Would the Panthers trade another future 1st round draft pick this year?
by LittleKing on Mar 24, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
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PrintI've been debating for a while now how likely the Panthers are to once again move up in this years draft by trading the 2011 first round draft. My first reaction has been there's no way they'll do that again. But the more thought I put into it I came up with a very good reason why they would make a similar trade. First lets examine what they gave up and what they received in the last two drafts.
In 2008 the Panthers drafted Jeff Otah by trading with Philadelphia. The Panthers gave up their 2008 second (#43) and fourth (#109) round picks and their 2009 first round pick. The previous year the Panthers ranked 24th in yards per rushing attempt at 3.8. Our offensive line consisted of LT Travelle Wharton, LG Mike Whale, C Justin Hartwig, RG Jeremy Bridges, and RT Jordan Gross). Otah was immediately plugged in as the starter at RT in the completely revamped line and in 2009 ranked 10th with an average of 4.4 yards per rush attempt.
In the 2009 draft the Panthers drafted Everette Brown and Mike Goodson by trading with San Francisco. The Panthers gave up their 2010 first round pick to obtained San Francisco's 2009 second (#43) and fourth (#111) round picks. Their impact hasn't been as apparent as Otah's. Goodson proved to have ball control issues and if those aren't resolved he will be a bust. Brown on the other hand still has more potential. In his rookie season with limited playing time he had 3 QB sacks, 7 QB hits, 13 QB pressures, 2 batted passes, and 14 tackles. This was while playing only 41% of the defensive snaps (another time maybe I'll get in to comparing his performance against other DE but that's beyond the scope of this post).
So far I'd say the 2008 trade was worth it, but the jury is still out on last years trade but leaning towards positive. But does it mean they would do it again?
Fox and Hurney always like to say that every option is always on the table. With that in mind under the right scenario and player availability in the draft it could be argued they would be willing to once again trade a future 1st rounder away. I would also guess it's not always their first option, but is a possibility.
However, the more I thought about it I think there is one additional fact that increases said possibility and that is the looming 2011 lockout. With the possibility of no football in 2011, while a draft will occur, you will draft a player that won't play for a whole year. Provided a 2012 season takes place that will be two draft classes that you have to determine if they will make the roster without seeing any on the field play. If they traded away the 2011 1st rounder you could potentiality get a extra year of that player.
Do I think they will trade the 2011 first rounder away? Not likely. Is it possible? Definitely, and if they do and there is a NFL lockout, a strong argument could be make that it was a shrewd move.
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Slight correction
We only gave up our 2010 first round pick to the 49ers, not the first and second. We used our 2nd rounder to draft S. Martin.
I think it's possible, but not probable
With Fox not under contract beyond the following season I find it hard to imagine that the front office would green light making a trade so Fox and Co. could potentially trade the 1st pick of a new coaches’ tenure.
Furthermore, if the owners get what they want and a rookie pay scale is introduced this will be the last year for 1st round picks to be paid like princes, and that’s flying in the face of what Richardson is trying to do for the owners.
Ultimately, however, it depends who’s available where the Panthers could make a potential trade. Honestly, other than the top 10 in this draft I don’t really see a player who I’m in love with enough to make a deal. Don’t get me wrong, if Detroit or St. Louis called tomorrow and we had an opportunity to get Ndamukong Suh, i’d be all over it… but trading a future 1st for a player like Carlos Dunlap doesn’t thrill me.
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by James Dator on Mar 24, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree with our resident Aussie. I don’t think the Panthers will trade away another future 1st round pick for the following reasons:
1) Possible Future Coach - Since the Panthers haven’t renewed John Fox’s contract, we’re a lot less likely to let him and Hurney mortgage the future again, because the potential exists that a new coach would need that pick to start putting “his kind of guys” and scheme in place.
