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The end of an era: Panthers cut Jake Delhomme

First reported by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports and since verified by Darin Gantt and the rest of the sports world; tonight the Carolina Panthers made a tough decision and cut QB Jake Delhomme who has been the team's starter since 2003.

It appears that the move was more practical than symbolic. The organization took advantage of the lack of a CBA for 2010 to cut Delhomme and only be responsible for the $13 million or so remaining on his contract, rather than taking a salary cap hit in subsequent years.

Though there is no indication whether this split was amicable, or expected,one thing is for sure; it's the end of an era.

More after the jump

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There was little denying that Delhomme's performance slipped greatly during the 2009 season, where he posted career lows in yards as a starter, completion percentage, QB rating and touchdowns, while posting highs in interceptions before being placed on injure reserve with a broken finger. It was evident that Delhomme may not retain the starting job in 2010, but wholly surprising that the team cut ties with him tonight.

The charge was often leveled at the coaching staff and front office that they pandered to Delhomme, giving him preferential treatment and refusing to pull him when needed. Justification for these moves ranged from believing coach John Fox had an unnatural level of trust in Delhomme, to claims that Jake was dating his daughter- one of the most prolific fallacies in Carolina sports.

One area that can't be disputed, however, was Delhomme's success as a quarterback. Leading the Panthers to an NFC Championship and Superbowl appearance in 2003 and an NFC Championship appearance in 2005. A lot of the Panthers' success during this time could be attributed to Delhomme's leadership on the offensive side of the ball, and an unnatural ability to lead game winning drives.

There currently isn't any information on what happens to Delhomme next. He is now a free agent and could sign with another team, he could also retire. Regardless of what happens next his number seventeen jersey definitely deserves to be retired as Delhomme takes his place in the annals of Panther greats.

The Carolina Panthers now look towards the future with Matt Moore. Moore ended the 2009 season in a dramatic and successful fashion and GM Marty Hurney had previously stated there would be an open competition for the starting job for the 2010 season. With only Matt Moore and practice squad QB Hunter Cantwell under contract the Panthers definitely figure to be looking for a quarterback either through free agency, or through the draft.

For now though the Panther nation is in shock. Whether fans are struck with dismay, or elation the Panthers have now lost their two most polarizing figured in less than two weeks and a new era of Carolina Panther football is on the horizon.

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Who is this Panther team we speak of?

I barely recognize them

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 4, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah Its True when you think about it

Next year is going to be the first year where I truly feel like a new era has arrived. i hope its just as good or better than the prior.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll still be a run first offense

So that part will look the same. I bet other than the d-line, our defense stays pretty identical. No need to tinker with the DBs or LBs.

But just having a new QB, and hopefully a new #2 WR would be huge!

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

If there's no need to tinker with the DBs...

Why did we give a starting corner a tender that begs teams to take him from us?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Before answering, I'm curious why this reply is in the form of a question?

Because you sincerely don’t know, or because you are being derogatory?

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

To answer that question

we’re letting the market set the value.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You are talking about Marshall?

He has a second round tender. How is that “begging” teams to take him?

You have fallen off the bus lately. You are making crazy statements like this just to try to agitate people. Why don’t you get over the Delhomme cut, man up, and start talking real football again?

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by southtunnel on Mar 6, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Gantt just reported that they just cut STEVE SMITH!!!!

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by southtunnel on Mar 4, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

Nice try ST… almost gave me a figgin’ heart attack

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by James Dator on Mar 4, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol... sorry, it seemed appropriate

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by southtunnel on Mar 4, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

AT ALL

You’re lucky I don’t flag that post!

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I just about had a haet attack!

And I’m 11!0_o

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by chinchillas sword on Mar 6, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

His contract extension

will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the Hurney era.

That actually speaks fairly well of Hurney and the FO’s decision making, though.

by the bomb dot com on Mar 4, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

Without the contract extension, we couldn't have paid 53 players for the roster last year.

Blame Peppers, not Hurney.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

In Peppers’ defense, he didn’t force Hurney to sign him. If it were up to Peppers, he would have never played on the team last year.

by pancanbra on Mar 5, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

true statement

jake took a pay cut for 2009, and let’s be honest…did anyone expect jake to have the kind of year that he did? i didn’t. i expected another average 82-85 qb rating year which is good enough to get us another 12 win season. but it didn’t happen.

by usana_gaines on Mar 5, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

That extension actually saved cap space. And who would have thought Delhomme would regress as he did?

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It depends whether you respect Jake or not

If you respect him, you understand why they made the new contract, because they wanted to give him another shot and were in DESPERATE need of more cap space.

But if you hate him, you probably think when they needed cap space they should have just cut him outright.

You could argue in the middle of the two, saying they should have resigned him but for less money, but remember Delhommes agent had a ton of leverage knowing how desperate Carolina was and how loyal Fox was.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I disagree

the uneducated fan (read someone who doesn’t read this blog) says rar rar rawr, WHY DID WE GIVE JAKE SO MUCH MONEY… but really he was already owed a good amount of money and we extended it and lessened our cap hit for last year to make up for the huge peppers salary…

To me NOW it looks like a genius move! They got more cap space for last year, and if jake turned into a SB QB they had him locked up long term… and if he didn’t they could cut that huge salary and not affect their cap at all b/c of the uncapped season… sounds like it worked out for us…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't know but.....

