Here's why the Panthers should trade for our #2 WR
by southtunnel on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM EST
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Pro Football Talk makes it blatantly obvious why attempting to draft a WR even in the 1st round is very risky.
The logic applies to all positions. Why take a chance on a rookie who might never become anything other than a guy who once was a great college football player? If the goal is to use the draft pick to get a good player, it makes more sense to use the draft pick on a player that we already know will be good.
The argument gets stronger for teams picking lower in a given round. If Colts president Bill Polian thinks his offensive line needs an upgrade, he should present an offer sheet to Chargers left tackle Marcus McNeill. Polian would get a quality linemen in exchange for the 31st and 93rd picks in the annual NFL crapshoot.
Since we have no 1st round pick, we'd either have to use future picks or trade a player where we have an abundance of talent. Of course the Panther's don't seem to be showing any interest in competing for the top free agents. And with the few unrestricted free agents available, a trade is looking more like our only option for acquiring proven talent.
However, Hurney certainly made it sound like there would not be any FA splashes at all this off season. And their lack of interest sure does make it appear that way so far. But then again Hurney also made it sound like Jake was still favored to be our 2010 QB, and we all see how that turned out. I'm not sure we can trust anything he says to the media. And I'm not sure Richardson hasn't taken control of things this year, strictly for financial purposes.
WFNZ reported yesterday that after the recent cuts the team currently has only 9 players on the roster who make over one million per year salary. That seems extremely low to me. It is starting to look more and more like we need to buckle down for a year of rebuilding, and letting young, inexperienced guys learn first hand how to be NFL starters.
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the more i think about it
The more I think we will be rebuilding in 2010. If we wanted to be unstoppable we could make a hard push for brandon marshall. And I don’t care bout his attitude. Steve smith has a attitude. But that tandem couldn’t be stopped. Not with double trouble in the backfield. They can not put 8 in the box! So then they can’t stop the run. Lil pa and game over.
But I highly doubt we would make a brilliant obvious move like that. So now we have to look to the draft. And then we will need to trade up to grab a golden tate or something like that. But now I think we should trade up for a good talented pass rusher. Pierre paul did bad on the bench so maybe he drops a lot. The wr needs to be addressed with talent/speed. This is a big problem. Its the only thing holding this offense back in my eyes.
Now the defense I have a feeling will be just fine and dandy. As long as we pick up a skilled pass rusher. Either draft or fa. This needs to be filled or things will be tough on our secondary. And if we lose marshall then we have a big problem. Hopefully they have something up their sleeves with all this nonsense.
So to conclude…if we pick up a good wr and a good pass rushing de then we can win the division in 2010…if we fail to fill these voids with players who can contribute immediately, then we shall be picking high in 2011.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Mar 6, 2010 11:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i forgot though
We have Hilee Taylor. Maybe he has impressed Meeks. He has the build and the speed. If thy didn’t want him they could have cut him by now. He wasn’t on the active roster at all last season. But we had 4 DEs active every game. So maybe he has shown enough to the coaching staff that they keep him here.
So that makes WR my biggest need. This year will be harder for Matt Moore. He needs another option.
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by STEVEN 785 on Mar 6, 2010 11:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think D-line is more crucial
None of us have a clue who our starting DTs are. And our DE’s are still VERY green.
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I've been yodeling this from the mountaintop
for months now, nobody seems to want to hear it.
Do or do not. There is no try.
fantasy is more fun than reality
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to tell you the truth
I feel really comfortable with the line the way I see it now. I think Leonard is going to be good for us. He is going to be in the 2 gap. But he has the athletic ability to get to the QB and collapse the pocket. Tank Tyler is strong as an ox and also has some mobility. I see these 2 as an upgrade over Kemo and Lewis.
We could use a run stopper/ pass rusher on the edge. But maybe Brown puts on weight and can be an every down end. I’m assuming that he does or the panthers find someone to fill that roll. But on obvious passing down I think we have the guys to get to the QB. Hilee Taylor I think can get the job done. But there’s some projects in the latter rounds that we can pick up.
But either way we won’t go into the season with this un resolved. Furney is aware of this issue as they are aware of the need at WR. And our schedule is easy man like friggin cake. 10 wins shouldn’t be an issue. And I’m thinkin of going with who we have now and it should be cake. Anyone we add at this point will be a plus.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Mar 12, 2010 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So why didn't these guys become starters, when it was there for the taking due to all the injuries
We had a friggin grandpa DT starting.
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Yeah Lets not forget that Hollis Thomas had just been cut from the Rams.
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Well, he played well
But I was hoping for an upgrade at that position. And it looks like at least last year the coaches thought Thomas was the best we had.
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he certainly did
I am still holding out hope for an upgrade at nose tackle. We saw what an enormous (pun clearly intended) difference Hollis made in our run-defense. In the first three weeks of the season, we were DFL in defending the run, and not coincidentally 0-3.
If we assume what we have now at DT is going to be leaps and bounds above what we had in those first few weeks last season, there is a strong possibility we could end up close to the bottom in run defense again this year.
