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Panthers GM Marty Hurney press conference updates and Peppers Exit thread

I will be updating this thread with all the important information from GM Marty Hurney's 2 pm press conference.

Though there doesn't appear to be an official link to video I will gather the information from the Panthers' Twitter feed, as well as Panthers.com to provide the CSR community with up to the minute updates regarding what Hurney will be discussing this afternoon.


More after the jump

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1:54 pm: Darin Gantt tweets that he was emailed by Carl Carey (Julius Peppers' agent) who says

"We have felt for some time that Julius would have the opportunity to test the free agent market in 2010."

 

2:01 pm: Confirming suspicions Hurney states the Panthers will not be assigning a franchise tag to Julius Peppers

He called the decision "Very difficult" adding:

"What we have to do is deal with 53, 60-some players in mind to try to be as competitive as you can each year"

clearly referring to the amount of money it would take to retain Peppers. He said the CBA issues were not a factor, and said:

"We had a lot of conversations last year and we got to a point where we each knew where we were"

 

2:07 pm: After continuing to talk more on Peppers, Hurney essentially says that the decision not to retain Julius was a football move for the future. He said decisions had to be made for

"how you can best put your team together to be as competitive as you can - not only in current year, but future...You never want to lose talented players, but you have to look at the big picture, and we have talented young players, as well"

 

2:14 pm: Hurney finishes the Julius Peppers talk and begins to talk about Double Trouble. Saying that both their surgeries 'went well' however, he also said it's too early to know if they'll both be ready in time for mini camp.

 

2:22 pm: Hurney said that Fox's contract status would not be a distraction during the 2010 season.

 

2:24 pm: Hurney refused to delcare a 2010 starter at QB, but did announce there would be a competition for the starting job.

 

Press conference ended around 2:30 pm. It was mainly a summary of the 2009 season containing alot of information we already know regarding the production of the team. The above updates represent the main issues discussed by Marty Hurney.

Poll
How do feel now that Julius Peppers is definitely leaving the Panthers?
Relieved,.. I'm tired of the distraction
74 votes
Hallelejuh!...he wasn't worth the price
42 votes
Disappointed...I had hoped it would work out
73 votes
Angry...what is so bad about Carolina?
22 votes
Disgusted...how could we let him walk with nothing in return?
50 votes

261 votes | Poll has closed

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There was more for Carey to say: Via Darin's blog
“We have felt for some time that Julius would have the opportunity to test the free agent market in 2010. He has had a very accomplished career thus far; but he is convinced that with this move he will thrive and develop fully into the player he was destined to become. He is excited about his future and looking forward to the process of selecting his next destination.”

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Feb 23, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

I really do not like comments like "he is convinced that with this move he will thrive and develop fully into the player he was destined to become."

It makes it seems as though the Panthers have been holding him back. It also indicates a lack personal responsibility. Take owership of your own actions peppy.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Feb 23, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me, I'm right on board with you Will.

It seems, and this is just from my perspective, that Carey has done everything that he possibly can in order to see Julius Peppers released from the Panthers. In a way I know that the Peppers release is good for the organization, especially if he plans to sit on his rear about the franchise tag and not allow us to trade him till training camp when most teams already have their roster together anyway.

But in another way, I wish that the Panthers would franchise him and ship his rear anyway just to teach him a lesson. But that wouldn’t be classy, and then they wouldn’t be our Panthers.

See you later Peppers. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. ((-equips door with automatic machine gun-))

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Feb 23, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Shipping him off would be all well and good...

But the problem with the tag is that the player still holds a lot of power. Peppers could simply have done what he did last year, refused to sign the tender, and essentially forced us to pay him $20+ mil for one season of work.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

think about it

over 20 million dollars. we disagree about pep on some issues (you and me, MP), but i just couldn’t imagine paying him that much. I mean, how much more valuable is he than VInce Wilfork? Wilfork got franchised and is gonna make $7 mil, almost 14 mil less than Pep would make. It was time for Pep to go. He’ll go make $13 mil a year somewhere, or maybe al davis would pay him $15 mil to team him with their other DE. too bad they don’t have a QB, WR, RB, TE, or OL.

by usana_gaines on Feb 24, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like you could have said they don't have an entire offense :)

which they don’t. I do like their ability here and there to run the ball, but that’s about it.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Feb 24, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a shame this hasn't worked out.

And it’s only fair that I remind you guys that I predicted this whole thing would blow over. Had it, I definitely would of reminded you of my correct prediction, now that it hasn’t, it’s fitting that I let a little air out of my ego. :D

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Feb 24, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Those words kind of tick me off

I’ll be very interested to see how he ‘thrives’ at his next destination. The grass is always greener but I bet someday he realizes he never had it so good. Wherever he ends up does he think they will settle for him not being a big producer on a consistent basis? He will be sorely mistaken if so. If eanything he is going to have 10X the pressure as he has had here.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm waiting for karma to rear her ugly head

He’ll regret doing this. But whatever – don’t let Revshawn’s machine-gun laden door hit you on the way out.

by bwsmith25 on Feb 23, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What a douchebag thing to say

Way to show appreciation to the team that made your client one of the best DE’s in the league. Good riddance.

