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Panther Fans Weigh in on Vick's Panther Preference

Sweet mother of god... help us now.

According to a blog on the Charlotte Observer web site, and as mentioned at around the 7:40 mark in this video, Michael Vick wants to come and play for the Carolina Panthers. More details after the jump...

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Appearing on the Gangsta Grillz radio program on Atlanta station Hot 107.9 FM, Vick was asked by host DJ Drama to respond to a listener question regarding where he’d like to play.

 

"If I could play for any team in the league, it would probably be two teams, but if I had to pick one, it would probably be the Carolina Panthers," Vick said.

 

When asked why Carolina, Vick responded:

 

"Well, you know, it’s close to  home. I like the uniforms. You get to play against Atlanta twice a year. Ain’t nothing better than playing against your former team, right? So, yeah, that would be a good look, it would be a good look."

Okay... one moment please. (goes in closet, pulls out Soap Box)


NO. NO. NoNoNoNoNoNoNo NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

First of all, this was recorded on a radio program called "Gangsta Grillz" which is clearly the best place to get in touch with Jerry Richardson and let him know just how much you want to be on his football team. I at least know John Fox is an avid listener, and Marty Hurney has sunday brunch with DJ Drama bi-weekly. What an excellent forum to show that you are a changed man, and inform children not to follow in your footsteps.

Second. We don't need you Michael. The last thing we need in Carolina is a QB with WORSE accuracy and a boatload more baggage. We can get a guy in the 7th round of the draft who is faster, has a better arm, and a good clean track record if we want a gimmick player or a wildcat QB (Armanti Edwards). Oh, and he will be far cheaper than the rumored $5m a year you are looking for.

Third. We are dog lovers here at CSR. In fact... we would like you to meet Weinke...

WEINKE! COME SAY HI!

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Vick To Carolina?

DO. NOT. WANT.

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Just say no to Vick.

First of all, this was recorded on a radio program called “Gangsta Grillz” which is clearly the best place to get in touch with Jerry Richardson and let him know just how much you want to be on his football team. I at least know John Fox is an avid listener, and Marty Hurney has sunday brunch with DJ Drama bi-weekly. What an excellent forum to show that you are a changed man, and inform children not to follow in your footsteps.

I literally LOL’d when I read this.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 2, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I got a good laugh out of that too.
 I doubt Weinke finds any humor in anything remotely having to do with Vick.

by paydirt16 on Mar 3, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Class act
Ain’t nothing better than playing against your former team, right?

He does realize that they wouldn’t be his former team if his ass wasn’t thrown in prison… right?

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

I understand that he wants to “get back” at the Falcons, but he would still be on the Falcons had he not went to prison. He did it to himself, so there’s really no cause for revenge.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 2, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I miss something?

Why is it understandable that he wants to ‘get back’ at the Falcons? What did they do? He went to prison for two years, he deserved to have his contract voided.

They treated him like a king in ATL. I don’t get the animosity now.

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he is looking to "get back" at the Falcons.

This was an Atlanta radio station after all.

Sounds like he wants to be on a team where he can live somewhat near Atlanta. He probably would really like to play for Atlanta, but knows they are not going to take him back.

So playing for the Panthers fits his little agenda.

by Tater596 on Mar 2, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's not looking for that...

Then why mention his excitement to be able to match up with them.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

"There's nothing better than playing against your own team"

No doubt what he wants.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It's human nature to want to lash out at those who reject you

He was released (by his own doing), so I’m sure he wants to stick it to the Falcons because in his mind they made a mistake by releasing him and not re-signing him once he was out of prison.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 2, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And before someone brings it up...

I know they signed Matt Ryan so they didn’t need him anymore, but I think that in Vick’s mind they should have waited it out until he came back into the league.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 2, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

They could have resigned him when he became eligible

They also tried to get some bonus money back. I am not saying he is justified in seeking revenge, but its not what they did its what they didnt do, should have picked him up at the pockey in a limo with some prostitutes and a new cell phone damn.

by parkershawn2001 on Mar 2, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't get it

i don’t understand how so many people keep bringing up the dog fighting. there was more hate for him fighting dogs than other people who drive drunk, some of whom have killed people. i think vick would be great in carolina if he brought some real work ethic. there are no QBs we can get in the draft or anywhere who have a better arm or run faster. vick ran a 4.36 at the rookie camp after he was drafted. i’ve heard reports that he’s run as fast 4.25 or 4.33. name anyone on the panthers who’s faster. he’s only 30, so he has good years left. and his arm is unbelievable. i don’t mind people who say they don’t want vick, but let’s not tal about dogs. his accuracy needs improvement. and he needs to put in some real work. in atlanta, he was lazy and thought what he was doing was good enough (sounds kind of like peppers). if his attitude hasn’t changed, then i don’t want him either. but if he is willing to do some real work, there are few QBs better. it’s just that he has to want to be that good. i think he does. i’d give him a shot. i’d offer him a chance to earn $5 mil based on incentives. if he can’t beat out moore, he won’t get paid more than moore. and nobody is gonna make more than jake, even if he doesn’t play at all.

by usana_gaines on Mar 2, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

My reasons have nothing to do with the dog fighting

I just don’t think he’s a good quarterback.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 2, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

many people

a lot of people said that, and i can understand that. he is the most physically gifted qb i have ever seen. no one even comes close, but he never really worked too hard at it. i think that he’s willing to put in the work to be a great qb, but i’m not confident enough in that to give him $5 mil a year…i could see him in oakland with peppers, and throwing the ball to T.O.

by usana_gaines on Mar 2, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's "willing to put in the work..."

Then why was he such a godawful quarterback just last year?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

won't waste my time with your ridiculous comments.

you have no credibility discussing qbs. you opinion about qbs is irrelevant.

by usana_gaines on Mar 3, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, so we should have been IMPRESSED to see him complete 45% of his passes and average 4 YPC.

Thanks for the clarification.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, Vick looked really bad for the most part.......

I guess thats understandable considering his situation, but with the exception of a few plays he was ineffective both passing and running. He looked slow and indecisive and never seemed to get back up to NFL speed.

by paydirt16 on Mar 3, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

He has a strong arm, but ZERO accuracy, and is a running QB, not a pocket passer. He isn’t a good fit.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 3, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It's easier to criticize

than it is to forgive, and admit you yourself screw up some times too

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never "screwed up..."

in a way that ended the life of a living creature by my willful, deliberate actions like Vick has.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, so your forgiveness has limits

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You're damned right.

I wouldn’t expect anybody to forgive me had I drowned, beaten, and electrocuted living creatures over and over.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

ants, cockroaches

cows, deer, turkeys you’ve never killed any of these living creatures, or eatin a burger which caused them to be killed?
Is it because dogs are cute a cuddly that it is wrong to kill them?
Dog fighting is wrong, and I’m glad it’s illegal… just can’t understand peoples unwillingness to forgive and move beyond…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 3, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry

I didn’t read below b4 I commented… already been discussed, and would delete if it was possible…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 3, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly haven't, chief.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He is an awful quarterback, and he's certainly not putting up the same times from his rookie camps.

As for the dogfighting thing, I frankly don’t want a guy who’s not remorseful for deliberately killing a living creature. That clearly reflects his values, and he’s not going to be a leader with values like that.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well leading the league in INTs is considered awful as well

And unless you (by you I mean anyone, I have no idea about You specifically) are a Vegan, than you are responsible for supporting the killing of billions of animals… and in a inhumane manner.

Just because society teaches that a dog has more rights than say a chicken, goes to show that these are logic-less emotional responses.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Did I do it myself?

Didn’t think so. And, while I wouldn’t doubt it from Vick, I have a feeling he wasn’t planning on eating the fruits of his murderous labor.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

No he didn't for purposes related to money

Just like our food industry. The more livestock you can cram into a cage and fatten up, the more money you make by stuffing buffets with meat for Americans to stuff their faces with.

It’s all relative.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused as to what you mean.

Producing food≠murdering underperforming fighting dogs.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you think they do to livestock on farms

When they are not producing eggs, milk, etc? The only difference is Fido licks your feet in the morning.

I don’t agree with what Vick did. I’m just saying if you are going to hold him to the fire then do the same for our extremely corrupt food industry.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

They don’t hang, beat, electricute or drown the beef I eat for dinner.

Is the food we eat slaughtered? Yes… is it tortured? No

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, that's what they do to the sick ones

The ones you eat are forced to live in tiny spaces where they are barely unable to move, because exercise means less fat, meaning less money.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Strange.

If they were electrocuting and beating animals, you’d think there’d be some kind of outcry against that, it being illegal and all. Whoops.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's not be ignorant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNngE_lKXgA

Americans really only care about animals when it doesn’t inconvenience them.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

And the PETA police are out.

Should I get you a youtube video of Vick’s awful play to prove it to you? That’d be no less legitimate.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Cows not getting to excercise isn’t the same as torturing an animal.

I don’t think our agricultural system is the picture of humance treatment in mass farms, but the chardge that the industry are torturing sick animals is ridiculous. We have the USDA for a reason

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No, not for the sake of torturing

But the process of disposing of animals that do not make you money is the same as Vick. It’s just that one has govt support, the other is doing something illegal.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

the process of disposing of animals that do not make you money is the same as Vick

Accept the agricultural industry is legal, and dogfighting is illegal.

