Here comes the Julius Peppers crap again!
We all knew it was coming. It was only a matter of time. Julius Peppers may have teased us early by saying the problems that he had last year with this team no longer exist, but deep in our guts we knew that this thing wasn't over. As the off-season dragged along, we eagerly awaited for the news.
Finally, the first layer of story hit us this weekend. Carl Carey, who I'm convinced is the spawn of a wicked union between the Grinch and Dr. Evil, declared via the Charlotte Observer that the Panthers have 'moved on' with the intent of allowing Peppers to become an unrestricted free agent.
That article I posted the link to gives you most of the information that you need to know. However, for those whom don't feel like reading through it all, I'll go ahead and narrow it down for you so that you all understand the situation going on here. Feel free to skim through it if you already know about the contract situation.
If the Panthers have a few options to deal with Julius Peppers.
The first is a contract extension. This first option is pretty well cut and dry, the General Manager and the Head Coach meet and communicate with a player's agent in some form or another and the two sides come up with a agreement. They sign a contract, and that player belongs with the team for x number of years for y amounts of dollars per year.
Their second option is where it gets tricky: The Franchise tag. The franchise tag is a special contract option given to each NFL team to assign to a player if they desire it. The tag is a minimum of the top 5 salaries at the player's position or 120% of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. In seasons past, each NFL team was only granted one of these tags, but since this year will be an uncapped year, each team will get two instead of one. If Peppers gets one of these tags, it would give him a one year offer of more than 20 million dollars since we franchised him for 16 million dollars last year. Once Julius Peppers signed it, he would become a member of the organization and he will play for the Panthers in 2010.
If the Panthers sign Peppers to a long term deal or he signs the tag, they could then trade him for draft pick compensation or other players with other teams in the NFL. As the 3rd option, they could also just cut him and move on with their team. In that case, they would receive a 3rd round compensation pick in the 2011 NFL Draft.
That's the basic situation in a nutshell. Long story short, Julius Peppers is a great player and the Panthers want to keep him. We went through a lot of crap in order to keep him last year, and we would not have done that if we wanted to let Peppers go off to free agency. Julius Peppers is a unique talent. He's simply a beast. You do not want to get rid of one of the best players in the NFL unless you get some kind of compensation for him. That's just one of the unwritten rules of the NFL. We can argue his value all we want, but I'm sure we can all come to an agreement that he is worth more than the 3rd round compensation we get if he simply walks out into free agency.
I have a theory about this situation. I've been thinking about this situation for a long time now. For the sake of humor, let's call it the "Carl Carey is a girlyman" theory. This is what I believe: Carl Carey smells money. That's what this situation has been about since the very beginning. Money. Carl Carey has a lot to gain if Julius Peppers hits free agency, and gains very little if the Panthers keep him on their team.
Imagine this for a moment. A month from now, Julius Peppers is released to free agency and sets the entire NFL community abuzz. What does he gain? First off, Carl gets a ton of publicity. He gets to be out in the spotlight and have the entire media watching his every move as he guides Peppers through the intense process of signing with a new team. For once, he has the entire NFL community watching over him. He likes that, and that publicity is a wonderful thing because it allows Carl to get his name out there to the new breed of talent coming out of the NFL Draft. Players who have not taken an agent yet will hear of situation and say to themselves "Wow! Look at that big fat contract that Carl got Julius this offseason! That's the guy I want to represent me!"
This may be the last season for rookies to get a big contract until the rookie pay scale in 2011. in fact, this may be the deepest drafts we may ever have in terms of talent. Everyone is rushing into the 2010 draft for the big contract. They know that if the wait till 2011, they'll get paid like a rookie. So what happens if Carl gets a ton of publicity from the Peppers situation and gets his name out there to the NFL rookies? Do you realize the amount of money that he can squeeze out of this?