This Carey character can ____ the deepest darkest most vile part of my _

by Tater596 on Feb 23, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst thing that could happen is if Julius Peppers signs on with the Falcons.

If you think our rivalry got bad last year, just you wait. This year, there will be blood.

There can only be one NFC South Champion. There can only be oneeeeee!

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Feb 23, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL - at first I thought you were directing that at me

Because it was right under what I wrote – then I actually read it. LOL

by bwsmith25 on Feb 23, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I just have one thing to say to Carey and Peppers

KARMAS A B####!!!!!

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Feb 24, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Added a poll to the post!

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by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

voted

relieved, but really I meant GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

by ClaytonFire on Feb 23, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I have enjoyed Pep being on our team. I will be sad to see him go.

by tarheelfan on Feb 23, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

Same

I really wanted things to work out, but that douchebag Carey!!! >_<

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Feb 24, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I never thought this day would come

This really blows. I sit here and think back to all the great plays he made. And then I think back to the last season we had in which Peppers was not a Panther….Oh $hit!

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Feb 23, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

I'm still following everything... news is pretty slow trickling out.

Will continue to update as unfo becomes available.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at www.realbitsofpanthers.com

by James The Aussie on Feb 23, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Would you be willing to provide updates in the comment section before posting to the main article?

That way we get a refreshing list of the updates instead of just having to guess and hit F5 to refresh our browsers.

It will also give us an opportunity to comment on each new item.

by Tater596 on Feb 23, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Press conference is over now. It was only a 30 minute spell and really was just a season wrap up more than anything. When I get direct quotes I’ll throw them up.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 23, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Cmon Carey....

Just crown Matt Moore our King already. I know you want to be polite to Jake, but cmon. If you even thought about making Jake the QB in 2010, you’d have the greatest rebellion of fans on your hands ever.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Feb 23, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

Yup...

You can tell whom I’m pissed at right now.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Feb 23, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one am very optimistic (imagine that) about this press conference.

It shows that the Panthers remain steadfast to their belief that no one player is bigger than the organization, and also highlights how frugal they want to be in order to ensure they are able to keep their young talent.

The Julius Peppers era closes without a Superbowl ring… here’s hoping the Panthers grab theirs while Pep is off ‘thriving’ in Oakland, or wherever he ends up.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 23, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

No one player is 20Mill bigger than the organization

17Mil bigger yes.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 23, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hardly.

What good would it have been to keep a disgrunted Julius Peppers on the team? He would have been more trouble than it’s worth, especially as close as this team is to being a major player in the NFC in 2010.

They franchised Peppers last season because there wasn’t anyone to really fill the spot. Now that Everette Brown is in the fold there’s no need to pony up with big $$ for a 30 year old DE who likes to take plays off.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 23, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at the bright side!!

3rd round comp pick next year…hell they should give us a second for giving up so much

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by Jaxon on Feb 24, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Please, Everette Brown has done nothing to show he can begin to fill Pep's shoes

I really hope you are right about the guy, and I “think” he’ll eventually be pretty good. But no way at this point has he proven he can start in this league.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s obviously done enough that the Panthers are confident they can live without Peppers.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Except have one of the best seasons by a rookie at his position...

Ahead of several guys drafted before him.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Silly me... I thought you based potential starters on how they performed against other starters

I didn’t know they just had to out perform a couple rookies. Thanks for clearing that up!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case..

PFF.com ranks Brown 29th in pass rushing, 3rd in pass coverage, and 116th against the rush out of 133. Not a bad start for an undersized rookie.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 24, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not even a real site

Are you making stuff up?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

ProFootballFocus.com

He abbreviated it.

While Brown does have a lot still to prove, he is part of a threesome with Brayton and Johnson that I feel can be solid starting. We won’t have many more of Peppers flashy plays, but we can win without them.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Feb 25, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

If I were making stuff up..

I would’ve at least put Brown in the top 50 against the rush :P

Flow nailed it.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 25, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to do that when he hasn't had a chance to perform as a starter.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't he have serious injury concerns?

We don’t want another Dan Morgan.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 23, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know of any

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by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He injured his knee this year after moving from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB, but a move back to his “normal” position with less focus on coverage would absolve any concerns I’d have.

by bravesfan91 on Feb 23, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Just tore his knee up this past season.. Obviously could have some long-term repercussions, but he’s never had any serious issues other than that. I will say, though, that we’ll have to fight for him. The Bears, for one, view him as the Peppers sweepstakes consolation prize.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Hurney doesn't sound like he's planning any big name signings

We probably will have to settle for another Keydrick Vincent-like signing to make a big impact.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, how awful that's been.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Misconception

I feel like heading into this year everyone is expecting us to take the $21 mil we’re saving by letting Pep go and go out and buy a bunch of talent. I fully expect us to make a few small moves, but I just don’t see the Big Cat going nuts in FA. I think he wants to save this money, not neccessarily spend it, which is sorta unfotunate.

by SouthernPanther on Feb 23, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely

I think the focus will be keeping all of our young talent to build up a dynasty in the years under the new CBA.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Feb 24, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not about saving money.

