Carolina Panthers Draft Forecast
2010 Carolina Panthers Draft Prediction
Feb 23, 2010
Alright Panther Fans, it is almost 2 months before the NFL draft in April and the combine is just getting underway. Put simply, this is a prediction of how the Panthers will do come Draft Day. To my best effort, I tried to make this as impartial as possible and as realistic as possible. Thus, this is not what I WANT us to pick, but what I think the Panthers front office may do. I have had some success doing this as I've done this the past few years and predicted that we would pick up Jarrett, Kalil, Connor, Stewart, Otah, D Robinson, and Munnerlyn. Some of the stuff I am going to propose might sound a little outlandish, but hear me out because I have put some thought into assessing draft history, team needs, and front office tendencies. This prediction will start out specific and progressively get more general because it is tougher to know what happens down the road and who will be available. Let me know what ya’ll think, and I would love to see ya’lls draft predictions, but please try to be as realistic as possible.
Team Needs:
High Priority: DE, WR- With Pep gone, DE has vaulted itself to the #1 position of greatest dire need. WR is a close second. Both are such an area of need that might require spending multiple picks on these positions.
Medium Priority: CB, OLB, DT-CB depth all depends on whether Marshall resigns, but could still add a player. With Diggs at OLB, the position could be upgraded or at least afforded some more depth. If Thomas Davis doesn’t resign or won’t be physically able to go next season, LB will become a high priority in the draft. Need a great DT, but are now loaded with young players coming off IR.
Regular Priority: QB, OL - Have depth at OL, but can always add more talent. Although many think QB is a much higher priority here, the reality is that Fox and Hurney are satisfied with Moore and Delhomme. Even if we were to spend a high draft pick on a QB this year, he most likely wouldn’t start, and with Fox and Hurney being on the hot seat, they don’t care too much about rebuilding this position long-term.
No Priority: RB, FB, MLB, S –Plenty of talent here, no need to spend draft picks on them. With 3 good safeties, no need to spend pick here but may draft a player in the mold of a CB/S.
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Round |
Player |
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Late 1st, early-to mid 2nd |
Jason Pierre Paul, DE, USF |
Come draft day, many teams will be looking at defensive linemen, and many may disregard Paul as a one year wonder, and a semi-productive player to obtain other some of the elite DE’s of the draft: Derrick Morgan, Carlos Dunlap, Brandon Graham, and Everson Griffen. I believe the aforementioned four will go in the 1st round and Paul will slip and very possibly fall to the late 1st, early to mid 2nd round.
The thing to keep in mind here is that the Carolina Panthers go into drafts having their eyes set on certain players, and they have proven to be assertive to go and get the players that they want, if they are available by trading draft picks (see Everette Brown 2009, Jeff Otah 2008, and Jon Beason and Dwayne Jarrett 2007). Additionally, the Panthers front office is also very high on drafting their core players, and not buying en masse them through free agency. Furthermore, the Panthers have a limited number of picks this year because they have traded many away, as they sold this year’s first to obtain Brown and Goodson in last year’s draft, and traded other picks for defensive tackles during the season (see Tank Tyler and Louis Leonard). This leaves the Panthers with picks 2,3,4,6,7 to obtain players. That’s only 5 picks to rebuild, and since stocking players through the draft is their rebuilding method of choice, they will make a move. Like the past few years, Hurney and Fox will recognize that this may be their last year, and that the time is now to win and go into the playoffs. With this conclusion, they will trade next year’s 1st for more draft picks, which will be a 2nd rounder and possibly a 4th rounder (not sure exactly how it will shake down though, I’m just trying to assert that the Panthers will trade for a draft pick). Don’t believe me? Hurney and Fox have become adept at trading picks, and mortgaging their future—for the past three years, the Panthers have made draft day trades to acquire the players they so covet(see 2007 Jon Beason and trading down, 2008 trading with Philly for Otah, 2009 trading 2010 1st for Brown). Although many will probably think this is an outlandish proposal, I think it is very possible that Hurney and Fox will make a trade come draft day. Just don’t be surprised if they do trade for picks come draft day ya’ll, I for one wouldn’t rule it out…
Now back to Jason Pierre-Paul. Paul started only 1 year at South Florida, playing opposite star George Selvie. He is much like Jeff Otah, in that he is raw because he does not have a lot of football experience being somewhat recently new to football. Although raw as an oyster, he is very athletic and has potential through the roof. He comes from a family that didn’t have much so he is very motivated to do well, and is even focused on his education. Last year at USF, Paul overshadowed Selvie to some degree (40 tackles, 3 sacks) in 2009 having 42 tackles, 6 sacks, and an interception for a touchdown. Some think he is a one year wonder and that he did not have THAT great of a year. Also, many teams will most likely be tentative to spend such a high draft pick on such a raw/uncertain prospect (but you never know with Al Davis). This is why he may be prone to slipping on draft day. Also, with Morgan, Dunlap, Graham, and Griffen, teams will have many choices on good 4-3 DE’s, and some may not want to take the risk on such a developmental player. Just like Calais Campbell and Everette Brown slipped into the second round the past few years, Pierre Paul may be passed on initially. Thus, I see him potentially slipping on draft day (I could be totally wrong though and every team in the league could be salivating just at the thought of him).
Okay, now back to the Panthers. When Julius Peppers left un-franchised, he created a giant vacuum and hole on our defensive line and team. Yes, WR is a huge weakness of this team, but I am not sure how much people have recognized that Peppers’ departure has weakened our team. For now, we have Charles Johnson, a rotational player (and a good one at that), and 2nd year player Everette Brown slated to take the reins. While Johnson and Brown could be fine starters on the line, we still don’t have any depth because we have not yet signed anyone in FA or resigned Tyler Brayton. Even if we do resign Brayton, we need depth and talent on the line. Yes, the Panthers may look at DTs in the draft, but with Lewis, Kemo, Hayden, Irvin, Tyler, Leonard, etc…on our roster, make no mistake the Panthers will be very focused at drafting a DE. Pierre-Paul, although he did have good, albeit not great numbers in 2009, is an athletic freak in the mold of J Pep (He even wears number 90). The man is such an althetic freak and talent that he can even do a backflip in full pads, and has tremendous upside at 6-6, 263 and probably around 4.65-4.7 40 time. One difference from J Pep though is that he is a work machine and brings the energy.
