Jake Delhomme signs two year deal with Browns
He didn't even visit with NO. Holmgren has probably offered him a shot to compete for the #1.
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Wow.
I’m sure Jake will be the starter come week 1.. Quinn nor Wallace are better than him, imo.
Certainly will be interesting when we meet this year. Best of luck, Jake.
+1
Jake is a great competitor and is the kind of player that the browns locker room has needed for a long time. I was glad he was no longer the unquestioned starter, but at the same time I hated to see him go so good luck to Carolina’s favorite Cajun.
On a side note if he does become the browns starter will he pick up a popeyes endorsement?
by bleed_in_blue on Mar 13, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
man..
poor guy. And now we have to go to cleveland and stomp the browns with him there, talk about insult to injury
What will it be if he engineers another of his fourth-quarter comebacks, only this time AGAINST us?
Whose injury will we be talking about then?
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
They seemed to do that pretty well with that as they went 4-0 down the stretch.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Your point being?
Who exactly were we so regularly keeping out of the end zone? And I know you’re not going to make the argument our defense has improved.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Pitt, KC, Oakland, Jax
Their 4-0 record down the stretch was not very impressive. My point is—they are not very good.
If you want to root for the Browns when we play them because Jake is on their roster, more power to you. I, however, refuse to entertain the possibility of Jake leading them to a 4th quarter comeback against our Panthers so that you can feel redeemed in your steadfast support of a player no longer on our team.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Two of those teams were competing for playoff spots down the stretch.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So were NYG and MIN when we played them with Moore
So how is it okay for this situation and not for Moore’s?
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
Because I'm talking about the team.
And the Panthers team, as it was constructed, was playing well down the stretch regardless of who was under center. Unfortunately, our team has gotten worse. Theirs has only gotten better.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 17, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
That is false. You have no reason to believe that Jake would have shared similar success had he been in the lineup during the last 5 games. In fact, the only evidence we have is that he would have continued to play poorly.
Please elaborate, and convince me, if you will, why the Browns will compete with the Panthers in said football game—Since you are their newest-biggest fan. (just kidding) But seriously, Michael, we do not have to turn everything into a pissing match…lets keep it light and fun, eh?
Do or do not. There is no try.
Worse?
Moot point, at best. Jettisoning Delhomme for Cleveland to scoop up very well could be an upgrade for both teams.
You can correctly say the Panthers have gotten younger, cheaper…you can even say they’re unproven (still somewhat suspect considering most of the cuts were players who played less than a 1/3 of the snaps last season). But stating they’ve gotten worse is a pessimistic assumption at best and nay-saying rabble rousing at worst.
According to ESPN Homgren doesn't believe in QB competitions
And they are shopping Quinn around, meaning its looking very much like Jake is going to be the Brown’s 2010 starting QB.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/10610/quinn-era-ending-in-cleveland
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I'll be pulling for the Brown's now.
But I am concerned about Jake having to throw to a bunch of nobody receivers. If they do well, awesome for Jake… if not, well I don’t really care about the Browns much anyways :)
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that's dumb
how can he not believe in QB competitions. last season, quinn had a higher qb rating (67 to 59), had the same number of TDs (a meager 8) and quinn had 11 fewer interceptions (7 to 18). there is no way i would name jake the starter of quinn. one of those guys would have to beat out the other. jake obviously is no one’s long term answer at qb because of his age and frailty. if he plays like his career average, he could easily beat out quinn, but it’s been since december 2008 since he’s really played well.
by usana_gaines on Mar 14, 2010 5:09 AM EST up reply actions
They don't seem to think Quinn is there long term answer either
Sounds like they are trying to get something for him, maybe draft a QB… but have Wallace as insurance.
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Quinn just went to Denver
So they currently have no long term answer
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lol
Cleveland Fail.
Did they learn nothing from us last season?
And they don’t even have a running game to hold Jake up… OR any kind of threat at WR. At least we have Smitty.
Poor Jake, he is going to get creamed.
+1 to that Jaxon
Who’s available in free agency who’s better at teaching a young QB how to win over his teammates and become a locker room leader?
The prime reason Brady Quinn’s development was stunted was that he had nobody to team him how to be a leader.