It’s about not committing to a lot of money past this year when there’s no way of knowing what the financial makeup of the league will look like.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 23, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Party

anyone in the raleigh/durham hosting a peppers jersey burning party? I’ll add mine to the flames!!!

by ClaytonFire on Feb 23, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

I've got a new CSR T-sirt slogan

“45 (Hoover) half the number, 10 times the heart”

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by James The Aussie on Feb 23, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

hahahahaahaaa

LOVE it!!!!!
man, if only I could get on twitter/FB at work, that would be up there… NOW!!!

by ClaytonFire on Feb 23, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhh...I love it

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by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Darin Gantt...

“Hurney stressed there were negotiations recently, and that he wasn’t closing the door on talking to agent Carl Carey again in the future, while acknowledging that it was very unlikely that Peppers would return.”

So it seems the Panthers made some type of offer…

by JC_GSO on Feb 23, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

I knew no matter the number Carey would reject it

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by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Carl Carey is incompetent, I really do. He has Peppers entering free agency a year before no the league has no CBA, there are labor rumblings and some owners may be reluctant to spend big money with the future of the league’s cap in doubt.

He turns down a contract to be the highest paid defensive player and takes Peppers’ career from being able to land potentially 3 big contracts (rookie year, 5/6 year deal, and another deal when Peppers is 34 that is shorter) to 2 big contracts (not including his Franchise figure for last year). I don’t know if Carey really knows what he is doing. I am not sure.

by bengoodfella on Feb 23, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting analysis Ben

The $16M is hard to argue with…but I bet he doesn’t get Haynesworth money. I guess we will find out soon enough

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by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

This statement from DE Julius Peppers was just sent from agent Carl Carey:

“Last night, I learned that the Carolina Panthers would not restrict my availability during the upcoming free agency period. I feel good about having the opportunity to visit with other teams. My goal will be to find the right match for my skill set. I am thankful for the eight seasons I have spent in the National Football League thus far; and am looking forward to beginning this new phase of my career.”

Wow Julius, really, for my last “8 seasons in the NFL”…you aren’t even gonna do what every player ever does when they leave and at least acknowledge your former team…

by SouthernPanther on Feb 23, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

"My goal will be to find the right match for my skill set"

So… Julius’ plan is to become a school teacher then. That way he can take his three months off without being criticized.

He can also keep schooling youngsters.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 23, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh crap...that's good too.

LMAO…that made my night

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by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed SouthernPanther

My what a class-less statement; I cannot wait for the fire – sale of Peppers #90 jerseys to occur when he is officially not retained and hits the market. Many teams have already said that they are not going to sell the farm for him such as the 49ers.

Man see ya J. Peppers glad to see that the drama is over for the Panthers and us fans.

Good bye and will who cares what happens to you.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Feb 23, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: 2:14

I’d not be surprised if they were very cautious with the two RBs. That’s been their trend with players coming off injuries, and they’ve already shown they’ll treat Stewart with kid gloves if need be. He’ll produce on Sundays regardless.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

Stewart has the brand of always having some injuries, but the thing is they never stopped him from playing or even producing.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Feb 23, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the good memories, Pep.

Here’s hoping you get everything you deserve in FA.

by Jeff_L on Feb 23, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

LOL...and what does he deserve?

Certainly more than his choice of defensive coordinator, position coach, and the highest salary ever for his side of the ball. Because he was offered all of the above last summer, and he took two of the three.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That whooshing sound?

Yeah, that was the joke, flying right over your head.

by Jeff_L on Feb 24, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Great joke.

Because there aren’t plenty of people on this website who believe that’s absolutely what he deserves.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

None of these jokers "deserve" anything

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't Proc

If Pep was a Duke prodigy he’d agree with you 100%

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

MP is a duke fan?

That explains so much…..

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Feb 25, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I certainly wouldn't.

I’d never advocate for any overpaid underachiever like Peppers, no matter his alma matter.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Throw up tha deuces!

Our team will be fine, we went through many games where he wasn’t playing on the field anyway. I frankly don’t care about Haynesworth Jr., I just want to see what we do as far as our WR and QB situation.

Steve Smith will always be my favorite Panther!

You can quote that!!!!

by Da Kid Long on Feb 23, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

not to mention we have a whole lot of young talent on the defensive line

i like our combo of a seasoned Brown and full time Charles Johnson, Leonard looked really good when he was healthy. Maybe with the addition of Kampman or another defensive end we wont miss Peppers too much

by carolinabrave89 on Feb 23, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

oh dont let me forget the tank

him and leonard could give us a very talented line in a year or two

by carolinabrave89 on Feb 23, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that.