Not only will Carl get his cut from a huge Peppers contract, but he'll also get to be able to sign on to a bunch of rookies in the 2010 draft and get tons of contracts done with them as well. Those tons of contracts will translate to a ton of money for him, and Carl will be swimming in cash. He couldn't care less what happens to Julius Peppers and his career, all he wants is the money! People make fun of Carey. Heck, James the Aussie called him 'inexperienced' earlier today. But I don't think he's inexperienced. I think he's a grand schemer, and wants to turn the Peppers situation into something that will benefit him. As long as Peppers gets to free agency for the publicity and Peppers gets the big contract so that he Carl gets his cut out of it, he's happy. He can go to the new rookies and say "Hey! If you like the big contract I just got done with Peppers, just imagine what I can do for you!"
If I could give any advice to Julius Peppers, it would be this. You don't work for Carl Carey, he works for you. If you like Ron Meeks and want to stay with our defense, tell him to get a deal done before a certain date or you'll find yourself a new agent. If you don't like the Panthers and you want to go with another team, that's fine too! What you don't need to do is sit on your rear end and pretend everything is going to work out, then act suprised when you're sitting down with the Raiders, the Lions, or the Redskins when it comes time to get a job for the 2010 season. When this situation is all over, you need to put yourself in a position where you know you're going to be happy. Don't let Carl make that decision for you. This is a situation that will define the rest of your career, so you need to make the right one.
As Muhsin Muhammad and Kris Jenkins found out, the grass is not always greener on the other side.
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he wants money just as much as carey
He was a pain in the butt for the Panthers because he wasn’t completely happy here, so it ended up that the team traded him due to this and other issues. That’s how I remember it.
Basically he wanted out, though I would argue he has done pretty well in New York when he hasn’t been injured. I don’t think he has struggled there at least.
So the Colts just announce they will begin contract negotiations
with Manning immediately after the SB to make him the higher paid player in NFL. I guess when you know what you want as a team you make your intentions clear…well at least Mr. Carey would agree.
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I think the Panthers would tell Mr. Carey that if an NFL offers to make one of his clients the highest paid defensive player in the NFL, he should accept the offer.
why keep him?
Look At Kris Jenkins When He Went To The Jets He Has been Hurt Everysince He Has Been There. Pep Should look At The Future Of Being Hurt And Maybe It Might Not Happen? But Money Talks And Bullshit Walks.
The Panthers should make him a fair offer
The Panthers should make him a fair offer and then let Carey shop him around as a Free Agent. If another Team makes a better offer in a good situation for Peppers, they should take it. I expect that a “highest paid defensive player in the NFL” contract offer is much more than would the open market would offer from anything but teams desperate for help, and does Peppers really want to be on that type of team?
Are you serious?
I was very surprised at the lack of knowledge of the writer of this article until I saw that he is still in high school. So, instead of ranting on about his lack of knowledge I will try to educate:
First, the vast majority of college football players entering the 2010 draft already have a signed contract with their agents so they have representation. Immediately after the college bowl season ends draft eligible players who are projected to actually be drafted, sign with an agent. Therefore your contention that Mr. Carey wants Peppers to enter free agency to gain clients for the 2010 draft makes no sense at all.
Second, had you read Mr. Carey’s statement, it is the Panthers organization that hasn’t attempted to contact him or his client. With the regular season being completed and free agency fast approaching there are only a few assumptions that can be made by the Panthers not contacting their best player or his agent to begin to try and get a deal done before free agency begins. Either they are highly incompetent, or they have decided to francise him, or they will let him walk into free agency and risk losing him without compensation. Hurney is many things, but incompetent is not one of them. The francise tag is $20 million+ so the only way that happens is if the Panthers are certain 2010 will be uncapped and they want to keep the defense intact for a superbowl run. Therefore the logical conclusion is that the Panthers are willing to let Peppers go.
My gosh!
We got another Procton! Smitty he needs to learn the Rules and Regulations.
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 3, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the blog C75...
Seems you’re already making friends. I enjoy the high & mighty types. Though, I must ask, what facts are you referring to?
So potential 2010 draftees already have agents, wonderful. Does that mean Carey isn’t potentially using this as a way to promote himself as an agent? No.