That’s why I think it’s a great pickup by the Browns
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by James The Aussie on Mar 15, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
wow… not enugh coffee this morning.
he had nobody to teach him how to be a leader
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by James The Aussie on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
yup...Jake will start until the rookie is ready
That’s the way Holmgren rolls
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Jerome Harrison and his 187 yards a game over the last three games would disagree about their lack of a running game.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny how you can tout the yardage of a 2nd string running back in "games that don't matter"
But you can completely discount Matt Moore’s production in 5 games that “don’t matter”
He's not a second-string RB.
He was their starter after Lewis hit IR and is the unquestioned #1 for next year. And I never said the Panthers have “no passing game” with Moore. I’m saying that his play in those doesn’t make him one of the best QBs in the NFL, as many here claim.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
For now
Who knows where Cleveland will look in the draft, but RB is a possibility. Certainly they will draft someone that can at least (hopefully for them) contribute in a time share next season.
He was a 2nd string RB last season. It wasn’t until Lewis hit IR that he back the #1.
On the whole, Cleveland lacked a running game last year. You cannot deny that point. The 3 final games of the season hardly justify the label of “having a running game”
If you’re going so far as to say that next year they will have a better running game because Harrison will be the starter, based on his 3 games, then you also have to say that the Panthers will have a better passing attack based on Matt Moore’s 5 games.
I have not seen anyone here claim that Moore is the best QB in the NFL
Except for you, in your sarcastic attempts to belittle the possibility of Moore having success as the starting QB of our Panthers.
Do or do not. There is no try.
One season does not a skillset or career make.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Does that mean that Hurney and Fox don't, either?
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
They've yet to have one that I remember
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’02: Weinke-Peete-Fasani
’03: Peete-Delhomme
’07: Delhomme-Carr
And there have always been backup spots for grabs. Like the one Moore could have gotten the last two years and failed to.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Moore just leapfrogged backup and won starter…. I’ll take it : )
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
By default.
They were afraid of keeping Delhomme around and watching him beat him again.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Right...
So afraid that they were willing to pay him $12m to stay at home and not succeed.
Many times you have said that the people who know the most about the players are the ones working with them. Coaches, ownership, and other players. Now they make a decision to cut your favorite player, and suddenly they are wrong?
If they thought Jake Delhomme had what it took to lead the Panthers back to the playoffs next season, they had about 12 million good reasons to let him do it. Despite all that, they elected to release him. That should tell you a lot about his play as a QB at this stage of his career.
right
If they have to pay him either way, why not pay him to lead the Panthers back to the playoffs?
Because he is no longer the best QB on the team, according to the people that make much more educated decisions than you or I.
Do or do not. There is no try.
They said specifically that they didn't want to risk a competition with Moore.
That says nothing but fear that Moore fail again and be proven wrong.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did they say that specifically?
I don’t recall reading that the Panthers didn’t want to ‘risk a competition with Moore’
I could very well be wrong, but I only remember Hurney saying that ‘the decision to go with Matt was made a while ago’
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He said that he was afraid of Moore looking over his shoulder.
No need to look over one’s shoulder if you’re the better choice.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I still can't find that
and I just reread the transcripts from both the Peppers release and Delhomme release press conferences on panthers.com.
The only references I see to Matt Moore are the following (from the Delhomme conference):
“I was taught a long time ago that the right thing to do is to make the right decision at that time for your football team,”
For Delhomme, it’s obvious. The reins of the offense were essentially handed to Matt Moore on Friday morning, with Hurney declaring that the three-year veteran who started the last five games of 2009 was the “No. 1” man at the position.
“It was time,” Hurney said.
“To say there will be no more change at any position, including quarterback, would be a false statement,”
Now from the Peppers conference earlier:
We need consistent play at quarterback. I think what we’ve done here is we’ve taken time and gone through the process on things. Competition always answers most of those questions. Our job is to win football games, and we make the decisions with that in mind – to try to win as many games as possible. I think that sometimes you let competition decide those things.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome!