Thus, with Pierre-Paul potentially falling, the Panthers trading next year’s draft pick, and looking for a great DE, Paul will be our guy. Any questions so far?
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2nd |
Damian Williams, WR, USC |
It is no secret that the Panthers need a playmaker opposite Smitty. Hell, he even said it himself. Without a legitimate threat opposite Smitty (and Helen Keller as our QB), OC Davidson was hesitant to ever put the ball in the air. As a result, teams loaded up on the run. Thus, we need a threat opposite Smitty now.
The Panthers other options at WR aren’t great. Muhammad hasn’t yet been resigned, and even if he is, he is freakin’ old and his production is declining fast. Although Dwayne Jarrett did come on at the end of last year with a quarterback change and a significant increase in playing time, we still need another threat. Kenny Moore works out and follows Smitty, but is not yet ready to become a starter or play significant chunks of minutes. Charly Martin is also in the same boat as K Moore. Thus, WE NEED ANOTHER WR!!
Dez Bryant will go in the first as will Golden Tate. Yes Golden Tate will go in the 1st, don’t buy into some of these mock drafts, he is simply too good of a talent. Brandon Lafell may go in the 1st, maybe in the 2nd, I’m not Nostradomus though so I don’t know. Arrelious Benn may also go before us, I don’t know where he’ll go (maybe to the Raiders), I just know the Panthers aren’t picking him. I also think Mardy Gilyard and Jordan Shipley will shoot up draft boards and be very high on other teams lists, so it is very possible we don’t get them, although we have a chance to and just may given the chance. Following these WRs, and with our other 2nd pick, there will be many available (Williams, Thomas, Decker, Alexander, Ford, etc…) BUT the Cats will choose Damian Williams from USC.
Yes, I know this would make 2 D-Williams on the team, but I think Hurney and Fox put this aside. The Panthers LOVE USC kids (see Colbert, Kalil, Jarrett), especially USC WRs, I guess because it is more of a pro style offense. Anywho, Damian is 6-1, 195 and will probably run a 4.45. He had 70 rec, 1010 yds, and 6 tds in 2009. He played well consistently in just about every game and against every team. Athletic, good route runner and hands, deep threat, and can return punts. Therefore, Cats take Damian in the 2nd.
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3rd |
Jason Fox, OT, the U (Miami) |
So last year our tackles, Otah and Gross went down and Travelle Wharton had to switch to the tackle spot and backups filled the rest of the line. While the backups did a fine job, the Carolina Panthers focus is on pounding the ball, and that starts up front, with the ‘big uglies.’ While Gross and Otah will be back and we do have satisfactory backups in Geoff Schwartz and Mackenzy Bernadeau, we could use another backup or at least someone to replace Keydrick Vincent. In the past couple of years, we have had to rely on our backups due to injury, and thus it never hurts to stockpile talent on the line.
Fox has been a rock on Miami’s O-line since he has stepped on campus. At 6-7, 314 the guy is a beast. One of the better offensive tackles in the draft, but will be drafted lower because he has risky health issues. His list of health issues are long as he has had knee surgery and has an irregular heartbeat. I could see the Panthers picking him up, though he may go later due to health issues.
Other Possible Picks:
DT: Geno Atkins, Georgia
OLB: Rennie Curran, Georgia
CB: Jerome Murphy, USF
WR: Jacoby Ford, Clemson
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4th |
Riley Cooper, WR, UF |
The Panthers have already taken a receiver, but need so much help there, they will draft talent at this position twice. Don’t believe me? In 2009, they drafted 2 CBs because the position was of such desperate need, in 2008 3 OL, in 2007 2 WR, in 2005 3 OL…get the point?? When the Panthers are desperate in need of talent, they take multiple players at that position. Therefore, the Panthers will be looking at a second receiver in the 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th rounds.
With Percy Harvin gone, Cooper quickly became one of Tebow’s favorite targets and increased his production significantly. In 2009, he had 51 rec, 961 yds, and 9 tds. At 6-3, 215 Cooper looks like a taller Wes Welker who could play the slot.
Other Possible Picks:
QB: Sean Canfield, Oregon St, Bill Stull, Pitt
DE: Lindsey Witten, UConn
OLB: Dekoda Watson, FSU
CB: Jerome Murphy, USF
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5th and 6th |
Bill Stull, QB, Pitt |
Okay, so getting down to the later rounds. Not sure which picks we may have, and what if any compensatory picks we may have. Therefore, here on out, I will list players and positions that may be targeted in these later rounds.
Besides Matt Moore’s remarkable play to end last season, the Panthers will be looking for a QB for the future. QB is a priority in the draft, but don’t think the Cats will use a high draft pick on one, or that they will draft someone like Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, Tony Pike, or any of those type QBs. The front office won’t take a QB with a high pick because that’s simply not Hurney or Fox’s style, and they wouldn’t play this season anyway. Also, these quarterbacks listed and those like them played in goofy, shotgun college offenses, and we are looking for someone that could play in a pro-style system.
Stull played at Pitt, where they employed a more pro-style offense, taking snaps under center and dropping back to make passes similar to those in our offense. So Stull makes sense here. His production has also been good: in 2009 he had a 65.1 comp %, 2633 yds, 8.2 YPA, 150.61 QB rating, and a TD-to-INT ratio of 21 to 8. Is 6-3, weighing 215. Longest ball thrown was 79 yds, so he can throw the long ball. Also played well consistently throughout the year and against a variety of teams. Therefore, Stull will stay a Panther as we’ll draft him.