Solid player who’s a good locker room presence, strong against the run, and maybe a double-digit sack season here and there.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Brayton

Lets not forget Brayton, he is solid, and has said he would be “heartbroken” if Carolina didn’t bring him back. Those are the kind of guys I want on my team.

by SouthernPanther on Feb 23, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark my words...the Panthers will be statistically better next season

could even have more sacks

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by Jaxon on Feb 23, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

I don't disagree.

Although I think that’ll have as much to do with understanding Meeks’ scheme from jump street as anything.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is going to get those sacks?

Charles Johnson and Everette Brown?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 23, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ever heard of Thomas Davis?

Just in case you didn’t know, some LB’s are capable of getting double digit sacks.

by SmithnCompany on Feb 23, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not in a 4-3.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I would agree...but 5 or 6 is doable

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by Jaxon on Feb 24, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

How does letting Pep go make Davis better?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 9:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who said it made him better?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally

I’d rather have 7 less sacks a season and have somebody, anybody who gives 110% every play.

I saw Everette Brown give 110% every play he was on the field in 2009.

I saw Julius Peppers give 110% roughly 40% of the time, give 50% roughly 20% of the time and play like he was giving 10% roughly 40% of the time.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 23, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I want to see players on the field who want to play. I want players who are hungry – players who feel that their lives depend on the outcome of the game and are willing to put every ounce of blood, sweat, and tears on the line.

I don’t get that vibe from Peppers. I know he’s popular and a home-grown talent, and a lot of fans will be upset that he’s gone – but I’m not going to miss him.

by bwsmith25 on Feb 23, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You know, 84% of all stats are made up 58% of the time.

Chew on that for a moment. ;)

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Feb 24, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that 96% of the time

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Reading is FUNdamental.

“I saw.”

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Effort is only one factor

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 9:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I could make a strong argument that it’s the only factor of any significance.

Time and time again we see players who far exceed their percieved potential by working harder than anyone else (Jon Beason, Brad Hoover, Steve Smith, Troy Polamalu). Conversely, the league is littered with players who have all the talent in the world but lack the heart and desire to harness their full potential (Jamarcus Russell, Albert Haynesworth).

So, while effort may only be once factor, I believe it’s the factor.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Being that theres no way to measure effort

Your argument will just be speculative. And athleticism are huge parts of guys like Smitty, Polamalu’s success.

Training camps are full of guys with tons of heart and effort that never make a team

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course talent is a factor in a players’ success too. All I’m saying is I think effort is more important than talent.

Talented players with no desire plateau, and never improve… like Peppers. Pep is the same player today that he was when he was a rookie. It doesn’t appear both empirically or statistically that Peppers has ever improved. Meanwhile, the opposite can be said about players like Smith who improved drastically since their rookie season.

Yes, measuring effort if speculative and empirical, but I don’t think anyone has ever argued that Peppers gives his all every play. There is no reason a player with Peppers’ ability should ever be shut down by a Sam Baker or Ryan Clady (in his rookie season).

I have believed in my heart of hearts that Julius Peppers is one of the most overrated players in the NFL. He’s the great white whale…. a player who could be legendary but doesn’t seem to care. There are going to be alot of team who hope they can get him to care, but they’ll only ever get a guy who plays hard half the time.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

"There is no reason a player with Peppers’ ability should ever be shut down by a Sam Baker or Ryan Clady..."

or a fullback or tight end assigned to single-block him.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Likely.

And Brayton. In Meeks’ defense, the pressure comes almost exclusively from the front four, although we did see some departure from that towards the end of last season.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Certainly Brown will increase his total

7-9 not unreasonable, same with Johnson…add in a few for Thomas Davis and we’ve made up the 10 Pep had. Of course the Panthers would prefer to improve on the 31 total from last season (23rd in the league).

Improving the run defense early in the season should provide more 3rd and long situations and give more opportunity for sacks.

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by Jaxon on Feb 24, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But our run defense has to be a total team effort because right now our d-line is very pedestrian. I’d dare say below average. If we are to improve our d-line, it will have to be done through the draft because clearly we will not sign any big name FAs. Being that our receiving core looks the same as it did last year, and last year we did not have this same outcry for more receivers, I think this perceived need for a WR is a bit manufactured. We need consistency at QB more than we need more receivers. But our biggest need has to be along our d-line, considering we do not have any returning starters aside from D Lewis, who was brouhgt in originally as a bust of a 1st round pick, and to be the 3rd guy in our rotation. If he is the focal point of our d-line, I think that says it all.

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by ERL on Feb 24, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Our receiving corps DOES look different.

Last year, Muhammad was coming off one of the best seasons Carolina has ever seen out of a #2 wideout. This past year, he was mediocre when he was good, and that wasn’t even particularly often. We also had the hope of Dwayne Jarrett’s development in the famous WR’s third season. Unfortunately, that didn’t really pan out, either. Kenny Moore also had something of a base to build on, and he didn’t do much with it. So we need somebody we can believe in not only as a compliment to Smith, but as a potential future #1. Smith won’t be fast and young forever. Imagine what our WR corps would look like were Smitty (God forbid) to go down with a significant injury in the first 4-6 games of the season next year. Do you really think we can get by with Jarrett and Moore as our two starters?