I like Louis Leonard a lot, and considering we put a second round tender on him, apparently management does too. I like Tank Tyler as the first guy off the bench, so this leaves us, IMO, a starting caliber DT short. Since Leonard could play the nose, or the 3-technique, we have flexibility as to whether our hopeful acquisition is a nose or the ‘under.’ Fortunately we can draft the best available DT, regardless of body type, in hopes of solidifying our interior.
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3 of the guys we have going forward were hurt.
Leonard and Irvin early and Tyler shortly after we picked him up.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Leonard would have been
but he got hurt. Same with Tyler. Our only healthy guys were Thomas, Lewis, and Hayden.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 13, 2010 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
they did
They got hurt
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by STEVEN 785 on Mar 13, 2010 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jarrett's do or die time
Jarrett and Moore showed some nice chemistry. Hopefully Jarrett will come alive this year and things won’t be as bad as they seem. Jarrett is going to have a ton of chances. Hopefully letting Moose go won’t kill us too much (assuming he is gone).
It will also be interesting to see what Moore can do with a lot of reps. He might develop into a nice little slot receiver.
Moose is still an UDFA
It’s seriously looking like Jarett’s going to be our #2, leaving Kenny Moore #3. Wow! And to think we could have had Boldin dirt cheap, but nobody even took a look.
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I think it has been mentioned before
But while Boldin would have been a cheap trade, as our #2 receiver he would have been making more than Smitty. Would we have given Smith a raise after signing Boldin to make that even out? The way this off season is going, I don’t think so.
BTW, I am not saying I wouldn’t have loved to see Boldin in blue and black. I just think the front office is going to go young with our other WR. Maybe Smitty will lay down the Rules and Regulations on who the next WR we draft will be.
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I would have traded for Boldin too.
The actual trade value was “dirt cheap”, but don’t forget the 28 mill for the new contract.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post ST...you got my Rec
The key reasoning from the linked post:
The logic applies to all positions. Why take a chance on a rookie who might never become anything other than a guy who once was a great college football player? If the goal is to use the draft pick to get a good player, it makes more sense to use the draft pick on a player that we already know will be good.
It makes sense, if only we had a 1st round pick. Would you give up a 1st and 3rd for Miles Austin? He seems worth it, just what we need opposite Smitty. Or just a 1st for B Marshall? Compelling argument
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how about a 3rd and 4th for Boldin
i wouldnt have minded the panthers giving that up for him….. good post btw.
i was all about Boldin too.
Tough as nails, good character guy. I think the Panthers would have given up the 3rd and 4th to get him but I think their caveat was probably the money he wanted. The Ravens are paying him 7mil a year. Smitty made 5.5mil last year (roughly). I don’t think the Panthers are looking to spend that much.
yea but they would rather pay peppers 18+ million…..
by saltinedeluxe on Mar 6, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
true
i still wouldn’t of minded them paying him that, him and smitty, with d-will and stew in the backfield would be sick…
by saltinedeluxe on Mar 6, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
it wouldn't be fair to Smitty though
he’s been the guy for 9yrs. and then we bring in a #2 that makes 1mil+ more per yr. It could create a problem.
The same problem the Cards started whrn they paid Fitz so much that Boldin wanted out.
After a while, it turns into a long dick contest.
Boldin was traded to Baltimore
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I agree with the philosphy to a point...
While trading picks for proven vets is sometimes a safer investment, considering the average career in the NFL is what, 4 or 5 years, if a receiver is 28, he may have 2-4 years at his physical peak, whereas a 21 year old rookie will have a decade. Also, teams want to groom guys, and install their football philosophies from the get go. These are just two of the many reasons you don’t see every team throwing 1st rounders around.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Assuming you can groom guys
We have not been able to groom a WR since Foxy took over.
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Yes
Speaking more for any position really. Furney’s track record drafting WRs has been atrocious at best.
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I'd have to say that they groomed Smitty
After all, he was entering his second year in the league when Fox took over, but he is the lone exception, and its doubtful he would ever have been a panther if he stayed at Utah another year.
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Jarrett is officially groomed, and he cleans up real nice.
He will make his mark this year. Wait and see. The N.O. game was his coming out party.
by bigdavis on Mar 8, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Jarrett will be the #2 next season not only on the depth chart but in the stats as well.
Thats because there's nobody behind him
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by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, I give up
What does Bacano mean in Spanish? The Skeptic?
the dude...i think
its Portuguese actually…per google
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 12, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
You got it!
But it’s sort of S. American slang, so I doubt it will show up in translation.
Here’s an off-subject, interesting tidbit: In S. American Spanish, they have slang words, but there is no word that means “slang”. Makes for a confusing conversation.
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Now that we've made such a big deal of it
I’m feeling a bit arrogant for using it. Thanks!
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Jacoby Ford
look like a good pick in the 2nd if the Raiders don’t get to him first, they have a thing for drafting the fastest players first..