I bet this means we are going after someone in free agency. Maybe a big time WR? How about Bolden, Marshall maybe? I think it’s going to be an interesting offseason.

by Lawboy987 on Mar 4, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Boldin crossed my mind too.

thats two moves on the eve of free agency, they gotta be going after someone.

by John Chilton on Mar 4, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather have Bolden, but that would mean a trade AND paying him big bucks.

Marshall has attitude issues. I am also worried about signing Antonio Bryant for the same reasons.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Mar 4, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep it would

But with Peppers and Delhomme gone they have freed up quite a bit…

by Lawboy987 on Mar 4, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If I had to guess McCown is retained

He’s younger, cheaper, and has starters experience. A late round rookie will also likely be brought in.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

right

I was wondering if we still had him, seems like the cheap vet alternative we need, and he already knows the system unlike other options being mentioned…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

We won’t need another QB for the next 20 years, with the great Matt Moore at the helm.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

One things for sure

After being behind a guy who had 30 turn overs in 12 games, and who was at the bottom of the QB list in practically every statistical category… Moore has nowhere to go but up. Jake is the best thing that ever happened to Moore.

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Marshall got tendered, a 1st and 3rd I think

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by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Jaxon

From your own article the front page..


Cornerback Richard Marshall received the second-round level tender per an ESPN report. That means a one-year, $1.759 million offer from the Panthers. He can still shop for another offer, and the Panthers would have seven days to match. If they don’t, they’d get a second-round pick as compensation.

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe Jaxon is referring to Brandon Marshall, the Broncos WR who was tendered at the 1st and 3rd round level.

He was responding to WillParker81’s post saying:

We need a vet as #2 now.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

oh you're right

my bad… a vet #2 receiver not #2 Qb…
nvm, carry on!

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

B Marshall was just tendered as a 1st

I remember this from last night b/c I was watching NFL Network and the analyst on there said they may as well put a sign up that said “Marshall for sale”

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 5, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Antonio Bryant or Kevin Walter

They are the only 2 UFA WRs who could make a splash. Bryant being the more talented of the 2, is more of what we need… But Walter being young and lower maintenance, might be more logical.

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing about Kevin Walter says "splash."

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say big splash

But there’s not much to work without there… Unless you’d like to experiment with TO. Please tell me you don’t!

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He screams "Carolina signee"

He’s exactly the type of guy we like to sign.

Has Malcolm Floyd been tendered yet?

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Except

We need a quick guy who can help Smitty stretch the field

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by southtunnel on Mar 6, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why there's a draft.

Anyways, Walter re-signed with the Texans, Chris Chambers anyone?

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 7, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Bout friggin time.....

Cut the fat, it’s the right time with the uncapped year it just makes sense, no point allowing him to tie up that much money next year and moving forward when there will be a cap. I just wonder who made the final decision.

by Lawboy987 on Mar 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Kemoeatu wasn't owed as much.

He might stick around.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Damione Lews, Maake Kemoeautu and Jake Delhomme were all cut yesterday

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

thanks james, I heard about jake and kemo… guess between those 2 lewis didn’t make Sports center headlines…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow...

Never expected this… but I understand from a business standpoint.

Looks like Matty gets the keys to the car after all.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 4, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

They put a high tender on him

So it’s definitely looking that way. There seems to be a buzz about bringing Pennington in.

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He is accurate no doubt

But man… talk about injury problems.

by Tater596 on Mar 5, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

As a backup though he'd be great

Smart veteran guy that can help Moore develop, and if needed step in with probably little drop off. I like it more the more I think about it.

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Pennington as a backup

He is a good QB, even though his biggest problem is health.

But as a mentor to Moore – bring him in.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 5, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Moore doesn't NEED any help!

He already knows everything there is to know about the QB position in the NFL. Look at how awesome he was last year!

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you a fan of this team?

Okay you must be waiting for Jake to sign with a new team before know who you’ll pull for.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that's all a delusion

He only appears to “know everything” because the standard last year was set so low by Delhomme.

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank God Almighty!!!

God does exist, because Jake is no longer a Panther! Hallelujah! No more 6 turnover performances to endure!!!

by Hollywood2311 on Mar 4, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Jake was an awesome Panther

Just knda lost it as a QB. But I am not sure this validates the existence of god.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 5, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure it does.

God knows that Moore is his chosen quarterback.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not God

But Richardson, Hurney, and Fox. But your opinion should trump theirs, for sure.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think Jake will ever start again in this league?