I also wonder exactly what your second paragraph is trying to prove? The Panthers are waiting for the appropriate time to address Peppers & Carey, meanwhile Carey is acting like an impatient school boy trying to get his slice of the pie as quickly as possible. Your views are so highly subjective, I had to question myself rather I thought you were Carey himself or not. Initially, it seems that you were somewhat offended that Carey was not hailed the greatest agent in the world in this post? Am I simply getting the wrong vibes?
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BTW, Big C75
regarding “it’s easier for people like you to spew nonsense with little regard for the facts” your making a pretty derogatory statement about someone on a blog you just joined. Should we paint new members like you with such a broad brush…‘troll’ maybe?
I would also be remiss to not point out the irony of that same statement, that your opinion is based on ‘facts’ regarding an event that has not played out yet. Your whole rant to Rev is based on hypothesis, not facts. Maybe the Panthers will franchise Pep…once the tag period begins, which it hasn’t.
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Welcome to the blog, I see you will fit right in with the logical, fact oriented theme here. Now for your comment.....
First of all just because the rookies have signed with an agent doesn’t mean that Carey isn’t trying to get his name out there. Someone could decide they want an agent who’s good at negotiating deals for NFL players, see Carey doing his thing, fire their own agent, then hire him. Plus Pep isn’t going to play forever. Also, are you really going to take an agents statement about his own client and the state of negotiations seriously? Especially after what Carey proved last year?
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 4, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not so fast, buddy :)
A (not The) logical conclusion is that they decided to let him go.
Another equally logical conclusion is that they’ve already decided to franchise him. If that’s the case, what do they gain by telling him now? They can let him twist in the wind and see what kind of deals his agent can find. In an uncapped, year, do you think Daniel Snyder would blanch at paying 20 million for a physical freak like Pep to line up next to Haynesworth? How about Al Davis?
When you start thinking about those scenarios, then the burden is on Carey to secure the best deal for his client. It’s NOT on the Panthers to put all their cards on the table before the betting begins.
Hurney is far, far, far more talented at negotiation than Peppers and Carey combined. And so far, there’s been no information forthcoming from the Panthers. What does it mean? It means that there’s value in being quiet, and Hurney knows it.
Stay tuned—this one may take a while to play out. :)
As far as I know
We can franchise Julius and then negotiate with him and other teams up until he signs the tender. That way, we know we have him for next season but can work on a long-term deal in the meantime, or trade him away for players/picks. It does seem strange that there has been no contact between the team and Julius, if that’s actually true and not a ploy by the agent.
Lack of knowledge huh? Haha. Guess you aren't going to pull any punches. ^^;
Yes, I didn’t run through this article and factcheck every last thing I said, but my points remain the same. The main points I wanted to make in this article is that Carey has a lot to gain if Julius Peppers hits the free agency. For the agents, you’re right. A lot of the higher round players are already going to be signed to an agent. But there are a lot of lower round guys that’ll inevitably wait to sign an agent until the very last day before the NFL Draft and start rushing about at the last moment. Carey could prey on those players, and then you have the 2011 draft and all the guys in the future. If Mr. Carey wants to get his foot in the door as far as being an agent, he may use this as a scheme to get his name out there.
Secondly, I did read Mr. Carey’s statement. I thereafter disregarded it. At this point in the game, Carey has done far too many silly things to damage his credibility to take anything he says seriously. From turning down the 2007 offer for Peppers to be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history after a 2.5 sack season to keeping Peppers from signing the franchise tag in order to try to force the Panthers to release him, he’s shown everything but a desire to work with the Panthers to keep Peppers a Panther for life. That statement he released was probably just Carey trying to make the Panthers organization to reveal their hand. To damage the chances of the Panthers working out a trade. The Panthers made the right move in coming out and saying they haven’t made a decision on him yet.