Furthemore, even if farmers excecute their animals it’s done with a piston… not electricuting them with power cords, or holding them underwater until they drown, or hanging them.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Legality is decided by nothing but

A group of people (no different than you or I), except that they are controlled by corporate interests.

Would you like dogs to be confined to a lifetime body sized box? Fattened and then decapitated? For no other reason than its less cost efficient to let the roam?

Bottom line, there is a double standard with animals based on the flavor of their meat.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we are omnivores after all

We eat meat for food by nature. Cows, chickens, etc. happen to be the meat that tastes the best to us, so we decide to eat it over things like dog (which is eaten elsewhere)

If dog tasted good, we probably would treat it as food the same way.

Is there a double standard as you say based on the flavor of a particular animal? sure. Because some simply are not worth harvesting for food, and therefore do not warrant malicious treatment.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are saying it's justifiable?

That we “maliciously” treat the ones that we have chosen for our food supply, yet make strict laws about how we treat the ones that are not?

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

They are our food supply

If an animal is part of the food supply, I have no problem with it being killed. Honestly, if news broke that Vick was killing dogs for food, then I would be much more okay with it. (Though puzzled)

But there is no reason to just harm animals for pleasure. I cannot stand things like hunting just for sport. If you are going to hunt, you better be planning to use that meat for food.

I’m sorry if you feel differently, but I have no issue killing an animal for food. Assuming your comments, I can only assume you’re a vegetarian. Which clashes quite a bit with your signature of “soul food”

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That misses the original point

Nobody is disagreeing whether or not meat should be eaten. It’s more so whether its humane to manufacture meat the way we do, just because one can make billions of dollars off of a society that loves meat buffets.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Its really tough to say

Just how far humanity should go to make an animal comfortable, so to speak, up until the point we kill it for food.

Costs need to be kept down so that families can afford meals. I’m not talking about the ones who are well off and can afford to eat big steak dinners each night, more so the ones who have to be content with processed meat for nourishment.

This is just one of those things I believe where each person has to set their own level of comfort.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

1st, Processed food has little nourishment

It’s why doctors visits, health care and insurance costs increase every year.

2nd, natural are expensive only because the corporations purposely drive the costs up. It hasn’t always been this way. Nor is it currently in many resourceful 3rd world countries. Food is cheap, it’s convenience that comes at a high cost.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

3rd, We are WAY off topic :)

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and this to me is an illustration of the best reason for staying clear of Vick.

His baggage brings this kind of discussion to the table. Although typical of this blog, this discussion is actually thoughtful and civil.
Up here in Philly it got really ugly.

by paydirt16 on Mar 3, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

yes...WTF are you guys talking about?

back to the pigskin boyz!…lol..

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

p.s.

Malicious was not the word I was going for. Animals part of the food supply should be given as painless a death we can give them.

Animals not part of the food supply should not be treated with any malice at all, is what I was going for.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

So you’re favoring we start using humans for the food supply?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if you are the first

;)

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

American's food is a $500 billion industry

These guys can do almost whatever they want because its their lobbying/campaign funding that support our politicians. And those politicians have to back them and their inhumane practices in order to stay in office.

The days of the old American farmers/dairy pastures is long gone. Greed controls things now, and we are OK with that but ONLY if it makes our lives more convenient, and Fido’s not involved.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Most definitely

Archeology of hominid fossils (I study this stuff) has proven that Man has been hunters for as long as we know.

However, we have only industrialized and manufactured animals for food the way we currently do for less than 100 years. For all of history prior to that, man maintained free range farms with animals that roamed freely.

So yes we are carnivorous. But no, we do not have to treat them like we currently do under our present legal system.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

would you not agree

That technology has warranted this to some extent? That we are simply running out of space for free range animals?

Part of the problem is that we have over-regulated a lot of these ranchers, and some of the fallout of that is increased costs for them. That means they cannot expand their pastures indefinitely, and turn to the cheaper option of confinement.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but only partially

It’s the large food corporations, who also have the buying power to persuade congress. They are forcing the smaller farmers out of business… and often through legal manipulation.

This is corporate corruption due to monetary greed, that is responsible for how animals are treated… Just like Vick. I don’t believe one should be illegal and the other. Both should be.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I have!

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you on the dog fighting bit. He’s a professional football player. These men are paid for their athletic abilities, not their moral standings or personal activities.

Staal has it all - Stanley Cup, World Championship, Olympic Gold Medal.

by J'adoreBrind'Amour on Mar 3, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the username!

Welcome to the blog

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I am totally sick of the comparison

That is made EVERY SINGLE TIME this Vick crap comes up. A person who is driving drunk, gets in an accident, and kills someone is guilty of ACCIDENTALLY killing someone, okay? Just because they were drinking and shouldn’t be driving does NOT indicate intent. Michael Vick PURPOSEFULLY tortured and killed animals. It was an ACT on his part. I don’t know if you’ve ever tried to drown, or strangle, or electrocute a living thing, as I certainly have not, but I’m certain it takes quite a bit of time to do this before they are dead, and that’s not even considering doing it to a living thing to incite it to violence. I am fed up with people who willfully forget this little detail. THINK about what you say, and then maybe you won’t sound so unbelievably callous and offensive.

by The Kackalack Kid on Mar 5, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow...I'm surprised too by this

but certainly he the Panthers won’t even entertain the thought. If I ignore all the neg baggage from the prison sentence then I think Vick would be a good back-up QB and a specialist in certain situations. But we already have a very good back-up in either Moore or Delhomme.

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by Jaxon on Mar 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I’d like Vick as a gimmick but not a starter. If he held for FGs, I think that’d make for the best 4th and short fake FG run in the league.

And Vick in the wildcat with Williams or Stewart would be deadly. Still, he’s no starter (at least, for the Panthers).

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 2, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He would be a good backup?

As in, you’d start him? Please. The dude barely completes 50% of his passes, and he’s never been able to throw with any semblance of accuracy beyond about eight yards. He made Alge Crumpler into a superstar because of his inability to use his receivers.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats right! Vick is an awful QB, thats why Pick6 is soooo much better huh?? LOL. You folks who don’t want Vick here need to let go of your grudges, but it’s cool, as long as Fox is the HC this team will continue to be mediocre and try to retain its “PC” image.

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by D.W.G. on Mar 2, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Nice strawman. Now how about responding to what people have actually said?

by SlayerGhaleon on Mar 2, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny… the only time I see the word Delhomme mentioned (according to my search tool) is where Jaxon says he’s a good backup.

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

way to flame it up

No one here said Delhomme is a good QB.

All I’m saying is that Vick is a bad QB.

Moore is better than both of them at this point, IMO.

by Tater596 on Mar 2, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

moore better than vick

vick has so many more physical tools than vick in arm strength and speed, but moore has shown he can play well from the pocket. i don’t know if vick could beat moore for the starting spot. right now, i don’t think so, but i would like to find out. we know we’re not gonna draft a qb, so right now it’s apparently between moore and jake.

by usana_gaines on Mar 2, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

How do we know we're not going to draft a QB?

The team’s usually lived and died with the best player available strategy. That’s what got us Jarrett with Keyshawn on the roster and Kalil with the high-dollar Hartwig.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

because i said so

i laugh when you reply to my comments because your arguments are irrelevant. anyone who uses his happy place to measure jake’s skillset, and imaginary scenarios to judge others is not worth the energy.

by usana_gaines on Mar 3, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

you've made your point usana...

don’t stoop…

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you might have to change the ToS because of his litany of negative contributions!

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

flame what up?

Pick6 had the most number of turnovers by a QB last year, led the NFL in turnovers, so how can Vick be any worse? What justifies Vick as a “bad” QB? Pick6 has a laundry list of faults but “hes a great leader” lol. How ridiculous. Thats the problem with folks here, too PC and worried about their image instead of trying to get wins out of a game thats PLAYED FOR ENTERTAINMENT! I wish folks

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by D.W.G. on Mar 3, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Delhomme has the faults.

Except he’s a hundred times the quarterback at his worst that Vick is at his best.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong.

Jay Cutler – 26 INT
Jake Delhomme – 18 INT

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, DeeDubs does not count factual representation among his strengths.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

And if you count fumbles..

Jake only had 6, so his grand total would be 24 turnovers, which is still fewer than Cutler’s INT’s – not even counting Cutler’s fumbles (if he had any)

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Nine, if we wanna get specific.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

I didn’t feel like looking it up because it was unnecessary to prove my point, but thanks for the added information.

So now the grand total for turnovers is:

Cutler – 35
Delhomme – 24

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Need I remind you all that a fumble isn't a turnover unless it's lost.

Cutler fumbled 9 times, true, but only lost ONE of them — so…that’s 26 INTs and 1 lost fumble = 27 Turnovers, vs 27 TD passes. (Ratio = 1TO per TD pass)

Contrast that to Jake’s 18 INTs and 3 lost fumbles = 21 Turnovers, vs 8 TD passes. (Ratio = 2.6 TOs per TD pass)

Compare the numbers any way you want, but them’s the facts.

by bigdavis on Mar 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

That's not the point.

The point is: D.W.G. made the following statement:

Pick6 had the most number of turnovers by a QB last year, led the NFL in turnovers, so how can Vick be any worse?

My point was that his statement is unequivocally false. Cutler turned the ball over more times than Jake did.