Im glad he will be able to start again, even if it is the Browns. What an interesting year it will be facing Peppers at home and Jake on the road.
by CarolinaPanthers on Mar 13, 2010 10:44 PM EST reply actions
now maybe the browns wont suck this year
congradulations jake but we are still going to beat you in 2010
Schefter reported they gave him seven million for 2010
Wow.
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89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
pep and jake
so because jake is getting that much, he’s gonna make 20 million in 2010, just like Pep.
by usana_gaines on Mar 14, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Not quite.
Just over $11 million. See this fanshot.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
So that's 19Mil total Jake gets this year
I think they hurt of leaving Carolina has probably worn off
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Some guys play for the love of the game
The money doesn’t matter as much.
Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.
120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good
89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 15, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
We are only paying him around $3M this season
the $12M is spread out over three seasons
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I thought we had to pay him the $12M in one payment
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
yeah
I’m pretty sure he gets it all this season since we cut him.
by SouthernPanther on Mar 15, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't that before he was cut?
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See this FanShot.
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2010/3/15/1374917/delhommes-panther-parachute
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not pulling for the Browns here
This is exactly the reason the Browns suck they always think that one QB can fix everything when really they have so many problems that QB is the easiest position to try and fix/blame. J. Delhomme is done as a starting QB in the NFL and I am sure Denver and if he would have visited New Orleans would have told him the same thing. He is not worth a two year deal and he is definately not worth $7 mil.
Browns have bigger problems, no defenses, terrible receivers to throw to and TE is bad as well. At-least Holmgren is trying but man good luck.
It is no wonder why we haven’t signed anybody b/c the money being thrown at even the most medicore players is nuts.
Delhomme (our J. Delhomme ) gets a two yr contract, PLZZZZZ what a joke.
Hey Browns have fun sucking a@#! this season and maybe he will only throw like 20 or so picks this year of course you are used to crappy QB’s a’la Tim Couch.
Oh sorry did I hit a nerve Browns fans what a dumb signing but typical of Cleveland always thinking that they are just one player away and grabbing a QB no matter how bad is truly the answer to all their problems.
GO Moore & Panthers I cannot wait to embrass the Browns this season.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
Holty, get ready, what I'm going to say will surprise you. :)
The Browns COULD make the playoffs this season. On offense, they need more weapons, but they have some pretty good guys on the roster. Evan Moore is a TE in the mold of our guys, unheralded, but deadly. Mohammed Massaqoi had a good rookie year, he’ll improve with a competent QB. Jerome Harrison and Peyton Hillis are a lethal one-two punch. Josh Cribbs can do it all. Their offensive line has some good talent starting at the left. Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Alex Mack. Defensively, they were top ten rushing the passer, and they have a very solid defensive line. Eric Wright is a good corner. Brodney Pool is an effective safety. They will make the playoffs IF
1. Jake Delhomme plays like he did for most of 08.
2. They draft secondary help at seven, Eric Berry or Joe Haden are the most likely.
3. They get some upgrades at receiver, the right side of the O-line, some more pass rushers, and depth in the secondary
4. They get some lucky breaks.
All of those are possible, I know you are used to seeing the Browns suck, but they are my darkhorse team this season.
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89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad
Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless
by Flowing Willow on Mar 15, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
what
you’re saying the browns could make the playoffs if jake plays well, and they upgrade their secondary, receiving corps, offensive line, and defensive line…and then they still need some lucky breaks. that is true of every team in the league. the redskins could have won it all last year if they had the same upgrades and some lucky breaks.
by usana_gaines on Mar 15, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
They played quite well down the stretch last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, they've got plenty of potential...
But I’d stop short of calling Hillis “lethal.” He hasn’t been much more than decent in any role the Broncos put him in. And Brodney Pool signed with the Jets.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you mean by the "Browns always think..."
They brought in Mike Holmgren as an independent football mind who’s had success in more than one place to change the culture. He decided that Delhomme was the man to lead that team’s rebirth (although they certainly showed some nice flashes coming down the stretch last year.) In Delhomme, Scott Fujita, and Ben Watson, they’ve already signed three solid veterans with winning track records and gas left in the tank.
I’m also not sure how Delhomme will be doing so well to throw “only 20 or so picks” when his career high is 18 and his 16-game average is 15.6.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Delhomme should be a great asset to them.
