Peppers Exit from Carolina Takes Another Step
As I've been saying for awhile, the chances are slim that Panthers DE Julius Peppers gets the kind of deal he is seeking from the Panthers. Yesterday in a radio interview he confirmed what we've known for quite a while, two years in fact:
"I’m not going to say that, come out and say that," Peppers said. "Last year, at the time, that was the option that I wanted most. But now it’s not."
Confused by that? Me too as far as is he saying last year staying was an option? That's not what I remember.
more after the jump...
This is a little more clear.
"I’m a man of very few words; I understand very well what silence means," Peppers said. "I do it a lot and I understand that. You being silent to me, I understand exactly what you’re trying to say. Because of the lack of communication, that they’ve had with us, if somebody asks me ‘Do I want to stay in Carolina and play for the Panthers next year?,’ it’s like OK, well, how can you say you want to be somewhere if you’re not really sure if they want you. Because they’re not even talking to you.
"They’re not even talking to me, so why would I come out and say I want to be here, when the team is not even acknowledging the fact that my future with the organization is up in the air."
To say he doesn't know if the team wants him is a ridiculous assertion. There is plenty of time to negotiate so to read more into the silence is just looking for a reason to be disgruntled.
He also thinks the franchise tag was not intended to keep him Carolina but instead to insure they get something in return. Where does he get that from? Since he never signed the tag until it was too late for a trade we will never know will we?
“A lot of people don’t really know this, and I’m not sure, it’s just my opinion, but I never felt that they did that with the intent to keep me here,” Peppers said. “I felt like pretty much they did that in an attempt to send me off somewhere else to get compensation, draft picks or whatever it was they were going to get.
“That’s what was going on with that in my opinion. And I’ve got pretty good knowledge of what’s going on with my situation so I feel like I’m right about that.”
Confusing interview in my opinion and hardly productive to the work that needs to be done to get Peppers to his new home.
Update: from a different link here' some good stuff, more positive
“First of all, coach Meeks came in and most of the time change is good,” Peppers said. “He came in with a new attitude and the guys embraced the system. It started out a little rough but as the season went on we progressed and we got better, we got a lot better. I was happy with that and that was encouraging for me. Playing for Meeks and also the relationship I developed with my position coach Brian Baker I felt good about possibly developing a longer relationship with those guys. I enjoyed that. It was a short time but I thought the future was looking a little brighter.”
More head-scratching stuff:
“The record was better, but my side of the ball wasn’t better,” Peppers said of the 2008 season which ended in a blowout loss to Arizona in the playoffs. “I felt like after that season that basically we were going to stay the same or were going to get worse. We declined significantly at the end of that season in points given up and yards. At the end of that season things we’re getting better for that defense. Period. At that time I’m looking at it like, in my eyes I didn feel like we were getting better on that side of the ball so I felt like it was time to try somewhere else… At that time I didn’t see us getting any better, so that’s why I wanted out.”
Peppers acknowledged that the Panthers tried to make him the highest-paid defensive player in the league after the 2007 season but only “very slightly” and added that he “didn’t feel the sincerity behind the offer.”
“It was a personal thing for me. I had two-and-a-half sacks that season and to me I can’t even accept that. That was just a personal thing. For me personally I’m not deserving of that. Why would I accept that offer when my performance was not even at that level?”
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Peppers
In my opinion the Panthers should let him go. To me he plays when he wants to play. I dont see him giving 100% on every play. His salary last year really hurt is in that it took up too much of the cap. Hes not worth what he thinks he is.
by foghorn8 on Feb 9, 2010 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please Keep Him...
I feel as though this is gonna be one of those you don’t know what you’ve got til it’s gone situations. He’s one of the best, if not the best. Hope we don’t let our pride get in the way of a SB run.
by rawjem01 on Feb 9, 2010 9:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm fed up with Peppers
He and Carl need to stay the hell out of the media.
This isn’t Shakespeare, the Panthers’ words (or lack thereof) aren’t frought with metaphor or subterfuge. The team doesn’t have a history or jerking players around during contract negotiations, why would that start now?