He has good hands, solid route running and good size for a replacement for Moose
btw he ran a 4.28 40
I'd love that
I don’t think he’ll last though. He’s getting a lot of hype from analysts.
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Not sure if this is what he meant, but scouts say that he is very solid.
One scout said (paraphrased), he is a track guy built like a football player not a track guy.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been dreaming of a WR core which includes:
1. Same ol’ Smitty
2. a productive Jarrett at 6’4"
3. Jacoby Ford killin teams in the slot a la Welker
That with our TE’s and a decent ;-) running game would do some damage.
However, 1 of the WR is not on our roster (yet) and the other has BARELY shown a glimpse of production.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Mar 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
How would you like to trade for Michael Jenkins?
He’s big and he blocks well!
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by ERL on Mar 9, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Of vodka?
Absolutely!
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“If Colts president Bill Polian thinks his offensive line needs an upgrade, he should present an offer sheet to Chargers left tackle Marcus McNeill. Polian would get a quality linemen in exchange for the 31st and 93rd picks in the annual NFL crapshoot.”
It’s only a crapshoot if your personnel department is garbage/not doing their homework. There are plenty of sure-things I see get passed up for guys that have the P word (potential), or pass the eyeball test.
Do or do not. There is no try.
The one thing draft picks have that FA’s don’t have, is the ability to contribute for 10+ years and be the cornerstone of your team.
I agree
I agree with you ERL, imagine right now if we were the Browns! Nice draft last year, a whole lot of those “potential” players getting picked, they wasted two second rounders on players that didn’t perform. The Clowns passed on Oher, Maualuga, our own Everette Brown, Byrd, Sean Smith, Beatty, and so many others. I won’t even mention the Raiders stupidity.
I say draft the right receiver, you know, the ones that tore it up in college. Don’t draft the guy that didn’t reach his potential because he wasn’t motivated enough, ran a fast 40 at the combine or whatever else they tell themselves before drafting a bust. You get the right guy more often than not by drafting on performance.
Yeah scratch my last comment on Jacoby Ford's size..
What’s Jordan Shipley’s draft projection? he seems like a solid posession reciever
and we could probably take Riley Cooper in the 5th or 6th round, he was one of the best blocking WRs in college even though he drops too many long passes.
We are going to draft our #2 WR in second round
I hope and pray we take B. Lafell of LSU I just believe and from what I have seen as well he looks, acts, and play like a young Moose. If not Lafell than Gilyard from cincy should be right their for the taking as well and we could still grab a Willie Young or G. Hardy (depth DE pick in the third round).
No way we pick a QB until sixth round and I hopeful about Tim Hiller from W. Mich; guy is tall and played at a smaller school against low level competition and could be groomed as a eventual starter at QB.
In 4th round A. Edwards or J. Ford is fine and both should still be on the board however 3rd round more than likely is going to be a DE for us.
Go Cats.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 10, 2010 7:04 PM EST reply actions
Andre Roberts
is great value – I think he should be the first WR we pick (3rd round?). It would be great if we used one of our late round picks on Eric Decker too.
We don't need Gilyard
He’s not the kind of receiver we’re looking for
Anyways he’s projected to go early 2nd round.
Tony Pike 3rd round? anyone?
Why is he not?
Why don’t we need a WR who has great hands, quickness in route running, and can return kicks?
Please, tell me why we don’t need him.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
He's Tiny
I’d love to have hi but he’s not the receiver the Panthers are looking for to replace Moose
We have Jarret to replace Moose
And he is slight, not tiny. But then again so is Desean Jackson…….
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Jarret is unproven
He had one decent game, and it was against the Saints backup defense
Sure,he can catch but he’s lazy and doesn’t run good routes
He's 5'10"
So yeah – he’s a real giant there.
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What are you talking about??
Jarrett is 6’4", 220, and takes a hit and shrugs it off.
Were you comparing Jackson to HIM, or to somebody else?
Look at his tape from the final few games
In the past, no doubt he was lazy. But I saw him getting open deep throughout much of the final few weeks of the season. And he has GREAT hands. Give him a shot, we’re drafting a wideout anyways.
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Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 13, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
That one game...
is more than we’ve seen any draft pick play in the NFL. Moore will target Jarrett this season.
I would like a speedy WR who cna return kicks
but I think the Panthers will go defense with their 1st pick and hope a good WR slides to the 3rd
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Our receivng corp
is not as bad as people are making it out to be. A couple of smart selections in the mid round and late round would be sufficient to add some depth and create greater competition in the roster. Both Rosario and Barnidge can be options passing game. Kenny Moore and Dwayne Jarret looked serviceable by the end of the season.
I think I agree that they will look for someone who can contribute in the return game. Andre Roberts is on my wish list – he is underrated because he is from a small school but he looks like the most polished route runner of the lot this year. He is likely to contribute immediately in our passing game.
Anyway it appears that drafting BPA would be part of the strategy as we would be primarily looking to add depth apart from a WR. I am sure they have not locked down any of the rounds for a particular position.
I like Roberts a lot too
He could be a solid #2 guy
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