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

nobody would want him for that at this time…but there are teams who have had qb problems for years, and might take a look after the draft if they don’t get who they want.

by usana_gaines on Mar 6, 2010 5:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I don’t think has really settled in yet, i never though they’d actually do it…

by SouthernPanther on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

per Darin Gantt's twitter

“It’ll be hours before I sleep, but make no mistake, tomorrow’s a new day in the history of the Panthers franchise. The identity has changed.”

by John Chilton on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

very sad..

what could have been of the 07 season if his arm help up.. 3 games 8 tds 1 int. fucking tommy john shit ruined everything. he couldn’t get his range back and last season was sad to watch for the first half :(

by ieatcrayons on Mar 4, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Farwell Jake

Love him, or lost faith in him, Jake Delhomme, always has been a nice guy and for even getting us so close to that Superbowl dream in Carolina, he sure does need to have his jersey retired from Panther’s.

Indeed, we are moving on to a new chapter of the Carolina Panthers

by me here on Mar 4, 2010 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

No way.

Now that he’s not on the roster, string him up and hang him at Mint and Trade. It’s what the “fans” of this franchise have wanted for years.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, not at all.

I think a lot of us just wanted to see new blood throwing the ball. My wife and I have multiple Jake Jerseys, including a SB jersey that we can thank Jake for leading us to. MP, I am sorry your favorite player was cut. It sucks man, it really does.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 5, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, my feelings aren't hurt.

I’m glad people got what they wanted.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Good luck Jake

He was our guy for a long time and he should walk out with his head held high. He will be missed but its time we hand the reigns over to Moore now

by pantherpride on Mar 4, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

i sure hope not

vick in carolina would be a disaster

by SouthernPanther on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He's better than Moore/Cantwell

plus a 3rd round draft pick QB wont be starter material

by chillicothe20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

No he's not.

What has he done since, say, 2005? Surely you don’t think he’s better now than he was then.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Better than Cantwell

But not Moore.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Are we really deluded enough to have Moore as the starter?

We could contend with a decent QB…with Moore starting out the gate, we’d go 6-10, unless we run the ball 95% of the time.

by chillicothe20 on Mar 6, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you really deluded enough to believe that?

Did you watch Moore’s final few games? Unless he completely changes something in his mechanics or mindset, there is no way we go 6-10. 8-8 I could believe, but not 6-10.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 7, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

8-8 is probably not in the playoffs

with a decent QB (either traded for or FA) we could contend. Maybe Moore would be better than I assume, but I would feel more comfortable with a established starter at the helm (but please no 70 yr olds with canes – like our brief Vinny Testaverde Era).

by chillicothe20 on Mar 7, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

And what "established starter" is available?

Teams aren’t always idiots like McDaniels last season. If your QB has shown some inkling of success, you hold on to him until he proves himself one way or the other. We can contend with Moore, 8-8 is our floor with him, and that is more worst case scenario if the D-line blows. I expect 10-6 to 11-5. With a Super Bowl ring.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 8, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I did NOT see this one coming

And I was all set for a QB battle come training camp. Oh well. As much as I hated the guy and screamed for his benching with every INT, I kind of feel bad for the way he went out. Worst season of your career, ending up on IR, and no shot at redemption. I wish him luck, but I’m ready for the Matt Moore era.

NOW LETS DRAFT MCCOY!

by Neilicus on Mar 4, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

Wow!

Honestly, my jaw dropped when CSR’s front page loaded. I NEVER expected them to out-right cut him. I figured we’d be right back watching Delhomme in the pre-season, while he battled it out with Moore.

Lewis and Delhomme gone now, next year is going to be so different. His jersey # should definitely be retired.. The Delhomme Era need be remembered as a great one. He gave us his all.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

mine too

Richardson you better not screw this up for me!

by STEVEN 785 on Mar 5, 2010 6:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think mine dropped

I was in shock though so I’m not sure.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

"And before anyone else asks -- no this does not mean the interest from Vick is mutual. Won't happen."

- Darin Gantt (via Twitter)

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Weinke succeeded in driving Vick away

Good job Weinke!

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Who cares?!

Vick sucks.

Watch, the Saints will sign Jake as a backup. Even Delhomme (who i respect but man was he bad last year) is an improvement over old as heck Mark Brunell, and Jake always played lights out at New Orleans.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

give that dog a treat!

by paydirt16 on Mar 5, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

I was very much looking forward to Moore starting and was frustrated with Delhomme as much as the next guy, but I didn’t expect this. I thought I would be relieved, but really I’m just sad. He was a good guy, and for a while, a truly great QB. I will always remember his heroics all the way back to that Jacksonville victory. I truly hope he’s happy where ever he ends up. Man.

by pancanbra on Mar 5, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

So what do you guys think they will do next?

Will they go after a WR in free agency, or will they go after Aaron Kampman to boost the defense?

I think they might lean towards Kampman, and address WR needs in the draft.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

Kampman is going to command too much in free agency. I don’t see the Panthers going after him.

Robert Mathis should be on all of our radars now. Mathis said tonight that he expects the Colts to release, him care to guess how long after that happens Ron Meeks approaches Fox/Hurney asking if they can get him?