The organization is waiting until the owners and the union can meet again to see if they can hammer out a CBA before committing money. The front office want to have a ballpark of what the salary cap could be before offering him a deal. I don’t walk into a car dealership and buy a car without working out if I can afford it in the future, and the Panthers are doing the same.
Why can we understand this, but Peppers’ camp can’t?
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by James The Aussie on Feb 9, 2010 9:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually it seems the interview
was more positive than I first thought. Positive as far as his attitude had changed about staying with the team because of Meeks and Baker. I think Hurney can still pull this one out of the fire of the Panthers can just decide whether to offer or not
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by Jaxon on Feb 9, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Positive
At this point Peppers is not in the drivers seat. The Panthers organization is. I agree with James that Richardson is waiting for all the CBA talk to be over before he can make a decision on Peppers. Peppers knows that too. Unlike the last year, he is happy with his performance, the Panthers defense and Ron Meeks. He also knows that not many teams in the top 8 can aggresively pursue him this year. He also knows that if he does not get a long term deal, he could be looking at NOTHING in 2011. Thats the reason for his desperation. And desperation and a fear of the unknown always leads to incoherant rambling…which we keep hearing every week from him and his agent.
In my opinion he is sending a loud “I AM SORRY GUYS…PLEASE KEEP ME HERE” message to the panthers organization.
by Indian Panther on Feb 9, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
This is mostly his agent, I still hold out hope.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Feb 10, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't keep hanging on every word coming out of Peppers camp
The fact of the matter is… none of this means anything until the Panthers front office makes a decision on his future, and what they are going to offer him. They are not ignoring him nor have they forgotten about him (I am sure), they are simply educating themselves on what they can bring to the table that will make him happy and be best for the future of the team. Until the time where he would become a FA, he is still a Panther, and the Panthers have time to figure out how best to handle the situation.
The Apathy I am starting to feel for this whole “Peppers… will he or won’t he?” thing is starting to grate on my nerves worse than Brett Favre and the Great Jake Debate. Until the PANTHERS ORGANIZATION makes an announcement regarding his status, I will no longer listed to the things coming out of Julius or especially his agent’s mouth.
by Tater596 on Feb 9, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's all about the agent
You can just tell that Pep is, inarticulately, regurgitating to the media all of the bullshit that his agent keeps force feeding him.
“If they wanted you they’d be talking you you, Pep.”
“Pep, they didn’t franchise you because they wanted to keep you here. They franchised you becasue they wanted to get something in return for you.”
“If they really wanted you here, Pep, they’d have made you the highest played defensive player in football….I mean like really not just slightly.”
Carey is such a jerk. It’s all about self interest and a big fat paycheck for himself. Peppers is not the sharpest tool in the shed, and his asshole agent is definitely using that to his advantage.
I fixed Julius’ quote below:
"A lot of people don’t really know this, and I’m not sure, it’s just my (agent’s) opinion, but I never felt that they did that with the intent to keep me here," Peppers said. "I felt like pretty much they did that in an attempt to send me off somewhere else to get compensation, draft picks or whatever it was they were going to get. (At least that is what Carl keeps telling me)
by dudemanhey on Feb 9, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
I agree 100%
Thumbs up, +1 and recced.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I concur completely.
You’ve taken my thoughts and you’ve put them in writing. Well done. I’m convinced that Carl is a agent sent from Al Davis in order to sabotage us. His plan is coming to fruition.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Feb 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This green background is cool
I don’t know how many Recs a post has to get to earn the green (I see this one has 7 recs), but I’d say that instead of posting a “+1” for a post we like and agree with, we ought to be doing the Rec thing more often (or at the same time as the +1) — that way, a really good post would get more recognition.
by bigdavis on Feb 10, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 rec's make it green
2 flags make it red
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by Jaxon on Feb 11, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps there is a reason why Pep never talks to the media. The guy makes little to no sense when he talks a bout things. I still love Pep, but damn man. You can’t go flying off the handle here like that. And that crap about declining that monstrous deal becuase:
bq."It was a personal thing for me. I had two-and-a-half sacks that season and to me I can’t even accept that. That was just a personal thing. For me personally I’m not deserving of that. Why would I accept that offer when my performance was not even at that level?"
All I can say is: WTF?