2) Players’ Union Negotiations - Part of the whole reason the potential for a lockout exists is because the owners want to save money. Specifically, they’re targeting the inclusion of a rookie salary structure so they can cap how much these unproven players can demand before the owners even know if they’re worth it. Also, I think there’s some common ground there with some members of the players’ union among the proven veterans who immediately become underpaid and undervalued year-by-year when rookies supercede them with their mega-deals. So, with all that on the table, I think Richardson is setting an example for the rest of the league. He’s actually in a more comfortable position (draft-wise) now that the Panther’s don’t have a #1 pick this year. That means he doesn’t have to take on a new inflated rookie contract requiring 1st round compensation this year…as well as next year when we may not even have football around. To me, that makes it even less likely he’d sign-off on such a move by Fox and Hurney.
3) Roster Purges - In addition, I think the Panthers are waiting to pounce on any further roster moves other teams make in letting players go during and after the draft. Again, since they’re going cost-conscious right now because of the current labor climate with the players’ union, Carolina can fill areas of need by picking up experienced cast-offs from all the other teams jettisoning payroll, too. I don’t expect us to have a lot of free agent signings in the days ahead. But I also think we have more flexibility with finding capable free agents to fill needs rather than being dependent on moving up in the draft to find one.
4) Position Needs - I also don’t think we have major position needs right now. Most people would point to WR, DE, and QB as the areas where we most need to improve. You can pick up reasonable WRs in the 2nd and 3rd round, so you don’t have to trade up to get one. We’ve also got sufficent DEs with the right size for Meeks’ system on the roster right now. So I don’t see the need to move up and grab a first-rounder at that position either. Lastly, we just gave Matt Moore a new contract that effectively makes it clear he’s the starter. And, though normally teams might want to move up and draft a 1st round QB, I get the sense the Panthers aren’t looking to take such a high-paid position (in terms of 1st round talent) by drafting up for it this year either. That means, we have no position needs that would warrant such a draft trade this year.
5) Compensatory Picks - We’ve got enough extra compensatory picks (in both this year and next year’s draft) that there’s not a compelling reason to try and borrow our 1st rounder from next season now. We’ve also done that two years running, packaging extra picks with our 1st rounder to convince other teams to let us move up. Well, you can’t package compensatory picks in a trade, so they’re not helping us there. I also think Hurney and company are poised to throttle back a bit on the draft day moves. I could be wrong, but all the moves they’re making right now are very conservative. So I think they’re planning on using the extra 6th and 7th round compensatory picks to take a flyer on a few guys nobody knows about. Then, we’ll see how well our scouting department has done their job over the past several months evaluating late-round talent.
But that’s just my nickel’s worth,
—Neil
by NSpicer on Mar 24, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll tell you one thing Neil, your nickel buys a hell of a lot more than most people's dollars do...
Great analysis!
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Agreed
There’s a lot reasons why they won’t trade it away. I think James put it nicely “possible but not probable.” That’s where I stand.
Ditto...
And, as a result, I think they’ve got most of the major moves out of their system already. I honestly expect draft day to be especially boring for the Panthers faithful. We might get a WR or DE to get excited about…some roleplayers here or there…a lot of training camp bodies who’ll likely be released or land on the practice squad…and that’s about it.
The most exciting possibilities I can credibly imagine for the Panthers in this year’s draft involve one of two likely scenarios:
1) Developmental Project at QB - Some guy who falls down the draft board intrigues us enough to take him (either by trading up, or selecting him as the best talent available at the time). Or, we take somebody in the late rounds we believe has potential at the position (like a Tebow, A.Edwards, etc.). Either way, Matt Moore will still be the starter. And, anyone we grab at QB sticks around to learn the system, work on mechanics, etc.
2) Trading Down - If the Panthers want to get even more cost-conscious…or, some other team is desperate to move up to grab someone who’s fallen down the draft board…I could see them as part of a deal to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick to move back in the order while stockpiling additional low-cost picks in the later rounds. This would help to further trim the payroll in the event any of the draft picks stay on the roster.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
Or for #2...getting a 2011 pick
I could see the Panthers doing the opposite of what they have done the last two years. Giving up a pick for a higher pick next year
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I like that idea!
I like the prospects next year a little better then this year if we had 2 1sts we could hit the jack pot!
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 25, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't thought about the comp picks
but shouldn’t the Pep pick be at least a 3rd rounder? Or do we not get that til next year? I would imagine Julius was the top FA on their scale so we should get the 1st comp pick available whenever.