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Mathis, but he’s REALLY small for a defensive end.

by bravesfan91 on Mar 5, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

People said the same thing about Freeney.

Meeks loves the light speedy guys.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Freeney is bigger that Mathis though, at least what they’re listed at. Obviously Mathis is doing something right though to put up the numbers that he has. Of course, I’m sure playing opposite Freeney hasn’t hurt either.

by bravesfan91 on Mar 5, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Not by as much as you might think:
- Freeney: 6’1", 268 lbs
- Mathis: 6’2", 245 lbs

For comparison:
- Everette Brown: 6’1", 256 lbs

I agree he’s a little on the small side… but maybe he’ll be able to flourish again in Meek’s system.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The only downside..

Is if we’re playing against, say, Roethlisberger, Brown would have to tackle one ankle while Mathis tackled the other, hopefully to hold him still long enough for someone else to come seal the deal.

Kidding. I would like that. I trust in Meeks.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 5, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Kampmann is old and has injury problems

In this diluted market, where the loser of the peppers sweep stakes goes after A Kamp, I’d rather NOT have to pay him 7 million or more per season. He’s 30 and blew out his knee, not to mention he had some concussion issues. We’ve had enough of those with Dan Morgan.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

23 pounds is a lot for a guy an inch taller.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't just love him.

He’s coached him to four 9+ sack seasons.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Very impressive.

We’re now paying the best QB on the team $12 million not to be on the roster. Hope ya’ll enjoy watching Moore choke on his own tongue the first time the team falls behind in the second half.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

All I can say is that clearly the organization no longer believed Delhomme was the best QB on the team, otherwise they wouldn’t have released hin.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Or they're pandering to the idiots who fill up this website and the stadium.

God knows we need to make the fans happy instead of worrying about winning games that matter. What will we do after Moore has another 50 rating in the preseason if he’s the best we have?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If that theory were true Procton then Delhomme would have been benched for the season after week one, and Peppers would be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.

It’s clutching at straws to think they cut him just to pander to the fans.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

It's clutching at straws to try to justify this move in any way, shape, or form.

We’re paying $12 million for a guy who’s not on the roster at all. A guy who very well could have been our starter come Week 1. But hey…I guess it’s been a while since we’ve had a shot at a high draft pick. It’ll be fun to care about the top prospects in the 2011 draft.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

$12 million in an uncapped season means nothing to any of us except Jerry Richardson.

The team save a drastic amount in future salary. There’s no denying that

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

C'mon man

I saw this and my third or forth thought sadly, was: “maybe MP might actually move on.” He was cut because it was deemed as the best decision for this team moving forward. Deal with it. You’ve said it yourself…"they go to all the practices, they sit in meeting rooms, etc. Just because they make a move you disagree with doesn’t mean you can blame your fellow fans that happen to have a differing opinion on what Jake offers this team. You were wrong in your assessment, over and over, about how they SHOULD feel about Matt Moore, obviously they are much higher on him than you thought, and then you’ll care to admit. And still you will not cease.

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by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

You seem a bit bitter at this Procton..

Not even willing to give Moore a chance to prove himself again… Still declaring Delhomme the best QB we have, despite the fact that he did exactly what you’re expecting Moore to do.. I know, I know, there’s some reason or another for everything that went wrong involving Delhomme.. Regardless, I don’t see why it’s so hard to show respect for Delhomme and also support a new era for the franchise.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 5, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobody's shown respect to Delhomme for the last five-plus years.

Why should I start now with Moore?

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why we have suggested his number be retired multiple times in this thread?

That’s why we refer to him as the greatest QB in Panthers history..

It’s not that we haven’t shown him respect, we just recognized that he wasn’t the same QB in 2009. If he comes back in 2010 and plays his best year yet, I suppose the Panthers F.O. can eat their choices?

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 5, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

People have "recognized" nothing but his flaws for years.

Every game that was lost was the fault of Delhomme, and every fourth-quarter comeback was the product of Steve Smith.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I guess I can't speak for people..

But I’ve personally felt the same as this article stated above..

“A lot of the Panthers’ success during this time could be attributed to Delhomme’s leadership on the offensive side of the ball, and an unnatural ability to lead game winning drives.”

It just wasn’t happening this year.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 5, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

D-ranged is right

Some fans want to crucify him, but other more level-headed ones recognize what he has done for us and acknowledge it. Delhomme is one of my favorite QB’s, but I still acknowledge he lost the magic this season.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

"People"

includes everyone other than yourself that happens to be a Panther fan. You have some misguided anger here, it appears.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll miss Delhomme

I wish he could downsize his contract so he could stay.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that might still be an option.

Wouldn’t bet on it though.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would he?

He’s already getting paid 12.7mil. He isn’t gonna downsize his bonus. Is he allowed to still be owed his bonus AND resign as a backup? Wouldn’t that override his prior deal? If he only cost us 1-2mil to stay as a backup then I’d be alright with that, as long as we’re able to offload that massive bonus for when (if) the cap returns.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No, it wouldn't change the money we've already paid him.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

idiots?

you’re the only idiot who thinks jake should be on the team. maybe you should explain to hurney and foxy how dumb they are, too. you got it all figured out. too bad you’re not the GM. poor panthers.

by usana_gaines on Mar 5, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

Jake should still be on the team. He just should not be starting.

