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2001 all over again?  Hardly...

The Panthers have been pretty busy this offseason, but in an unsettling way.  They've started by purging their roster of everyone over 30 save star receiver Steve Smith and local institution John Kasay, the sole remaining original Panther.  In addition, they've lost all-pro defensive end Julius Peppers to free agency. 

When taken in sum, the turnover is frightening:  The panthers have lost their starting Quarterback, one of their starting Receivers, their starting Fullback, both of their starting Defensive Ends, both starting Defensive Tackles, and a starting Outside Linebacker.

Wow.  Just wow.

The last time the Panthers did anything like this was in 2001.  Head coach George Seiffert had just come off a 7-9 season where the defense played like a sieve, and the offense couldn't move the ball when it counted.  Seiffert decided that the roster needed a complete overhaul.  He jettisoned the starting Quarterback (Steve Beuerlein), the starting Center (Frank Garcia), a starting Guard (Matt Campbell), a starting Cornerback (Eric Davis), and their starting Fullback (William Floyd).  In addition, they lost their starting Left Tackle (Clarence Jones), their starting Free Safety (Eugene Robinson) and a starting Defensive End (Reggie White) to retirement.

In sum, in 2001 eight starters were changed either because they were cut when the 2000 season ended, or they chose to retire.  In 2010, the Panthers face the same situation.

Star-divide

But there are a lot of differences.  If you're looking at the parallels between the two seasons and are worried about going 1-15 again, don't.  These two teams are in entirely different situations.

The 2001 squad started a rookie quarterback, Chris Weinke, in part because their three year veteran (Jeff Lewis) didn't work out as planned.  Weinke was more mature than most rookies, having played a few years of baseball before winning the Heisman at Florida State, but he was still a rookie and had no experience playing at NFL speeds. 

It's telling that the 2002 Panthers signed an aging veteran to start rather than play Weinke again.  The 2010 edition of the Panthers will go with Matt Moore under center.  Moore's a three year veteran with quality starting experience and a good relationship with his teammates.  More important, he has a winning record under center and the team believes in him.

The 2001 Running Backs were Richard Huntley, Tshimanga Biakabutuka, Nick Goings, and Brad Hoover.  Huntley was a journeyman in his first and only year as a Panther, Timmy B was in the last year of an injury-filled career, Goings was a rookie, and Hoover was playing his first year at Fullback.  There was no leadership from that position, and it was viewed as the weak point of the offense. 

Contrast that with the current Panther backfield of DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, and Tony Fiametta.  Fiametta is the weak link, but he's got a year in the system already and has two star running backs behind him to make him look good and help him on the field.

In 2001 the Receivers were ok, but nothing great.  Of Donald Hayes, Muhsin Muhammad, and Isaac Byrd, only Muhammad would have started for most other teams.  Tight End Wesley Walls gave Weinke a solid target, but he was old and Weinke was hurried too much to take full advantage of his targets anyway.  The 2001 squad also ran a west coast offense, so you would expect their receivers to put up big numbers, and they didn't.  The 2001 Panthers ended with the NFL's 30th ranked offense.

In 2010 the receivers will be led by Steve Smith and a player to be named later, so they're already better than 2001's group.  The Tight Ends are solid, but there's still a risk that the Panthers don't have a solid passing game.  Still, that risk is mitigated somewhat by the ball control offense they run.  There's a lot that the current edition has in common with the 2001 squad, but the Receiving corps is nowhere near as important to the offensive success now.

And finally, the 2001 offensive line just pales in comparison to the 2010 unit.  The only player with any real talent back then was free agent Todd Steussie, and they were missing their signal caller and leader Frank Garcia. 

In 2010, all-pro Jordan Gross returns along with two players who should be all-pro in Left Guard Travelle Wharton and Center Ryan Kalil.  Right Tackle Jeff Otah is another first round pick and a real road-grader, and Right Guard Mackenzie Bernadeau really came through last year as a backup. 

The line has depth as well, with second year Guard Duke Robinson and Tackle Geoff Schwartz.  When you need a hard yard on the ground, this is a group you want to run behind.

On the defensive side of the line things were a little better for the 2001 unit.  Brentson Buckner was a vocal leader, but he was in his first year at Carolina.  Next to him were the rookie Kris Jenkins and journeyman Jay Williams.  Third year player Mike Rucker rounded out the defensive front. 

That unit had potential, but it wouldn't become a real strength for the Panthers until 2002, when Julius Peppers joined the team.  Still, it was the most talented part of the NFL's worst defense.