Other Possible Picks and Additional Options:
QB: Sean Canfield, Oregon St
DE: Clifton Geathers, South Carolina
CB: Myron Lewis, Vandy
OLB: Kavell Conner, Clemson
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6th and 7th |
DE, WR, CB, OLB |
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Comments
Mardy
I still like Gilyard in the second round. I do like the idea of Riley Cooper. OT is not a priority. We got talent in DE already. That’s why we got Everette Brown.
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by pinstriped_panther on Feb 25, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions
I agree
I don’t think we need to grab a DE in this draft. We have linebackers that can make plays (which is critical in Meek’s defense) and promising DEs. If we need to get a DE, draft is not the best place to grab one imo. We can grab a solid veteran DE through FA.
I don’t think we can grab Tate with our first pick, and if we don’t, I would love for us to grab Gilyard. We haven’t seen a deep threat/return specialist since Steve Smith. Gilyard seems very promising, and has a great attitude.
If one of top 10 DEs slides I wouldn't be surprised to see the Panthers pull the trigger
a guy like Greg Hardy or Corey Wooten could entice the Panthers. I like the young guys we have but at the same time if they aren’t going sign a FA then they will certainly at least add a rookie to the group with some upside and hope they find a diamond in the rough.
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He better be too good of a DE to pass up on
and unless Suh falls down to second round due to some freak accident, i’m against drafting DT with our first pick!
This is where...
…we start the best available argument. I’m not against drafting a DT (or DE) at that spot, but it’s definitely a best player valuable draft. I’m not sure we can go into this draft saying we’re drafting this position in this round. That’s the way lousy drafts happen. Luckily, the Panthers FO knows this and will pick accordingly.
BTW – we officially have the 47th pick in the draft. Since we lost the coin flip, the 49ers have the 17th.
Yes...
Although I think it’s best available contributor. No QBs, OLs (unless they think they’ll have a shot at winning the RG job), DBs (unless they’re coverage aces), etc.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 28, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think the idea of drafting a DE has to be predicated on ability to contribute right away.
We need to get a guy who can come in and immediately help the defense, even if it’s only in very specific packages (nickel rusher, short-yardage run-stuffer, etc.)
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 28, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think Williams goes higher
His route running is second to none. I think we will trade up into the first for Brandon Graham or Jason Pierre-Paul but not trade next years first. I think we get Tate in the 2nd. Also instead of Cooper I think we go Ford but I’d love to get either in the 4th. I like Fox in the 3rd. I think we go DT like Lamar Houston in the 5th assuming that we get a comp in that round. In the 6th we should have 2 right? If so I’d like us to get Armanti Edwards as a Josh Cribbs guy. And then with the hypothetical second 6th CB Crazdon Butler he’s a crazy athlete but had a really down year.
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 25, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
Still, though...
There’s a huge stigma out there against USC wideouts. Steve Smith has played well, but all the rest of their ultra-productive receivers have flopped in the league.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm
So if we don’t trade next year’s first—which goes against the current trend—but we do trade up, what do we trade? Are you implying we trade a player? And who then if you are implying that?
Williams may go higher, its very possible. With this deep class of WRs this year, its really hard to pin down where he’ll go…
Personally, I love Tate, and would love to have him, but he is almost Steve Smith reincarnate, and I have to think that he is the number 2 WR in the draft. If he falls, I will be shocked…
Lamarr Houston is an enigma, I really don’t know where he’ll go…Some say he’s the 5th or 6th best DT in the draft (behind Suh, McCoy, Price, Odrick, and Dan Williams) and to be fair he’s been a monster (57 tckls, 7 scks in 2009). I could agree with you saying that we would go DT in the 5th or a later round, but I am not sure Houston sticks around till then…
I highly doubt we take Armanti Edwards. Yes, he is a hell of an athlete, but can’t play QB at the next level, and really hasn’t played WR. The Panthers would have to develop this guy, and that could take years…so I think they go with a more pure and polished WR that could step in immediately, but I think its possible we go WR in the later rounds…
Crezdon Butler is an intriguing prospect…it’ll be interesting to see how he performs at the combine and if that helps/hurts his stock at all…
DE is not the #1 priority
Brown was drafted last year as an eventual replacement for Peppers, so we have our pressure guy. We may need another DE but for depth but it can wait for the middle rounds. So, in other words, DE has been bumped up a bit and I would put it a medium-high, but WR is still #1.
Oh, and I’m officially jumping on the Gilyard bandwagon as the second round pick. The more I read about him, the more I think he is exactly what we need.
I hope Julius Peppers picks up a nasty case of dysentery after what he said to us.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
He's due for an early season ending injury
ooopps…did I say that out loud?
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You two are only saying what everyone else is thinking...
I think he’s gonna find out first hand that Karma is a biotch.
I will try and hold back my laughter when he does.
Draft Gilyard!
Peppers will find he is 10X under the microscope
as here. Plus he has no idea who his locker will be next too, who his DL coach will be or how the fans will react after the first loss in which he doesn’t record a sack or make a big play. All these present opportunity for Pep to realize actually how good he had it here
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Haha. And then the newspaper article the next day.
BREAKING NEWS: Julius Peppers trades to the Oakland Raiders!
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I've liked Gilyard for a year or 2
But I just like Tate better and then I think another team will see the next Desean Jackson and take him hgih.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 25, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Tate will be available when it's time for our pick...
I like him, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think that he will be available.
I do think Gilyard will be there, though – because there are so many WR’s to choose from, and I think he will be the one that slips through the cracks and lands in our lap.
Draft Gilyard!
I like Gilyard's proven kick return ability a lot for our team.
