing a 3 down future hall of fame DE, who often draws double teams, consumes OC’s attention, and takes the pressure off of the rest of the line… Filling those shoes will NOT be easy.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

HOF?

Yeah, right.
He’s very good. At times, great. But one of the all-time greats?

Not even close.

I do agree that people on here are giving an over the top “sour grapes” response to his departure. He’ll be good and at times great in Chicago, and I wish him the best there.

by the bomb dot com on Mar 7, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

IDK

The benchmark for DEs in the HOF is around 120 sacks. He is 39 shy of that, which is 3 very solid years. Where it may not be all about sacks, they certainly are what DEs are measured by. I’d have to think that is part of the move to Chicago, a lifer in Carolina will have a harder time getting HOF votes than a guy with more"visibility" in Chicago…(the tradition he speaks so fondly of).

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 7, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

IDK too

He just got his payday… maybe it’s time to dive into the money pit like Scrooge McDuck and sleep for the rest of his career.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Where to Mr. Mc D?!

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 7, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my after-school favs, James

But seriously, I’ll set the over/under at 1.5 good years.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 7, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Scrooge McDuck was the best.

Disney at it’s prime, no question!

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 7, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Darkwing Duck...

Like Peppers he’s adept at disappearing too!

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I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Sleep the rest of his career?

One down year, yet still averages 10.5 sacks? I can understand the logic behind him taking plays off (I’m sure most 3 down players do, depending on the circumstances), but not for an entire season.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s got that magical second contract now… the one he will likely end his career on.

It’s all about the money to Peppers… so why strive for anything else when you have the money?

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I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Your argument is soley based on assumption

Not wanting to stay in his hometown? Tired of many fans scrutinizing him? Wanting to go to a bigger market? Wanting to play for HOF? All equally good assumptions.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Of course it’s based on assumtion. The only thing that’s not based on assumption is statistics:

2002: 6th in sacks
2003: 29th in sacks
2004: 9th in sacks
2005: 11th in sacks
2006: 5th in sacks
2007: 137th in sacks
2008: 5th in sacks
2009: 10th in sacks

I’m really glad our team didn’t pay the man like the #1 pass rusher in the NFL when he’s never sniffed being the #1 pass rusher in the NFL.

I’m tired of hearing the same old justification of ‘he does so much more than get sacks’. Because all those other DEs do ‘so much more than get sacks’… but they also lead the NFL in sacks.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice stats!

You’ve verified that Pep had only one down year in 2007… Oh wait we already knew that. 2.5 that year. Which is what makes his 10.5 average so amazing. Maybe we should get a guy like John Abraham who only takes about 25% of the snaps? That’d be much better than a guy whose out there almost every down, consuming double teams and taking pressure off the others, so guys like Johnson and Brown can get 2-4 sacks.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not about having ‘one down year’ it’s about never having an NFL best year, from a player who is hailed as the ‘best in the NFL’.

I don’t know why John Abraham should be the comparison… his salary isn’t even in the same ballpark. Show me statistically that Peppers is worth 15% more than Jared Allen and we can discuss it.

If you’d like, we can also make a list of current Panthers who wouldn’t be resigned if we gave Peppers what the Bears gave him.

Already Chicago is bracing to lose Olin Kreutz because of the Peppers signing, and he’s just the tip of the iceberg.

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I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

And many more to come based on opening their wallet so wide to sign all those FA’s this year.

by patosan on Mar 8, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

My interpretation...

“That’d be much better than a guy whose out there almost every down, consuming double teams and taking pressure off the others, so guys like Johnson and Brown can get 2-4 sacks.” – The original, as ST said it..

“That’d be much better than a guy whose out there almost every down (even if he is sleep walking), (sometimes) consuming double teams (or fullbacks/tight ends, depending on when the game is being played) and taking pressure off the others (if he feels like the money is worth it this week), so guys like Johnson and Brown can get 2-4 sacks (when Pep decides to rest and doesn’t narrowly beat them to the QB).” – My interpretation :)

I’d say Pep limited their production much more than he opened it up, just because he is a beast when he wants to be. We also don’t know that the sacks Pep got would’ve been impossible for Johnson or Brown, had they been in his position.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 8, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That just doesn't make sense to me

Unlike previous years, Johnson or Brown will now be going against opposing team’s best offensive linemen, with no one else drawing attention away. And that automatically makes them better?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say anything automatically made them better..

But you’re not even giving them the chance to show their abilities against better linemen before automatically assuming they won’t be capable of handling the position.