Next year...
We won’t see the compensatory pick for Julius Peppers until next year. And it’ll probably be a 3rd round pick…which is the highest compensation we can get for losing a player drafted as highly as him.
3rd round
We will be eligible for a 3rd rounder next year.
by Indian Panther on Mar 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
otah's impact
Otah was definitely worth it as I think he has a half dozen or so pro bowls in his future with carolina. however, the year before we got him, we had Foster getting carries at a 2 to 1 ratio over D-Will. D-Will averaged 4.8 YPC, and Foster was at 3.4. Then we replace that with D-Will and Stew, and the average goes up. Another way to look at it, though, is that D-Will went from 4.8 YPC to 5.5.
OK
But I have often wondered, do you really ever use a #1 pick on a RIGHT tackle? I love Otah and think that he’s done everything the team has asked him to do. But again, do you ever use a first round pick for a right tackle? We signed Gross to be the LT for many years to come. Is there any presidence for a team to use a first round pick for a player who will play RIGHT tackle for the majority of his career?
Same thing could be said of interior linemen
Typically they aren’t viewed as highly as tackles, and yet it still happens. Moreover it is likely to occur twice in this draft with Pouncey (Center) and Iupati (Guard).
Regardless, Otah had a 1st round draft grade at the Left Tackle position (his position in college), but we already had an All Pro quality Tackle with more experience and better quickness/technique in Jordan Gross. Since Otah was a road paving beast lacking the talent of Gross in pass blocking (a necessity on the blind side), the right side of our line naturally became the go-to side when we needed to get a few yards on the ground.
I sort of view the drafting of Stew and Otah as a package deal…it makes more sense taking them together than either one by himself. So if you have the chance to put two 1st round-graded tackles on your team, I don’t see as how you can turn it down; especially when their abilities are so complementary.
my prediction
I think Fox and company are more than prepared and are likely to make the trade. They’ve already done more this offseason than any other offseason, so the chances of them doing something they have a history of doing is not so far off. I think we’ll be looking specifically for guys with a first rd value who are still available in the top 10 picks of the 2nd round, and we move up if we foresee that person having an impact at least as significant as Brown’s.
trading 2010 1st rd pick
i doubt that they would trade the first rd pic for the 3rd str yr but they have suprised me the last couple yrs.. i like your reasons for doing so with the lockout looming and such.. i have one other reason that they may do so agn.. one big reason i think they might would is because they should get 2 or 3 comp pics for the following yr which i believe will be at least 3 rd pics with the lost of peppers and vincent and all the other veterans that we have lost this year,, we will prob get a couple more late rd pics for 2011 also so it wouldnt hurt us as bad to trade that pic away,,
i would be willing to give next yrs 1st rd and a 3rd and 6th if needed to get a #1 reciever to help smith..
I could see us packaging a a couple late round picks
and a mid-round pick next year to move into the 3rd round lets say, to get a guy they really like
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+1
Since we have quite a few 6th and 7th round picks, there is a strong possibility that we may trade up.
How about what Smith Says here:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8171ca78&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
by Indian Panther on Mar 24, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Entirely possible...
…especially considering this year’s draft is pretty deep. I could see a number of players falling to the 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th or 5th round where we might want to make a move up the draft board for them. I just don’t see it playing out in any fashion where it requires our 1st round pick from next year to do so.
Please, not Tebow...
Foxy – Please draft us a DE, DT, or WR with our first pick in the 2nd round, not Tebow (as that article suggests).
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
I don't think they'll draft Tebow....
With all the Tebow hype these days, any sound bite they can get from a coach about Tebow is instant news. rolls eyes I think it’s safe to say, just because Fox thought he’d be successful in the NFL doesn’t mean they’re even thinking about drafting him.
by The Duke Dude on Mar 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes...
…Fox and Hurney like to put stuff like that out there as a smokescreen to make people think they’re interested a specific player. When, in reality, they’re eyeing someone else entirely. We’ll see how it goes. I wouldn’t doubt that the Panthers do have interest in Tebow. I’m not sure it’s a 2nd round interest, though. If he falls down the draft board, who knows, though?