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by Ivan459 on Feb 9, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Peppers is clearly...
…being manipulated by his agent.
Pep doesn’t know what he thinks about the contracts and so on — He is rich beyond his wildest imagination. He just is (mistakenly) trusting his agent to do what is best for him.
by dudemanhey on Feb 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The interviewer was pushing him out the door
You sound like you dont want to be here….
I bet this silence is really pissing you off….
Geez they dont respect you at all….
by ERL on Feb 9, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is the kind of crap that lands you on ESPN
They played bits and pieces of it on Sportscenter today while I was having lunch. I was disgusted.
by Tater596 on Feb 9, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let him go
free up that money we can get 3 maybe 4 quality players with that money charles johnson is a up and comer he just needs the nod to start
by carprosports on Feb 9, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1...this is Charles Johnson's year
High motor, strongest guy on the team. Put him on the right side and let him go
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by Jaxon on Feb 9, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree, except I would like to see Johnson on the left side with Brown on the right.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Feb 9, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is money the issue for so many fans?
There is no salary cap and the money is not yours, directly.
by ERL on Feb 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thinking about the money as a fan is just a way of being realistic and rational otherwise we’re just dreaming getting nowhere. you have to think what the owner woud and could do.
by ieatcrayons on Feb 9, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would*t
there needs to be an edit option :|
by ieatcrayons on Feb 9, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that angle
It just shouldn’t be the only reason you don’t want to bring him back, IMO.
by ERL on Feb 9, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let him go…he has come to TRUST his agent and that appears to be the one relationship he’s not willing to end…let the next team deal with his agent….Very sad that a player of this potential dosent have a warm blooded human he trusts enough to open his eyes to the truth about this obvious Snake thats really calling the shots…his agent.Does Peppers not have a family member out there that can explain to him the truth about whats going on???Very Sad..I’m gonna miss him
by Panther Eddie on Feb 9, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SHOW ME THE MONEY!
For all the bad mouthing we do of Pep’s agent, the man has gotten Julius paid mega bucks – and essentially that is his job. He IS a prick, yes, with the media talking points he trots out there. But his job is to further Pep’s career, and one way of doing that is to get him the biggest, fattest paycheck possible, at all costs.
A sense of loyalty to a team, and/or making a final decision about what team (and for what contract) Pep decides to play for is not the job of agent Carl Carey or any family member – they will only potentially benefit from Carey’s actions, and arguably Pep will too. The buck stops with Julius Peppers on whether he wants to be a Panther right now. I think they are willing to pay him to play at whatever his market value is, but not more that.
What are Julius Peppers true motivations? Money? A Super Bowl ring? Personal acclaim on the field? A change of scenery before retirement? Maybe all of the above. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not Julius believes the Panthers can give him what (and or enough of) what he wants? And no one else.
by dudemanhey on Feb 9, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The agent’s number one priority shouldn’t be the money, but the what is in the player’s best interest. Sometimes that is money, other times it isn’t.
Peppers has to decide for himself what he wants, and at this point I’d say the guy is as confused about that as anyone else is.
by the bomb dot com on Feb 9, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mega Bucks?
Julius has gotten himself paid by being awesome. If the agent were doing his job Julius would have either signed a long-term extension a while back or signed a big deal last year. There is a reason you don’t see guys franchised 2 years in a row like this.
by Mr. E on Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Allegiance and loyalty to team and teammates should come before allegiance to agent.
Learn to think for yourself, man.
by bigdavis on Feb 9, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel confident that this Agent could probably replace reverend Wright at the pulpit…Peppers is the victim of being offered the highest contract of any defensive player in the game…BUT ONLY BY A LITTLE?WTF WTF….Agent is down WRIGHT EVIL…Peppers needs intervention to save this great player from his AGENT!Peppers really is the VICTIM!….but of WRONG Agentitice…Wake Up PEP…Please
by Panther Eddie on Feb 9, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've come up with a new name for Carl....
Wormtongue.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Feb 9, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
because everything he says is filthy and dirty?
by Tater596 on Feb 9, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That....and he reminds me of the character from Lord of the Rings
Staying by the side of the noble king, corrupting him slowly with his lies. We need to have the immortal Jerry Richardson rush in there and strike him down with a mighty blow!