That’s all: nothing more, nothing less. I’m not advocating Jake for 2010, I’m just saying that if you want to knock the man for his on-field struggles, do it with facts.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to do when so many have their mind made up regardless of the facts.

That’s why Moore supporters are so afraid of a camp competition. They’re worried that Moore will be outperformed by Delhomme in spite of the fact that he’s “unquestionably the better quarterback, as evidenced by his incredible five-game stretch in the most important games played in the NFL all season.”

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

let it go

i love NC, been here my entire life, prob will never leave, but their are some judgemental folks here, decison for football should be made by what a man can do on the field and i think vick can bring something that we need A SPARK! SOMETHING NEW! A NEW DIMENSION, A LITTLE BIT OF UNPREDICTABLITY! Vick does need work on some of his game, but i wont rule out the fact that we need some help being that we can make it all the way to the big dance but, go home empty handed, thats for the birds! rather we not even be their at all. SO ALL YOU PUNKS THAT CANT DO WHAT HE DOES, SHUT UP! HE’S HUMAN YOU LIKE YOU PUNKS! we all make mistakes and bad judgements calls from time to time, and lets see what happens!

by Jey Kirk on Mar 2, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Again.

It has nothing to do with the charges in my book.

He’s a bad quartback, who has lost a step, and has accuracy problems.

I would rather see Matt Moore lead this team next season, based on his performance.

by Tater596 on Mar 2, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

I just feel we need a change, I like Matt, and right now he is our best option! Not a bad one at that…

by Jey Kirk on Mar 2, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Vick’s most accurate season as a pro is only 0.9% better than Delhomme’s worst season as a pro.

That’s not the kind of spark I’m looking for.

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok so neither have great accuracy

At least Vick can could make plays with his feet

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Read what I wrote again.

Vick’s best is almost as bad as Jake’s worst

Vick has feet but he’s no leader, Jake has no feet but he’s a damn good leader.

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

A typical drop back passer is nothing without accuracy.

You can be a leader all you want from the sidelines. But on the field a team needs a guy who can get 1st downs, score TDs, and produce wins. If it can’t be done effectively through the air, then let’s hope the dude can scramble.

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme has done all of the above better more often and more recently than Vick.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

And what's with the "Read what I wrote again" line?

Are you going Procto on me? You had 2 lines, not some complicated saga.

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not at all. Sorry if it sounded snarky, in retrospect I see how it could have been interpreted that way.

I honestly thought you misread what I wrote. It’s not that ‘neither have great accuracy’ it’s that even on Vicks best day we’d get the completions of Jake’s worst day.

Furthermore, the Eagles picked up Vick’s roster bonus and we have Matt Moore. Vick is not going to be a Panther

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You are comparing apples to oranges

Vick had over 1000 rushing yards in 06’. And he never had more than 13 INTs in 16 starts, Jake had 18 in 11. So, yeah, the completion percentage would be down, but that’s far from the whole story.

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole story is that Vick can't run like he used to and he could never pass.

So what are we left with? A guy with moderate speed at QB who still can’t throw. AWESOME!

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

You might be right

I wouldn’t at all be surprised. But until he proves that as a starter with real minutes, then we won’t know for sure. Jake on the other hand has proven that in his most recent time as a starter.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

What's the difference?

Vick got his shots with the Eagles. And he was garbage. Since when should competitive NFL teams be in the business of throwing 30-year-old QBs into lineups as starters just to prove that they can’t play.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Garbage is not the difference, its the commonality

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOooooooo

Just had to say it. Not even Vick himself can touch Jake’s worst.
Not that many people can touch Jake’s worst. Maybe JaMarcus Russell’s mediocre day is almost as bad as Jake’s worst.

Just throwing that out there.

by Shockers on Mar 2, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at Vicks best year cmp pct% wise

It is worse than Jakes worst year, do we really want that on our team? As a running QB, he’s lost a step, and we won’t utilize him properly on our team anyways.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 3, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Apples to Oranges

And how do you know we wouldn’t utilize him properly? We’ve had the most immobile QB in the league behind center, what’d you expect them to do?

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally and completely wrong.

There is no stat in the world that would validate that statement. Delhomme is no scrambler, but he’s avoided sacks better than plenty of QBs, including lauded types like Roethlisberger and Warner.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Roethlisberger reall???

He had one of the league’s worst o-lines and won a Superbowl with defenders draped all over him! If you have to be crazy to thing Jake handles pressure better than Roethlisberger.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, you got it.

Roethlisberger’s willingness and keen ability to take sacks means he can “handle pressure.” Got it.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yes, I remember watching Delhomme avoiding sacks from left to right

And of course, Roethlisberger and Warner are both bum QBs that haven’t even won a superbowl, when Delhomme’s proven time and time again!!!

Wow, seriously???

by Shockers on Mar 3, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

He's hardly the most immobile

Jamarcus Russel is more immobile, but that may be because he’s so big. Rivers doesn’t move around a lot either.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We can't utilize Delhome on our team any better

I’m saying if he’s willing to take on a supporting role, he’s more than welcome here.

by Shockers on Mar 3, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And Jake does have some wheels

Washington anyone? Moore’s got wheels too. Plus even if we signed him, would we use him? The wildcat with us is just straight up the gut, get five or so yards. Vick is better on the edge.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 3, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

What?!? Washington was an anomoly

I assume you were just being sarcastic.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, you're just ignoring facts.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

What facts?

That Jake is a great rusher because he made one play? Let’s Poll “Is Jake a good rushing QB because of the Washington game”.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

The facts are that Delhomme can move every bit as much as he needs to.

His footwork and mobility were better last year than at any point I can remember. His rushing numbers compared to the rest of his career bear that out.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

So he's as good as a 1000+ yards rushing QB

Good luck with that one

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I said that.

Good call, chief.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Then what's your point then?

That a terribly immobile QB had his best rushing season? Coincidentally the same season that he was tossing out picks like candy on Halloween?

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

No, Washington was just the best example

Delhomme had a couple nice carries this season, and a pair of touchdown runs last season.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

a good leader understands when he’s not the best man for the job, he does what is necessary to protect his soilders! Jake may be a decent football player, but he’s no leader!

by Jey Kirk on Mar 3, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny, his teammates all disagree with you.

I’m struck with the notion that they know and understand his leadership qualities better than you.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

"He’s a bad quartback, who has lost a step, and has accuracy problems"

The same can be said for Pick6 but atleast Vick is mobile. He offers another dimension that Pick6 does not have or Moore for that matter, but because he killed a few dogs hes a terrible person? So what, that has nothing to do with what he does on the field.

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by D.W.G. on Mar 3, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Vick's 4 YPC last year were hardly impressive.

Which part of his indecisive, unexplosive efforts as a runner last year showed you that he’s “mobile.”

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

as long as

you’re using the name pick6 good luck getting any credibility…

by ClaytonFire on Mar 3, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, what can he do?

I guess it’s unpredictable as to whether he’ll miss his receiver by four yards or six.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

You, um, WANT unpredictability?

So instability at the most important position on the field and arguably in all of sports is good?

by The Kackalack Kid on Mar 5, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Why don't you argue the points made?

1. Nobody said that Delhomme was a better QB than Vick. Jaxon said he would only be a serviceable backup, but we have one already – whether it’s Delhomme or Moore.

2. Believing that a QB is sub-par has nothing to do with a grudge. He never harmed a dog owned by me, nor did I lose any money in his gambling ring – I have no reason to hold a grudge.

3. What part of not signing a guy who wants to play quarterback when he’s not a good quarterback and not a good fit for our offense constitute maintaining a “PC” image?

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 2, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Mediocre, huh?

7th in the NFL in wins since Fox became the coach. Thanks for playing. Vick’s QB rating, completion percentage, and any other QB rate statistic you could name is miles behind Delhomme, whom you hate so much.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Weinke!

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by chinchillas sword on Mar 2, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

lol

the chin is perfect and I need to take notes.

This would attract the national media to the Panthers for all of the wrong reasons. Do not want.

by GoodOl'NorthState on Mar 2, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not just no, but HELL NO!

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by Revshawn on Mar 2, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

hahahahahahahahhaahhaha

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by SouthernPanther on Mar 2, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

He is.

So we’d be not only paying for Vick’s mediocrity, but we’d need to pay the Eagles some kind of compensation, too.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought so. Thanks for clarifying.

I thought he signed a deal with a 2nd year team option, or a straight up 2 year deal. Either way, he is under contract with Philly so we can’t just sign him outright – and I can’t imagine the Panthers giving away anything (draft pick or player) to get Vick.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

2nd year option

And it looks like he will be an Eagle barring trade.

I tell you this though, there is no way that trade is happening with us.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d take Vick for a specialist/gimmick player but nothing more.. At that, though, I’d also take Armanti Edwards..

I guess the best way to put it is, I wouldn’t be mad at the FO for taking a gimmick QB to keep at #3 but I’m pretty indifferent as to which one.

I think Thaddeus Lewis could fill both pocket and scrambling roles at QB.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 2, 2010 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

i'd love to see the "vick in carolina" experiment

but there’s really no reason to get him besides satisfying the whims of my curiosity…

he’s also probably hoping to get a starting spot or at the very least, #2, so i wouldn’t worry about him coming here

by vitzeng on Mar 2, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I definately think

He still sees himself as a starting NFL quarterback, however, I don’t think any teams see him that way.

by Tater596 on Mar 2, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh...