In 2010, the Panthers have four big question marks on the defensive line.  Julius Peppers was a solid talent that would have made the rest of the line look good if he had returned.  But starting tackles Maake Kemoeatu and Damione Lewis were near the end of their careers, and End Tyler Brayton was also close. 

Now the Panthers have penciled in second year player Everett Brown and third year man Charles Johnson as their starters at Defensive End.  Brown has the speed to rush the passer, but it remains to be seen if a year spent in an NFL-caliber strength training program will pay off with better play against the run. 

Charles Johnson will likely be a true upgrade over Brayton.  He matches Brayton's energy, and although he's not as tall he has more of a feel for where the play is going, and rushes the passer better.  Even if Brayton returned, it's not certain he would have held the starting position.

At Defensive Tackle, Kemoeatu was more of a immovable object than an unstoppable force, and was another player who may have been beaten out in camp.  He was good at stuffing runs up the middle, very good in fact.  But he rarely pressured the quarterback. 

His replacement is slated to be Louis Leonard, who manage a sack in his only full game for the Panthers in 2009.  Leonard is an inch shorter and 25 pounds lighter than Kemoeatu, but he's faster and still has room to get better.  Lewis will be replaced with Corey Irvin or Tank Tyler, neither of whom can be considered an upgrade.

You can try to put a nice face on things, but there's no doubt here.  The line is in worse shape in 2010 than it was in 2001.  But that's just the line.  What about the rest of the defense?

The only 2001 linebacker with any real talent was rookie Dan Morgan, and he was shuttled around between the Middle and Outside for the 11 games that he was healthy.  The 2010 Panthers are lining up with two of the best in the NFL in John Beason and Thomas Davis, and one of the most decorated linebackers in Penn St. history in third year player Dan Connor.  There's no comparison here.

There's no comparison in the secondary either.  The 2001 Panthers were missing their most vocal player in Eric Davis, who passed the leadership mantle to Strong Safety Mike Minter.  The unit was so unimpressive as a whole that Minter was the only member who remained on the 2002 squad. 

Contrast that with the 2010 Panthers, who view their secondary as a strength.  Chris Harris is the vocal ball-stripping leader on the strong side, at the Free Safety they have talent and depth, and the cornerbacks are solid and reliable. 

The 2001 Panthers were coming off a season that exposed their defense as old and slow, with only four players under 30.  On offense they were younger, but even less effective at moving the ball.  The team as a whole was mired in mediocrity, and needed to do something to shake things up. 

After they made their cuts, the Panthers were left with some young leaders who were just finding their way (Minter, Rucker), and others who never really emerged (Weinke).  Seven of their losses were by a field goal or less, and they just didn't have anyone who could put the team on his back and make a play when it was most needed.

The 2010 Panthers are coming off a season that exposed their offense as old and one-dimensional.  Outside of Steve Smith, there were no receiving threats.  Quarterback Jake Delhomme still had the leadership, but he no longer had the accuracy.  They're replacing him with a proven quantity in Matt Moore, and will likely bring in at least two receivers in search of a true number two. 

On defense, the line still never got the pressure that they wanted, but the Secondary and Linebackers improved enough over the course of the season that it almost didn't matter. 

The 2001 Panthers and the 2010 Panthers shared a realization that their rosters had gotten old and that players they had once relied on without hesitation were slowing down and losing what had once made them great.  And both squads took steps to fix it.

But there's a difference.  It would be charitable to say that the 2001 Panthers had entered a rebuilding mode, as they made significant changes to almost every unit on the field. 

But you can't say that about the 2010 edition, it ignores the depth and talent they have at so many critical areas.  Sure, they've lost some players.  But this isn't rebuilding.

It's reloading.

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Excellent post!

Very informative and well written.

Consider this post rec’d.

by bwsmith25 on Mar 10, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Fantastic post Cyberjag...

You match my sentiments on the matter.

I think it’s lazy writing to merely characterize 2010 to be the same as 2001 as Pat Y did, and you have thoroughly proved that in this article.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

What?!? An ESPN columnist lazy?

How dare you bring forth such libelous accusations towards the standard-setting journalism from ESPN.com? :)

by bwsmith25 on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not wholly Pat Yaz's fault

ESPN are behind the times.

The vast majority of current NFL fans are not happy just hearing unanalyzed tidbits about their favorite teams. They want in depth analysis in a way that one person responsible for covering four teams can’t adequately handle.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, this comparison to that scenario is laughable

Why would anyone say that the current moves are similar to 2001. Panthers front office are not finished with what they are doing and all this crazy speculation that they aren’t going to be a playoff contender based off of the most recent cuts is ridiculous. Only Damione Lewis was very productive ranking 6th in QB pressures for interior lineman. Everyone else that was cut, their production (the players that actually had positive production) will be replaced without skipping a beat.

