Panthers Should Target a FA QB
by Jaxon on Mar 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST
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With only Matt Moore and Hunter Cantwell on the current roster the Panthers will need to bring in a free agent to back-up Matt Moore. I can't imagine they would enter the season with only Cantwell and possibly a rookie to back-up Moore. Don't be surprised if Josh McCown comes back once he sees that there are no better options for him to get on the field than in Charlotte. If the Panthers choose to bring in a fresh face then this is the current list of FA QB's available to choose from...after the jump. Oh...and I still hold some slight optimism Delhomme will...ummm, okay its not going to happen. Damn I really liked the thought of Jake being our back-up.
You can find the complete list here but here are my Top 5 picks as far as fit:
2. Kellen Clemons Rex Grossman
3. JP Losman
Okay let's make it Top 3...honestly I think our best bet is to bring McCown back. I like the thought of Kyle Boller but he going to want to start and will probably want too much money. The rest hardly excite me but maybe somebody reading this can provide a compelling case for who the Panthers should target.
Let me hear your preferences!
Update: Looks like Clemmons might cost a 3rd round pick so that's not an option. I thought about Mark Brunell just based on what we might learn from him about the Saints but that always sounds better than it pans out.
So I added Rex Grossman. Like Delhomme he's just looking ot get back to the SB somehow and I think he might play a key part down the stretch...'stretch' being the key word. Still overall not feeling good about our options.
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I like your list.. here's my top 5
1. Batch
2. Clemmons
3. Kitna
4. Boller
5. Losman
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by James The Aussie on Mar 6, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions
Ut oh...might need to remove Clemmons
Eric Allen, of NewYorkJets.com, reports the New York Jets assigned an original-round tender offer to restricted free-agent QB Kellen Clemens. He was drafted in the second round but since the Jets have tendered players second-round offers, they would receive only a third-round draft choice if Clemens signed with another team.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/player/13471/NFL#ixzz0hQRqWJgm
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Not worth a 3rd rounder. Pretty low of the Jets in my opinion.
They have no plans to let the kid compete with Sanchez, and tendering him at the 3rd round level means he wont get a look from many teams. Tendered at a 4th, or 5th… maybe… but now you’re essentially asking a team to spend what the Ravens spent to bring Anquan Boldin to Baltimore.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 6, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I like him
Chris Redman is high on my radar too… he was pretty solid when needed for Atlanta
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by James The Aussie on Mar 6, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
ATL already re-signed him per the list I'm looking at
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by James The Aussie on Mar 6, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...not crazy about him
but he has starting experience was the thinking
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i dont think we need a fa qb
id bing mccown back if anything. but if matty goes down we are screwed anyway. its not like jon kitna could lead us to the big show. or any of these fa prospects.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
What about Derek Anderson
if the Browns release him which i have heard rumours about. Probably want too much money and to be the starter like Kyle Boller
I think it would be dangerous.
The organization seem non committal as is regarding Moore being cemented as the starter. I don’t want a QB brought in who already has a relationship with Jeff Davidson and Rip Scherer
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by James The Aussie on Mar 6, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
good point
didnt think about the coaches
by jojoisthemann on Mar 6, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Holy cow, I forgot about Garcia, Probably not the same caliber of “mentor type” that Jake would have been as our #2, but still a gutsy team oriented guy that could come in and and assume a leadership role at a moments notice. If he’s down for the gig and the price is right, I would sign the man.
I like Garcia
I remember what he did a few years back in Philly when McNabb went down with his 800th injury. He would be a good fit, but I don’t know if he would come in and welcome the notion of being a backup, but if he were cool with that, I’d say sign him.
Draft Gilyard!
I'll never forget what he did in the backup role that season
I was never a Garcia fan before that, but he’s one of the toughest SOB’s I’ve ever seen play the QB position. He single handedly saved a lost season and almost took them to a Superbowl.
Wasn't that the year they lost to the Saints in the playoffs?
I think it was, but I’m not 100% positive.
Draft Gilyard!
Yes, and it was a great game, Garcia was incredible....it ended like this.....
3 points down, the Eagles drive down just inside the NO 40yd line with about 2 minutes left and on 4th down Andy Reid decides to punt and the Eagles never see the ball again.
Amazing how just about every Eagles screw up can be attributed to Reid.
I still believe he has pics of Jeffrey Lurie in a compromising situation – there’s no other explanation as to why he still has his job.
