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Source says Panthers will seek extension with DeAngelo Williams

ESPN insider Len Pasquarelli reports that the Carolina Panthers will seek a contract extension with their Pro Bowl running back. This sentiment is echoed by beat writer Darin Gantt who says (in response to a question about Pasquarelli's report): 

Trust Len always. I think both sides want to

During this youth movement and lack of commitment from the Panthers it seems surprising that they are perhaps willing to make their largest commitment now of all times. Many fans and insiders have prognosticated that the Panthers wont we able to afford contract extensions for both DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, but is this part of a master plan?

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Based on their production I have said for a long time that both Williams and Stewart will be looking at a contract similar to what Steven Jackson got in St. Louis (6 years, $44.08 million). If this does indeed ring true, coupled with a possible reduction to the salary cap it would be very difficult to justify keeping both players. If you follow this line of thinking then an extension to DeAngelo Williams could indicate that the Panthers have already made their future decision, and could possibly entertain keeping Stewart for his rookie contract, or trading the running back- though this doesn't seem likely in 2010.

However, the flip side to this could be the possibility of severely front-loading an extension for DeAngelo Williams to ensure his big money years don't cross over with the timetable for Jonathan Stewart's extension. From where I sit this looks to be the most likely scenario. If they were to give all, or the vast majority of Williams' guaranteed money up front it would only be limited by Jerry Richardson's pockets- it wouldn't count towards the cap.

Ultimately, it's early days and Pasquarelli is the only one reporting this proposed extension, but I think it should bring a sigh of relief to some Panthers' fans who have already discounted the organization as one looking to be cheap, not competitive. It remains to be seen what the long term goal of the Panthers organization is, but for now we can rest assured that it appears to include DeAngelo Williams.

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If reports are true, what do you think an extension for DeAngelo Williams symbolizes?
That they believe him to be the long term answer at RB
185 votes
That they want to restructure now to afford Stewart in the future
487 votes
They are looking to trade Jonathan Stewart
40 votes
None of the above (please elaborate in comment)
18 votes

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I firmly believe...

the Panthers have no intention of parting with Williams or Stewart anytime soon. The only way either might leave is if the Panthers low ball either of them in the future and they go all ‘Peppers’ on us.

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by Jaxon on Mar 16, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Where are all the trade trolls?

Haha I had to.

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Present.

But I see no need to make those points again. It has all been hammered to death.

by Tater596 on Mar 16, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just to clarify

I’ve been a long time proponent to entertain a trade for one of our running backs provided the price was right, but I don’t think that makes me a troll.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

YE TROLL!!!!!!!11111oneone

Only kidding, of course.

I like to tell myself option #2.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 16, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does it come with an Aussie accent?

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by Jaxon on Mar 16, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh...nice post troll..I mean James ;)

Get it done Hurney…look up D-Will now!

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by Jaxon on Mar 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

'lock' up D-Will

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by Jaxon on Mar 16, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here!

I still seriously doubt they will try to keep both these guys long term. Now they have DeAngelo in a nice trade friendly contract. When it’s Stewarts turn for a new deal, they’ll ship off DWill and work out Stewart’s contract.

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by ElBacano on Mar 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice Troll...

Didn’t they trade away a future pick to get the 1st round pick to draft Stewart? I think this is part of a master plan. If you pick someone in the first round, you intend to keep him right?

by DEEZEY on Mar 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

The first round pick they traded in 2008 was used to draft Jeff Otah, not Jonathan Stewart.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

But Stewart was a first round pick right?

by DEEZEY on Mar 16, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

13th overall

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I truly believe the Panthers didn’t know DeAngelo William’s potential as a starter when they drafted Stewart. I don’t doubt they thought he could be effective, but prior to the 2008 draft he’d rushed for 717 yards on 144 carries.

Despite finishing 9th in the NFL in ypc that year I truly believe that John Fox wanted a power back like Stephen Davis which led to the Jonathan Stewart selection.

In 2008 Williams broke out for 1,515 yards and 18 rushing TDs- I don’t think anyone predicted that he could be that effective which then created the moster known as Double Terouble.

I guess to answer your question most effectively, yes, when they drafted Stewart I don’t doubt they thought of him as the future, and intended to keep him (which they still do) but I also think they didn’t count on Williams blossoming into a top 5 RB.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh...