Just because Pep got the sack doesn’t mean there wasn’t another DE for miles. Remove Pep and perhaps a half second later it’s Johnson or Brown getting the sack. When Pep is on field, though, that half second is removed and the play is over, limiting their opportunities. Obviously, Pep was our most talented DE and more times than not was going to be the first to get to the QB. You’re just assuming that since Pep will be gone, no one’s going to be able to reach the QB. I don’t understand that. I don’t expect them to replicate Pep numbers but I don’t exactly think they’re completely incapable bodies thrown out there just to fill some space either. With price considered, I’ll take the drop in production, I think it’s worth it.

I could very well be wrong but from your posts I’d assume you expect that we will have the leagues absolute worst defensive line. I, on the other hand, expect them to be in the top 16. Not the best but certainly not the worst.

Between different expectations and different opinions of what is “good” and “bad”, I doubt we’ll see eye-to-eye ’til the season starts and we actually see how they perform, ST :P.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 9, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you like a college student?

You always seem to be on at the same time as me, and I’m seven hours ahead. :P

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 9, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

I get off at 10, though, and usually stay online into the later hours. I’ve always been a night owl.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 9, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah

That makes sense. Usually for me my eyes start getting heavy at about 12, so staying up any later isn’t as productive, lol.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 9, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

My problem is not how good of a player he is.

It’s how he acts like a person.

You can be the greatest player in the history of the game, but if you aren’t a good person, people are still not going to respect you, at least in your generation.

Julius Peppers and Carey from Aqua Team Hungerforce are both absolute liars when it came to the things that they have done in Carolina. They have contradicted themselves time and time again, and they have put their teammates and the Panthers in a bad situation throughout their time here the last couple of years. I couldn’t care less what happens to Julius at this point. Even if he were to move on and become a HOFer, I wouldn’t care.

He didn’t want to be in Carolina, period. He proved that by turning down the offer to become the highest paid defensive player of the year in 2007/2008, and causing a holdout that kept the Panthers from signing several key backups in an effort to get out of here. This was more about the money. For some reason, Peppers couldn’t stand to be here anymore, and come hell or high water he was going to take a hike.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 7, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

with that said

I don’t approve of the way he handled leaving. Breakups are hard and often don’t end the way they should. But water under the bridge, I’ll miss the guy.

It’s going to hurt a little seeing him in a Bear’s uniform.

Just for S’s & G’s, IF he is elected to the HOF (assuming he has 3-5 highly productive seasons to close out his career), does he go in a Panther? discuss

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 7, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

in the NFL HOF

players don’t go in associated with a team like they do in MLB…atleast I believe that is the case.

by SouthernPanther on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's as important as it is in MLB

But I do think it is part of it, unofficially.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 7, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Without him...

we WILL be a better D, mark my words.

by dcflw on Mar 7, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said the same thing

statistically speaking that is…

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by Jaxon on Mar 7, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Statictically speaking what?

Louis Leonard, Tank Tyler, Brown, Johnson are a better d-line than Peppers, Thomas, Lewis, Brayton?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

We’re not talking about the D-line, we’re talking about the defense as a whole.

I agree that our team defense will be better without Peppers than with him.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

What?!?!

So even though we’ll have a weaker d-line, the defense as a whole will be better? How is that again?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a realist

I have confidence in Matt Moore, DWill, JStew, most of our secondary. I believe starting a young guy on the o-line in place of Vincent will work, due to the guys that will be around him. But I do not think throwing a bunch of d-line backups to the wolves, with little vets around them, makes us better.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You've said this same thing about twenty-twenty five times now.

We get it.

You may be right; you may be wrong — but we get it.

by bigdavis on Mar 8, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

BigDavis,Why do I get the feeling you get annoyed easily by the contrary?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 9, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And it's not like they are true backups

They were backups last season, but they could probably start for many teams. Indy would love to have Brown, and I’m sure someone would like a young NT. Johnson would be in high demand for teams like the NYG who like DE/DT.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 9, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes many teams would love to start one of them

But not all of them the same season! Oooops not suppose to repeat points I already made.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 9, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If they could all probably start

what’s so bad about them all starting on the same team?

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 10, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, BigDavis is getting on my case for saying it repeatedly, but...

There are things like cluing the snap count and other mental aspects that younger guys usually have trouble with. It results in false starts and other penalties. It’s usually veteran guys on the line that help clue them in on this, remind them their assignments, etc. We don’t have anyone experienced like that.

Listen to some of the ex-pros on WFNZ and the value of d-line experience will make more sense.

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll probably add some experience

If those guys are still in the starting lineup at camp with no one behind them of any experience, I’ll bring an umbrella under your raincloud.

I do agree with at least one aspect of your argument, I’m not comfortable with Everette Brown starting, at least not until I’ve seen how his run support is.