As to the DL, I think you’re making too much of our “one returning starter.” To begin with, Kemoeatu is still on the roster and by all accounts is on track to be ready for training camp. Even if he doesn’t come back, we’ve got a ton of players on our roster at the position with starting experience beyond Lewis, including Leonard, Tyler (a very high draft pick), and Johnson. Add that to another former high pick in Corvey Irvin who we can only hope used his “redshirt” year effectively, and we should be able to have a good, deep rotation at the position. As to the ends, we’ve got another two high picks in Johnson and Brown, and Brayton will also return if the team wants him at all. If he’s resigned and doesn’t win his job back in camp, will it be a bad thing to have “lost a returning starter?” Finally, as to “unproven” players taking over for departed veterans, take a look at the transition from 2000 to 2001. We lost a legend in Reggie White who, although declining in skill, was still heady and relatively productive. He was replaced by a third-year player who had started exactly one of his first 32 games and compiled only 5.5 total sacks (a lower pace than Charles Johnson’s produced so far, and not much better than Everette Brown.) That player went on to rack up nine sacks in that first season as a starter, and 31 in his first three. That player also became the franchise’s all-time sack leader. That player was Mike Rucker. Have some faith, buddy.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm talking about our needs, and the bigger need being the d-line

Could my perceived lack of faith not also apply to your doubts concerning our wide receiving corp?

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by ERL on Feb 24, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

Several members of our DL corps have shown success in the league, for entire seasons. Outside of Smith, what have any of our receivers been able to do for even a month at a time?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was time to let Pep go... BUT

Right now we don’t really have 2 starting DEs… especially not 2 dominant DEs, or a dominant DT for that matter. Pepper had 1/3 of all sacks last year, led the d-line in tackles, and led the team in forced fumbles and pass deflections. Despite of how much some of you hate him, Brown, Brayton or Johnson are not going to match that.

There’s no way Pep leaving makes our defense better, unless we sign somebody big to help fill his shoes… Which you guys sound like isn’t going to happen.

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by southtunnel on Feb 23, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Umm..

What team in the NFL does have two dominant DEs? As to Peppers’ stats, first off, he did not lead the team in PDs. His five ranked behind Beason, Harris, Marshall, and Gamble, and tied with Beason and Godfrey. His tackles and forced fumbles also hardly overshadowed the rest of the team. Godfrey (a secondary player) finished just one behind him, and Peppers’ 42 tackles ranked just one ahead of Lewis on the D-line, and just seven ahead of Hollis Thomas, whose primary responsibility was to occupy blockers. Add to that that other players (Johnson, Brown, Brayton) will have the opportunity to increase their snap counts, and their production is likely to increase by default. We might miss him, but that doesn’t mean we can’t replace him, particularly with the money we’re going to free up.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Indy has two dominant DEs, to answer your question

And the NYG had two until Osi was injured in a preseason game in 2008.

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by ERL on Feb 24, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh...

Mathis is solid, but I’d hardly call him dominant. He’s no better than Rucker was opposite Peppers, and I’d never have called him dominant, Pro Bowl appearance or not.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

rucker vs mathis

mathis is dominant at times, but i think a lot of it has to do with playing opposite freeney. rucker had a couple solid seasons, and i think he had one pro bowl season, after Pep arrived. Mathis is solid, but when Freeney isn’t around, Mathis disappears because he gets the double teams and chip blocks.

by usana_gaines on Feb 24, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Dominance has to be determined by the end result

not how he did it…but what he did.

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by ERL on Feb 24, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The point was we don't even have one dominant d-lineman

Lewis was originally brought here to be a 3rd down DT… Now I have no problem with him starting. BUT if he is your best d-lineman then you have serious problems.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Jake Delhomme was brought in as a backup quarterback.

He became a Pro Bowler and brought us to the Super Bowl. What’s your point?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Okey dokey

Southtunnel touched on it and I’m going to expand it. I see a lot of Pep hate in this thread. Much of it is deserved. However, I equate it to being dumped by a girl you really really liked (an experience I know I and many others can relate to for sure). You feel scorned and angry, and you take it out on her (Peppers). First you’re angry, then you say to yourself that “I can move on, she wasn’t that great anyways.” I am seeing exactly this. You can point at Peppers taking plays off, but in reality, while he may have done that occassionaly, Peppers has the talent to make it look easy, to look like he’s slacking off. And I have heard of DE’s setting guys up by being lazy on certain plays to lull the OT in.

Now I’m not excusing Peppers, the fact is he did slack off at times in his Carolina career. But the fact remains Peppers was our most talented player on defense. Maybe not our most productive, maybe not the most likable or vocal or anything else, but there’s no denying he had talent. And we will miss that talent. Southy said it perfectly, take away Peppers production, and we are average at best. Brown, Brayton, and Johnson are excellent in rotation, we know that for a fact. But what we don’t know is how they will handle being the only source of a pass rush without Peppers on the other side.