“Be gone foul creature! No more will you stench up the land with your wicked presence!”
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Feb 9, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Ivan459 on Feb 9, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I saw his agent on Wall Street this morning trying to broker a deal for used shoes.
by tarheelfan on Feb 9, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HUH?!?
Peppers acknowledged that the Panthers tried to make him the highest-paid defensive player in the league after the 2007 season but only "very slightly" and added that he "didn’t feel the sincerity behind the offer."
This quote made me laugh out loud. So what you’re saying, Pep, is that even though this organization tried to make you the highest paid player in the league on your side of the ball, you don’t think they really want you around?!?!?
I mean, what the hell does “very slightly” even mean? How much more than EVERYONE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE do you need to get paid, Pep? 1 million? 10 million? If the organization you play for is offering you the highest contract there is, how does that NOT represent how much they want you to play for them? I don’t care whether the contract is 300k higher, or 300 MILLION higher. A number that size can be nothing BUT sincere, and saying that it isn’t is either being deliberately obtuse, or showing stupidity of the highest magnitude.
I gotta say, I was all for the Panthers pulling out the stops to re-sign this guy. His impact in the games where he actually shows up is THE difference, even though I had some concerns about his play in other games, where he seems to kinda mail it in. He really is the kind of player who can turn a whole game around on one play, causing turnovers that either are directly turned into points, or are giving the offense the short field. I had a conversation with my brother the day of the Super Bowl, talking about how we CANNOT afford to let this guy go, even if we get draft picks for him in return. I just felt like no matter what, we were NOT going to get an upgrade at that position from the draft or anywhere else…..
Key word in that last statement is “FELT”. As in past tense. Pep has gone from being a “pride and glory” player to a “paycheck” player. Somehow. Somewhere. Maybe that is simply the result of a money-grubbing agent. But for whatever reason, he has lost that competitive edge, evidenced by his willingness to play hard on SOME days, instead of on ALL days, and certainly needs to go elsewhere now. Which just KILLS me.
He has the ability, if he brings it on EVERY play, to be a Hall of Famer, I have no doubt in my mind. He grew up here, played his college ball here, and has an opportunity to retire as the greatest Panther ever, in my book. In the city of Charlotte, the guy has carte blanche for Christ sake. Instead of THAT, you’d rather be a merc, Pep. Playing for the money, instead of the cheers of the fans and the glory of the being the best, the way a true gladiator should. WTFXUP?
by The Kackalack Kid on Feb 9, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Get rid of the Pep and bring in some Salt
I love the Panthers just like everyone else here and we all need to realize that this situation is only going to get worse. Thanks to “Big Cat” Jerry Richardson we are one of the best franchise’s in THE league. Throughout our short tenure we have been able to play strong football and completely avoid the limelight. If I recall only a few years ago, we were on the SI Cover with Moose’s finger to his lips, “The Secret is Out”. (If that cover isn’t framed in your secret man cave, then well…shame on you). With all this being said, it is time for Peppers to go. I personally do not blame him, but absolutely agree with what everyone else has said about his agent Grima Wormtongue (courtesy of Revshawn). Either way, I pity Peppers in a way because he has no idea what he is doing to himself. Leaving one of the best franchises around to end up wherever his agent lands him a job. Yeah he will be making the big bucks, but he’ll never have the Carolina Pride cheering him on again. Overall, he is done here and I have a feeling it will be an even rougher relationship as this break up continues. Even after he leaves he will be a tough spot to fill and our wounds will hurt when we try a quick fix with the “Salt”. But guess what Panther fans, we got another Super Bowl run just right around the corner with Mr. Moore at the helm.
by Pyscho Tim on Feb 9, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Play Doh for brains . . .
Withing this interview you see contradictions. Last season the Panthers offered him a long term deal making him the highest paid at his position. He did NOT respond to the offer so they franchised him. Now that the Panthers realize he takes plays off, is known by his teammates to NOT be worth the money, and that he no longer can catch QB’s who leave the pocket (see Eagles game film!), he wants to whine and complain.