I see your point. The Panthers could trade Williams and get a premium value that wasn’t expected when they drafted him…Still don’t think it’l happen though.

by DEEZEY on Mar 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

And I agree on all points with James. We drafted Stewart because D-Lo was still unproven.

by Tater596 on Mar 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing what happens when you bring competition in at a position

DWills probably thought the job was his when Foster was cut. Then Fox/Hurney throw a curveball at everyone…especially DeAngelo. Many people when they are put into pressure situations fold like a cheap suit. DWills Focused when he was put into that situation. He also got along from day one with Stewart…his new rival for playing time. That says more about him and his character than anything….he’s got the heart of a lion. I would lock him up long term to a contract.

by jdough on Mar 16, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

This was the “culture” that was developed with Stephen Davis/DeShaun Foster, and Foster/Williams. They all built competitive yet “mentoring” relationships, which is not the norm. Williams reached out early to Stewart, and the friendship feeds the fire and it shows on the field.

by toonman on Mar 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

No James, you are not. Just knew it would generate a reaction. Call me an attention whore.

Just a thought, think about how ape shit the fanbase would get if they traded D’Lo right now.

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

The fanbase would abolutely lose it

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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’d be all for it… as long as we got megatron

by ieatcrayons on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Megan Fox

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now we're talking.

As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.

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by bwsmith25 on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

John Fox can leave, as long as we get Megatron, and Megan Fox to be head cheerleader.

by Tater596 on Mar 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd even go for that.

I’d hate to see Fox go but if we’re getting megawhatshisname and Megan Fox as… oh… head cheerleader…. yeah… that’s exactly what I was thinking too……………… ;)

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 16, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

YEAH

finally some good news this offseason

by SouthernPanther on Mar 16, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Lock up

Please give an extension/restructure to Richard Marshall while youre at it.

by Sniff on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

You guys really think Stewart wants to be a lifetime backup?

A probowl potential RB not wanting the main role? Not likely. There is still no reason they can’t trade DWill when it’s time to resign Stewart.

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by ElBacano on Mar 16, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

That is a hypothetical 2 or 3 years down the road.

At that point, my stance on a trade involving D’Lo might be completely different.

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

When is it exactly?

If DWill hasn’t shown any wear, then this is probably the better move.

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by ElBacano on Mar 17, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not make history??

Why not be the first team with two running backs with over 1,500 yards each and 30 TD’s between them? Also, become the first team with two RB’s(not including Fullbacks) voted to start in the PB. Get the league to approve the ballot and the Panthers fanbase will do the rest. ;)

by jdough on Mar 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it

Maybe the rest of the league will take notice and get tired of running the finesse spread offense and the NFL will be violent and exciting again.

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, if your main goal is "making history"

I’m more concerned with putting the best complete product on the field to win a SB.

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by ElBacano on Mar 17, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd kinda like to make history..

A Super Bowl ring is what every player is after but every year, a bunch of new guys get new rings (and mostly, rightfully earned – except for 2003/04 when those guys luckily earned it.. grr.. the bastards.).. records typically stand for a while.. Now, if we just do both, that’ll be great.

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 18, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not for a couple years? It extends his career and increases his earning potential

Besides, if we keep going cheap everywhere else then paying to PB RB’s is no problem. It helps to have a UDFA QB for sure. Moore will make less than half what Jake will in Cleveland.

I really don’t think paying both RB’s is going to be that big of an issue.

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by Jaxon on Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming Stewart wants to go in the history books as just a backup

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by ElBacano on Mar 17, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

bravo

excellent post Spicy

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonderful post! I salute you!

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by Revshawn on Mar 16, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome back Neil!

Heck of a post!

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120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 17, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

"That they want to restructure now to afford Stewart in the future"

I don’t get this poll choice.

He had 1 year on his contract, its not really a restructuring, it an extension. He’s gonna cost what he’s gonna cost, affording Stewart will have little to do with D’Lo, but more to do with keeping other player’s salaries reasonable. I’m not sure how its not option 1…“they believe him to be the long term answer at RB.”

Would James or someone who voted for the “restructure” option explain it to this idiot.

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

It would make more sense for the team to restructure his deal and front load it for 2010 rather than wait until 2011 and extend his deal from there.

It means they can put the bulk of the guaranteed money in the uncapped season and prevent a greater cap hit down the road.

That’s why I put restructure, rather than straight up extension.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, I see

That would make sense, and I can see the first two poll options both being correct.

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by ERL on Mar 16, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

D-Will has earned a new deal an in two years Stewart is due

I would sell the Farm a hundred times over to keep D-Will and J. Stewart on this team . THis is part of the master plans folks and Len should have made this article known a couple of weeks ago. Of course we are going to lock up D-Will, and very soon I would look for the Panthers to turn their focus to J. Beason and J. Stewart as well b/c both are due big paychecks after the 2011-2012 seasons depending on which one is played and if a new CBA deal can be worked out.

Only knock on Stewart is injuries and D-Will is the man and deserves a big payday as does J. Beason and T. Davis & M. Moore as well if they have a good injury free 2010 season.