For the record, I agree with this move, Peppers isn’t worth 21 million dollars. Would I have liked to get more than a third round compensation pick? Absolutely! But I agree with Hurney’s point in the interviews, as a team, we can replace Peppers. It may not be this season, but ultimately we are moving in the right direction. Really all I ask of you guys is to acknowledge Peppers played an integral part in our success. It’s like moving on from your ex, you have to acknowledge what she did good for you, and then let go of the hate. Make love not war people! :)

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 24, 2010 2:36 AM EST reply actions  

I’d relate it more so to being with a girl whom all the while is constantly looking for someone to leave you for. Then again, if you force her to stay against her own will (in a way) I suppose things become a bit more level. It’s too bad we can’t franchise women for a year like they do football players, huh?

Peppers was great for us, indeed. He’ll be missed but for the most of it I’m glad the saga will finally find closure. I mean, we’d have to move on eventually anyways, this year is as good as any.

I’d say that we currently aren’t aware of rather or not the talent we need to replace Peppers is on our roster but I certainly won’t say it’s not there.

Peppers rookie season seen him start 12 of 12 games for 35 total tackles, 12 sacks, 4 pass defenses, 1 interception, and 5 forced fumbles.
Browns rookie season seen him start 1 of 15 games for 22 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 pass defenses, and 2 forced fumbles.

I’d imagine there’s a huge gap in play time there (I wish I had snap counts but I only have Browns 401 for this year) but, with that, I don’t view Browns stats as being bad by any means. I don’t expect the second coming of Pep talent-wise but if given the opportunity to start a majority of games, I think Brown will surprise most of us. I could see him putting up Pep-numbers when taking into account heart vs talent.

Peps second year was a down year for him as well, so it’ll be interesting to see how Brown compares this year, statistically.

Overall, though, I agree with the points you made.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 24, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I could have used that. :D

And I don’t think Peppers was constantly looking to leave, it was just the BFF or the mother whispering “You can do better!”.

Anyone else think this analogy has been carried too far?

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 25, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You would like your girl to say something every now and then about the fact that she likes you, though.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't he?

Or she rather if we’re continuing with the analogy. I find it hard to believe in eight years he never said he was glad to be a Panther, or he thanks the fans, staff, players, organization, etc.

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 26, 2010 5:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Find it, then.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You're the one who's sure it exists.

I don’t need to find it to believe that it doesn’t.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 28, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don't need you to believe it

Honestly, I’m not sure even if I showed it to you you’d believe it, reality to you isn’t always reality to us.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, you're the one grasping for straws here.

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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That's funny coming from you.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 1, 2010 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Brown can do worse this season

Considering he’ll see much more playing time. I’m curious to see whether or not he can consistently be a factor through an entire game. It’s one thing to come off the bench and go full force and suprise an o-lineman… It’s another thing to do it all game long, with a variety of moves.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I never "really really liked" him.

He’s always been a lazy player who played hard only when he felt like it. And what you and ST ignore is that Peppers’ production cannot be considered in a vacuum. Of course he’s going to produce when he’s on the field for the majority of the game. And while Peppers “produced” by the end of the year, he certainly didn’t come up big when we needed it most. Again, check his postseason record.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You can be the negative skeptic in the back of the mind of Carolina

egging on the hate. ;)

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 25, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Who's hating?

I just don’t like players who demand unreasonable contracts when they won’t even go so far as to play hard all the time.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You

Your dislike of Peppers borders on hate, and I remember you being vocal about it even when things were going well.

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 26, 2010 5:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s going to be funny when the highest offer Peppers gets from another team is $9 million… when he turned down the offer to be the highest paid defensive player in 2007…

The good thing is that we know how to game plan against his skills… he’s been on the team for 8 years. He was unable to get past rookies last season… he took plays off… blah, blah, blah.

Thanks for the memories Julius, wish you were still on the team but hey, you have to do what you have to do… good luck but I hope you don’t get what you would have here financially and come back to the Panthers with your hat in your hand prior to the season starting and accept the $5 million contract they’ll offer you.

On a plus side, the other players hopefully WILL step up and fill the void left by Peppers and there’s no drop off in production.

by scorpion12 on Feb 24, 2010 8:04 AM EST reply actions  

Bears are the first to announce an intent to go after him

I’ll be curious to hear what Pep’s starting number is? Any guesses? I bet avg $17M per year (including signing bonus)… for 6 years for a total around $105M total contract…actually this sounds low. He’s going to want to exceed Haynesworth ‘more than slightly’.

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by Jaxon on Feb 24, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know that he will find that type of money if that is indeed what he's looking for.

There is a lot of negative pub going on about his perceived lack of effort. The general consensus is “buyer beware,” where as Haynesworth was looked at as a sure thing (only to mildly flop in WAS last season).

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by ERL on Feb 24, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Similar organizational philosophies.

Build from the lines, play good defense, maintain a solid ground game, keep the games close, and stay relevant in December and January.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Pep and Carey are going to want around that number.