I still think the bulk of the issue on our returns is the blocking personnel and schemes, but a proven return stud wouldn’t hurt. I know Tate has done some punts and done well, but I think we have some candidates on the roster who can step in there already. It’s just a killer to start every drive inside your own thirty.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Those extra yards in the return game cause punts to turn into FG attempts in some cases, and it never hurts to have more scoring opportunities.
Draft Gilyard!
Many of the WR candidate we should be looking at also return kicks
So it only makes sense to draft a guy like that who can cover two positions. At least a KR since I think they are happy with Munnerlyn at PR.
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I don't know that they're "happy" with him.
He often looked tenative, and he dropped a few punts.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 28, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't have good blocking
Seriously, a yard or so of space, then he was walloped. And while he did drop one or two, he was smart, and wasn’t responsible for a turnover on punts this season. Gamble muffed one, and Moore muffed one, but not the Captain.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
The recovery is luck at best.
You’re simply not going to make sure the other team doesn’t recover your fumble if you keep putting the ball on the ground. And if you don’t have space to make a return without getting destroyed, well, that’s what the fair catch is for.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
While he did muff one or two
it was early in the year, he didn’t muff very many towards the end of the year. And he did use the fair catch quite a bit, I remember some of you guys complaining about that in fact. Point is, he’s got potential as a return man, if he can get some decent blocking.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
Don't talk to me about "you guys."
Wasn’t me. If you can’t control the return, you make the fair catch.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
When did I ever say I was referring to you?
Not everyone is out to get you MP, believe it or not.
Jaxon I agree, he showed me promise, and if we give him another shot, with some good blocking, he could be special. I hope that’s one of the things he’s been working on this offseason.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 2, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
I thought a "fear factor" developed after awhile
My memory is of several FC signals being made, when standing between the 15 and 20, and then getting out of the way as the ball fell where he’d stood, or behind that, then being downed by the punting team inside our 10. This is surrendered field position, by a player who didn’t have the confidence that he could secure the FC.
Did anybody else see the same?
I know I couldn’t do it (ever in my long life), so I marvel at any player who has the courage to be a punt returner — but if you’re gonna be the guy, you better not show hesitancy, fear, or uncertainty. Seems like it’s a skill that demands arrogance and fearlessness.
True...for a rookie he showed promise
but does have room for improvement. If the Panthers draft someone better then certainly he come be replaced in this capacity
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Well, to be fair...
Yes we did draft Brown as an eventual replacement for Pep….but that doesn’t mean he is ready. I liked what we saw out of him last year, and especially at the end of last year, but the key here is that Hurney and Fox may not be 100% comfortable putting Everette Brown as a 3-Down lineman for the entire season. Heck, we still haven’t resigned Brayton yet (although we probably will) so that leaves us with Charles Johnson (nothing against him though). The point is we lack depth and Brown may not be ready in his 2nd season to go 3 downs the entire game, every game this season.
And yes some are still going to think that this is still not a high priority, but RB wasn’t considered a high priority for us in 2008, and we drafted J Stewart! Moreover, the Panthers entire defensive scheme relies upon pressure from the D ends, and Hurney and Fox may be a little worried about the quality of that pressure… so DE might be a higher priority than most think…
Haha...
RB was considered a priority by some. ;)
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's Baloney...
Most NFL experts said our position of most need was Offensive Tackle. Every scout had us picking Brandon Albert or Ryan Clady if they were available. No scouts at that time really thought we would pick a RB in the first round of the 2008 draft, especially after our top two RBs in 2007 compiled a good 1593 yds and DeAngelo was starting to shine. Therefore, I reassert that RB was not considered a high priority just as DE isn’t now…
There was only one guy that was saying Stewart
I want to say it was Mayock but not sure. I was guessing Chris Williams with Otah on the short list but thought it was too soon for him (which was correct), but not much as it turned out
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He's saying he considered RB a priority
At least I think he is…..
I have to say, when we drafted Stewart I was like, “WTH?” But I came around to the idea.
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 26, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Can't question that pick now can we?
to think he lasted till #12 will be a question many GM’s ask after he tears it up in 2010!
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Yes, I did.
Williams had done nothing to show that he could carry the load as a full-time starter. It was his improvement during that offseason as well as the improvements to our line and the addition of Stewart to share the load that helped him shine.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 28, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Do you trust a mid-round DE to step in and play right away?
I’m not saying it can’t happen, but I think we’ve got to get a guy with a really special skill, be it his stoutness against the run or very limited, but explosive ability as a pass-rusher. Hell, maybe even Hilee Taylor (a guy I’ve been crushing since the draft…must be a UNC thing) can get his jersey back and have some actual contributions as a defensive player.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, But...
No, I do not trust a mid round DE to come in and be an impact player. Hell, 1st rounders are many times not even impact players their first year. BUT, this prediction is not what I, myself think we SHOULD do, but what I believe most realistically we WILL do.
As I stated in my writing, many people are going to think that some things I propose we will do are outlandish, but they are very possible…
hilee taylor!
I was thinking for sure since we got meeks that the kid was going to develop. But he couldn’t even get a jersey last year. But maybe that’s because we had enough DEs active come game day. But he fits the mold of a DE in meeks D. I like him he’s fast. Id love to hear meeks opinion on him or something. But if meeks likes him and we resign brayton I don’t think we draft a DE or sign the FA that everyone is looking for. And I would actually be comfortable with this. Brayton & Johnson on 1st down…mix it up with the 4 on 2nd down depending on opposing skill sets and the Taylor & Brown (maybe even Brayton & Johnson @ DT)on 3rd and long. Comfortable with this I am.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Feb 26, 2010 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's not that fast.
He only ran like a 4.7 or 4.8 in the 40.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 28, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
So, what do ya'll think about QB...
Do ya’ll like Stull and or Canfield?? Or do ya’ll have somebody else in mind??
I watched Canfield play against Oregon
I liked what I saw, but it was only one game so I don’t really have that much to base an opinion on.
Draft Gilyard!
