Source says Panthers will seek extension with DeAngelo Williams
ESPN insider Len Pasquarelli reports that the Carolina Panthers will seek a contract extension with their Pro Bowl running back. This sentiment is echoed by beat writer Darin Gantt who says (in response to a question about Pasquarelli's report):
Trust Len always. I think both sides want to
During this youth movement and lack of commitment from the Panthers it seems surprising that they are perhaps willing to make their largest commitment now of all times. Many fans and insiders have prognosticated that the Panthers wont we able to afford contract extensions for both DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, but is this part of a master plan?
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Based on their production I have said for a long time that both Williams and Stewart will be looking at a contract similar to what Steven Jackson got in St. Louis (6 years, $44.08 million). If this does indeed ring true, coupled with a possible reduction to the salary cap it would be very difficult to justify keeping both players. If you follow this line of thinking then an extension to DeAngelo Williams could indicate that the Panthers have already made their future decision, and could possibly entertain keeping Stewart for his rookie contract, or trading the running back- though this doesn't seem likely in 2010.
However, the flip side to this could be the possibility of severely front-loading an extension for DeAngelo Williams to ensure his big money years don't cross over with the timetable for Jonathan Stewart's extension. From where I sit this looks to be the most likely scenario. If they were to give all, or the vast majority of Williams' guaranteed money up front it would only be limited by Jerry Richardson's pockets- it wouldn't count towards the cap.
Ultimately, it's early days and Pasquarelli is the only one reporting this proposed extension, but I think it should bring a sigh of relief to some Panthers' fans who have already discounted the organization as one looking to be cheap, not competitive. It remains to be seen what the long term goal of the Panthers organization is, but for now we can rest assured that it appears to include DeAngelo Williams.
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I firmly believe...
the Panthers have no intention of parting with Williams or Stewart anytime soon. The only way either might leave is if the Panthers low ball either of them in the future and they go all ‘Peppers’ on us.
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Just to clarify
I’ve been a long time proponent to entertain a trade for one of our running backs provided the price was right, but I don’t think that makes me a troll.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh...nice post troll..I mean James ;)
Get it done Hurney…look up D-Will now!
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I still seriously doubt they will try to keep both these guys long term. Now they have DeAngelo in a nice trade friendly contract. When it’s Stewarts turn for a new deal, they’ll ship off DWill and work out Stewart’s contract.
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by ElBacano on Mar 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice Troll...
Didn’t they trade away a future pick to get the 1st round pick to draft Stewart? I think this is part of a master plan. If you pick someone in the first round, you intend to keep him right?
The first round pick they traded in 2008 was used to draft Jeff Otah, not Jonathan Stewart.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected
But Stewart was a first round pick right?
I truly believe the Panthers didn’t know DeAngelo William’s potential as a starter when they drafted Stewart. I don’t doubt they thought he could be effective, but prior to the 2008 draft he’d rushed for 717 yards on 144 carries.
Despite finishing 9th in the NFL in ypc that year I truly believe that John Fox wanted a power back like Stephen Davis which led to the Jonathan Stewart selection.
In 2008 Williams broke out for 1,515 yards and 18 rushing TDs- I don’t think anyone predicted that he could be that effective which then created the moster known as Double Terouble.
I guess to answer your question most effectively, yes, when they drafted Stewart I don’t doubt they thought of him as the future, and intended to keep him (which they still do) but I also think they didn’t count on Williams blossoming into a top 5 RB.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh...
I see your point. The Panthers could trade Williams and get a premium value that wasn’t expected when they drafted him…Still don’t think it’l happen though.
Amazing what happens when you bring competition in at a position
DWills probably thought the job was his when Foster was cut. Then Fox/Hurney throw a curveball at everyone…especially DeAngelo. Many people when they are put into pressure situations fold like a cheap suit. DWills Focused when he was put into that situation. He also got along from day one with Stewart…his new rival for playing time. That says more about him and his character than anything….he’s got the heart of a lion. I would lock him up long term to a contract.