I think the Bears first offer is going to be 5 years, $75 million including signing bonus.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

On a side note

Wouldn’t you think the Bears would learn that they shouldn’t every make transactions with the Panthers or ex-Panthers… it always ends up being a Windy City sized failure.

- They sign Ricky Manning Jr. CHICAGO FAILURE
- They sign Muhsin Muhammad, who underperforms until he returns to Carolina. CHICAGO FAILURE
- They trade us Chris Harris for just a 5th round pick. CHICAGO FAILURE

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Do they have an underrated DE we can grab? ;)

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know... but they sure are good at losing excellent running backs

See Jones, Thomas and Benson, Cedric

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Mark Anderson.

http://www.chicagobears.com/team/player.asp?player_id=1

12 sacks as a rookie…started 14 games because of an injuries. Has since not shown the same type of production.

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by ERL on Feb 24, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

They've had a couple of quality FA signings off our roster...

Blake Brockermeyer was a solid LT for them after leaving here.
Shane Matthews was starting games there while we were enduring the Chris Weinke era.
DE Mark Thomas had the best seasons of his career there.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

They had Dante Wesley for a season or so didn't they?

They also took Omiyale, he failed at RG.

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 25, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Wesley was there for one year.

And Omiyale was definitely way overpaid to go there. But he’ll be at least a solid swingman for years.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That won't come close to getting it done

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by Jaxon on Feb 24, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t doubt they’ll decline it… but watch as the free agent period continues I think it will quickly become the best offer.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of our feelings on Pep, it was time for him to go!

It’s not about how good he was… It’s about paying a guy who doesn’t want to be here 20Mil.

Now, let’s not pretend like our defense in its current state is better without Pep. Hurney and crew HAVE to do some d-line rebuilding this off season. And the way Hurney is talking, this off season is mainly going to be focused on re-signing current young players… No big splashes. Maybe Brown develops into a stud… but at this point we have no clue. Our best hope is that they are able to revamp the d-line with average names, the same way they did the o-line a couple years ago. And considering that we have not had great success with big name signings in the past, this is probably the best way to go.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

One of the nice things about Kampman

Is that he comes from a small market team in Green Bay, and the perceived “splash” of signing him may not be as large.

I would really like to see this move.

by Tater596 on Feb 24, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He's the biggest DE FA other than Pep

I’m sure that warrants muliple team competition to sign him.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True

However, very few teams can offer him both a chance to start and to play for a team who is a division contender.

While Kampman would be ideal, the guy I’m looking at is Marcus Spears from Dallas.

Yes, he’s a 3-4 end and doesn’t really get after the QB as well as some DEs, but he’s a bonafide run stopper at DE who could hold down one side allowing the Panthers to blitz with Thomas Davis more.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Most people don't think the Panthers are a division contender

Most everybody would put the Falcons and the friggin Superbowl Champions ahead of us. The whole world doesn’t think like we do.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t really care what ‘most people’ think. The NFC South proves year in, year out that the Saints could very well be 4th in the division next season.

Realistically, the Panthers are a division contender and the word from most people outside of NC is that the Panthers were a team marred by the play of Jake Delhomme and showed their true colors when Moore started.

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by James The Aussie on Feb 24, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a realist... meaning I don't easily buy into typical fan hype unless there's a really good reason

Even though I’m a Panther fan, I understand that people in this league people only care about what you’ve done recently.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Got'cha.

I can see where you’re coming from..

Though, I believe we do play better as underdogs :)

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 25, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You should care what "most people think" when you are coming up with reasons why they'd want to come here

I’m not disagreeing with your rationale. I’m saying I doubt Kampman looks at us like a division contender.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure he does.

Teams that win 20 games in two years aren’t some also-ran.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Slash when the defense didn't play like ass.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

which is good for us

While teams compete over Pep, we can sneak behind the lines and make an offer to Kampman.

Sure would make him feel good knowing we would want him over “The Big Catch”

by Tater596 on Feb 24, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't hold your breath over Kampman

It’s just not the Panther’s MO anymore to go after the big names. I wish it were not true but I’ll be shocked to hear the Panthers in discussion with Kampman

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by Jaxon on Feb 24, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Gantt doesn't seem to think it's all that crazy.

He seems to be as on point as anybody when it comes to understanding the MO of our front office. Perhaps he believes the knee injury and the struggles in the 3-4 will help keep Kampman’s price down?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Hurney doesn’t sound at all like there will be much action in free agency.

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Chicago has already set him as DE target 1A after Peppers.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

key words

after peppers. I don’t know if a big name like kampman wants to be another teams second choice. but that is just my opinion…

by SouthernPanther on Feb 24, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Peppers can only go to one team.

There’s gonna be a lot more than one team looking for a pass rusher at end this offseason.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You rarely have a clue about a player until they get a chance.

Brown did well to show flashes of potential in the role he was given last year.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So you think our line is set as is huh?

Johnson/Brayton, Brown, Kemo and Lewis are going to get it done better than 2009?

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If Kemo rehabs well..

I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 24, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So you think Johnson/Brayton, Brown, Kemo and Lewis will combine for over 25 sacks?