I'm a big Canfield guy.
I felt bad because his coach chose and the OSU system demanded the more mobile, athletic guy. Canfield’s no statue in the pocket, but he’s a much better pure passer.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Canfield
Well he went to the same college as Matt Moore. Maybe he might have the same skills……Just saying.
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by pinstriped_panther on Feb 25, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I like Stull more
Stronger arm, and a pro style offense.
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 26, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
Panthers on Twitter about Canfield
“Just spoke w/ Oregon State QB Sean Canfield, who says that Matt Moore has been working out w/ him in Corvallis and offering him guidance”
by Andrew Malone on Feb 26, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
What about Jarrett Brown QB from WVU?
I’d love to see this guy in a Panther uniform. He’s tough & mobile with a strong arm. He opened up the run a lot for WVU last year. Any thoughts?
by Andrew Malone on Feb 26, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not overly intelligent, didn't run anything remotely resembling a pro offense.
Not into it. I’d rather have a guy like Thad Lewis who has the smarts even if he’s not quite as physically talented.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
O ma Gawd!
you like a Duke player. *hmmmmm *
Both are scrubs, Rusty Smith from Florida Atlantic. Good guy to draft in the seventh and let sit behind Moore and Jake. Eventually a #2 or even a Matt Schaub.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Smith is no less scrubby.
And I actually like him too.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
He just happens to be the scrub I like.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
I also like Lewis.
Is he still projected to possibly go undrafted? I’d love for the Panthers to get him as a UDFA.
Yes, he could.
He’s not very big, and his arm isn’t great. But he has good accuracy, ran a pro-style offense, and got great coaching from Cutcliffe. There are some who think he could sneak as high as the 5th round.
Here’s one writeup from his measurement day:
Thaddeus Lewis, QB Duke: I loved this guy. Amidst all these monstrous athletes, Lewis was the Jai Lucas of the bunch—listed generously at Duke as 6’1", in reality you have to round up to list him as an even 6’0". What made Lewis awesome was that he knew it. And hey, everything else about his college career was something of an upset, too—four year starter at Duke, culminating in a 5-7 senior season that included consecutive wins over NC State, Maryland and Virginia. He concluded his career with over 10,000 yards passing and 67 touchdowns.
Besides his productive college career, he’s got at least two other things going for him. First of all, I noticed he had huge hands and asked him what he measured. He told me 9 5/8 inches, which is big. (By comparison, McCoy’s hands are 9 3/8 inches and Bradford’s 9 1/2.) Second, he’s going to interview well, and if he’s a longshot to make any NFL roster, I won’t be shocked if someone gives him a late-round Draft flyer to at least bring him to training camp. Still, a great day throwing the ball at the Combine tomorrow is a necessity.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be mad if we spent a 6th or 7th on him.
Assuming the 5th is the ‘stretch’ round here.
Maybe he’ll be a Steve Smith of QB’s, size wise.
Sliders:
Sean Canfield/QB/Oregon State: Canfield struggled during Senior Bowl week and once again failed to prove he has an NFL-caliber arm. He struggled throwing the outs and his deep passes had little velocity.
—Tony Pauline TFYDraft.com in the RB/QB Risers and Sliders article for SI.com
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I like Canfield
But I think he’ll go 3rd.:(
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 25, 2010 3:44 PM EST reply actions
Really?
A guy who just came off a senior season where he couldn’t hold a starting job?
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Helluva post jkp1516
thanks for the contribution
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Great Post
I like Damian Williams and Riley Cooper. if we could get them or jacoby ford i would be thrilled. I really like 4 receivers in this years draft (not that the others arent good) and these are 3 out of four of them.
i agree that we will probrobly trade a pick. your analysis convinced me to be honest. the question is when and for who? how long can we continue to give away picks?
i don't think i can get on this gilyard bandwagon
but maybe someone wants to join me on the deymarius thomas camp? we might even be able to get him in the 4th and use our earlier picks on DE/DT/another WR
I'll join you there
I don’t think Williams will be available, and my hope for Tate is stretching thin. I do like Gilyard too though, getting both him and Thomas would solidify the position.
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 26, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm all for drafting 2 WR's
Increase our odds of getting a keeper
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I bet we do not trade up or down this year..
With a potential rookie salary cap part of a new CBA draft picks become waaaay more valuable.
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i see the top 10 picks getting more valuable.
As for the rest of them it won’t make a difference.
I don’t know if we will trade but if there is a player that they want and can make a deal then kiss that 2011 1st rounder good bye. And if we could get a Tate and Shipley out of it then I’m all for it. Or a Tate and Ford ( but that might give us too many lil guys at WR). But realistic with the picks we have now I think we could grab Gilyard and Ford or maybe Shipley and Ford.
There’s sooo many options though as long as we grab a possible 2nd coming of smitty and another possesion reciever we will have an unbelieveable offense. QB is not a priority for me anyway…not this year. Ill probably catch hell for this but I like Cantwell as #3.
Richardson you better not screw this up for me!
by STEVEN 785 on Feb 26, 2010 3:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No reason you should catch hell.
Cantwell is just about the sort of guy you want as a #3. Young, cheap, and plenty of potential. We’ve got time to develop him in that slot.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
We can put Cantwell on the PS
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Just as we could with most any mid-to-late-round QB.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Could it happen??
With the way the real economy is doing…not the propaganda happy happy joy joy false reality, could it be that we see some financially strapped teams be willing to accept less for a first round pick this season. With the potential of the new rookie salary cap next season, as you said the picks in 2011 become more valuable. Teams that are in trouble…and its only going to get worse…are Arizona, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Detroit, Buffalo and New Orleans. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but it is something to consider.
Maybe if the Panthers front office parades the idea now that Jake Delhomme is the uncontested starter for next season, maybe some of these teams will think it’s worth trading straight up for our first rounder in 2011….lol….that would guarantee a top 15 pick for that team!