I am VERY surprised we didn’t retain him as a backup.

by Tater596 on Mar 5, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I am too...

I figured they would at least keep him as a backup/mentor to Moore.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 5, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

no way

i think keeping him just in case and paying him four times as much as the starter is not good for the team. i think it’s best for the team if he’s gone, even though it’s not really a good business decision in the short term. richardson gets nothing in return for his money this season, but the debt is paid off, and we can move on as an organization. in the long run, it’s good business. in the short term, it’s good for the team.

by usana_gaines on Mar 5, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I would have liked to keep him as a backup

but this saves future money, so I can’t really complain.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:57 AM EST up reply actions  

And by the way...

The notion that we’re somehow now players in free agency is idiotic. We’re paying Delhomme three years worth of salary up front so he can not be on the roster. That doesn’t free up money.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I do agree with that

We aren’t suddenly players in free agency because of this cut

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

No idea what you're talking about, do you?

“He’d be owed $4.16 million in 2010, $5.12 million in 2011 and $3.4 million in 2012, with the contract written to guarantee those amounts for skill or injury.

It would, however, clear the books of his charges if a cap was re-instituted at a later date.

It also keeps them from paying the $10.14 million bonus he was set to receive later this spring — in effect breaking the financial hit into three smaller chunks.

— Darin Gantt and Charles Chandler"

by bigdavis on Mar 5, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

This

They let Pep walk, cut Lewis, Delhomme & Kemoatu on the eve of the free agency period. No…..nothing going on here.

by John Chilton on Mar 5, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

Cutting a player guarantees him immediate payment of all his owed money. You don’t get to defer bonuses unless the player is on the team.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are saying Darin Gantt doesn't know what he's talking about, then?

And if he doesn’t about this, then why should we believe anything else he said, when you’re constantly citing him as your main source of insightful inside information?

The quote I pasted above is a direct quote from Mr. Gantt, on Inside the Panthers, com.

by bigdavis on Mar 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't you see... Gantt's only insightful when he agrees with you

By criticizing the statements of guys that you previously quoted as experts, you acknowledge that you know more than an expert… Or at least you do in your own tiny little world.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

the money

You can’t defer guaranteed money, but the money Gantt was talking about, i think, is a roster bonus and other offseason bonuses that players earn. so the team still pays him that 12 mil or whatever, but it still saves money from all the other terms of the contract that totaled the 42 mil.

by usana_gaines on Mar 6, 2010 5:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would you defer it in an uncapped year?

That’s the point. Go ahead and pay them now when it doesn’t count against you.

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by southtunnel on Mar 6, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

True, it does lighten Richardson’s wallet by doing this move. However, Jerry could still be planning to spend close to the previous cap number, which would definitely make us players in FA. That being said, it looks like we’re headed towards a youth movement in Carolina.

by pancanbra on Mar 5, 2010 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

"We’re now paying the best QB on the team $12 million not to be on the roster."

Their records last year as starters would beg to differ who the best QB really is.

by pancanbra on Mar 5, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

We should also cut Jordan Gross and Thomas Davis. When they went down, we got much better.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow...Jaxon, please?

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Please, rest assured that the editorial staff monitor this blog and enforce the ToS on all members when needed.

In the future, please just flag a post you think is in the violation of the ToS, it’s much easier for us to see as moderators than a reply we may not see.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But Gross and Davis are good!

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL! Just admit you were wrong.

It’s human nature Procton. We all make mistakes. You’re no exception. We won’t think any less of you.

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

We might even think more of you.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:58 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the part he'll probably never understand

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by southtunnel on Mar 6, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The Panthers are confusing the heck out of me

They don’t franchise Peppers because its too expensive, leading me to believe they are wanting to “cut costs” in fear of an uncapped season. Then, we find out they actually tried to sign him to a 14mil per season deal, but failed. leading me to believe they ARE willing to pay big bucks. Then, they don’t resign Moore or especially Davis to a long term deal leading me to believe they are worried about the lockout, and they cut a bunch of players and even give a (what analysts believe to be) a low ball tender to marshall. Then they cut Delhomme paying him 12.7mil, which is great (though im sad) because we dont have the cap ramifications. SO… what the heck is it? Are they cutting players in fear of the lockout? If so, why did they offer Peppers a last ditch mega deal? There must have been a reason they cut those guys now rather than later in the offseason when most vets get cut. Maybe they are trying to make a splash. Then again maybe they just wanted to be able to afford the major Delhomme bonus hit. I jsut don’t get their plan!

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:02 AM EST reply actions  

I think it makes sense for the most part

Peppers was not worth franchising him at 20 million only to have to go through the same thing one year down the line – the distraction was huge. The only way of keeping him (and clearly they think he was totally worth keeping if they could) was to sign him

Tenders for Moore and Davis make perfect sense, they can match any offer that comes their way and most teams are going to thinking hard about making any offers even at that level.