Because that’s how many D-line sacks we had in 2009. And since Pep had over 1/3 of those and our DTs only had 2 sacks that means Johnson, Brayton and Brown will all have to have career seasons.

Oh wait, Nick Hayden had 1 sack… So I guess you assume he’ll get 6+ this year for absolutely no reason, right?

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by southtunnel on Feb 24, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they could get close.

Think about it. Brayton is a 4-5 sack guy. lets say 4. Johnson’s career high is either six or eight, with more playing time he should be able to equal or surpasse that, so lets say 8. Brown will also be getting more time and experience, he had three sacks last year, so lets double that. 6. Kemo will get one sack by fluke, maybe tripping and falling on Matt Ryan or something. Lewis gets 2-4 sacks a year, and with a solid NT beside him I don’t see why that should decrease. So now our starting five have 21-23 sacks, very close to our numbers this season. Add in Leonard and Tyler and Irvin, and we should be able to surpasse the figure from last season.

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 25, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, aside from Hayden, I’d loosely say yes. While I won’t say “yes, they’re definitely going to combine to get equal to or more than 25 sacks”, I will say I believe our team as a whole can win with them starting, regardless of individual stats.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 25, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It wouldn't exactly be shocking for Brown and/or Johnson to have "career seasons."

Johnson’s never gotten the extensive snaps as a starter, and Brown was a rookie last year will have bulked up quite a bit and learned a thing or two since Opening Day ’09.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hardly.

But there are a few more than five DLs on the roster and suited up on Sundays. There will be other contributors, whether from the Leonard/Tyler/Johnson group, or acquired later in the draft or FA (at a reasonable cost.)

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Relieved,

with disgusted a close second. How do we not get anything for him?

You can say Pep would have just taken the $20m which would have been good for this year but he’s not getting any younger, this is probably his last chance to get a long-term big money deal and even now I don’t think he is going to sign some mega deal this offseason. I’m predicting we will be surprised at his final price tag.

I also think Julius is setting himself up for a huge disappointment with all that “player I should be” crap.

by Mr. E on Feb 24, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

I think the best answer to that is a question...

Would you buy something expensive when the sign next to it clearly stated it would be on sale the following week? No team would have bothered to give us picks and pick up the $ when they could simply wait and potentially get him a lot cheaper through free agency. If they get into a bidding war and lose, I’d say they’re better off that way than losing picks and cash on Pep. At least, that’s my take on it.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 24, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

So you’re telling me Pep isn’t about to hit FA? We need to enlighten some of these writers quickly, then.

No one (as far as we know) showed (or would have shown) interest in working out a trade for Pep knowing we weren’t going to franchise him for another year, so we were forced to let him hit FA. That was my point.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 25, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly..

And, if things went like last year, we’d be stuck with Pep and his massive contract again. While it wouldn’t hurt with no cap, JR isn’t going to set that kind of example when he’s one of the leaders of the great CBA crusade.

Without knowing for sure that we could ship him off for a 2nd rounder at the least, I think franchising him would just be too risky. I also believe that’s where some confusion was generated in my original reply, when I said he’d be available “next week” I was meaning because we didn’t franchise him (where we may have done so had someone been interested in trading for him but knowing we weren’t going to franchise him, they didn’t have reason to be interested in the first place. They could instead just wait and try their hand at hooking him in the FA pond.). My apologies for not making it a bit more clear.

by D-Ranged1 on Feb 25, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there is any quesiton that we could get a 2nd for him.

It was offered last season. I don’t think Hurney, with all the other stuff going on right now (Combine, Free-agency, resignings, the draft, etc) wanted to budget that much time for a guy that has spurned them time and time again. I do think it got personal.

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by ERL on Feb 26, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

It was offered last season, when Peppers was a year younger and less focused on.

Teams saw him disappear over and over this year. They saw him get single blocked by Ovie Mughelli and Justin Peelle.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass rushing is at a premium

They also saw him destroy the Vikings 3rd ranked passing game on a Monday night. It would be offered again.

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by ERL on Feb 26, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

How do we not get anything for him?

How about because nobody was willing to give anything for him?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are the new GM? You made contact with other front offices about a trade?

Hmm. I thought Marty Hurney was still the GM. Well, since you are plugged in to the other 31 teams, ask everyone if they’d give a seventh rounder for Peppers. If so, let’s jump on it. I will feel less cheap in the morning.

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by ERL on Feb 25, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would we want a seventh when we'll get a third just for his departure?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It's essentially guaranteed.

Given Peppers’ status as a Pro Bowler and the likelihood that he receives one of the largest contracts among FAs on this year’s market combined with our plans not to heavily invest in free agency, and it’s almost assured we’ll sign fewer FAs than we lose and that Pep will provide one of the third-round picks.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Great. My opinion is still

that we should have franchised and traded him for a late first or early second rounder. We need as many picks in that ballpark in this deep draft.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by ERL on Feb 26, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

GM's wouldn't have pulled that off

We were in an awkward situation, Peppers had much of the power. They just would have waitied.

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 27, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

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