When Peppers first came here, I was one of his biggest supporters, but over the past three seasons I have found why teams no longer double team him. If he played half as hard as Jared Allen or his own teammate, Jon Beason, this salary situation would not be a distraction to improving the team.
In closing, I wish him well in another city. I wish Carolina the best using the 20 million to fill holes needing filling, and I hope that they find Jake a new home a well!
by GeneN on Feb 9, 2010 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty obvious what's wrong
Peppers knows he’s on a bad team now and wants a chance to play on a real contender. He’s a gamer; he wants to win.
Send him to the Patriots or the Eagles and he’ll have a chance to play his heart out and take a team to the Super Bowl. The Panthers just don’t have what it takes to really make use of his unique talents.
by MyronBales on Feb 9, 2010 9:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's also obviously an introverted personality type
And he hates being in the spotlight, or being the center of attention.
In Carolina he was seen as the savior of the franchise – a local college star who was going to take this team to the next level and be their Reggie White. Other than maybe Steve Smith, Carolina doesn’t really have any big star players and Peppers has to take the spotlight every season. He doesn’t want that.
He’d rather be on a team with other legit big-time stars and playmakers like the aforementioned Eagles or Patriots – a team where he can be a valuable component but not necessarily the center of attention or the hope of an entire franchise.
by MyronBales on Feb 9, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Peppers hates the spotlight thats why for a second season in a row he’s making such noise. He wanted to go somewhere else cause we weren’t utilizing him how he wanted to be up until this season when Ron Meeks came. He’s even quoted as saying how much more he enjoyed this system last season. How would going to a larger market team make him any less in the spotlight?
by EyeSack on Feb 10, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers you Pathetic Man-Child
What a waste. Please go off and count the cheese kurds between your toes and let us get a FOOTBALL PLAYER!! Not a freak of nature who only plays when he FEELS LIKE IT.
Yeah, the league knows your dirty little secret. And it ain’t so secret.
Dude will be lucky to make half Charles Johnson’s money while waiting around to get blocked by tight ends or when he can play the Detroits and Clevelands of the league and rack up cheap sack numbers. What a waste of a career.
by Barbados on Feb 9, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I just listened to the WFNZ Interview. No wonder he never talks. The man is an idiot. Like “Dude, where’s my hand-out”
Playing football is obviously not his interest. Collecting money for standing around is.
by Barbados on Feb 9, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is so weird.
He’s definitely being fed something by his agent and that he’s just regurgitating it. How many times does he say ‘we’ in that conversation? We this. We that.
“Silence says a lot without saying anything.” He says that several times during the course of the conversation. My god, and the way he says that the Panthers offered to make him the highest paid DE in the league ‘only slightly.’ That’s like taking the Panthers good faith and slapping them back in the face.
Good grief. Tag and trade his ass. If I could measure my respect for him in terms of stock, I think I just went bankrupt.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Feb 10, 2010 2:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Packers fan visiting here
Where can you trade him though? His contract is rather prohibitive and I thought he searched for trade options last year to no avail (though I could be wrong here, you guys would know better than me)
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Feb 11, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in theory if we sign him to a franchise tag and he signs it....
We can trade him wherever we want. Usually what happens in deals like this is that we give permission for another team to negotiate with Peppers for a long-term contract. They do so, and they come to an agreement. After that, the Panthers carry out the trade for x amount of picks and players, and the contract is signed thereafter on the same day.
The problem is Pepper’s agent. He’s shown that he has no qualms in throwing all professionalism out the window in favor of being a general pain in the ass. The reason we couldn’t trade him last year is that his agent wouldn’t let Peppers sign the franchise tag until training camp. Without Peppers being under contract, we couldn’t trade him. That was the major problem last year, Pepper’s little 4 team list didn’t make a bit of difference if he wasn’t under contract.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Feb 11, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with everything you said here
But I still don’t see what team is gonna be able to pull off a trade for Peppers. I don’t think the Panthers will be able to get a similar haul to what the Chiefs got for Jared Allen, and I think Peppers is a superior player to Allen (tho my hatred for those bums in purple might be blinding me). Now if Peppers could just learn to rope some invisible cattle after every sack like Allen he would definitely have a step up on him. For now I’m not sure how you guys can keep playing with all of those invisible cattle running around with nothing to keep them in check.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Feb 12, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3rd highest paid player in the league last year!