Excellent article!

by jdough on Mar 10, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Great article CJ.

One correction though. Jason Baker is also over 30 and is still with the team.

by SlayerGhaleon on Mar 10, 2010 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for keeping it real Cyberjag

You got my Rec…

Pat Y always used to get under my skin for saying dumb things.

So two offseasons ago we retooled our o-line and they went top10 in rushing. We can do the same with our D.

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Biggest loss may actually be Brad Hoover believe it or not. Think about it. San Diego Chargers who were a run first team with the best RB in the league, got rid of Lorenzo Neal and they couldn’t run the ball after that. I’m not saying Hoover is a Lorenzo Neal, but he’s still a good run blocking FB and Fiametta is largely unproven.

by pancanbra on Mar 10, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

I agree, BUT

With Williams and Stewart they should be able to help him learn on the job, so to speak. Also, SD tried to replace Neal with a converted rookie running back in Jacob Hester, Fiametta is a true fullback who has a year of experience on our team already.

by Cyberjag on Mar 10, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

me no rrrikey

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 10, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I pulled the stats for comparison... I think it's worth to be mentioned again here

Panthers 2009 rushing average with Brad Hoover starting (11 games): 156.2 yards per game
Panthers 2009 rushing average with Tony Fiametta/Tyrell Sutton (5 games): 151 yards per game

There really wasn’t as much of a drop off as you’d think. Furthermore, if you do a truly fair analysis and take away the highest, and lowest rushing games from each parameter the Panthers rushed for more yards with a Fiametta/Sutton FB.

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by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

We shall see

One area I think we’ll immediately improve in is the yardage our FB contributes. Hoov did drop a lot of balls, and offered very little if he did catch it. When he carried the ball, he was money on less that a foot to go, but again offered very little beyond that foot. I think Tony has the speed and agility to create some big plays…he did run a faster 40 than Knowshawn Moreno at the combine last year.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Mar 10, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

the thing that worries me most

is if richard marshall gets away. I am so high on him right now and I just don’t wanna see us mess with something that is young and talented in our secondary…

by SouthernPanther on Mar 10, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

I really hope we can manage to keep Marshall around.

As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity will remain intact for 2010.

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by bwsmith25 on Mar 10, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work Cyberjag

I do think Tank will be an upgrade over Lewis though

by Novar on Mar 10, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

That's the million dollar question

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So we should be better than 30th in the league

I hope we all agree with that. What I’m wondering is if Matt Moore, and a young d-line can perform well enough to be competitive against the World Champion Saints in a tough NFC South division.

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by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 4:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Knowing the NFC South… the Bucs will probably go undefeated

I kid, but the odds are stacked against the Saints repeating if you go by history

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by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not Superstitous

Otherwise known as SouthTunnel. Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.

by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 6:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Neither am I

I do believe in patterns though, and no team has repeated in the history of the NFC South.

2002: Tampa Bay
2003: Carolina
2004: Atlanta
2005: Tampa Bay
2006: New Orleans
2007: Tampa Bay
2008: Carolina
2009: New Orleans

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by James The Aussie on Mar 10, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

All this means is that we are just in a division that has had good coaching and team building

Atlanta will still be tough next year, Saints will still have an incredible offense, Tampa’s a bit of a question mark… but make no mistake, this just goes to show how tough things are in the NFC South.

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by ElBacano on Mar 10, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting that all four teams have won the division at least once

in 8 seasons with no one team dominating though TB has the most with 3

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

In 2005, Tampa won with a tiebreaker

The Panthers had the same record as they did. No dominant team indeed. :)

by Cyberjag on Mar 10, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

But the Panters went on to a Championship

I think that proved who the better team really was ;)

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by ElBacano on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

If anybody's close to 'dominant' in the division, it's been the Panthers.

In the last 7 years (’02 was a 1-5 loser), Carolina has compiled a division record of 28-14.

There’ve been 2 years we’ve split, 3 times we’ve gone 4-2, and twice (‘03 and ’06) that we’ve gone 5-1.

by bigdavis on Mar 11, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Very true

But regardless, barring injuries, the Saints offense is still going to be VERY tough to stop in 10’. And ATL still has huge upside. We can’t take them for granted.

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by ElBacano on Mar 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but there'll be more chance of them taking US for granted!

And that’s historically been when the Panthers have done the best.

by bigdavis on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Very nice post!

I’m off the ledge now. Thanks.

by ALAC on Mar 10, 2010 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

hella nice post Cyberjag

i cant wait to see what happens this offseason

by pantherpride on Mar 10, 2010 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Talent?