Marshall has a low tender and this one I agree that it is difficult to make sense – maybe they have other plans and would like a second round pick.

I think it is combination of doing some rebuilding and keeping an eye on the lockout situation at the same time.

by pieterzen on Mar 5, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

well...
Then, they don’t resign Moore or especially Davis to a long term deal

more accurate would be they haven’t yet, still plenty of time to get it done though…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll understand their plan at the end of the offseason.

The old Panthers era of Delhomme and Peppers being the stars on either side of the ball is gone. I think this is what San Francisco fans felt like when Elway left. Good luck Jake, whereever you go, you were always one of my favorites to watch, you gave me many great memories. I will remember you not for your faults, but for your leadership, fire, and wins. #17 will always hold a special place in my heart.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:12 AM EST reply actions  

I think you either mean Denver or Montana/Young

Elway didn’t play for SF

I’m sure you know that and it’s a typo, but I’m just letting you know.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 5, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude Elway played for Denver LOL

So I dunno if the typo was san francisco or if you meant to say Montana. Either way, its not really the same comparison.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

When did John Elway play in San Francisco?

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, yeah, typo

But you guys get what I’m saying. It’s the end of an era.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

Don't retire his number though

He was the best we’ve ever had and all of that. yes, I agree. But he was still jsut Jake Delhomme. I always felt like he was the product of a chinese pirate company creating a knockoff of Brett Favre. Cheap as heck, and not nearly of the same quality lol.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

Personally I don't like retiring Numbers

Okay, MAYBE for a guy like John Elway who made the number 7 famous. But even then… what about in 75 years? What will we have like 30 numbers left? Cause if Delhomme can retire his number than you gotta retire Steve Smiths, and Muhsin Muhammeds… in the future maybe Beason, Deangelo. When would it stop?

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I somewhat take that back..

Retiring Sam Mills number was a good move. He was a face of the original franchise. You can retire one from that decade, because odds are in 50 years NOBODY will remember him so it makes it both a huge honor to mills and it is a way to forever solidify the memory of that era of Panthers football. Nobody would remember mills in fifty years, but when they wonder why nobody wears number 51… then they’ll remember. I just don’t want that to happen to every single likeable guy that comes along.

by Gamble20 on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's retire Peppers' number

oh wait…he is a selfish a$$h0le…nevermind

by SouthernPanther on Mar 5, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

There's that respect people are talking about!

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

MP, you diss Peppers all the time as well.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It sucks.

Both of them sucks.

You could never sign Peppers to settle down, and you could never pay Jake what he deserved. Now, you’ve given up on Julius, and cut Jake for money (and now backup status)

by Svedish Chef on Mar 5, 2010 3:00 AM EST reply actions  

Feels like a bad break up

He was bad, but I know I’ll miss him now that he’s gone

by Shockers on Mar 5, 2010 3:24 AM EST reply actions  

holy poop!

This wasn’t what I expected to read first thing this morning…I’m shocked! This is definately not what I wanted. Good job for thinking about the long haul but we really could have used him on the roster. I’m sad like really.

Richardson you better not screw this up for me!

by STEVEN 785 on Mar 5, 2010 7:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It's all about the future.

It’s all about clearing out the salary cap hell the Panthers would be in – even if the cap doesn’t shrink. They would be stuck like they have been the last few years, letting good players go because they had to defer others’ money from previous years.

I like Jake, but his elbow looks like it’s done. I think he’d do well with a clipboard. There really wasn’t much chance that he would be playing after next year, any way.

If there’s a time to take a super-critical eye, this is the year. On the Defensive side, I like walking away from Peppers, when he refused a high, but somewhat reasonable, long-term contract. Kemo was too much a risk to tie up longterm.

Young and cheap will be the word of the day.

by panthersnbraves on Mar 5, 2010 7:24 AM EST reply actions  

What are you talking about?

He was under contract for four more years, and there was no reason whatsoever to believe he wouldn’t play through them.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm somewhat stunned....

but in retrospect given the lack of CBA this season and Jake’s contract, I agree, that financially this is a sound move with the future in mind.
Best wishes & Good Luck to Jake.

by paydirt16 on Mar 5, 2010 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

Reasons for the Cuts

Overall this makes sense to me because:

We have to sign Beason and Davis and maybe a couple of others like Kalil or D. Williams to long term deals and need money to do that.

Saves money and puts us in good position when the new cap comes in after the bargaining is over.

Meeks likes lighter, quicker tackles than guys like Kemo. They must like Leonard, Johnson (now we know why they grabbed him) Tyler, Irvin, Hayden, and others and will likely draft a young tackle too.

Avoids 2nd guessing all year about QB. If Moore has a bad game, people will start liking Jake again and want him to take over. Maybe they like what they see in Cantwell more than us fans think. I liked Cantwell in the pre-season last year and think he can become a capable back-up.