Greed is a terrible thing.
Look at this top ten list — other than Manning, Big Ben, and Brady, who was worth it?
by bigdavis on Feb 10, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can't hate on you Pep
I’ve been reading a lot of people’s comments and I understand that the fans are heated with Peppers and his agent. But we all have to remember, Peppers and his agent is doing what is best for his family, and that should be their primary focus. The agent is a huge D-bag, but money is money. Lebron said it best when he said that players shouldn’t have to show loyalty to teams b/c 9 times out of 10, teams don’t show loyalty to players. Look at the LT situation, LT put the Chargers on the map, but now they’re about to cut him.
I want Peppers to be on the team for sure, but I think the Panthers could live without him. I would rather us spend money on the offense because I don’t think the Panthers are too far from being UNSTOPPABLE on offense.
All I’m trying to say is I think Peppers has proved over time that he is a good person and not just a greedy a**hole. But we can’t trash Peppers and his agent for trying to get more money, b/c that is always the goal for anyone. Remember, we can’t place judgement on someone’s financial situation, all we can do is wish him luck. He at least deserves that.
by Da Kid Long on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I love Pep, and I hope he stays. He is worth whatever the Panthers or any other team is willing to pay him. That is the beauty of capitalism.
by ERL on Feb 10, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trade his ass to Oakland
He and Richard Seymour can think back to the good old days.
Sorry Pep… the grass isn’t always greener.
- The fans shower him with adoration.
Pep’s reaction: He’s sick of being noticed everywhere he goes.
- Richardson offers to make him the highest paid defensive player in NFL history.
Pep’s reaction: “Well… I don’t think that offer was sincere”
- Panthers fail to call him 3 weeks into the 2010 offseason.
Pep’s reaction: “They don’t want me”… clearly he fails to see the irony that he ignored the team for four months in the 2009 offseason.
- Panthers tell Pep and Carey to find a trade partner in ‘09
Pep’s reaction: I’ll go to only 5 teams and they have to play a 3-4
- Richardson tells Pep after Rucker leaving that he would love him to become a leader on defense.
Pep’s reaction: Pouts, then follows it up with a 2 1/2 sack season
Peppers has completely worn my patience thin. He’s constantly trying to make the organization seem like the bad guys and portray himself as this saint.
There’s a reason players have a history of giving the Panthers discounts, or saying early they want to retire a Panther.
There’s a reason we don’t have rookie holdouts, or contractual holdouts on a regular basis.
There’s a reason Drew Rosenhaus (You know, a real agent) says the Panthers are one of the easiest organizations to work with.
There’s a reason that despite what happens when players leave they remain in contact with the team and the area (Stephen Davis, Brentson Buckner, Ricky Proehl, Mike Rucker, Mike Minter, Dan Morgan).
This isn’t about money, or talent… it’s about dealing with a primadonna…. it’s about dealing with the scary combination of a player who plays when he feels like it (Albert Haynesworth) and a player who is two walnuts short of a fruitcake (Ricky Williams).
I’m tired of the drama and tired of the BS. If we lose him for no compensation I think this team will be better in the long run to have a peaceful offseason with no drama from #90.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Feb 10, 2010 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I feel you, but don't let your emotions get the best of you...
I agree that the Panthers should trade him, but you can’t be mad at Peppers when it comes to compensation. Again, no matter how much we speculate, his finances are between him his agent, and Hurney. Him saying he didn’t want the contract b/c he didn’t feel it was sincere is complete BS, but I think we can all agree that its just posturing for him to get more money out of Carolina (or another team). Can’t hate on him for trying to get more money.
But you do have a point in being pissed off about his up and down play. Him not playing hard every down kills me, and I am sometimes disgusted with him when he plays. So I hear you on that Aussie.
I think we should try our best to trade him to Denver and somehow get Marshall. He’ll be in the AFC where we won’t have to see him, AND we are going to need a WR b/c Stevie is getting older. Having a cornerstone WR and RB would be huge for us. Even if we can’t do it for Marshall, I truly believe we should try to trade for a veteran WR.