How about the talent of the writers and posters of this blog? First class football site.

by Run4est on Mar 10, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Amen to that

Quality reading material here, nonstop.

by EyeSack on Mar 10, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate it guys

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by Jaxon on Mar 10, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, thanks everyone

I appreciate people reading stuff, critiquing and giving me a better community than the office water cooler to talk about the Panthers

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by James The Aussie on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks guys! :D

I’ll have to admit, talking to you guys is much better than having it drilled into my head by my dad that the Panthers suck.

When we do win the Super Bowl, god that’s going to be a sweet off-season!

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

ya you guys are kick ass

i know what you mean rev. my brothers the same way. its murder

by pantherpride on Mar 11, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha.

It’s funny. You can make a good argument. You can tell them about Steve Smith, our great offensive line, and the unfulfilled potential of Matt Moore. You can rave all day about Jon Beason and Thomis Davis, the ball stripping abilities of Chris Harris, and all of the good things Ron Meeks have brought to our defensive system.

But then at the end of every argument, there’s always that unstoppable counter argument. One based on a simple belief, rather than common logic.

“Panthers suck.”

How can you beat that? XD

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 11, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

This

Works every time. :D

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 11, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Great post guys

ESPN, CNNSI, Profootballtalk etc… have nothing on this site. As far as our Panthers go we are way better and way more set in alot of areas than the 2002 team ever dreamed of being. We are set at CB, S, FB, DT (yes I said DT is a set position for us. Only are for concern has to drafting offense and getting a legitmate #2 WR in here and a 3rd slot guy would be nice as well. Drafting a depth DE pick in the 3 or 4 round would be greatly appreciated as well. Veteran backup QB would also be something of use but I still believe that once we start to sign free agents we are going to make some type of buzz.

Go Panthers.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Mar 10, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

Great post Cyber!

Great way to keep it in perspective. Now that I’ve read this article, I think a lot of the problem with this off-season so far is that we are too emotionally attached to some of our players. People that have been here for a long time and who we’ve gotten used to seeing year after year, like Brad Hoover, Jake Delhomme, Muhsin Muhammad, and the list goes on and on.

Losing them all at once is kind of a shocking effect. It’s easy to flip out and think that the Panthers are giving up the next season. But when you take the emotional part of it and put it to the side, and you look at the base talent level of the guys behind in the depth chart, you can make a case for almost every position that it has been improved.

There’s still some positions that need to be addressed, but the Panthers haven’t laid down. Like Chuck Norris, the Panthers never sleep.

They wait.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 11, 2010 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

The end of the article had me thinking of Fox standing and cocking a shotgun

Ca-click, we’re just reloading.

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 11, 2010 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

HAHAHAHAH!

What a fantastic visual, Flow… In fact.. Gimme a minute…. Just a little more… There we go!

Just Reloading…

by D-Ranged1 on Mar 11, 2010 5:05 AM EST up reply actions  

THAT'S AWESOME!!!

As long as the Panthers don't trade for Michael Vick, sign Derek Anderson, or draft Tim Tebow; my sanity (what's left of it, at least) will remain intact for 2010.

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by bwsmith25 on Mar 11, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice!

:3

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Mar 11, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

DUDE! That is awesome!

My brother is staring at me wondering why I’m laughing so hard.

I think that should go up top for our motto, don’t you? :D

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 12, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Great article OP. Very insightful.

"It's a bad day to have a bad day" - Coach John Fox of the Carolina Panthers

by D.W.G. on Mar 11, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

Reminds me...

During my time in the service experienced veterans (in every sense of the word) would rotate out and change duty stations. To those embedded with them it was a real loss and you just had to trust the promising new guys (which you most likely trained) to step in and fill their positions. It took strong believe in the system and chain of command, but invariably the younger guys stepped up and did their jobs.

I have hope that management and the coaching staff have drafted well and trained our promising young players and all they need to alleviate our concerns is the opportunity to prove themselves. Once upon a time Smitty was a promising young kick returner in which very few of us envisioned becoming what he has.

Show the guys some support, stop being naysayers, doom and gloom oriented fans as I am sure the last thing the team needs is a fanbase questioning and doubting them. I love this team, this state but there are an awful lot of pessimists around here. We need to be positive for these guys.

by adamwanderer on Mar 11, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

You guys forget, this happens every year with teams, young guys leave and new guys come and take their place.

Jake Delhomme, QB Carolina Panthers, 2003-2009.

120 TDs+16000+ passing yards=Good

89 INT's+27 lost fumbles=Bad

Most comeback wins since 2003=Priceless

by Flowing Willow on Mar 12, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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