I can't stand Tebow.
Along with the rest of the SEC fans that aren’t specifically Florida fans. I would be very disheartened to have to root for him in the pros.
This
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Yeah Do not Want
The Tebow circus pitching its tent in Spartanburg this August. The media both local and national would do their absolute best to manufacture a QB controversy.
Do or do not. There is no try.
That's not necessarily a bad thing...
Yes, the media scrutiny might hurt a little…especially since we’ll have a rather young team that might not deal with it as well as a bunch of veterans would. But, manufacturing a QB controversy might drive Matt Moore and Tebow (or any other competitive QB) to work as hard as possible to deserve the starting job. Right now, there’s no one pushing Moore at all on the roster. And I don’t necessarily see that as a good thing. I don’t view him as so fragile that he can’t hold up to anyone pushing him from lower on the depth chart.
Regardless, I’m not sold on Tebow being the future QB of the Panthers (or for anyone in the league) just yet. But I’m also not writing him off as a complete wash-out who won’t be able to translate his game to the pro level. If the kid falls far enough that it’s value pick for the Panthers, I wouldn’t mind having him to see what he can do. But we shouldn’t reach for him.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
We need a strong rookie just to light a fire under Moore's behind
The same way that he improved his game to surpass Delhomme as the starting QB is the same fire we need to keep burning by drafting a quality young QB who is a threat to take his job in a couple years.
If Matt Moore were bothered by competition, then he never would have been able to elevate his game above Foxy’s golden child, Jake Delhomme. It is important to have competition to avoid complacency, not to mention, we need some insurance in case of injury.
Competition is fine...when it is warrented
How can we assume that Tebow is going to come into camp and get half of the practice snaps with the first team? Or how will he be given an opportuntiy to compete with Moore for the job not having played a down in the NFL?
Let’s be real. There will not be a real QB controversey between Moore and Tebow because the coaching staff knows that there should not be one, and they are right.
And if Moore needs the team to draft Tebow so he can really step his game up then I don’t want him anyway.
Because of the lack of a real QB controversy, the media is going to try to create their own, and every single question directed at every single player and staff member will revolve around Tebow, his virginity, when and how he’ll get on the field—as it would with any team that drafts him.
I already have a hard enough time going to the Observer for Panther news, I’m pretty sure it would turn into ’Tebow’s Playhouse’ if he comes to Carolina.
I do not want any and all national and local Panther news revolving around our 3rd string quarterback, and I certainly do not want to feel the disgust that comes with the fickle dickles in the stands crooning for Tebow the minute Moore makes a bad throw.
Do or do not. There is no try.
by ERL on Mar 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Greatest player in college history?
PLEASE – he doesn’t even crack the top ten.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
What?
You’d be the only person in the world to hold that opinion. Even the people who don’t think he’ll be a pro QB say that he was the best college QB of all time. Do you live on this planet?
Well lets see....
He’s only won:
- 2 BCS championships…psshhh no big deal
-Allstate and Capital One Bowl…no one has ever heard of those bowls though…
-Heisman Trophy and a couple of nominations
-2 ESPYs for Best College Athlete
-AP Player of the Year
-Davey Brian Award
-Harley Award
-Maxwell Award, twice…
-NCAA QB of the Year
-Sporting News Player of the Year
- Manning Award
-SEC Male Athlete of the Year
-SEC Offensive Player of the Year, twice..
- SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year
-William V. Campbell Trophy
- Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award
-Only player EVER to run and pass for 20 TDs
-Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (Season) — 23 in 2007
-Most consecutive games scoring a TD rushing and passing (Season) — 13 in 2007; (Career) — 14
-Scoring 20 or more TDs by rushing and by passing — 32 passing, 23 rushing in 2007
Soooo yeah, I’d say he’s okay I guess…
So because he won popularity contest awards makes him the greatest ever?
Okay, got it.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
What?!?!
So Tebow won all of these things, title games and such because of popularity? Ohh yeah, just like you can win battles and decoration in military service by popularity… that makes a lot of sense!!