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This was the “culture” that was developed with Stephen Davis/DeShaun Foster, and Foster/Williams. They all built competitive yet “mentoring” relationships, which is not the norm. Williams reached out early to Stewart, and the friendship feeds the fire and it shows on the field.
Nice
No James, you are not. Just knew it would generate a reaction. Call me an attention whore.
Just a thought, think about how ape shit the fanbase would get if they traded D’Lo right now.
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The fanbase would abolutely lose it
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i’d be all for it… as long as we got megatron
by ieatcrayons on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we're talking.
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
I'd even go for that.
I’d hate to see Fox go but if we’re getting megawhatshisname and Megan Fox as… oh… head cheerleader…. yeah… that’s exactly what I was thinking too……………… ;)
YEAH
finally some good news this offseason
by SouthernPanther on Mar 16, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
You guys really think Stewart wants to be a lifetime backup?
A probowl potential RB not wanting the main role? Not likely. There is still no reason they can’t trade DWill when it’s time to resign Stewart.
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by ElBacano on Mar 16, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That is a hypothetical 2 or 3 years down the road.
At that point, my stance on a trade involving D’Lo might be completely different.
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When is it exactly?
If DWill hasn’t shown any wear, then this is probably the better move.
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Why not make history??
Why not be the first team with two running backs with over 1,500 yards each and 30 TD’s between them? Also, become the first team with two RB’s(not including Fullbacks) voted to start in the PB. Get the league to approve the ballot and the Panthers fanbase will do the rest. ;)
Sure, if your main goal is "making history"
I’m more concerned with putting the best complete product on the field to win a SB.
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I'd kinda like to make history..
A Super Bowl ring is what every player is after but every year, a bunch of new guys get new rings (and mostly, rightfully earned – except for 2003/04 when those guys luckily earned it.. grr.. the bastards.).. records typically stand for a while.. Now, if we just do both, that’ll be great.
Why not for a couple years? It extends his career and increases his earning potential
Besides, if we keep going cheap everywhere else then paying to PB RB’s is no problem. It helps to have a UDFA QB for sure. Moore will make less than half what Jake will in Cleveland.
I really don’t think paying both RB’s is going to be that big of an issue.
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Assuming Stewart wants to go in the history books as just a backup
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I think there are multiple reasons for this move...
1) Deangelo’s Production - They believe he’s better than their original estimates, based on the production they got out of him over the past two seasons. He didn’t have much experience during all those seasons he sat on the bench or played sparingly behind DeShaun Foster. But now he does have that experience. And he’s produced at a Pro Bowl level (two years in a row, despite getting picked only once).
2) Running Style - Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like Deangelo has better breakaway speed once he gets in the open. He’s not going to win every footrace with a DB, of course. And Stewart can flat motor over them. But I think if you polled a lot of opposing defensive coordinators, they’d tell you they fear Deangelo in the open field…a lot. At the same time, you have to recognize that both guys can run between the tackles, but they bring different running styles. From what I’ve observed, the Panthers seem to like throwing Deangelo at defenses early on so every can chase him all over the place…which wears down the defense. Then, late in the 4th quarter when they need to control the clock, they hit them with more of Jonathan Stewart when they’re already tired and have trouble slowing him down as a result. The bottom line is that it’s somewhat important to have two RBs who can give you that mix of running styles, so you can take advantage of it at the opportune times during the flow of any given game.
3) Financial Aspect - This move will certainly help the Panthers achieve a stronger financial position whereby they can keep Double Trouble intact for several years. This will let them lock up the backs necessary for a potent running game and, at the same time, it lets them then turn their attention to ensuring the O-linemen are in place for great blocking…and so they can find enough pieces at the QB and WR positions to keep the passing game honest…and so they’ll have enough room to bring in (and retain) talented guys on defense that will help them play ball-control both on offense and defense. Plus, if you’re gonna chop up some of those millions you recoup by letting Julius Peppers walk, why not spend it on keeping Double Trouble together. The Panthers have already shown they can endure a single guy absorbing a tremendous amount of their salary cap. Is it really any different to have Deangelo and Stewart doing something similar on the offensive side of the ball? And, once Jake Delhomme’s salary hit disappears (which won’t be immediate), the impact of putting that much money into two starting-caliber RBs will become even less.