I think the FO takes too much criticism and doesn’t get enough credit. They are not afraid to make the moves necessary to continue putting the Panthers in the top half of all NFL teams consistently. A couple of years ago, it was Keyshawn. This year it’s Jake, Kemo, and Lewis. I suspect S. Smith was consulted in some way on the Jake deal also.

I still don’t see anyone other than Bradford that is very impressive in the draft at QB. I think Jarret Brown from WVU could be developed into an NFL starter, but is 1-2 years away. I think they may pick up a cheap veteran like Feely and develop Cantwell as future backup and potential starter rather than draft a QB. They need to draft WR and DE and CB more.

Definitely a changing of the guard……………….

by magicman56 on Mar 5, 2010 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

This DOES NOT save us money!

We were already committed to that money, and now we’re paying it, just like we were always going to.

And by the way, don’t worry about Moore having a bad game. He’ll never have a bad game ever. Best QB to have ever existed.

And Feeley is signing with the Rams.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are you like 6 hours behind the action?

Thats the problem, you come in late and do nothing but cherry pick.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It saves us their salaries

Jake’s getting the guaranteed anyways. Why also pay him yearly salary to sit on the bench?

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It saves us space against the cap in future seasons.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 5:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Jake

I hate to see him go, but I understand this. I just want to say a quick thank you to Jake. I have been in Bank of America stadium for almost every game since the Panthers came here, and I will always remember that 2003 year as one of the defining moments of my sports fandom. 97 to 03 was a wasteland, and the last seven years have given us more winning then we every have had before. When he was healthy we made the playoffs. Yes he threw INTs, but he also won games. Thanks Jake, and I hope you find good luck in your football future.

by Garrettham on Mar 5, 2010 7:58 AM EST reply actions  

97-03 was a wastland that you slipped into an NFC title game?

by Svedish Chef on Mar 5, 2010 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

Title game was 96.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 5:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Jake is nothing but a Winner in my book

A solid winning record, numerous 4th quarter come from behind wins including his first game when he came off the bench to lead a comeback over the Vikes. As quickly as his star rose it fell a little over a year ago. It still won’t dent his image from my standpoint. Currently the best QB in Panther team history, hands down.

But is time to move on! We need Moore (pun intended)!

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by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2010 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

*

wasn’t his first win against the jags?

by SouthernPanther on Mar 5, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

I think it’s too early in the AM for jaxon’s memory to be functioning :-P

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

yes.. the jags...and it was early...that's my excuse anyway

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by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If I didn't know any better...

I would think a new Head Coach and FO were in town prepping the team for a rebuild. Wow Lewis and Delhomme cut in the same day. I hate to see Jake cut part of me will never be able to let go of his best years even with the misery of the Arizona playoff loss and the 2009 season. And Lewis seemed solid last season so wow the only one safe on the roster seems to be Smith and I’m starting to doubt that.

But don’t count on massive FA moves from the Panthers this offseason expect Randall El over Bolden type moves because the Panthers build through the draft with no first rounder its cheap talent and that seems to be the name of the game right now. According to Jason Cole on yahoo the Panthers’ roster is below $90 million this season and that was before Jake was cut so its all about the money right now.

by bleed_in_blue on Mar 5, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

I just think the Panthers are being shrewd with their spending and working the advantages the team’s have during the capless season to their full advantage.

Meeks was already transitioning the team to his model, cutting Lewis and Kemo was just the evolution of that.

The cutting of Delhomme was likely a decision by Hurney and Richardson. The opportunity to correct a big mistake doesn’t happen often in the NFL, and it gave Hurney the ability to get Delhomme off the books for future capped seasons.

I really don’t think it’s any indication a new coaching staff might be on the way in, if anything, the cuts give John Fox justification for rehire in his 2010 exit interview should the team underperform.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Fox better know his job is safe.

Nothing we’ve done so far in the offseason has made the team better.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The team better? No... maybe not

But the organization is financially healthier in the long term due to the cap space we have cleared making these tough moves.

When the cap is reinstated (whether than be in 2011 or beyond) the Panthers will be in a better position to manage the roster than they were in 2009.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Except the title of this entire thread!

We just got 18 INTs better!

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by southtunnel on Mar 5, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point, Richardson is putting his $ where his mouth is...

…or maybe in his safe deposit box.

He’s setting a good example of cost-cutting to his fellow owners.

Of course, this could also just be prelude to some FA buying, or trading up in the draft to get a 1st round pick. He’s now got all the $ he needs to spend, should he elect to go that way.

Either way, we can no longer say the Panthers are so conservative in their thinking, or don’t take decisive action, or don’t replace their vets.