Doesn't mean we won't move around if it makes sense.
It’s done so in both directions (move up for Gamble, move down for Kalil and Jarrett.)
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Oh...
And there’s ALWAYS been a rookie salary cap. Their money can’t exceed a certain number in year one.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Time to draft Offense ~
So with peppers gone everyone including the this original posting are just crying for a Jason Pierre Paul of USF which is listed as going in the first round by many mock drafts.
Anyway I still think DE is going to be a pick for us in this draft but I don’t think it will be the first.
My mock draft:
2nd Rounder: B. Lafell WR – LSU; great physical blocker and pass catching ability can be easily fixed and according to many scout him and Gilyard should be drafted 1-2 in the second round. May require us to trade up to acquire him though so who knows ?
3rd Rounder: Greg Hardy DE, Ole Miss; depth pick and just let Johnson and Brown start for us next season
4th rounder: Lamarr Houston DT-Texas perfect fit for the R. Meeks defense but undersized and really is similar to C. Irvin but with a much better skills / upside.
5th rounder : n/a unless of comp picks or trades occur
6th rounder (from Oakland): Tim Hiller QB;; Western Mich
7th rounder: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB; Indiana U. either draft a CB or Safety here and I have never cared for CJ Wilson so why not get rid of him and his underperforming ways.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Feb 26, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions
Tate has a full pate of interviews
Although one is the Panthers this made me sad seeing how interested teams are in him.:(
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 26, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions
Tate
i really hope he drops to us. My realistic WR wish list is:
1 – Tate
2 – Gilyard
3 – LaFell
by SouthernPanther on Feb 26, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Mine too for the 2nd.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 27, 2010 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
Did anyone realize Jacoby Ford
Could throw?????
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 26, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions
Yeah I saw something on the ticker about him
It was on the chiefs blog he threw for a TD apparently.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 27, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
One TD doesn't necessarily mean he can throw.
Probably a gadget play that got him a wide-open guy 20 yards down the field. And we know LT and Ronnie Brown are the NFL masters of that play.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Just thought it was interesting
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 1, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Anywhere from
The 2nd to the 4th all depends on what he runs at the combine.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 27, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
That 4.47 couldn’t have helped much.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
4.51 wasn't it?
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
There are two times.
That was the faster one. Figured I’d give him the benefit of the doubt.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Correction
We have the 48th pick in the draft. When you have a coin flip between two teams, each round flip-flops.
I think we're 47, for that reason.
We lost the toss, which in the 1st round translates to a lower pick for SF, who took our 1st round pick — therefore, we get the higher round next, which was a win for us in a losing coin toss!
Sweet!
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 27, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody notice Dexter McCluster's bench press figure??
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/dexter-mccluster?id=497190
Kid weighs in at only 172, and pressed 20 times! — Pretty strong for his size. I’d note that 20 was the best that any WR did, and those 3 guys weigh between 214 and 219.
He may be small for a RB, but he’s not weak!
I would like him to be given a chance as a return man — he would be available as our 2nd round pick.
Several sites have him listed as a WR not as a RB.
I guess they are projecting as we have been with him.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Feb 27, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
He impressed me with his receiving ability at the Senior Bowl
I’d love to take him in the third, he probably won’t go much higher than that. At least that’s what I hope.
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 28, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
McCluster not Dickerson
Sorry Will. :)
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 28, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
He has played pretty extensively there.
Much more experience splitting out than, say, Goodson.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
How about a guy named Dorin Dickerson from Pitt??
6’4" 226lbs
34" arm length
9 3/4" hands
40 yard dash = 4.40
vertical = 43.0"
bench = 24 reps
He is a project type of guy that lined up mostly as a TE but could transition to WR. He was not a good enough blocker to be a TE or FB. He had 49 rec, 529 yds and 10 TD’s last year.
Will Parker
He also played LB
He could bulk up and play if even if he just got to 230 he’d still probably be a good one.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
Uhh...why?
How exactly can he help the Carolina Panthers in the next three years? We’re set at FB and TE.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well
He has all the tools to be a good QB just needs some help on mechanics.
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 1, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not being able to throw a spiral or release the ball faster than two seconds after your windup are not tools to be a good QB.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
He has the un-teachables
He has a strong arm, great leader and good mobility. Mechanics can be taught his accuracy will get better with his mechanics. Those things that you say are not tools your right but they can be fixed he has all the things that can’t be taught.
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 1, 2010 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
This
I’d take him in the third if he were there. He’s an impact player, be it at QB, FB, or TE.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
LOL.
Which third round QB has made an impact in their first two years, exactly? Particularly one who’s regarded as a project by even the people who like him?
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
*claps*
And Brady was a 6th rounder.
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 1, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Brady did not need to overhaul his entire delivery.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a great leader. Doesn't mean some NFL team should waste a draft pick on me, whether they "can teach me to be a great QB" or not.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
He has potential
So we could draft him we can afford for a project.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 1, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Projects are for UFAs, not first-day picks.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Okay first of all I doubt that first statement, but I digress
Tebow has flaws, no question about it. BUT, he has strong points. He has a good arm, he can hit the deep ball, he is mobile, has the sixth sense for the rush, and he has a great work ethic. He is a natural born leader by example, he inspires his teammates, and has a killer work ethic. Not to mention he has God on his side. ;) Obviously that last sentence was tongue-in-cheek, but my point remains, he has the unteachables of the QB position, which makes it even more likely his teachables will come. No question he is a project, but he is also an athlete, which means he can contribute immediately unlike other third round QB’s that need development. (Jevan Snead)
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 2, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree wholeheartedly.
I think he’s farther from contributing than most any QB in the draft.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 2, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree.
Tebow won’t be ready for the NFL for at least 3 years. His wind-up throw has to be removed from his muscle memory and be erased from his mind as an emergency reaction – that won’t happen in 3 months, regardless of how hard he works.