Quote that!
by Da Kid Long on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not the compensation that bothers me. If Richardson wants the organization to spend his money to make Peppers the highest paid defensive player in history, then that’s his perogative. Who am I to argue?
However, my problems are not the the compensation or money… it’s the attitude. Whether it was by Carey’s deft hand or not, a switch was flipped in Peppers’ mind that he was bigger than the organization, or bigger than the game itself.
He ignored his teammates (Beason said in the 2009 offseason that Peppers did not return his calls and did not see him until camp) and when that pattern of behavior emerges you see that Julius had a grudge than ran far deeper than his paycheck. It’s rumored one of the main reasons Trgovac left was Peppers… of course I’m not slighting his leaving now. Trgo has a good thing in Green Bay, and we have my main man crush in Ron Meeks, but that characterizes what Peppers is doing.
In my unabashed bias the Panthers are one of the classiest organizations in the NFL. Richardson is constantly mentioned as not only being one of the best owners, but a champion for the integrity of the game. We’re talking about a man who fired his own sons for fear of things being done ‘the wrong way’ by his sons should he die.
I get emotional about it because I think the Big Cat did everything to try and take Peppers under his wing and let him shine. The organization gave Peppers the opportunity to get what he supposedly wanted, a long term deal and big dollars… yet he declined. Now his camp preens to the media like a peacock lording over the organization telling anyone who’ll listen what is and isn’t on the table.
While I desire nothing more than for the Panthers to trade him and be rid of him, part of me would love to see the Panthers franchise his ass and let him ride the pine for an entire season. Maybe, if nothing else, he’ll have a desire to play and learn a little humility in the process.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Feb 10, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Packers fan
I see some parallels to the whole Favre thing. Peppers hasn’t exactly treated the Panthers the way they have treated him. He thinks he’s bigger than the team. He obviously doesn’t have the length of time with the Panthers that Favre had with the Packers but he has been with them for a long time and feels disrespected at every turn, though most rational people would say he has no right to feel disrespected. It’s not a perfect comparison by any means but there are some parallels there.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Feb 11, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel for the Packers
Favre jerked around the Packers far more than Pep has the Panthers.
Brett’s problem was he thought the game would stop for him and bend to his will (ironically like the Vikings do now). Green Bay gave him every opportunity to return but had to move ahead when he finally said no.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 12, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s making money, and then there’s just plain being greedy. A man’s integrity is worth more than his wealth. He could have been remembered as the best DE to ever play the game but instead he would rather take his money and run, being remembered as the guy who pitched a fit because being only slightly the highest paid wasn’t enough.
by EyeSack on Feb 10, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ego and money fuel everyone in Pro Sports ~ Which is why a work stoppage is coming.
Carl Carey is the biggest moron to ever dream about being an NFL agent; the guy is totally clueless. For crying out loud when is Peppers going to think for himself already ?? I am sick and tired of the drama and we could get 3-5 good players if not starters for what Peppers is costing and the DE market in this year draft looks good as well.
Peppers is really upset at himself b/c the Panthers are doing exactly what he did to us as a organization last year; we are saying little of nothing and just kicking back and watching Peppers spin his wheels.
Set Peppers free and save the money for this season and whenever we play football after 2010 season LOL if a new CBA agreement cannot be reached.
The Peppers situation and the situation regarding the money that teams are throwing at Top Picks in each years draft in the main reason why a strike is going to happen in the NFL.
When do you pro athletes have or get enough money ?? Look at this economy seriously is a player worth a 7yr $100 + contract give me a break, enough is enough. Let the NFL players go on strike and bring on the replacement players I would have no problem with it.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it sucks he could be the best DE in history… if that’s what he wanted. instead he’s so deep in who he is and doesn’t see the big picture. he has no idea what it’s like to be a regular guy making 40 or 50 grand a year and is just unable to put himself in those shoes. the guy is blessed but only cares about money and himself and his agent is perpetuating it. I never see him mention not winning a championship as a big concern of his. when he wanted out his reasons were “he” could be used better. selfish.
by ieatcrayons on Feb 10, 2010 5:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not just DE
I think if Peppers wanted it he could be the most dominant defender in the history of the NFL… rivaling Lawrence Taylor for that moniker.