My point is that you can’t win these things by popularity, the Nobel Peace Prize you can, but all of those records, title games, and such, that is simply do to talent. Tebow has to be at least a pretty good QB to have accomplished all that he has…
He may be a starter someday
But it is going to take him a long time to transition to the NFL game. Look at Alex Smith. He is just finally coming around, sort of. Because Tebow is 3 or 4 or 5 years away from being ready, teams will pass on him several times before someone rolls the dice in the 3rd or 4th round.
The upside is, compared to other young backup quarterbacks, Tebow can do other things and possibly play other positions while he is learning to be a QB in a pro-style offense.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Re popularity...
Other than his stats, everything he has ever won is based on his popularity…
ESPY awards (voted on by fans)
AP POY (voted by the media)
SEC Scholar Athlete (nothing to do with football)
Lowe’s Sr. CLASS Award (sports is only a small part of the criteria)
He isn’t the sole reason they won their BCS championships or their bowl games – remember, football is a team sport.
Actually, when it comes down to it, every award is voted on by a group of people, whether it be coaches or media, or even fans (ESPY’s), so yeah – it is a popularity contest.
I will concede that he has good college statistics and he was the QB of a team that won 2 BCS titles in 4 years, but that doesn’t make him the greatest player in the 100+ year history of college football.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Actually, the Nobel Peace Prize is more about "potential"
Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.
120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 26, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say that Tebow is the best college player ever, but not the best QB
I do believe the two can be mutually exclusive, because Tebow is a jack of all trades, master of none.
In terms of a pure QB Tebow is a distant second to the likes of Danny Wuerffel, Jim Plunkett and Tommie Frazier.
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by James Dator on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't even give him greatest player...
The likes of Barry Sanders, Tony Dorsett, Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, etc prevent me from doing so.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
*cough College, not NFL. Those guys are definitely better NFL players
Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.
120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 25, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I would argue they were better in college too.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
And I'm not a big college guy
I have a rudimentary understanding, but that’s about it.
Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.
120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 26, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure I'm not the only person in the world who disagrees with you.
He was a good college QB, I’ll concede that – but greatest ever? I don’t think so.
John Elway, Dan Marino, Roger Staubach, Ty Detmer, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Tommie Frazier, Sammy Baugh, Davey O’Brien (who has a freaking award named after him), Ken Doresy, Danny Weurffel…
My point is: you can’t automatically assume that Tebow is the best of all time – all the QB’s I listed can make an argument and quite frankly, had Tebow not been at Florida when they had superstar talent at other skill positions, there wouldn’t even be a conversation.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick or draft Tim Tebow, my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Okay, I really don't want to get into a Tebow argument about his college career
I’m not that qualified to talk about college football, and I don’t feel like looking for stats. But I will say Leinart had a pretty good talent level around him, as did Young. The other guys are before my time, but I’m sure the same holds true.
Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.
120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 25, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Guess I'd be the second then.
He’s just the medias love interest right now. Next year he’ll be just another NFL rookie.
My above post..
I don’t want Tebow here. By ANY means. Scroll up a little and you can read my disdain for Tebow.
I just think it would be a smart move to draft someone for many reasons. Competition, future, and backup.
Yeah I saw it Tater
I agree with you, aside from the idea that said rookie will affect Moore. We obviously need to bring somebody in, and the better the player, the better it is for the team, but I’m not convinced anyone in this draft (I’m not implying that you are in favor of this guys) should come in and get the opportunity to compete for the starting job—in Carolina….no, not even Bradford. In terms of the future, Moore is only 25, so a 22-23 year old rookie doesn’t necessarily represent the future, but like you said, we do need a solid backup, and if Moore does not work out, he certainly could become the future.
Do or do not. There is no try.
This
We have too many needs to take him in the second, but if he falls to our third round pick the value is just right.
Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.
120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 25, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
2011 first we could get a DE or WR or whatever.
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 24, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
If the deal is there, and it's worth it
then it will be done. If you could get an outstanding talent for next years’ first, why wouldn’t you pull the trigger now?
People are too hung up on not having a first round selection. How much did it hurt us last year?
Great point
If we did have a first rounder last year…guess who we would’ve drafted….uhhhh….duhhhh….oh yeah! Everette Brown!!!