Draft Gilyard!
You're absolutely right
but that doesn’t mean he still can’t carry the ball in short yardage situations. That’s more of an immediate impact than say Jevan Snead, who also needs some bench time, but doesn’t have the athletic ability.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 3, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Why would we need that?
We have two of the better backs in the NFL in that situation (Stewart’s been in the top five in short-yardage conversion rate for each of his first two years.)
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Look, all I'm saying here is Tebow would provide more impact than a typical QB
Pistol Formation, use the option, worked with White and Williams last season, i see no reason why Tebow and our Williams can’t make it work.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
Which part of Pat White’s rookie year was it that “worked” so well? Was it his 3.9 YPC? Or his 0-5 performance with one sack on six pass plays?
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
Do you deny Tebow would provide more immediate impact than a traditional QB?
White made a few plays, I think it was a waste of a pick, but there was the option score with Ricky Williams. Tebow could do that with our Williams.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
So could Smith or Stewart.
Running an option just isn’t that hard.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
then why isn't it more widespread in the league?
You still haven’t answered my first question, do you deny Tebow would make a more immediate impact than a traditional QB?
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not answering for MP, but...
I would deny that he would make more of an impact than a traditional QB, because he won’t be able to beat teams with his arm.
It’s not hard to contain a mobile QB in the NFL, especially if the quarterback can’t beat you with his arm. If it were, Michael Vick would still be a hot commodity, and teams would be foaming at the mouth to get him.
Tebow is just a gimmick short yard situation QB at this stage (we have two great RB’s for short yard situations, so we don’t need Tebow), and it will be years before he has developed the proper mechanics to throw the football where it won’t be knocked out of his hand mid-windup or picked off by a DB who is sitting on a route and waiting on him as he winds up to throw.
Tebow is a great off-field presence, I get that. But it’s not what you do off the field, it’s what you do on the field that matters when considering QB’s to draft. And right now, he’s not the impact player we need.
And, the wildcat is not widespread because it is a joke. It works in Miami, but most people feel that it is a farce because it strays from the norm – but it will become more and more common in the future. At one time the forward pass was considered a joke, and look at the sport now.
Draft Gilyard!
Beyond that...
Tebow at his best and most athletic is nowhere close to what Vick once was when he effectively moved the Falcons offense (note I didn’t say he could effectively play the position.) There’s a big difference between running over 210-pound Mississippi State LBs who run slower than you and a 240-pound LB like, say, Thomas Davis who’s faster than you’ll ever be.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
Tebow won’t make it to our pick anyways. However I will remember to laugh at all of you if he succeeds. If he fails, I’m fair game for ridicule. :)
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with Procton on this one
Tebow is an athlete, there is no question about that. His QB mechanics are questionable at best. I know he’s working on them, but it’s extremely difficult to change the way you throw. As Jim Miller (I think that’s who said it) said on Sirius NFL: QB’s will regress to their most comfortable throwing style under pressure. So if Tebow tries to relearn the way he throws, he could regress to his old form under pressure. This would easily result in taking too much time to get the ball out of his hand. He needs at least 2 years to develop, and even then he might not be ready.
David Carr changed his mechanics as the #1 pick...
And never found the success he had in college.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Aaron Rodgers had similar questions about his delivery coming out of Cal
And he fixed it.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 2, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
He also had...
4 years behind a great QB. Tebow would need a similar situation.
He also played in a pro offense under a pro coach (Jeff Tedford)
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 2, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
That coach had other questions about his system and QB's coming out of it
And Rodgers could have played sooner if Favre had retired. I’m not questioning Tebow needing development time, but we have a young QB, we could potentially swing Tebow for picks in 2-3 years time.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 3, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
What good do picks in the 2013 draft do us?
We’re trying to win now.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
You have to have a long term plan.
Tebow is a potential star, or even starter. In a few years time, if our QB slot is set, we trade him to say Jacksonville for a second and a swap of first round picks. If not, oh well, it’s a bust pick, but really, our roster is stacked enough to spend a third or fourth round selection on a project. Tebow also can have an immediate impact in the Wildcat and trick plays, which is more than a Jevan Snead or Jonathan Crompton will do.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Tebow is NOT a potential star.
There are few who even believe he can ever be a starter. And no, I don’t believe our roster is stacked enough to waste our #2 pick this year on a guy who won’t contribute to our team in any meaningful way. Not as well as the team played down the stretch. Not as good as we were in ’08. Projects are for rebuilding teams.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
BUZZ
Wrong procto, rebuilding teams need players who can make an immediate impact. Contenders like ourselves can draft projects and let them develop, because we don’t need rookies to contribute right away. Tebow will be good 2-3 years down the road, mark my words. He has God on his side. ;)
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we do need rookies to contribute.
Did you SEE our ST units last year?
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
Per Bucky Brooks
Jacoby Ford has moved into the 2nd round. After his combine performance I have to put him over Mardy Gilyard now.
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i hope we go DE then WR i think all they need to do is throw the ball to Jarret more
Dez Bryant
Think we could trade up for him? I know some people question his character but I’ve become a believer recently. Also he’s a good punt returner.
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 3, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions
We'd have to get into the top 25.
I think the Ravens will take him at 25. I don’t think we could get there without trading one of double trouble. I don’t think it’s worth it.
QB for the future of the Carolina Panthers
If Carolina had any sense at all they should very seriously consider Armanti Edwards. The quarterback from Appalachian State would be a perfect fit. He can “React quickly under pressure” and is mobile in the pocket. Also he can run when he needs to and very well I may add!! I am sick and tired of Jake in the pocket looking for a receiver, looking like he has just crapped in his pants in fear of the defense of the other team and just throwing up Interception after Interception. Jake does not need to be a quarterback. A quarterback is a leader, not the person I have seen who becomes unravelled the way he does!!! I love the Panthers, and if this is the season to re-build for the future, then re-build the team who PLAYS like a team and not just a bunch of misfits!!!!