Just because Lewis is black doesn’t mean he can run the ball. Guy can throw on the move, but he’s not somebody you want trying to pick up a 3rd-and-8 on the gorund.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

I won’t even touch the first sentence, though that’s not exactly why I thought he could fill both roles. I was more-so referring to NFLDraftScout.com labeling him a “legitimate threat as a scrambler”.

I agree I wouldn’t exactly want him to go after a 3rd & 8 by design but if the play broke down and it was a last resort, I’d at least feel he had a chance at making it.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I've probably seen more of Lewis than NFLDS.

Dude looked to pass first, second, third, and maybe throw the ball away fourth.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You probably have..

But as you often say… “funny, they would disagree” ;).

Regardless of such, he’s still a QB that I would like to have even if he couldn’t fill both roles.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That they would.

And somebody’s certainly paying them to know a lot more about football than I. However, all one really needs to consult is his stats. On 350 rushes in his career, he totaled -78 yards, and he never had a longer rush than 22 yards! That’s -0.2 yards a carry, and even with sacks out of the equation, it likely wouldn’t look much better. I don’t have the data, but taking this year’s sacks only changes that to 325 carries for 250 yards, or 0.8 YPC. Either way, ugh. He can move around a little (four TDs on the ground this year and nine in his career), but scrambler is not the label that boy needs to get.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha!

Alright, point proven. There’s no point in arguing stats like those.. There’s something about him that makes me want to see him in Carolina… Just one of those things, I suppose. lol

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

don't skew the stats

i know nothing about this guy, but remember that everytime a QB takes a knee at the end of a game or half to run out the clock, it counts as a run for negative yards. he may not be a great runner, but don’t try to use his rushing stats to deceive people.

by usana_gaines on Mar 4, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not.

I’m a Duke football fan. I’ve seen Lewis play many times. We weren’t given the chance to take many knees.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm surprised nobody else touched it.

Close to the comment made by Jimmy the Greek that ended his career on TV.

by bigdavis on Mar 4, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

That's literally the only reason somebody would think he could run the ball.

I’ve watched him play for four years, and he’s not a running quarterback in any way.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Some commitment issues

I would say at least work him out if his reasons for playing for the Panthers were in some way connected to you know football. He likes playing against Atlanta, being close to Atlanta, and our colors.

He doesn’t like the scheme, he doesn’t like the coaches, hell he wouldn’t even be excited about thorwing to Smitthy he just wants to be looking good near his “home” team. If he even had one football reason for playing Panther football I’d give him the benift of the doubt.

And give Ewards some credit guys. He may play for lowly App State but he won 3 of 4 national title games he started so he has cool under pressure in big games and leadership as a 4 year starter. I know he will go very late or not at all, but he has the intanagbles for a good QB. Just my two cents

by bleed_in_blue on Mar 2, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

First off, don’t call App State lowly. Name me any other program in the country that has recently won three National Championships back-to-back-to-back. You can’t do it. Also, Edwards was only in two National Championship games, and he won both of them. He is also the only two-time recipient of the Walter Payton award, the 1-AA equivalent to the Heisman.

by bravesfan91 on Mar 2, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Mount Union.

2000-2002.

And wouldn’t being the best QB in I-AA mean he’s about the 108th best QB in the country? Not impressed.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

108th best? please.

Your I-A elitism is reeking pretty bad right now.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's because it's where the best football players in the country play.

Sam Bradford was for some reason not particularly interested in Georgia Southern or Montana out of high school.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, you think that his production is excellent.

Let’s see if one of those vastly inferior QBs from a real school with vastly inferior production gets picked in front of him at the draft. I somehow feel like it’ll happen.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

That isnt what you said earlier though.

You said he is the 108th best QB in the country. Yes, someone with lower numbers than him over their career or last season will be picked before Edwards, and yes, it will be because they either measure up better as an NFL QB or because they played I-A ball.

But he could whip 90% of the quarterbacks taking the field for a I-A team, and I bet you could ask just about any coach in I-A if they would have liked to have Armanti leading their team, and you’ll get a “yes” most of the time.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny.

Were that really true, you’d have imagined he’d have gotten, you know, an offer from a decent football program.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

No, he didn't.
Clemson Coach Tommy Bowden did not offer him a scholarship because there were bigger, faster and stronger quarterbacks.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

So after his freshman season...

Clemson basically begging for him to transfer doesn’t count?

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you get invited on this conference call?

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Cute.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We DID go to college together.

We had some classes together. It may be cute, but I’m taking it as good info.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

tater, tater, tater

it’s all your fault trying to argue qbs with procto. he evaluates jake from his happy place, and everyone else with his own skewed set of facts. he makes good points about other positions, but arguing with him on qbs is useless. he just doesn’t get it.

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Arguing with MP is like wrestling with a pig in the mud

after a while you realize the pig is enjoying it

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually Procton has a point here...

I would say that 9 times out of 10, a QB goes to a 1-AA school because he couldn’t get into a 1-A lineup.

Doesn’t mean the 1-AA QB’s aren’t any good, but they are 1-AA QB’s for a reason.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe coming out of high school that would be the assumption

But Edwards could have transferred after his freshman season and been a starter at many I-A programs.

He stayed in I-AA, probably because he had just won his first national championship and wanted more… and he got more.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

He could have?

Then why the hell didn’t he? It strikes me that loyalty is not going to keep a guy at Appalachian State if he’s been told he can start for a BCS conference team.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he liked being at App State.

Contrary to your belief MP, not everyone is dieing to go play in I-A.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, I have to agree with MP

If I’m a QB at a 1-AA school, and I win a National Championship my freshman year, and then get offered a full scholarship to start at, say; Ohio State, or Michigan, or Notre Dame, or USC, or Miami – I’m sure I would think long and hard about it before I just said – “No, thanks. I’ll stay in 1-AA and obscurity”.

And I’m just using those schools as examples, I’m not implying that Edwards was offered scholarships to those programs, because I would have no idea what he was and what he was not offered.

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by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not always all about football

And who knows what his motivation was. We are still talking about an 18 or 19 year old kid here at this point. He has made friends in that 1st year, formed close bonds with teammates, and was enjoying himself where he was.

From a football standpoint, yeah maybe it would have been in his best professional interests to go elsewhere. But he didn’t… and regardless of that, we are talking about him now, pro scouts are talking about him, and he is working out at the NFL combine ahead of lots of other I-A players that didn’t even get a look.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Just an interesting quote from Armanti's combine Interview...

Appalachian State QB Armanti Edwards’ response when asked if he regrets not going to an FBS school: “I’m standing up here ain’t I?”

LOL. I love it.

Full “article” here…

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/mobile/news/story?id=4949004

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It'd have been nice if he ever really got the chance, I'm sure.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

you got it wrong

if you could win championships at a 1-AA school, you would get offers from 1-A schools, and he did. you guys are trying to argue that he chose App State over Ohio State or other BCS championship contenders. Tater never said he was approached by USC, Texas or Florida. You made up extra points to tater’s argument, and then argued against what you made up. Tater never said what you guys are saying. don’t make stuff up. and why is it so hard to believe that he would stay at App St. Maybe he was offered scholarships at several schools, but never promised a starting spot. Besides Matt Cassel, who else has ever finished college at a 1-A school, never started a game in college, and got drafted. Edwards is a lot smarter to stay at App State than to go to Florida and back up Tebow, or go to Texas and back up McCoy. Tater never said he turned down offers to start at BCS championship caliber schools. There’s a difference. Pay attention.

by usana_gaines on Mar 3, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he didn't get an offer.

If you’re not good enough to win a job at a real school, that’s an indictment of you as a quarterback to start with.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He did get an offer

He got a few of them after his Freshman season. Of course these offers aren’t official, because they involved transfers, but at a minimum I know Clemson had come knocking.

And, he is good enough to win the job at a “real” school. Just not at every single real school.

by Tater596 on Mar 4, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Loyalty is a forgotten trait

The Panthers get knocked all the time for it, I see no reason why we should knock Edwards for it.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmm....

By lowly I meant disregarded because of the division they play in not the quality of the team. The team is a dynasty in 1-AA football and a blast to watch but even with a win over Michigan a couple of years back they are seen as a small school with a useless football program. Its not the case, but until App State produces some serious NFL stars they can win every title game for the next 50 years and no one will care on draft day.

Edwardswas a four year starter I thought he played in all the title games but none the less a terrific athlete who will get a crap chance in the pros because of super awesome players from real conferences and big schools like JaMarcus Russel and Brady Quin.

by bleed_in_blue on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I know he was a four-year starter. I go to Appalachian. And I do think you need to reconsider using words like “useless” when talking about our football program. It carries a very negative connotation and I don’t appreciate it. It sure as hell isn’t useless to the nearly twenty-nine thousand fans that pack the stadium every Saturday during football season.

by bravesfan91 on Mar 3, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Which 29,000 are those?

App barely averaged 24,000 in attendance this past season. And not even Montana’s 24,500 fans mean that the program is relevant.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But the programs are relevant

And you continuing to belittle them makes you look like a pompous ass.