Seriously, Everette would’ve been the pick in the first round last year if they hadn’t done the trade for Otah the previous year.
The front office will make a deal if a value pick is there…and that’s a translation for…the guy they would’ve picked in the first round anyways…is still available in the second round.
I suspect however that the Panthers are gonna get their guy without trading their 2011 first round pick.
Yes, the Panthers WILL trade...50-60% chance
As I proposed in my first 2010 Panthers draft forecast on this site, I think the panthers WILL trade next years 1st for more picks this year. Here’s why that’s so:
1. Simple Statistics: The Panthers have traded their 1st round picks the last three drafts. Why would they stop now? Fox and Hurney have become adept at trading, this last season, we traded 2 draft picks for DTs. Beyond these recent trades, the Panthers almost NEVER traded picks, or even entertained the thought of it. Point here is that the Panthers have found trading to help them out, and they are doing it now more than they EVER have, which means that they are going to keep doing it!
2. Possible That This is Fox/Hurney’s last year: Since this is Coach John Fox’s possible last year, he’s going to do everything possible to make it a winning season and one that ends with a playoff run. That means that he is thinking short term, and not worried about long term consequences. It’s the same position he was in two years ago, when everyone assumed he was in the ‘hot seat.’ What did he do that year? Traded next years first, the second and fourth round picks for an offensive lineman highly needed and desired. This year, he again is in the ‘hot seat,’ and has no long term vision again. If he sacrifices next years’ first, and he’s not here next year, it’s not big deal for him…
3. Roster Purges=Positional Needs: As ya’ll know, we’ve released a plethora of veterans and starters and now need QUALITY players to fill in those spots…WR, DE, LB, etc…
4. Good Players with High Value Fall + Panthers Highly Desire them=Perfect Recipe for Panthers to make trade happen: The past two years have proved that if a great player they like a lot falls to a certain spot, the Cats will trade to get him. Everette Brown fell enough last year, that the Panthers had to do something to grab him. This year, there will DEFINITELY be talent (because there’s just too much in the draft this year) like Everette falling into the 2nd, and the Panthers just might have to go get whoever that is…
5. Past Success Leads to Continuation of the Same: The Panthers track record in trading and drafting has been successful…this gives Fox and Hurney more confidence to do it again, especially when on the hot seat….
6. Deeeeep Draft: This draft is deeeeeeep this year, and especially deep at our positional needs. We would almost be a fool to not go after some of this talent that may not be available next year, and would without doubt help us reach the playoffs. Plus, if we get a year of experience under a players belt for next year, that could be better than a rookie next year.
7. Next Years 1st Rounder May Be Late One, So Trade it Away: With a QB (Jake) that kept us from our true potential and playing in the playoffs, we were still 8-8. Imagine Matt Moore, or just a steady and solid QB leading the best running tandem in the league and a Pro Bowl receiver in Smitty. Also, the Panthers had a top 10 defense last year. Sooo…we have the potential to do reaaalllly well…and if we do, we’d have a very late pick next year in the 1st round, probably in the 20’s. If we have such a late pick next year, Fox and Hurney place less value on the pick next year, gambling that it won’t be great, so they trade it…
All in all, I think that the Panthers WILL trade next years first to get in this years’ second. I would place the Panthers chance of trading next years first at about 50-60%. The biggest factors here are the need for quality players at holes in our roster (DE, WR, LB) and Fox and Hurney being on the hot seat once again…
Seriously doubt it but it is Hurney and Foxy
Who knows I just think it is a bad idea that paid off really well one time and the verdict is still out on the second trade with E. Brown and M. Goodson. Panthers need to just draft with the picks they have b/c great players are going to fall to us in the second round due to their being so much talent in the draft at WR & DT. OB is something we can address in the 3rd round at the earliest unless at Sam Bradford type (not that I am saying Bradford is that good but b/c of the hype a player such as Bradford receives) falls.
With a 2011 lockout looking more and more likely it would be wise to not mortage any more 1st round selections. However with M. Hurney in charge you know darn well it is going to be on the table at all times.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
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