Draft Gilyard!
davidson
was davidson the OC in cleveland when Garcia went there and stunk it up. Garcia is a great leader, a winner and very accurate, but his arm strength isn’t there. he’s a good west coast offense guy, but i don’t see him succeeding in carolina. i like kitna the best. he was in seattle and the starter, then mentored hasslebeck. then he went to cincy and was playing okay. he mentored carson palmer. then he went to detroit and had two or three 4,000 yd seasons while leading the league in sacks because the OL sucked so bad. he mentored drew stanton to somewhat decent back-up status. he’s a team guy who helped Romo improve his game last year. I think we should bring him in. If Moore went down, Kitna could manage the game. He’s not gonna work any magic for a great win, but he can handle handing the ball off to double trouble.
Kitna's also a good character guy
So he would fit in with the Richardson mold. Not a bad option if you ask me.
I’d be happy with either Garcia, Kitna, or McCown as the backup.
Draft Gilyard!
Interesting point...
I was not aware of Garcia’s history with Davidson, but I was aware that Garcia was ineffective in Cleveland. Good info there!
Garcia can’t play outside of a West Coast offense… and he’s poison.
If the Raiders release you for being a distraction you must not be doing something right.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 6, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
poison????
I thought he asked to be released, because he wanted to compete for the starting spot.
OK…. but then again I guess you could consider that a distraction if your considering whether to bring the guy in as your back up. I do want to add, based on what I’ve seen, Garcia has a really quick release and a better verticle game than most give him credit for.
Garcia can’t handle holding a clipboard. I understand having confidence in your own ability, but he takes it to a new level.
Garcia is definitely skilled still… I just don’t think he fits in with what the Carolina Panthers are looking to do.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 7, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
well maybe
he can’t handle backing up someone who sucks. he wasn’t a distraction in philly backing up mcnabb, but i think backing up russell is difficult because he is so horrible.
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i heard the redskins signed him, or are looking at him,
Not sure I trust a Falcons fan when asking us to sign Grossman.
One of my best friends is a huge Chicago fan and I got to watch Grossman play frequently, I would rather have a 5th round rookie QB as our back up than Grossman. G-man is an idiot on the field.
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I'd say resign McCown
If all we’re looking for is a backup QB, why not get one who is familiar with the playbook, philosophy, and coaching staff?
Draft Gilyard!
Great reasoning there
Those are very good reasons to consider McCown although he wouldn’t be at the top of my personal list.
JEFF GARCIA
I would have liked to see garcia instead of feeley when we had a chance to sign him.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 6, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
What's up doc!
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I wouldn't want anyone mentioned.
Except for maybe Garcia they’ve all either played at least a couple of seasons and were well below average qbs, or have not shined in limited playing time. Grossman is awful. I can’t believe he was compared to Delhomme (last year excluded). When Chicago won, it was despite him, not due to him. Wonder if Testaverde could be tempted out of retirement to hold a clipboard. Hmm, any good vets in the CFL?
NO GARCIA
Garcia always wants to start and I don’t want that here. Plus he is a west coast offense qb, not a run-first like what we run. this is not a good match for us.
Always wanting to start is actually not a bad trait for QB whether he back up or starter. When Garcia came in for McNabb, the Eagles switched their scheme and relied heavily on the run and Westbrook. As far as bringing in a back up QB that can win games, I like Garcia.
When I posted previously I didnt realize how much he wanted to be a starter. I agree that would not be a great thing for next year, even though the compettition could push Moore to be even better(I think he is going to be awsome next year). I also agree that we dont need a WC QB to run our O, but I do think that we greatly underutilize the short to intermediate passing game and if willing he could mentor Moore in that aspect. Im not a huge fan of McCown, but he does have experience here as previously stated…………..
wanting to start is in this situation
in oakland, garcia publicly said hewouldn’t mentor Jamarcus Russell. That is not the kind of attitude I want here. Garcia isn’t the right fit for Matt Moore starting.
by SouthernPanther on Mar 6, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but he was signed by Oakland under the premise he would compete for the starting jobb
it should be noted he had no problem with his role when he signed with Philly to back up Kolb when McNabb was injured last year. I’m willing to buy the arguement regarding his past history with Davidson in Cleveland and being a WC offense QB. But i think it’s an unfair rap to label him as some sort of attitude problem. Thats just not the case.
I agree...
His attitude stemmed from the raw deal he got in Oakland, it’s not an indicator of his attitude for his entire career.
Draft Gilyard!