If they were irrelevant, we would not be talking about how Armanti made it to the NFL combine, because, you know, since the school is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO irrelevant, no scout would EVER look at a player from there.

by Tater596 on Mar 4, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Is Bentley University a relevant program just because they produced one particularly NFL starting guard (Mackenzy Bernadeau)?

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ken Dorsey won a national championship and was a two-time national QB of the year. How's his NFL career gone?

Count me unimpressed with Edwards’ credentials at the junior football level.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Your standards are clearly way to high

If you are not impressed with the accomplishments, accolades, and awards that Armanti Edwards and the App State Football program have achieved during his tenure there… well you are just wrong.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it's great.

Sort of like it’s great for the AAA champions every season in baseball. They’re the best at their level, it’s just not anywhere close to the peak of the sport.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of them don't.

Just like truly great players don’t need to play in I-AA.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Jerry Rice?

Steve McNair?
Terrel Owens?
Steve Smith?

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Steve Smith?

The one who played in the Mountain West at Utah?

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The one who had to start at Santa Monica JC and work his way up.

It’s just proof that some of the greats DO start out small.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, you'll note he got some attention because he was good enough to play at the highest level of the game.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

You'll also note that he started smaller than even a I-AA program

You argument was that the best of the best never spent any time playing small time ball.

And I gave just a small list of examples to prove that isn’t true.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

My argument was that the best of the best get the chance to compete at the highest level.

Edwards wasn’t even offered that chance.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

OK...

Owens stayed at I-AA so that he could play basketball and run track. I-A schools weren’t going to give him that opportunity. Further, he wasn’t a particularly great receiver even when he first entered the league. He had fewer than 120 receptions and 2000 yards in his entire college career, and managed just 12 TDs total. Add that to his unremarkable rookie season, and he clearly became the player he did only upon reaching the pros.

McNair went to Alcorn State because they were going to let him play QB. He wasn’t ready to play QB at I-A, and that showed when he took several years to develop into anything more than an average QB at the NFL level.

Rice simply got missed because of his lack of high-end speed. Nobody could have predicted he could be so great without that fundamental skill at the position. So one in 25+ years. It seems like elite players residing at levels below I-A is the exception, not the rule.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I could find plenty of examples if I needed to

You’re only counting Rice, but all 3 listed have had very productive NFL careers. You can count or not count Smith based on whatever criteria… he was listed to point out that sometimes you do have to start small to get big.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

You throw a bone to a productive college player.

He deserves the chance to compete against the best. But he either didn’t get or turned down that chance before, and that’s telling.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he made a commitment to App State and had the integrity to stick by it

He could have played I-A ball if he wanted to. Especially after his freshman season. But he had the integrity to stick by his original commitment.

He let his play shine so brightly at this “lower level of college football” that now the pros are anxious to figure out a way to use his talents.

We can agree to disagree, but the fact is, he has been ridiculously productive, could have played “big school ball”, and no I-A coach in the country would tell you any different.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

On a side note… it was fun seeing Derek Jeter play for the 1-A Greensboro Bats back in the day.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

heck yeah it was!

Man i miss games at War Memorial.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Newbridge Bank Park though… that is the nicest small stadium I have ever seen.

Thirsty Thursday’s don’t hurt either.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you in Greensboro James?

Yeah. the new park is awesome. I do not like that they changed the team name though.

Attendance is absurd by minor league levels though, which is great for them.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

The city certainly deserves better than a low A team.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep… I’m in G’boro

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Thirsty Thursdays are a sham at this point.

Makes me want to cry that they so limit the promotions: “Cheap beer! Until the game actually starts. Sorry if you’ve got work or anything.”

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait... they changed thirsty Thursdays!

That’s horrible.

At least you can still go to Natty’s directly and get the same deal.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it new this season?

Because last year the beer flowed all game long at the lower price.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would yall rather have as a starter? Jake or Vick?

No doubt in my mind Moore should have his shot at the job next year. However take him out of the equation and things get a bit more interesting. Jake is coming off his worst season ever, nearly leading all starters in turn overs. Vick on the other hand seems a bit washed up, but we don’t really know what he can still do. I will say Vick pre-prison is far better than Jake last year. And when accuracy fails you, at least he use to be able to make plays with his feet. I think I’d lean towards Vick.

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

Jake

Vick couldn’t play QB before incarceration… and I don’t think the federal penn taught him how to.

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He's unorthadox

At the end of the day it’s whether or not you made plays, not how you made them

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

47-48-1

Falcon’s record during Vick’s period there.

Compared to Jake’s 64-48.

I think I’d rather Delhomme’s brand of playmaking to Vick’s, which requires an entire offense built around him. Think it’s a coincidence that Roddy White has had three 1,000 yard seasons since Vick’s departure?

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If the question was who would you rather have 5 years ago

Then I’d completely agree with you. But I don’t think Jake has been right since his surgery. And almost every defensive coordinator seems to have him figured out. With that being said I’d rather see what .500 ATL Vick can do with a much better Panther running game.

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It goes both ways though. We still have no clue if Vick has retained any of his quickness and elusiveness since his absence from the league.

I really wish I knew what the fascination with Michael Vick now is. I get what he was in 2003/2004 but he just came off a season where he threw just 13 passes, completing only 6 of them and rushing for an average of 4 ypc. Well under his previous low and less than half his best.

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by James Dator on Mar 2, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not a fascination

It’s that I set the bar really low with my question. I guess it shows how little some of us think that Jake can actually bounce back.

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not about Jake bouncing back though. We have Matt Moore on the roster for a reason.

The more accurate argument would be Michael Vick v. Matt Moore… because Vick doesn’t want to be a backup, he wants to start.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm sure we most all agree on Vick vs Moore

Can you imagine the uproar if the Panthers traded Moore for Vick :)

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be obscene.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

You're kidding, right?

The Falcons were a far superior rushing team to the Panthers.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

But only with Vick at QB ;)

Thanks for proving our point

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, right.

So if Vick were running 15 times a game, then Stewart and Williams wouldn’t lose any carries or production. Maybe we’d just abandon the pass altogether. Could be just the offense Vick needed to succeed…five years ago.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Asshat James or whom ever

I guess you banned macattak great. like i care. have fun when I choose to post I will.

and to south tunnel:
I did read the post but we all know these things get jumpy…. I do disagree with ever splitting Double Trouble from other post. I just dont think Vick is near the QB of Jake and do agree to let Moore start.

James can retain the village idiot post I gave him from his Jake worship back in the beginning of the season.

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Your first account was warned… not banned. Check it again.

If you want to discuss this like an adult, feel free to email me. If your chosen method of communication is calling people ‘asshats’ then by all means continue and be banned.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Vick.

Based solely off of the 2009 season, that is.

Looking over the twos careers, I’d go with Jake.

The only reason I’d go with Vick is having that extra mobility.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 2, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember him and Dunn lining up against us

And he’d stick the ball in Dunn’s gut, sometimes hand it off, sometimes pull the ball back in and take off… It’d be interesting to see him doing that stuff with DWill and Beef Stew.

Of course all the aguments here are going to be based on his skils as a typical drop back passer. Vick was NEVER that. But its short sighted to say he didn’t make plays in his own ways.

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by southtunnel on Mar 2, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget the EGO

This guy still thinks He’s GOOD, in his mind he’s still 5 years back… He’s going to want the attention and the credit. The question will be, WILL he hand it off, or will he keep it- because he’s the star.

Never had accuracy, and now he’s slower, but he doesn’t believe that, and he’s not gotten smarter, so what does he really bring to the table other than a “mystique”, and is that really worth 5 million a year to screw up your team. HONESTLY, this is a dumb conversation at best. Lets bring in the “galloping ghost”….

by toonman on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

You are probably right

But remember we were comparing him to Jake.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

For all his flaws

Agreed, but still- Jake’s a team player. Not his fault Fox believed in him entirely too long. And I honestly believe he was trying to win. Something was definitely off, and he admitted it. Jake mans up.

by toonman on Mar 3, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

He was also an athletic specimen the likes of which the league has never seen.

Sorry, but you’re kidding yourself if you watched him last year and believe those skills still exist.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

HA HA

they didn’t seem to be there, and maybe that accounts for their limited use. If the Eagles really thought he was the weapon he used to be, certainly even they would’ve used him more.

by toonman on Mar 3, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did you SEE his 2009?

He was garbage despite being put in a position specifically tailored for his abilities and his success.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That's true.

But anything that didn’t include turning the ball over looked a bit more promising, to me.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Who would yall rather have as a starter? Jake or Vick?

I’m in complete agreement with you southtunnel. I think your analysis is right on the money. I feel exactly the same way. If I see Jake out there starting next year, my heart is going to sink to the floor. I’m reasonably sure most other Panther fans will feel the same way.

Another thing too. I’ve really liked John Fox ever since he came to Carolina. He’s done tremendous things for our franchise. But if he starts Jake next year in spite of all the bullxxxx we had to watch last year, I think I’ll also be ready to see a coaching change. I hope to God it doesn’t come to that.

by jmanders2009 on Mar 2, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take him to, just because I've lost confidence in Jake

But I don’t think Vick would get us to the playoffs.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Whereas we've seen Vick's confidence-inspiring play of last year and DEMAND him on the roster!

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobodies demanding anything for him

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

He started Peppers last year in spite of all of the bullshit he produced in '07.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme 100% of the time.