Go ahead and knock our offseason strategy Panthers are going to have the last laugh and I still believe that we are going to be the team in the playoffs from the NFC South this year hopefully winning the divison.

GO Panthers Keep Double Trouble here for years to come along with J. Beason, Matt Moore, and Thomas Davis they are the future and the future is now.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 16, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah

That J. Stewart is darn good player he deserves a big payday as well. LOL.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 16, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I think there's one other factor involved...

Deangelo has earned a new deal. And, perhaps more importantly, I think the Panthers…and by that, I mean Jerry Richardson…have shown a tendency to reward players with big money on new contracts and extensions for past performance moreso than projected performance.

Now saying that, I do realize we pay rookies on their initial contract based on how we think they’ll perform. And, there’s no doubt that occasionally the Panthers offer new contracts and extensions to guys as part of a salary restructuring to help them manage the cap from season to season. But, when you see a move like this involving Deangelo, I think it goes back to the Panthers’ brass being willing to pay a guy for his past performance…and not necessarily just how they think he’ll perform in future seasons.

Is that a crazy strategy? Maybe. But, all in all, I have a feeling the players really appreciate it. They know if they go out and perform really well, they’ll be rewarded for it as long as the Panthers arent’ caught in some kind of financial situation where they have to let a player go for salary cap reasons. In this case, with Deangelo, I think they’re rewarding him for the two Pro Bowl caliber seasons he produced…as well as what they hope will be many more. Whether or not Jonathan Stewart gets the same kind of treatment when his contract comes due is questionable. We’ll have to wait and see…not only on how Stewart continues to perform, but also how the salary cap looks at that point in time.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

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by NSpicer on Mar 17, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

JStew injuries?

It was Stewart that made it through the entire 09 season, and DeAngelo who missed games due to injury.

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by ElBacano on Mar 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Stewart continues his current pace, he deserves to be a starter

Forcing him into a lifetime backup position is unreasonable. Eventually a trade has to be made, or one of these guys walks.

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by ElBacano on Mar 17, 2010 11:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why is it unreasonable if he doesn't mind it and is getting plenty of carries?

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89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 18, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got it..

We just open every game in the T and have two starting half backs!

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 18, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've thought about that

Or maybe make it more strategic. Start Stewart against bigger o-lines??

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by ElBacano on Mar 18, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know he doesn't mind it?

Do you know any serious competitor, in the prime of his career, that is content not starting? I would questions that guys motivation.

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by ElBacano on Mar 18, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much is made of who our starting tailback is

Look at their production last season. I would much rather have that kind of 50-50 split then trade one of them and beat the other into the ground with 375+ carries. I’m pretty sure both backs know that this time-share helps them stay fresh, and is going to prolong their careers dramatically.

Look for each back to get somewhere around 225 carries, and therefore 1,100-1,200 yards. This is not happening by accident. The reasoning behind the Stewart draft pick, was not, as some have insinuated, because Fox had questions about DeAngelo, but rather to accommodate our run-heavy gameplan.

With a brand new quarterback, and inexperienced receivers, it would be a fatal mistake to trade either back. If the back we keep were to get dinged up, I’m not sure we have a competent running game until he returns from injury. If we trade D’Lo, and then Stewart is put on IR after week 2 (heaven forbid), we are pretty much done.

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by ERL on Mar 18, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think Smitty would be content splitting plays?

Tell him, hey, we want this other guy to start and you to back him up… but don’t worry because you’ll get 50% of the plays. Think he’d go for it? No. Because he’s a competitor, and believes he can make a play better than anyone else when he’s out there. Of course RB is a little different, but likewise I don’t believe Stewart will never get tired of living in DeAngelo’s shadow. At least I hope he is more hungry to make plays than that.

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by ElBacano on Mar 18, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has to

Smitty is not the only player on our team that cathces passes…nor should Stewart or DeAngelo be the only player to run with it.

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by ERL on Mar 18, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the only #1 WR

And what happens if Stewart wants more money than DeAngelo gets now? There is just too many odd scenarios for this situation to work out long term.

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by ElBacano on Mar 18, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably a little of all of them

Keeping both extends the shelf-life of both and they act as each others’ insurance.

Extending with a contract with the guaranteed money front-loaded, and lots of performance-based money on the back-end sets the Panthers up cap-wise for a long time.

If/when he loses a step, a trade will be easier.

by panthersnbraves on Mar 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Unless I'm wrong

Stewart is under contract through 2013. Why worry about that when he has 4 years left on his contract? They are men, and will deal with it accordingly when the time comes. Until then, why not enjoy having the best running back tandem in the history of the NFL?

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by ERL on Mar 18, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

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