I dunno paydirt… issues in Tampa, issues in Cleveland, issues in Oakland… the only place he seems not to have problems lately is Philadelphia.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 7, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
I hear you James....
and have to admit my experience with Garcia is limited to his time in Philly, but let me point out that Philly was the only case where he was explicitly signed to be a back-up and he fulfilled that role faithfully. I think the rap he’s getting here has more to with his competitiveness than a bad attitude.
I'd say re-up Mccown
and draft someone in the mid to late rounds. Garcia wouldn’t be terrible but he’s now 40. No way I’d ever want Brunell, he’s been done for 5 years. Batch and Grossman would be passable.
I'd like either McCown or Kitna
McCown has some starting experience, and Kitna is a reliable backup. Kitna could also mentor Moore.
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Vick?
Is it just me or are people forgetting about Michael Vick here? I mean the man said that he wanted to wear a Panthers uniform and we are just sitting around doing nothing about it. Vick is the type of player, no matter what his background may be, that can take us to the next level. We already have one of if not the best running game in the league and that is without any type of passing game. Vick is exactly the type of player we need, a qb with a strong arm who can throw the deep ball but also check down to shorter receivers and who can also by himself all the time in th world to let smitty get open not to mention that would give us three players capablw of rushing for over a 1000 yards. Anyway i think that our organization would be absolutely crazy if we didn’t go out and atleast make an attempt to get him.
by doubletrouble3428 on Mar 7, 2010 5:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Vick has established starting history and is a solid contributor in Philly. We could do a bit of QB by committee. Like many wildcats offenses or like the Eagles did, Vick and Moore could each get snaps every game. I’d give more than most for Vick, but let’s not clean house to get him. He wants to come here, and he’s better than elderly QBs like Kitna or Batch.
by chillicothe20 on Mar 7, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
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Vick has been tiresomely discussed/debated/argued here many, (maybe too) many times over. I think the consensus decision has been that we don’t want another RB, as mentioned by Scrantsj. Vick doesn’t have the accuracy to hit Smith deep, regardless if he has the arm and ability to bide time. I wouldn’t give up anything for Vick, I’d rather just draft Armanti late.
Unless, of course, we just convert Smith to a RB as well and completely discard passing altogether.
as far as accuracy goes,
jake was never known for his accuracy either. 9 times out of 10 jake was just throwing up a prayer and smitty was going to get it making some ridiculous catch.
by doubletrouble3428 on Mar 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes..
But Vick’s best season as a starter is on above only Jakes worst (last season), statistically.
numbers can be skewed...
granted vick may have not thrown for that many yards or touchdowns, but look at the difference in the level of talent surrounding the two. Vick has never been on a team with the type of running game that we have to open up the passing game nor has he had a playmaker like steve smith. In fact vicks number one target in that stretch in atlanta was his TE crumpler
by doubletrouble3428 on Mar 7, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
- Warrick Dunn had three consecutive 1,000 yard seasons while on the Falcons with Vick. Any 1,000 yard back is more than enough to open up your passing game. Of course he didn’t have the rushing game the Panthers have… what the Panthers have has never existed in the NFL before. But when Delhomme went to the Pro Bowl we didn’t have a 1,000 yard back.
- Vick failed to use Roddy White two seasons he was in Atlanta, who’s since posted three consecutive 1,000 yard receiving seasons.
- Michael Jenkins has had his best three seasons as a pro since Vick left the Falcons.
The Falcons surrounded Vick with talent… he just never used it because he was consistently more concerned with making the play himself.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 7, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
The more I think about it
With what’s available, I say Moore → Cantwell → Draft. Cantwell has a year in the system. What’s to say that a vet who’s had little success in the league would be a better option. And should both go down, there has been some success with rookie starters in the league. Not much, but some. Put the training wheels on and hope the team responds.
I know theres alot folks that aren't high on Tebow...
but this AM I heard Mike Lombardi speculate that the he believes the Panthers are gonna take Tebow if he’s available. He said the Panthers have shown serious interest and Tebow had a really good interview with the Panthers FO. I know its all just speculation, but its interesting.
I still don’t think Tebow makes it past Jacksonville at 11.
They don’t need him… but they do need to sell tickets, and Tebow will sell them
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by James The Aussie on Mar 7, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure I want a QB who charges $160 for an autograph before he throws an NFL pass.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tsn-wantatimtebowautogra&prov=tsn&type=lgns
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We need 2 QBs
A FA back-up and a draft pick to compete with Cantwell
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Just A Thought
Jim Sorgi (former backup in Indy) as a FA QB pickup?
by 703carolinapantherfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:42 PM EST reply actions
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