Everything about Delhomme, his offenses, and his teams have been more successful than Vick. And since you’re only willing to credit Delhomme’s most recent season, I’d suggest that you note Vick’s most recent results.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you refering to 1 start verses Jake's 11?

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm referring to his whole season.

He was, at best, mediocre every chance he got.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

About Vick coming to Carolina

I don’t know. I’ve thought about it a good bit since watching this interview. One of the things I needed to see was how Michael was carrying himself these days. Aside from all the apologizing which has already been done, I wanted to see what his attitude and demeanor were like now that he’s been out of prison for a while. I have to say, I was pleased with what I saw in the interview. Rather than acting like he’s been screwed and carrying a chip on his shoulder, he seemed to me to be quite humble. What he was involved with was horrible, and it hurts to think about it. But he’s paid his dues for that. He’s already been punished for his crimes. We really should give him a chance to show that he realizes that what he did was wrong and that he’s left all that behind.

In spite of what some have said here, I believe that Vick still has the potential to be a superstar quarterback in the NFL. Not only that, but he stills has speed along with a natural ability to make big plays. With De Angelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart in the backfield, you can only imagine the prospects of holy terror for defenses. Furthermore, if he can get his passing accuracy back up to par, he would have some great receivers to go to in Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad. If you’ll remember, he was also quite effective going to his tight ends when he was with Atlanta. That could be a huge help to us as well.

I’ve got to say, I can get a whole lot more excited thinking about Vick being our QB than I can about Jake. But I also think that we can’t discount Matt Moore. He did a good job in those last few games of the season. If anybody deserves a shot at the position, he does. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

Looking back on last season as a whole though, I don’t see how Vick’s possibly coming here couldn’t put a spark in most Panther fans, if only a temporary one.

by jmanders2009 on Mar 2, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

It was never up to par

He’d be improving if it was up to Double Bogey.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

"Back up to par?"

His passing sucks just as much as it always has. He was effective going to tight ends because he couldn’t throw farther than eight yards with any semblance of accuracy.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I see no problem here...

MV7 for a 4th rd pick = profit…

ROFL…

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by NaGaNole on Mar 2, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

NO VICK.......NOT EVER!!

Aside from the total thug mentality & selfishness; Vick is simply not a very good QB. If Hurney & co. have the audacity to actually sign Vick to a contract; they will have lost many of their loyal fans. I, for one; would never support an organization that would give a pass to that type of human being. His character is horrible, and we don’t need his type in Charlotte. As for Jake’s demise; if you go back to the change in offensive coordinators and the play-calling; you’ll see the beginning of Jake’s problems. i don’t think the surgery has been the problem at all.

by koala on Mar 2, 2010 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

Yet Moore did fine under Davidson, as did Jake in 2008

Its not the OCs fault that you cannot protect the ball, especially when your backup can go 5 games with only 2 picks.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes it is

I saw totally different play-calling when Moore was in the game. When Jake was in; there was a lot of long downfield passes called, as opposed to many short possession passes while Moore was in. Also; the running game seemed to be used more expeditiously with Moore than with Jake. I believe Davidson purposely had Jake running plays he knew were detrimental to his assets. Don’t ask me why; but I believe he wants to see Jake’s tenure in Carolina shortened……and he has succeeded in that. Jake never called the plays or changed them; except for 2 minute drills; and in those he was very successful. I still blame the OC…..mostly.

by koala on Mar 3, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Throwing downfield has always been Fox's forte

That’s nothing new to this offense. John Fox is all about playing defense, running the ball and throwing down field. And Jake has always been his guy to deliver those deep passes.

Smitty’s avg yards per catch was 18.2 in 08’. It dropped to 10 with Jake in 09’… But then more than doubled when Moore came in.

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Moore did throw downfield less

but I can’t see how that impacts Jake

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

this is just absurd

you have invented a conspiracy where you think the OC was intentionally trying to sabotage jake, and that he secretly wanted jake gone. this is the OC who got fired from cleveland, and was on the hot seat all year. you think he risked his job because he doesn’t like jake. that is absurd.

by usana_gaines on Mar 3, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

“I saw totally different play-calling when Moore was in the game.”

I saw similar play-calling with totally different execution.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Mostly I agree with what you say - OC can only call a play - QB (and the others involved) have to execute their parts of it to succeed.

However, I think there were more roll-outs to the right when Moore was the QB, to take advantage of his experience and success doing that in college. Though he missed a few passes to Smith (overthrown, right sidelines, 10-15 yd patterns), he did connect on twice as many, for first downs and more. It’s very effective to have a QB who can throw on the run like that, to offset a strong pass rush. I don’t recall that ever being a strong part of Jake’s game.

So there was some personalization of play-calling, IMO.

by bigdavis on Mar 4, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 on the roll outs and personalization of playcalling.

  I agree also that really helped the O-Line offset some strong pass rush teams in the latter part of the season.

by paydirt16 on Mar 4, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right about that..

Which, to be honest, kind of left me speechless seeing some plays called that matched our strengths.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't they try to not let Jake throw downfield after the 1st month of catastrophe?

They tried letting him throw, not letting him throw, running more no huddles, etc. Nothing consistently changed until Moore came in.

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by southtunnel on Mar 4, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh...

When you consider that off-the-field character issues include work ethic and conducting yourself in a such a way as to inspire confidence and trust in others, it has a great deal to do with getting your teammates to produce, as well as yourself.

by The Kackalack Kid on Mar 5, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't disagree more.

When you’re on the field, it’s time to play ball. You shouldn’t be playing for your friend Joe over there, you should be playing for the pride you have in yourself.

When you’re off the field, I couldn’t care less what you do. I’m not the one to judge another being.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 6, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Moore>Vick>Jake

oh hey, there’s our depth chart right there.
but as long as Vick is willing to take on a supporting role, he is more than welcome here.

by Shockers on Mar 3, 2010 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

In all honesty.....

Vick in our backfield with J-Stew or D. Williams hell even Smitty would bring a look and a complexity that would breath some life into our 3rd and long call a draw play offense. Vick for all his past transgressions was very well behaved in Philly and played decently when he was in the games. Personally looking back at the playoff game vs Dallas he was moving the offense well and on the touchdown pass he threw be it blown coverage or not he made the throw. I could care less about his past crimes prisons are built as a means to redeem ones self or be damned to continue your errors and suffer the reality that you cannot be a active member of society. Time served hard time served when you look at guys like Stallworth and Little getting slaps on the wrist for killing someone due to their stupid self indulgences. I never condone what Vick did I love my dog and it was tragic but I cannot punish him or condemn him like so many people I see try to do. In Carolina as a solid backup either in front of or behind Jake is fine with me, He is 30 still has good life in him and for two years no one really tackled him unless he dropped the soap. He was and still could be productive and our offense could use some wrinkles or looks that will force defenses to consider hot to line up against us. 8 man fronts would be a big no no if he is lined up back there and as good as Williams and Stewart are at breaking tackles imagine how good they would be if Vick was lined up wildcat with them and d coordinators had to think more about run vs pass.

by RazorbackBrave80 on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

Donte Stallworth did not kill anyone.

He was involved in the death of a jaywalker who did not fulfill his responsibility to protect his own life.

As for Vick, he also didn’t run farther than 20 yards at a clip, he didn’t read a defense, and he didn’t throw a pass to a receiver running a route for those two years. Think that had a positive development on his career?

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me remind you

that a manslaughter is definitely a homicide.

So I’m guessing it’s the jaywalker’s fault for not being able to protect his own life? bwahahahaha

by Shockers on Mar 3, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, it is partially the jaywalker's fault

As a pedestrian it is your responsibility to look out for oncoming traffic.

I’m not condoning DUI by any means, but it’s not like Stallworth purposely ran over the man.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When he go into his car with a .126 blood alcohol level (.08 is the legal limit in FL and most of the country) he became a danger to every pedestrian in his view even those on the side walks. A seriously drunk man killed a man who failed to use a cross walk. One committed a misdemeanor and lost his life the other committed two felonies and served a month in jail and lost a small fortune because the first man was “partially” at fault.

by bleed_in_blue on Mar 3, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand that...

But Stallworth didn’t hit a pedestrian on the sidewalk. He hit a man who was in the middle of the road. A man who was not under the influence could have done the same thing. His alcohol level didn’t necessarily cause the accident.

I agree that driving under the influence is wrong – I’ve lost a family member because someone had too much to drink and created an accident. But, my belief still remains: as a pedestrian, it’s your job to look both ways before you cross the street.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This wasnt just a side street either...

He was trying to run across the middle of a busy avenue.

As noted, even a sober person stood a good chance of hitting and killing him.

Stallworth was and is not a dangerous person, and did not warrant significant jail time. He did everything he could to cooperate with authorities, everything he could for the victims family, and showed absolute genuine remorse for the whole ordeal.

These are not the people you lock up and throw away the key.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This, a million times over.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, I know what you mean

MP was saying Stallworth didn’t kill anyone. I’m just telling him like it is.

by Shockers on Mar 3, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell it however you want.

I won’t blame the driver when I run across a busy street.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You won't blame anyone.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I was going to say because he'd be dead

But that works too.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Well then lets just kill every person we see jaywalking seeing as how you don’t think they deserve to live. Hell its not murder its there own damn fault for not looking for drunk drivers. We have to protect our drunk drivers from these pesky jaywalkers who foolishly trust drivers not to drink and drive on the highways.