I'm not sure he will be given a fair shot at playing QB...where ever he ends up.
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by ERL on Mar 3, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like Moore
As the starter Delhomme is kinda another QB coach in my mind. Edwards would be a great pickup a little bit of experience and he could be the next Michael Vick without the issues.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 3, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Except not as tall, not as fast, and with not as good an arm.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
He's pretty darn fast.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
He's no Mike Vick.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 4, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have the build or the arm
But they are pretty comparable athleticly.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Edwards will never succeed as an NFL QB.
At least Delhomme can see over his linemen.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 3, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of good that did Delhomme this year.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
All of the draft guys have Jason Pierre-Paul as a top 15 player
It looks like it he’s going to be impossible to get even at the low end of the first round, let alone the second round.
Same goes for guys like Brandon Graham, Everson Griffen, and Jerry Hughes.
Some people had Everette Brown as a top 20 selection.
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by Flowing Willow on Mar 4, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Listen, DONT listen 2 Scouts...
Last year the super athletic GT DE Michael Johnson was SUPPOSED to go in the 1st…slid all the way to the 3rd. Same with Jarron Gilbert that year. Put Ev Brown in there too. Before that, it was Calais Campbell sliding into the second. See my point…the scouts try, but they don’t have a flippin clue. Hell, anything could happen.
Yes JPP can do multiple backflips in full pads, but he had a mere 6.5 sacks. Do you think a team is going to waste a high first rounder on such a developmental player?? Maybe, but I am gambling against it just because of the competition…the pro ready prospects..
But he can do backflips in pads...
That has to count for something, right? (j/k – I actually agree with you)
Draft Gilyard!
Draft Predictions
Well thought out, but here’s my take. The Panthers like to take the best player available regardless of need. They took Kalil when they didn’t need a center, Beason when they didn’t really need a MLB at the time, and Stewart when we had Williams. Here’s what I’d like to see:
2) Jacoby Ford—maybe a little reach here but you can’t coach speed and he can break it every time he touches the ball. Good return man too and not just a track guy. He drew up the play that beat Miami in OT this year, so he knows the game. What I really like is he will make Smith better, Muhammad better, and the running game better because we’ll have 2 deep threats to keep the safeties back.
3) Alex Carrington DE— A stud who stood out at the Senior Bowl. Beat some of the top OL propects convincingly
4) Geno Atkins—DT Unblockable in Senior Bowl Really quick like Meeks likes. Gives us too many tackles so we should be able to trade somebody for a pick next year or a niche player at a position of need (maybe CB ) during camp.
6) C. J. Wilson—DE Very underated player from E. Carolina.
7)Shawn Laveo—OG Very versatile at multiple positions. Very strong. Along with Robinson, could be a replacement for Vincent.
This doesn’t address CB, but with Sherrod Martin, C. J. Wilson, Dante Wesley, and Munnerlyn we can’t do a cover 2 with Gamble on the other side. I’m not too worried about QB as I see Moore as the starter and Jake as a great backup. I think Cantwell is as good as anybody down the draft that we could get.
Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind, but that’s how I see it now.
I like it
But I think if a better WR is available we’ll get him. We should have comp picks in the 5th, 6th and 7th. So assuming another good WR is available do you think Atkins would be available in the 5th? I don’t know much about him.:( Then in the 6th Armanti Edwards 7th Crezdon Butler.
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 5, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
Good points...
Although I’ll note that Beason was drafted as an OLB.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 5, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
PLEASE draft this guy!
(See my earlier posts on AOA, as he’s called)
I want them to pick him just to hear the front office pronounce his name.
Along with the tv/radio guys – that would be entertainment in and of itself.
Draft Gilyard!
To Chin and MP
Thanks for the comments. Atkins won’t be around in the 5th. May be gone in 3rd before we get to him. Not too excited about Edward and Butler. They’re both local guys, but not sure of either one. The only other WR I like where we’re picking is the kid from USC Damien something. But I think we need to unleash Smith and the other receivers for Moore and Fords speed does that. And he’s a pretty good receiver too, not just a speed guy. Plus, we could use a better punt returner than Munnerlyn.
MP, You’re right on Beason, but the point still holds that it wasn’t really a position of need at the time, but he was a stud where we picked and we couldn’t pass him up. Same with Kalil and Brown. Both were projected by everybody as first rounders and we got em in the 2nd. We gave up a lot for Brown, but with Peppers gone and another year under Baker and Meeks, we’ll like what we see there barring injury.
Yeah
Edwards is a favourite. Crezdon Butler how ever was a 2nd round prospect at the begining of the year and then tanked but still should be drafted. He’s 6’ 205lbs and runs a 4.35 to 4.38.
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by chinchillas sword on Mar 6, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
What The Hell.
They got it all wrong :[
Take Jacoby Ford in the 2nd, he’s the best WR there, he runs a 4.28, Good size, hands, the best replacement for Moose
Tony Pike in the 3rd if he’s still there, if not go for a DE
After that pick a WR that’s NOT Riley Copper, he drops too many passes, but he wouldn’t be too bad, a good, tall blocking WR
A 4.28 40 means nothing
Unless you plan on putting him out there in a track suit and no pads and have all his routes be straight lines down the field, otherwise his 40 time is practically useless in evaluating his ability to play the WR position.
This is why the Raiders suck, because Al Davis focuses too much on things like “he ran the fastest 40, he threw the farthest, he benched the most” – those things are great, but a 4.28 40 does not a make a great WR.
Draft Gilyard!
i know its been done to death but whenever someone mentions a 40 time all you have to say is jerry rice… 4.7 40 time
+1
It doesn’t matter if you can outrun everyone with no pads – you have to be able to cut and get open and run routes. Speed is nice, but it’s not the end-all quality of a WR.
Draft Gilyard!

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