4) Trade Flexibility - In the event a trade opportunity emerges (whether on draft day this year, or later on during Deangelo and Stewart’s contracts), the Panthers will be better positioned to take advantage of it by having both RBs still on the roster. Until that time comes, however, they’ll also have the luxury of having two really good RBs at their disposal on actual game day. Each of them also helps extend the longevity of the other by splitting time…and that puts pressure on opposing defenses because the offense will have fresh legs coming in every other down.
5) Injuries - We’ve already seen how limited Stewart has been in terms of practice time because of his Achilles and toe issues. Deangelo also suffered his first major injury and went on IR for the last part of the season. As such, keeping them both is like an insurance policy. You know either one could be the starter. And, because of the heavy amount of running the Panthers do, you know they’re both going to take a beating throughout the season that will raise their risk of injury…and that risk will continue into the post-season as well, if the Panthers should be fortunate enough to make it in again.
Anyway, that’s just my nickel’s worth,
—Neil
P.S. Just to add one more penny…
6) Fan Favorite - Deangelo (unlike Julius Peppers) enjoys the support of all Carolina fans. And, given the amount of volatility we’ve seen with the off-season purging of so many veterans, it’s a good PR move to lock up Deangelo. The timing is also good because of the looming uncapped season. Once again, this is smart money-management and personnel management on the part of the Panthers. Letting Peppers walk was more of a financial decision. And, parting ways with Delhomme (in my opinion) was more of a “listening to the fans” decision. Retaining both Deangelo and Stewart (at least in the interim) is also a bit of a “listening to the fans” decision.
by NSpicer on Mar 16, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Wonderful post! I salute you!
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Heck of a post!
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 17, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
"That they want to restructure now to afford Stewart in the future"
I don’t get this poll choice.
He had 1 year on his contract, its not really a restructuring, it an extension. He’s gonna cost what he’s gonna cost, affording Stewart will have little to do with D’Lo, but more to do with keeping other player’s salaries reasonable. I’m not sure how its not option 1…“they believe him to be the long term answer at RB.”
Would James or someone who voted for the “restructure” option explain it to this idiot.
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It would make more sense for the team to restructure his deal and front load it for 2010 rather than wait until 2011 and extend his deal from there.
It means they can put the bulk of the guaranteed money in the uncapped season and prevent a greater cap hit down the road.
That’s why I put restructure, rather than straight up extension.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
D-Will has earned a new deal an in two years Stewart is due
I would sell the Farm a hundred times over to keep D-Will and J. Stewart on this team . THis is part of the master plans folks and Len should have made this article known a couple of weeks ago. Of course we are going to lock up D-Will, and very soon I would look for the Panthers to turn their focus to J. Beason and J. Stewart as well b/c both are due big paychecks after the 2011-2012 seasons depending on which one is played and if a new CBA deal can be worked out.
Only knock on Stewart is injuries and D-Will is the man and deserves a big payday as does J. Beason and T. Davis & M. Moore as well if they have a good injury free 2010 season.
Go ahead and knock our offseason strategy Panthers are going to have the last laugh and I still believe that we are going to be the team in the playoffs from the NFC South this year hopefully winning the divison.
GO Panthers Keep Double Trouble here for years to come along with J. Beason, Matt Moore, and Thomas Davis they are the future and the future is now.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 16, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
Oh yeah
That J. Stewart is darn good player he deserves a big payday as well. LOL.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 16, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I think there's one other factor involved...