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 11, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

That is why

they are looking for a DE that can stop the run—hence the Marquis Douglas leak…trying to find a replacement for Brayton.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 11, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It's exciting, though. haha

I think that’s what makes it so thrilling every year… Old stars will fall while new ones will arise and others will simply continue to shine as bright as ever. One year you’re no one, the next year you’re a star, then the next you’re old news. I’m hoping some of these back-ups make a name for themselves when the wolves attack. If they don’t, I’m not really losing anything outside of a few months of my life spent in suspense and excitement. I could very well be wrong and they could flop, or I could be right and they prove themselves to be legit. I’m not going to judge them until they get the chance to “speak” for themselves through their play. Until then, I’m going to continue to hope for the best and get laughed at whenever I mention “Carolina”, “Panthers”, “Super Bowl”, and “2010” in the same sentence (happens a lot down here in FLA. And I work with New England and Pittsburgh fans. UGH!).

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 9, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Optimism is a wonderful trait to have! :D

New England and Pittsburgh fans are the worst, Philly fans are pretty bad too.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 9, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Ouch.....

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 9, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest I'm slightly excited about it too

Let’s watch the young guys duke it out. I totally believe that it will be ruff at first, probably a lot of newbie penalties. But my hope is that Moore can play well enough that our offense carries our defense, while the d-line get’s settled.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 9, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe in 2012

But 2 new starters at DE, and if one of them needs a blow, its…its…HileeTaylor?

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 7, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

But this is assuming we go into the season not aquiring a DE

The closer we get to draft day the more I like the kid outta TCU-Jerry Hughes. Check him out on Youtube. When we kick CJ inside on passing downs we are gonna need someone to rotate in at end…so…

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 7, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey...guys!

We’ve got draft choices. Maybe we don’t go after FAs, which is the way it looks. But we’ve got draft choices. We’ll get new blood to replace the guys who are gone.

It’s great that there’s so much emotional processing being done lately, by us fans, after the recent major shifts of personnel (Peppers and Delhomme, and others) — but it’ll pass. We’ll get over it. The Panthers will be a better team for it all.

I’m not sure whether Peppers will ever go into the HOF, but who cares? He’s not here any more, and that’s because he didn’t want to be. “Hey, heay, goood-bye”

In a short while, we won’t feel the need to even talk about him on this blog any more — that’ll be the job of Da Bears.

by bigdavis on Mar 8, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

+1, but not just DEs

The entire d-line will be guys that haven’t started.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No offense, but I think this argument is crazy

When has an NFL team ever drastically improved itself by not spending money? Just because we have a couple of young guys that have shown promise, doesn’t mean we can toss all of them in there and automatically be better.

Jerry Richardson is sooo out of character this year. He is not trying to go for gold in 2010, he’s trying to reduce expenses to prepare for a lockout in 2011. These moves have, we’ll try again in a few years written all over it.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

NFL is Business

Leaving Carolina was Pep’s right to do. Not like Panthers wouldn’t let him go when he declined a little bit (Hoover) Next year mid season it will be like the song that says Don’t know what you got till its gone. It ain’t personal its business.

by Glenn Ross Steffey on Mar 9, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

"Its Business" is what many people don't want to admit

Because sometimes business is not all about winning right now.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 9, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha! Good one..

BTW, as far as being bitter, I don’t believe so. You get what you give, so now he’s on the receiving end and getting from us what he gave us. I’m glad he’s gone and I agree with the above that we’re going to be a better D now. Two ends that want to play are going to be more productive than one that slacks half (and I think I’m being generous with half) the time. Pep got half of his sacks against Tampa Bay (3) and Washington (2). Outside of the final 5 weeks, Pep really had an unspectacular year. Brayton & Johnson seemed to both be more consistent.

The pic for Pep is perfect, definitely worth 1,000 words.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

BTW..

I should add, I expect Pep to have a great year in that div…

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's your starting d-line

Louis Leonard, Everette Brown, Charles Johnson, Tank Tyler. Richardson must be a genius. Because he’s figured out a way to cut proven starters, spend as little money as possible, and still be a better team!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Those 4 together won't make it through training camp

They’ll get man handled everyday by Otah, Wharton and Gross.

See that? Positive about our o-line, negative about our d-line… all in one statement :)

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Picky Patti Peppers

Julius picked a pec, said it was justa bout specs, and now he abandoned his home for bigger checks!

Wonder how Singletary would treat Patti Peppers

J. Sullivan

by pantherpackcaniac on Mar 8, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

pickled peppers

I love Julius Pampers though!

J. Sullivan

by pantherpackcaniac on Mar 8, 2010 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

He is now the enemy and I hope he has a career ending injury in training camp….PANTHERS RULE!

by Panther Eddie on Mar 8, 2010 1:45 AM EST reply actions  

That's not very nice.