Hopefully the change of scenery will allow him to get rid of the whole “don’t make a mistake” mentality and let him get back to slinging it.
Having a QB who encourages him to just get the job done might help that.
Never really understood why we were asking a 33-year-old veteran to completely change his mechanics so that he was more fundamentally sound.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Average out Peppers' sacks from his worst year...
And he’s certainly not worth $20 million a year.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What does Peppers have to do with ANY of the comments on this article?
Do or do not. There is no try.
It has to do with the notion that any players worst season doesn't define their abilities.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Then say that in the first place
I’m tired of the random Peppers bashing. He’s gone, its over. So is Jake, lets move on, good gracious.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Then why didn't you attack Tater.
He made the exact comment I did.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 17, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not attacking you, Michael
If that’s how it came off, I’m sorry.
But the difference is we were talking about Delhomme…the article was about Delhomme….Tater’s comment was therefore about Delhomme, and then all of the sudden the Peppers hate comes out. It just ‘reads’ bad sometimes.
That is why people overreact to some of your comments. Your tone might be fine when you are thinking it, but when it is read sometimes it comes off as too ‘sharp’ or ‘dry,’ and often has a sarcastic undertone.
The Pep comment is a bad example, as it was just unrelated to this whole thread, and was to me, a seemingly random disapproval of Pepper’s career as a Panther, the money he made, etc. Let’s move on from Pep and from Jake, respectively.
I really respect everyone that takes the time to contribute their ideas on this site. And Michael, you are an important part of that, as you contribute your ideas as well as fresh Panther news quite often. Maybe just try to ignore certain comments that you disagree with sometimes, or you’ll appear as someone who is ‘hunting’ for an argument. As much information as you have to share with everyone, I’d like to see you present a new idea instead of replying to other’s opinions in what can come off as a brutish manner, even if that is not what you intended. You and I have many disagreements, and that is fine, people questioning one another is what makes this blog go-round. Let’s both make a conscious effort to refrain from being overly offensive or defensive. If we give this a try, I think we will both see a lot more positive energy coming our way, which to me is a great thing.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I am not trying to bring this back up again, but
Tony Fiammetta is set to make $745,813 this 2010 season. And Brad was set to make alittle over $800k and people say Brad was cut over money. This moves still makes me sad. It’s not the right move i don’t care what people in the front office says. He wasn’t a liability and it was his final year on his contract. I would keep supporting the Panthers regardless of whatever, but if they start making dumb football moves i would stop watching fottball and sell my PSLs.
by panthertillidrop on Mar 15, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions
Future vs. twilight (and I'm not talking about emo tweens)
Hoover’s career is winding down, Fiametta’s is just starting.
It doesn’t really matter what Fiametta is making, all that really mattered was how much Hoov was making for his age. You can’t find another team in the NFL that carried two fullbacks into the regular season.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Hoover = 4 starts in 11 games played, back spasms, bad ankles, 34 years old, etc.
I don’t like it, but Fiametta was brought in for a reason. FBs beat their head against a wall as long as they can, it appears that Hoov was almost done…still not a popular move, and I understand why.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Please don't minimize his impact because we didn't line up in I-formation every game.
Do you really think Barnidge and Rosario were more important to our offense just because we started 11 games in two-TE sets? Fiammetta only got two starts in 10 games played, and got hurt with a far lesser workload.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but we elected to not put him on the field to start our first drive
because of his injuries, perhaps, perhaps it was coincidence. If he is our offensive MVP, he’d of played every snap. The running game will move on, with little to no drop-off.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Umm, what?
No skill player on the offense played every snap. Was there just not an MVP? And as to why he didn’t start, it could easily have been to avoid incentives or vesting numbers in his deal.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
point is if he is sooo important--he's on the field to open the game
Don’t make me look up the avg rushing yards per game with him and without him, because they are startlingly similar.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Really?
So Jonathan Stewart isn’t important? Thought so.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm, Hoover is a FB, Stewart is a tailback
anything else?
Why did they release Hoover? Please inform this uneducated hack of a fan.
Do or do not. There is no try.
You made the statement that a player is not important unless "he's on the field to open the game."