If Stallworth was remotely human he would use his vast wealth to hire a driver to take him from bar to hotel.

by bleed_in_blue on Mar 3, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally on board with that idea.

Living in Charleston and working down town, I almost kill a college kid a day. Improperly using cross walks, riding their bikes the wrong direction down a one way street while texting, JAYWALKING in traffic. (this is not hyperbole) Some of these idiots should be culled to teach society personal responsibility. (This kinda is hyperbole)

As far as Stalllworth: 1. He did not lie to Goodell and make him and the NFL look foolish. He admitted his crime and tried to make reparations.

2. He was not funding and housing an illegal drunk driving ring. He was doing something criminally stupid that a majority of young and old Americans have been doing for years.

3. We are not talking about picking him up, even though we need a WR. I realize he is with the Ravens, but his name never came up on these boards the way Vick’s does.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 4, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

did not kill anyone?

A man is dead, family lives were changed and impacted by his actions.He knew he had too much to drink yet he drove and struck a man,albeit, he was jaywalking had he been sober Stallworth may have been able to avoid him. Responsibility to protect his own life, Stallworth was not responsible to call a cab or one of the nfl’s provided services to come pick him up and he killed this man. Him and Little killed people by their foolish actions, community service, drug awareness and AA, heavy fines blah blah blah its petty and small compared to what Vick was charged and sentenced time for. I love my dog I was just as angry when I heard the news but I cannot place human life over a dog. Yes there were other charges brought against him but everyone gets their panties in a bunch more for the dogs then what he was truly sentenced for. I can’t punish him for it and I see people do it often on many blogs wishing he be killed in the same manner as the dogs,come on people, there are certain levels of sick that should not be tolerated even on a blog site. I even read the stuff posted about Tiger Woods no wonder foreign countries laugh at us as a nation. Here he and Vick are apologizing repeatedly, Tiger robotically from a greatly written but poorly acted script because we elevate athletes, movie stars, and the likes as human beings to statuses that honestly at the end of the day last I checked they are human despite their talents. Vick can say he sorry till hes blue in the face work, with a thousand animals ,donate a million checks to the SPCA and PETA the rest of his football career and at the end of the day the reality of it is he much like Tiger has to face himself when its all said and done. Public image, fan disapproval, “I’m selling my season tickets I’m ripping Tiger’s poster off my wall,” for what because he let me down I thought he was good guy. Seriously did him or Vick for that matter every once come out and say wow were upstanding citizens yes tell your kids look up to me marvel at how great I swing a club or how fast I run or make a Matrix like jump for a touchdown that still wrenches at my soul by the way, hell no! We should give two craps about Woods apology we should care less about Vick the dog murderer but we all act like we eat dinner with these people grew up with them know their families thus we feel entitled to condemn them. Woods owes Elin and her family apologies, his family, his sponsors, but to say they were poor role models they let kids down, where the hell are we as parents where our kids have to feel these people are worthy role models when they can be flawed and corrupted just as easily as we can. Stallworth and Little are to men that took human lives but they play barely make waves in the media world since after the events that took human lives yet guys like Vick and Tiger are treated like whipping boys on every blogger site in America. Let it go, if he can bring a wrinkle in this offense and be even somewhat dynamic its worth a shot vs 3rd and 20 lets call a draw play vs lets line him wih Williams/Stewart or Smith back there and watch D coordinators sweat as they try to decide who do I cover?

by RazorbackBrave80 on Mar 3, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to the blog razorback

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Which laws did Tiger Woods break, exactly? What living creature did he kill due to his deliberate, willful actions?

And what wrinkles is Vick capable of creating? He certainly didn’t help the Eagles last year.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Woods and Wrinkles

Vick may or may not be able to create a wrinkle, he had moments on the eagles where he made plays and scored touchdowns. He was not dynamic but it would allow Jeff Davidson to be a bit more creative with the option of Vick. The whole reason I bring up Woods is because much like Vick he is taking a lot of heat that honestly at this point should not be warranted. I feel you do your time and if you make good of your life afterwards so be it but if not back to jail you go. As I stated before if I was meant to condemn Mike Vick then I surely would not be hear writing about it in a blog. The fact that I mention Stallworth and Leonard Little is because for all the crap Vick has recieved on numerous blog sites not just this one but several and the little mentioned about these two who be it the other parties fault or not received a tap on the butt and you messed up son go sit on the bench run some laps and we will talk about it later.

by RazorbackBrave80 on Mar 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Negative

If i am contributing to a conversation and stimulating it in a productive manner, how is my comment negative?

by RazorbackBrave80 on Mar 8, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't saying you were negative..

Hang around long enough and you’ll understand what he means.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 8, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I see.....

I’ll be here a lot hopefully I will see exactly what you are talking about.

by RazorbackBrave80 on Mar 9, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

PC image be damned!!

Bring in Mike Vick!!! I would love to see him on the Panthers. He is a much better option at Qb than Delhomme, Cantwell, Feely, McCown, etc.

by mives36 on Mar 3, 2010 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

Definitely.

Look at how studly he was last year!

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Im tired of you haters!

I’m sick and tired of people saying Mike Vick is just a terrible QB. Last I remember, when he played he killed the Panthers consistently. Don’t everyone act like he didn’t because he definitely did. I’m not saying he will be the same as years prior, but he can provide something whether it be scrambling or something different.

To even compare Jake Delhommo to Vick is nuts to me. Jake was by far the worst QB in the NFL this season. PERIOD. There were at least 4 to 5 losses that could have been attributed to Jake alone. And to be honest, you have to be terrible to throw that many interceptions in our kind of offense. We run the ball and do short routes, and a QB should not have that many INT’s in that kind of offense. I could understand if we had the Cardinals offense, but we don’t.

I’m definitely tired of people bringing up Vick’s stats like he was one of the worst QB’s in history. First off, he must not have been bad to lead Atlanta deep in the playoffs his first two years. The way he plays can’t be defined statistically in the traditional QB system, that are the facts. Secondly, somebody name a top WR on those Atlanta teams. The only decent one you can think of is Algie Crumpler, who is playing very well in Tennessee (sarcasm). And thirdly, I wouldn’t base last year as the new Mike Vick. He was playing behind Donovan, who is one of the best in the league. He also was not in NFL shape as he was in prison. So the truth is we don’t know how good he is right now.

I’m definitely tired of people bringing up dogfighting and animals. Look, dogifghting is highly prevalent in NC, and its a shame. What he did was bad, but the way people blew it up was just ridiculous to me. It is law that you would get less time for being a Child Molester than killing dogs. I don’t know about you guys, but I would rather my dog be killed than my little girl getting molested. BUT THATS BESIDE THE POINT. If you hate what he did then thats fine, but I want to base our decision on whether to get Vick on football. Again, base it on FOOTBALL.

Look at our QB stuation and lets be real for the moment. Delhommo was the worst QB in the league this season and in many eyes, still is. The fact that we played him made our organization look like a joke. To me, he was more of a distraction than Julius because he sucked so much. I like Matt Moore, but we do need somebody else to challenge him. And we can wish on free-agency, but chances are we are not going to make a big splash in free-agnecy. It is also fact that Hurney and Fox hates to draft QB’s.

So would Vick help our QB situation? Nobody knows for sure. I certainly do not think that he would hurt though. Our offense has become predictable and defenses has sniffed it out. Vick would bring something for defensive coordinators to study, and he may (if he gets back into shape) be able to open up our offense by his scrambling.

And for Procton, you always take up for Jake Delhomme when he is consistently bad. Then you hate on Vick because you say his completion percentage sucks?? HEY PROCTON, GO TO BURGER KING AND EAT A WHOPPER AND SHUT UP!!!

Quote Da Kid, Nevermore….

You can quote that!!!!

by Da Kid Long on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not hating - it's being accurate.

Vick is not a good QB, and he would not help this Panthers team any more than Matt Moore or Jake Delhomme would. That’s just fact.

It has nothing to do with dogfighting – he’s just not a good quarterback anymore, if he ever was a “quarterback”. I always thought of him as a glorified tailback who could somewhat throw the football.

To name a top WR on Atlanta’s roster: Roddy White. Oh wait, he was only a top receiver after Vick left. My bad.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Vick’s a great football player… just a horrible QB.

There’s no statistical evidence to prove otherwise.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no statistical evidence to prove that he's any kind of great player other than QB

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Career 7.2 yard per carry average at least shows he’s a better runner than a passer.

Make him an RB, or a kick returner… after all he’s 6 inches and 30 lbs heavier than Darren Sproles.

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by James Dator on Mar 3, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol...good one

put some hamburger in his drawers!

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then he's not great anywhere.

Because he’s certainly not a great QB.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

"Killed the Panthers consistently?"

How do you figure, exactly? In Vick’s last two years (after Thomas Davis was drafted), the Falcons went 1-3 against the Panthers, with Vick totaling 535 passing yards, 2 TDs, and 5 INTs to go with 107 yards and 0 TDs on the ground. Count me unimpressed.

As for this season, JaMarcus Russell was easily a worse player than Delhomme in every way imaginable. And there were zero games that could have been attributed to any player “alone.” Football is a team sport.