He just doesn’t care enough
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by James The Aussie on Feb 10, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else see the irony??
While people are lambasting Peppers on this post because he doesn’t have the proper loyalty to his team, this blog has been running an ongoing series of posts regarding whether or not ( you fill in the player’s name) should be cut.
by gripbd on Feb 12, 2010 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cutting players based on performance is part of the business... every player knows that coming into the league.
People get fired from their jobs for poor performace (when the economy is good, that is) and the world still turns.
Peppers and his agent trying to hold a gun to the head of the organization by playing hardball is not an every day occurrence. Nor is turning down a giant contract then crying by the phone when you haven’t been called in three weeks.
Maybe I’m the only one who fails to see the irony.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 12, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's my point
Nobody really thinks that loyalty is part of the equation. But everyone who’s mad at Peppers is mad because he’s not loyal enough.
And…..what gun? Nobody made the Panthers put the tag on Peppers last year. It wasn’t what Peppers wanted. Hardball is when the player holds out and refuses to play, or practice, or when the player or his agent makes public statements that are so poisonous that his continued presence on the team can only have a negative impact. We’ve all seen that happen before with other players. Neither Peppers nor his agent have done this – to their credit.
by gripbd on Feb 13, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardball is when the player holds out and refuses to play, or practice, or when the player or his agent makes public statements that are so poisonous that his continued presence on the team can only have a negative impact.. . . Neither Peppers nor his agent have done this – to their credit.
I wholly disagree. Peppers held out last season until the last possible moment to sign the tender. Then this season Carey told media outlets he expected Julius would have a new team, then Peppers himself said that a long term deal was ‘off the table’.
These are toxic public actions that negatively effect any positive negotiations between Peppers and the team.
Last time I checked Thomas Davis and Richard Mashall both need new contracts too… are they or their agents talking to the media about being unappreciated? Are they talking about Davis or Marshall likely having a new team?
The answer is an emphatic ‘no’ on both accounts.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 13, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he didn't sign the tender until the last minute...
it would have been stupid to do so. Why would he give the Panthers the opportunity to trade him to Detroit or Oakland. He had earned the right – by playing out his initial contract at a high level – to have a say in where he would play next. Yes, it was limited in the sense that the Panthers could compel him to play for Carolina, but he had the power to keep Carolina from forcing him to play anywhere else.
The context of both Peppers’ and Carey’s comments were that it appeared that it was the Panthers who had made a decision not to re-sign Peppers. With all respect, I can’t see how these statements could be considered to be “toxic.” The statements also were made in response to the release of information that is originating from the Panthers’ FO.
by gripbd on Feb 13, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also James...
Please give me a link or something to a statement saying that Peppers is “unappreciated.” If he said that, I missed it and I’ll be willing to concede your point. But I don’t remember reading anything comparable to statements by the likes of TO, Cutler, Wilfork, Marshall, etc.
by gripbd on Feb 13, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From Peppers' interview
Because of the lack of communication they’ve had with us, if someone were to ask me do I want to stay in Carolina and play for the Panthers next year, it’s like, ok, how can you say you want to be somewhere when you’re not really sure if they want you here because they’re not even talking to you…For a person being silent to me, I understand exactly what you’re trying to say
Taken directly from elements of the transcript found here.
Sounds exactly like someone who thinks they’re unappreciated.
If you have a link to any of the “information that is originating from the Panthers’ FO” I would love to read it. Every time I hear anyone from the front office talk they’re not giving out any information one way or another.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 13, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers was just throwing a fit
The best thing for him was to work hand in hand with the Panthers to find a suitable trade. By not signing the tender, we couldn’t negotiate, and i’m sure the teams didn’t want to negotiate with Carey, which is why a deal didn’t get done. He held a gun to our head, trying to get us to send him to the open market. We wouldn’t because that didn’t get us decent value. But had Peppers worked hand in hadn with us, everyone would have won. Peppers would have gotten his new team, deal, etc, and we would have gotten great value to replace him.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Feb 14, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This blog doesn't subscribe to any set of beliefs
no agenda either. Just fans talking who sometimes offer conflicting points of view.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
by Jaxon on Feb 12, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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