When John Kasay retires, the Panthers will probably be the youngest team in the NFL.

by bigdavis on Mar 5, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

We’re setting ourselves up to win 5-7 games next year. Couldn’t possibly understand why we’d want that with the young talent on the roster.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No

We still have plenty of talent in the back seven and offensive line and running backs. We are very young, with lots of room to grow. There will be growing pains, but there is no reason to not expect at least ten wins, especially with the easier schedule.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 6, 2010 5:03 AM EST up reply actions  

jake

last year we won 4 games with jake, and would not have finished 8-8 if he still played. last year we were set up to win 5 or 6 games because jake procton sucked so bad. well he’s been cut, and now we are moving on with a better QB. that’s right. Moore is better than Jake. the bottom line why jake was cut was not the money, but because moore is better. you don’t have to take my word for it. fox and hurney said it through their actions. even if i agreed procto, it still wouldn’t change the fact that the staff decided moore is the future. to say that they were catering to the CSR is pretty dumb. i wouldn’t say anything that stupid and expect to still have some credibility.

by usana_gaines on Mar 6, 2010 5:11 AM EST up reply actions  

If they were "catering" to anyone on CSR, it wouldn't be to US.

We have been called ridiculous, crazy, and a lot worse, by MP himself, and I’m sure if they were to listen to any fans, he’d expect it would’ve been to him.

Jake wasn’t the only one “blindsided” by his release – imagine how poor MP felt, when he got the news there’d be no QB “competition” in training camp, for his boy to regain the starting role.

Jake responded with genuine emotion, but with his usual class – no sarcasm and bitterness from him. He’s a man, not a petulant boy.

by bigdavis on Mar 6, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Same as I said for Pep...

…except this time, without my tongue firmly lodged in my cheek.

Thanks for the good times, Jake.

by Jeff_L on Mar 5, 2010 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Crash

Every time I try to reply to comments I kicks me up to the top of the page… guess all the Jake traffic is killing the site…
anyway, ERL I don’t see this release as admitting a mistake, more a $ saving option in an uncapped year

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

but they would have been way over the cap had they not restructured Jake’s deal last year!!!
so really they had to…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't a fly on the wall during negotiations, unfortunately

But to me the contract was at least twice as much as it should have been. Had he not accepted less money last year, this move (cutting him) should have been done then. We might have been in the 2009 playoffs had it been, come to think of it.

But hind-sight is 20-20, right?

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes but...

I don’t think Jake’s meltdown was foreseen by many, as opposed to the extension which lessoned the cap hit and allowed us to get out from under his salary in an uncapped year…


To me NOW it looks like a genius move! They got more cap space for last year, and if jake turned into a SB QB they had him locked up long term… and if he didn’t they could cut that huge salary and not affect their cap at all b/c of the uncapped season… sounds like it worked out for us…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 5, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It did. kind of.

But only because there is no CBA in place. The downside is he almost single-handedly sunk our 2009 season.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure he did.

That’s why the other 21 starters were All-Pros, right?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We might also have been in the 2009 playoffs if the defense played even average football during the first half of the year.

But hind-sight (sic) is 20-20, right?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

WE DON'T SAVE MONEY!

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I see you’ve posted this several times before, so let me ask you why you don’t think the Panthers are saving money?

They were due the guaranteed portion of his contract regardless if they cut him now, next year or in 3 years. However, it does save the Panthers his salary, and cap space down the road as they will not take a hit for his remaining contract.

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by James Dator on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It cannot save cap space "down the road."

There is no cap in place in the NFL.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHY ARE WE YELLING!?!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 6, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I DON"T KNOW!

:)

One of South Africa's only Carolina Panthers and fans.

by chinchillas sword on Mar 6, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

wow

So i honestly cant believe they cut him, but im glad they are basically saying Moore this is your team now, noone is going to be behind you and lets see what you got kid!!!! I love the fact that they have faith in this kid. I am shocked however that they cut him all together!!! Very Bold Statement by the Panthers, i think the message they are sending is if you dont produce then your not only going to play but your not going to be on this team!!!

by jbeezness on Mar 5, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

That's why they signed Peppers up after '07, right?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Furney knew Moore would have to worry about Jake's shadow everwhere he went

If this is Moore’s team now, it is imperative that the cord to the Delhomme era be cut. So goes the line of thinking, I suppose.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 5, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

See i def agree with you erl, I am glad that moore has nobody in his shadows and this is now his team

by jbeezness on Mar 5, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would that be?

Moore’s never going to struggle, even for a single play. There wasn’t even a need for a preseason competition because he’s so good and proved so much during the last five games of the season, five games the likes of which nobody has ever seen against the five best teams in the NFL.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Look erl, MP ain't going to go away, unless he's banned.

As I posted, he had only two reasons to post here in the first place, to hate on Peppers, and slurp on Jake. Now they’re both gone. Ergo, no reason to be here.

So now he’s filling these posts with nothing but derisive sarcasm. I want him banned, so we can get back to some honest, meaningful, respectful and courteous exchanges of info and opinions. I intend to Flag him to the mods each and every time he posts something that’s nothing but sarcastic (and there have been at least a dozen of these just today.

Maybe if Jaxon gets tired of it all, he’ll take some action.

by bigdavis on Mar 5, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS

as the almighty TROLL Procton would say….

by packpigskinfan25 on Mar 6, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish Jake well. He deserves it!!

by tarheelfan on Mar 5, 2010 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

I also wish jake well, but its time to move on!!!

by jbeezness on Mar 5, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

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