As for a top receiver on those Falcons teams with Vick, how about Roddy White? He went from NFL afterthought to three-time 1000-yard receiver. What did it take? Competent quarterbacking and a guy with the ability to throw the ball more than eight yards downfield with any sense of accuracy. THAT was what made Crumpler so successful. He was the one catching all those 4-8 yard passes.

Finally, as to our “predictable offense” which has been “sniffed out,” it’s a wonder that we’ve been among the NFL’s leading rushers in consecutive years and our two lead backs have been among the most productive in football given that our offense is so easy to predict.

P.S.: Vick’s completion percentage sucks. His best season would rank behind no fewer than six seasons from Delhomme.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

To put this in perspective...

Roddy White was more successful with Joey Harrington at QB than he was with Vick under center.

Considering the fact that Harrington is frequently associated with other QB draft busts, I’d say that is very telling of Mikey’s ability to play the quarterback position.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

cute

it’s funny how the only real jake lover makes a point by saying jake was eaily better than jamarcus russell. you’re right. you win. because of that fact, he is better than vick and moore. he should start. everyone should listen to you and shut up.

by usana_gaines on Mar 4, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He wants to come here because of the UNIFORMS!

If this is where this guy’s priorities are, why the hell do we think he has his life together enough to be a competent NFL quarterback?

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

I prefer the black ones!

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I personally want Jordan to change the Bobcats to the Carolina Cougars

Just so we can have some Cougar throw backs ;)

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Bobcats, Panthers, Cougars...

The real reason Vick wants to come here, is because judging by team names… we look like cat lovers.

by Tater596 on Mar 3, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

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by southtunnel on Mar 3, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Bring in Mike Vick, even at his best Delhomme has never been as good as Vick, Vick was a superstar and can be again , give him some time and a starting job, so tired of Carolina having a unknown offense except for Steve Smith.

by Brandon Gressette on Mar 3, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

No, no and no. And if Williams/Stewart are unknowns, I say we stick with the unknowns.

by hunt! on Mar 3, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You're totally right.

Hooray 50% accuracy superstars!!! He was unbelievably good last year!

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he just wants to be on the winning side of the food chain (for once).

I don’t think that the cat-based teams are better than the bird-based teams, but maybe Vick does. Which doesn’t make sense to me, because I thnk Tweety does pretty well for himself.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

by panther no panth on Mar 3, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

I like the uniforms

That is a pretty hilarious reason for wanting to play for a team. I know he has others, but that one stood out to me. I am all for the Panthers bringing Vick in…as long as he doesn’t demand big money.

"I could never be a thug, they don't dress this well." - Malice

by Julius Coxswain on Mar 3, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, he does have others.

It’s close to Virginia and we’re in Atlanta’s division.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This pissing contest is too much for me to handle. I can’t read all the comments.

by tarheelfan on Mar 3, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Let me sum it up for you

Apparently Vick is not very good anymore, some feel he never was. The majority of Panther fans do not want to sign him. Some due to his value (or lack thereof) as a QB, others because of what he did to those animals.

Moot point if you ask me. Richardson would rather give his heart back then sign QB7.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 3, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Extreme, yes

but as you stated, probably true.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you imagine that scenario?

Hurney: So Big Cat, we have a chance to sign Vick.

Richardson: WHAT!?! I’d rather give my heart back than sign that guy.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 3, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

lol...yes it is tarheelfan

I would have never imagined he would generate so much discussion/vitriol with a single simple comment….but I am finding it humorous

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by Jaxon on Mar 3, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This whole thread is reason to not bring Vick in

The fact that we are having this vehement of a discussion means he’s not worth the trouble it would take to bring him in.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll agree with that..

While I’m not against Vick being a specialist/gimmick for us, you’re right in he not being worth it. Between Delhomme and Moore, we’ll have our QB next year.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 4, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

so who would you rather have...

Kevin Kolb vs. Matt Moore
Michael Vick vs. Daunte Culpepper

by usana_gaines on Mar 4, 2010 5:17 AM EST reply actions  

Kolb vs. Moore

Kolb lit up opposing defenses last season, while Vick lit up the bench.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 4, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Why compare Kolb to Vick?

The question of comparison was Kolb v Moore.

In that comparison, Kolb had a candle to Moore’s high-beam flashlight.

Kolb had a QB rating for 2009 of 88.9; Moore’s was 98.5. Their YPA were about the same, 7.7 to 7.6 But Kolb threw 4 TDs and had 3 INTs — Moore was 8 and 2 for the year. In 2 starts, Kolb had a W-L of 1-1 — Moore was, lest we forget, 4-1.

Kolb only lit up the 4-12 Chiefs, who had the 30th ranked defense in the league.

http://www.nfl.com/players/kevinkolb/gamelogs?id=KOL105037

I know Kevin Kolb, Senator — he’s no Matt Moore.

by bigdavis on Mar 4, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

My oops.

I thought we were talking about who would we rather see in our camp.I was supporting the idea of Moore and a FA QB Eagle in camp rather than a QB other than Moore QB and the other probable FA QB Eagle. I totally agree with you otherwise.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 4, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for the typos. I promise to preview my posts.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 4, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 again Big D, this time on Kolb vs Moore...... I guess brilliant minds think alike ;-)

I’ve followed Kolb’s career closely from the start and I got to see all of Moore’s starts last season….its a no brainer for me …. I’d much rather have Moore. With that said, I do like Kolb and think he may become a legit NFL starter one day, but he is still somewhat in the “project stage” at this point in his career and your correct that he has yet to show success against a formidable opponent..

by paydirt16 on Mar 4, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

You're a Philly guy

If you agree with me on this, I feel all puffed up :-)

by bigdavis on Mar 4, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

my logic

the reason i asked the question is that it seems like, from the rumor mill of course, that the eagles want to hand the franchise over to kolb based on his couple games. they seem more confident in him than foxy is about moore. we have these discussions because we hear the eagles are gonna get rid of vick, not kolb. and i just threw culpepper’s name in there cuz every year, someone predicts he returns to form.

by usana_gaines on Mar 4, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

TRUE, TRUE

and i like it. and we have money for another DE (maybe Kampman), WR (maybe a trade for Boldin, Redskins just cut Randle El), or to just sign some other guys to better deals.

by usana_gaines on Mar 5, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Fine bravesfan91 and Shockers.

   As I don’t believe in god, I don’t believe in sin. Therefore I do not care about morals, since those are a higher power’s rules interpreted by spiritual leaders and passed on to man.
   I do however believe in ethics. Ethically Mike Vick is a douchebag. If you want to call me a douchebag too for judging Vick, well that is fine.
   But I am not trying to be the quarterback for the Carolina Panthers.
   How about we get someone who is not a douchebag. Can we not agree that there has to be somebody available that is as good as some perceive Vick to be that will not totally divide the fan base. Lifelong Phily fans are devastated that Vick was brought to their team. Some friends and family of mine stopped watching the Eagles and started rooting for the Panthers because they are such a class organization. I hope the Cats don’t let these new found fans down. Let’s just get someone else.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 4, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

seriously?

i don’t understand how anyone can stop watching the eagles over vick when he’s not half the douchebag as andy reid. reid is the worst of them all. i don’t understand why the hell is two grown-ass 20-something sons were still living with him. then they were getting high and drunk, driving drunk and selling drugs from the house. their unemployed douchebag asses were selling drugs from reid’s house, and all he can say is he didn’t know it was going on. well vick wasn’t home during the regular season and said he didn’t know that people were dogfighting in his house. serious investigation proved he was lying, but you think reid was telling the truth? if he was telling the truth, and had no idea what his children were doing, isn’t that just as absurd. vick killed dogs. drug dealers commit crimes against people.

by usana_gaines on Mar 4, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Vick aside

I pretty much agree with you dead on about Andy Reid.

I know coaches don’t see their families much, but it takes a special kind of ******* in my mind to ignore his kids cries for help and continue coaching and being absent while their lives are spinning out of control.

Andy Reid’s kids are on the track to life in prison and he doesn’t step away from the game.
Bill Cowher’s daughter is going to college and he steps away from the game.

Pretty big difference from the two PA coaches.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James Dator on Mar 4, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah what he says is accurate, but let me add......

there was a series of off the field events and some awful front office decisions that preceded the Vick signing that had alot of folks disenchanted with the organization, and then the Vick signing was the final straw. I would estimate the Eagles lost about 25% of their fan base with the Vick signing. For most of us it wasn’t a matter of lack of forgiveness or passing judgement on another person. Instead it was simply alot of us just honestly lost the passion and the pride we had for the organization.

by paydirt16 on Mar 4, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what led me away

I finally had enough. I’ve always been a Panthers “fan” because they’re the local team, but mid 2008 I couldn’t take pulling for the Eagles any more. Andy Reid finally did me in.

Draft Gilyard!

by BW Smith on Mar 5, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

instead of vick

okay, so if we really wanted vick, we would have to trade for him, and he’d want starter money, and a chance to be the starter. well if we’re willing to trade for a guy who hasn’t done much in the last couple years, wants a chance to start, has a strong arm, and is a very good runner, then we should trade for dennis dixon, not vick. but i think we’re gonna go with moore, mccown and cantwell, and that’s it.

by usana_gaines on Mar 5, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Vick

Hey I think that Vick is still a great player. If Carolina wants him, “two thumbs up”

by Steve,n,NC on Mar 8, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

They paid his bonus

But they still have him on the block for a second rounder.

If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.

-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Mar 8, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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