[Hyperbole]All Pep needs is a minor sprain to set out half of the season.[/Hyperbole]

(HB tags included so no one wastes time explaining how Pep played through a broken hand last season and so on. I know this, I’m only joking.)

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 8, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Bears fan

just wanted to stop in to say thanks… for not coming over to our house and trashing this FA deal… like some much maligned Bronco fans did after the Cutler trade…ALL last year.

best of luck with Moore, kid looks like he has a good upside… Stewart is a monster too.

"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."

by BearNecessities on Mar 8, 2010 6:54 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for stopping by.

Don’t mistake our ire at Peppers for ill will towards the Bears. I think the vast majority of us were willing to let it go until Julius took every opportunity to trash our franchise to the media after leaving.

Good luck to your team.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 7:04 AM EST up reply actions  

none taken

bash the man all you want, i’m just happy no one came to our house to do it. shows the level of class the Panthers fans have

"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."

by BearNecessities on Mar 8, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

No ill will at your team at all.

But I do hope that Julius Peppers catches a horrible case of “Fall on your face”itus.

I heard that it took out Anthony Gonzales the entire year last year.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 8, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."

by BearNecessities on Mar 8, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Heck, to be honest I love the bears.

I still think Jay Cutler will bounce back. His probably last year was probably his diabetes more than anything. Maybe I’ll start covering them once the stench of Julius has left the team.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it wasn't just about being bitter?

I thought it was because we had backups that statistically where better than Pep?

Well maybe you didn’t say that… I just wish we’d take off our Panther colored blind fold for a moment, and think about why JR is Really cutting SO many players. With so much extra money laying around, the 2010 priority can’t be on winning.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I just don't buy that Peppers is that important to the Carolina Panthers.

Statistically his worst seasons were the Panthers’ best (sans 2007, but that was more due to the QB carousel).

2003: 29th in sacks, Panthers go to Superbowl
2005: 11th in sacks, Panthers go to NFC Championship

Two of his worst seasons were two of the Panthers’ best.

I don’t care if a player is from Julian, NC, Mt. Julliet, TN or played Juliet in the high school play… if any player tries to trash the Panthers organization without good cause (like Peppers has) then they will receive my ire. That’s not bitterness, it’s pride in the team I support.

Peppers is good when he wants to be good. I believe a more cohesive unit will perform better than a unit marred with one slack-ass, no matter how talented said slack-ass may be.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

This is doublespeak

You using arguments for why he’s not the best DE in the league, which is fine. I agree, he’s overrated. But that doesn’t mean 4 d-linemen who’ve never started will be better without Peppers. I can’t believe you guys don’t think playing beside a multi-ProBowler made any difference in these young guys production.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

For the 50% of the plays Peppers gave his all, absolutely it made a difference.

For the other 50%… not so much

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Mar 8, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

My personal take

Early in the year, the D-line will have some growing pains, then we will miss Pep. But we will gel late in the year for the stretch run, that’s the beauty of having such a young D-line. Peppers will be missed, but in time this DL could be better.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 9, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can agree

But the wild card is when the DL is actually better. And I think if it’s better, it’s because we found better players than Lewis, Brayton, and Kemo… those guys at 100% couldn’t match Pep at 50%.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 9, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He's double teamed and game planned against regardless of his effort

The other guys on the line, benefit just by him being there. That’s what happens when you are a star player in any sport… you make life easier for your teammates.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 9, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But now who is going to be double teamed?

No one, it’s not like the double team shifts from Peppers to Brown, it shifts to no one. No one is going to receive all the attention Peppers got, at least until we start racking up the sacks.

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 10, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

you might want to add Hoover to that list of lost panthers :(
 http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/03/08/1299316/twitter-report-panthers-cut-brad.html
oh well we get to see Fiametta and don’t have to carry 2 FBs on our roster now. Plus next year when we most likely bring in Bill Cowher (not lobbying for him just stating my opinion) we’ll be pretty far under the salary cap. Also about the “Julius Pampers” comment I wasn’t being bitter the end of the post just called for a good nickname. well i am pretty bitter especially after hearing him answer questions from the media.. k im done

by ieatcrayons on Mar 8, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

Done and done.

Terrible decision I think this is. Just terrible.

Good grief =(

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't say I disagree with this move

Hoover will be too old once the lockouts over anyways. Best to unload him now.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 8, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like Hurney did his homework on this one

Keep it up Hurney… we need more" diamonds in the ruffs".

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 9, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone remember if it was it duke robinson that trained for strongman competitions?

by ieatcrayons on Mar 10, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

Bernadeau I think it was.

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 11, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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