Deangelo has earned a new deal. And, perhaps more importantly, I think the Panthers…and by that, I mean Jerry Richardson…have shown a tendency to reward players with big money on new contracts and extensions for past performance moreso than projected performance.
Now saying that, I do realize we pay rookies on their initial contract based on how we think they’ll perform. And, there’s no doubt that occasionally the Panthers offer new contracts and extensions to guys as part of a salary restructuring to help them manage the cap from season to season. But, when you see a move like this involving Deangelo, I think it goes back to the Panthers’ brass being willing to pay a guy for his past performance…and not necessarily just how they think he’ll perform in future seasons.
Is that a crazy strategy? Maybe. But, all in all, I have a feeling the players really appreciate it. They know if they go out and perform really well, they’ll be rewarded for it as long as the Panthers arent’ caught in some kind of financial situation where they have to let a player go for salary cap reasons. In this case, with Deangelo, I think they’re rewarding him for the two Pro Bowl caliber seasons he produced…as well as what they hope will be many more. Whether or not Jonathan Stewart gets the same kind of treatment when his contract comes due is questionable. We’ll have to wait and see…not only on how Stewart continues to perform, but also how the salary cap looks at that point in time.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
P.S. Happy Saint Patrick’s Day!
JStew injuries?
It was Stewart that made it through the entire 09 season, and DeAngelo who missed games due to injury.
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by ElBacano on Mar 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Stewart continues his current pace, he deserves to be a starter
Forcing him into a lifetime backup position is unreasonable. Eventually a trade has to be made, or one of these guys walks.
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by ElBacano on Mar 17, 2010 11:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is it unreasonable if he doesn't mind it and is getting plenty of carries?
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 18, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I've thought about that
Or maybe make it more strategic. Start Stewart against bigger o-lines??
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How do you know he doesn't mind it?
Do you know any serious competitor, in the prime of his career, that is content not starting? I would questions that guys motivation.
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Too much is made of who our starting tailback is
Look at their production last season. I would much rather have that kind of 50-50 split then trade one of them and beat the other into the ground with 375+ carries. I’m pretty sure both backs know that this time-share helps them stay fresh, and is going to prolong their careers dramatically.
Look for each back to get somewhere around 225 carries, and therefore 1,100-1,200 yards. This is not happening by accident. The reasoning behind the Stewart draft pick, was not, as some have insinuated, because Fox had questions about DeAngelo, but rather to accommodate our run-heavy gameplan.
With a brand new quarterback, and inexperienced receivers, it would be a fatal mistake to trade either back. If the back we keep were to get dinged up, I’m not sure we have a competent running game until he returns from injury. If we trade D’Lo, and then Stewart is put on IR after week 2 (heaven forbid), we are pretty much done.
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You think Smitty would be content splitting plays?
Tell him, hey, we want this other guy to start and you to back him up… but don’t worry because you’ll get 50% of the plays. Think he’d go for it? No. Because he’s a competitor, and believes he can make a play better than anyone else when he’s out there. Of course RB is a little different, but likewise I don’t believe Stewart will never get tired of living in DeAngelo’s shadow. At least I hope he is more hungry to make plays than that.
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He has to
Smitty is not the only player on our team that cathces passes…nor should Stewart or DeAngelo be the only player to run with it.
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He's the only #1 WR
And what happens if Stewart wants more money than DeAngelo gets now? There is just too many odd scenarios for this situation to work out long term.
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Probably a little of all of them
Keeping both extends the shelf-life of both and they act as each others’ insurance.
Extending with a contract with the guaranteed money front-loaded, and lots of performance-based money on the back-end sets the Panthers up cap-wise for a long time.
If/when he loses a step, a trade will be easier.
by panthersnbraves on Mar 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
Unless I'm wrong
Stewart is under contract through 2013. Why worry about that when he has 4 years left on his contract? They are men, and will deal with it accordingly when the time comes. Until then, why not enjoy having the best running back tandem in the history of the NFL?
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