If that is true, Jonathan Stewart is not an important player. And they released him because they could save a few hundred thousand bucks in salary.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That is clearly not what I said
And we are talking about a FULLBACK. You only use one true fullback, typically, while there is a NEED for two or more quality tailbacks, god I’m tired of spelling everything out for you.
Do or do not. There is no try.
"if he is sooo important--he's on the field to open the game"
There is nothing else that statement could mean.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 17, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
soooo indicated that he is still important, just not so much so that he is irreplacable
Do or do not. There is no try.
Yes, you can.
In Week One last year:
Houston had Vonta Leach and James Casey.
Jacksonville had Greg Jones and Montell Owens.
The Jets had Tony Richardson and Matthew Mulligan.
Pittsburgh had both Frank Summers and David Johnson.
Tampa Bay had B.J. Askew and Earnest Graham.
Hell, the Colts even carried a pair of players they list as H-backs in Gijon Robinson and Tom Santi.
But it didn’t just stop at two. There were teams that carried three FBs into Opening Day last season.
Detroit had Terrelle Smith, Jerome Felton, and Brandon Pettigrew.
And that’s just looking at the first five games! I’ll continue the search if you want, but there were plenty of teams that found it worthwhile to have some depth at the position.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
My point remains the same
You listed alot of team who utilize a player who naturally plays another position but isn’t first and foremost a FB.
Houston had Vonta Leach and James Casey.
- James Casey is, and was a tight end- first and foremost
Jacksonville had Greg Jones and Montell Owens.
- Montell Owens is, and was a running back- first and foremost
The Jets had Tony Richardson and Matthew Mulligan.
- Matthew Mulligan is, and was a tight end- first and foremost
Pittsburgh had both Frank Summers and David Johnson.
- David Johnson is, and was a tight end- first and foremost
Tampa Bay had B.J. Askew and Earnest Graham.
- Earnest Graham is, and was a running back- first and foremost
Detroit had Terrelle Smith, Jerome Felton, and Brandon Pettigrew.
- Brandon Pettigrew is a tight end
I still can’t find a team that legitimately carried two fullbacks through the regular season where fullback was their primary position. Just because you flesh out a depth chart with tight ends for depth doesn’t mean I’ll ever consider Dante Rosario or Tyrell Sutton a natural FB
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm, no.
Casey played several positions throughout the year, and that included a start at FB.
Owens started games and was listed as an FB…by the Jaguars!
Mulligan was a college FB.
Johnson is an FB/TE. Did plenty of lead blocking.
Graham got far more snaps as an FB last year than an HB.
Pettigrew started at FB in week 1. And that still leaves Smith and Felton.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
By that rationale
We could have called Brad Hoover a running back because he happened to have a start there during his career when needed.
That doesn’t make him a running back
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
We could also call him a QB
he ran the wildcat for us last season for two or three plays
As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.
We could have when he was a rookie, sure.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The Packers carried three
Kory Hall, John Kuhn, and Quinn Johnson
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
Dually noted
Wow… three FBs…
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It's ok.
Thanks for trying.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for trying what?
Please elaborate
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by James The Aussie on Mar 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
To make your point about no team in the NFL daring to keep more than one FB on their roster.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS!
And they forced him to go on the fan cruise knowing they were going to cut him!
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 15, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Browns will play a WCO under Holmgren
That means a lot of high-percentage short passes, and few of the long throws that got picked off a lot for us while Jake was under center. So, the question is whether Delhomme can grasp the nuances of the WCO well enough to be effective. If he can, then the Browns get the full force of his leadership and huddle presence, and he’s still in good enough physical shape to start for the next couple of years.
Quinn can’t play the WCO, he’s a play-action pocket passer just like Jake. And they don’t know if Jake can play it either. But they do know that Jake can win games, and Quinn hasn’t shown that yet. So for as long as Holmgren is in charge, the move makes some sense.
And say what you want about the trade, Holmgren does know a thing or two about quarterbacks.
Another element to the trade:
Steve Smith was little more than an amazing return man before Delhomme was QB
Couldn’t the same charge be leveled at Josh Cribbs?
Lightning could strike twice.
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by James The Aussie on Mar 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Hasselbeck agrees.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 16, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
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