Finally, the Panthers went through a lot in order to keep him in 09, losing key OL Depth, their long snapper, and their best return player along the way. It’s clear they have a great amount of interest in keeping him, I wouldn’t underestimate the Panthers resolve so quickly. They may still believe such as I do, that Peppers is far too valuable of a player to let him hit the open market. One of our 2010 opponents could pick him up, or a division rival. I believe that it is as the Panthers have said, they simply haven’t made a decision on him for the future. It would be far more beneficial in the long term to tag and trade him, and that may be what the Panthers are quietly working on in the background.
That’s it, I’m done. Welcome to the blog by the way.
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No disrespect intended...
What part of the statement did you disregard? The part about no communication? Hurney pretty much acknowledged that in his statement.
Also, that highest paid player offer was made in 2008 after the 2.5 sack 2007 season. Carey did not accept the offer probably because he was instructed not to by his client. Peppers was set to make $14 million in 2008 because his contract ballooned at the end this usually forces a club to cut a player or renegotiate. Neither happened and so he made the $14 mil and that is what drove up his francise number for 2009. Think about it… he’s earned about $32mil for two seasons and if they francise him again that would mean $53-54mil for three seasons. Carey might be crazy like a fox….
Not so fast
While I think you raise some great points, consider this:
Carey only has one player, and that player could be going into the final contract negotiation of his career. If he wants a shot at continuing as an agent after Peppers has left the game, he needs to make his mark now. I’m not necessarily talking about for this draft, mind you.
by the bomb dot com on Feb 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
NOT SO FAST BIG C75!

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The logical conclusion is that the Panthers haven't made up their minds yet....
With the CBA still outstanding, and 6% of the active players still playing, it makes sense to hold off for a few more weeks and see how things settle out. Who knows what injuries/retirements are going to come out next Monday?
If the CBA falls on the floor, the Panthers know that they would only want a one-year contract, so they would not have to pay him for 2011 is there is no football. (Also another reason for everyone to come out early from college!)
That seems more logical
The colts only announced the Manning thing to keep it from being a distraction for the SB. Smart on their part.
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They won't have to pay anyone in 2011
It’s only the coaching staff that would get paid if there’s a lockout. The players are SOL.
2001 lockout and player pay
yes, but if they gave Peppers x guaranteed, and y in salary per year, it’s only the y that is unpaid, no?
The x is stil owed to him, and the Panthers are out the potential year of service as he gets a year older.
by panthersnbraves on Feb 4, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Need research, I guess.
I thought that sometimes the compensatory picks are the NEXT year. is that because of when the players left?
Aha. Fixed!
My bad! :D
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I hate that
I was excpecting a Hangartener pick and an Omiyale pick but we didn’t get one so I was mad.:<1
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 4, 2010 2:38 AM EST reply actions
I’m not sure that it’s all about the benjamins for Julius… who knows what’s going on in his head.
Consider this: Carey tells Peppers to take a dive… take a season off and try to get cut when he gets his 2.5 sacks. Carolina sees the ruse and offers him record money. Carey tells Peppers to reject it… that he won’t be franchised because the Panthers need to keep Gross instead and they’ll let Julius walk… and what happened? It blew up in his face again.
Carey’s an idiot. Record money after a crappy season? And rejecting it? He’s got some ulterior motive and he’s using Peppers to try to achieve it… and the Panthers aren’t playing… they’re not calling him because he’s an idiot and misguiding his one and only client.
Panthers franchise Peppers again. He signs the tender… Panthers trade him. My prediction.
I think if it were about the $$, Julius would have fired his agent and gone with one that would have gotten him the money…
Possible...
If they francise Peppers again I don’t think they would be able to trade him unless he wanted to be traded. Not many clubs would trade for him without first agreeing to a long term deal with him. This is because the new team would have to pay him $20million+ for one year if they could not sign him.
Jerry will not rent Pep for 1 season at 20M
If he is tagged, he will be traded or cut. The only way he remains a Panther is if he accepts a reasonable deal for say 3 years 39M or 4 for 50. Unless he is signed long-term, I think we saw him wear a Panthers helmet for the last time this past Sunday.
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My reply was to Rev"s “girly man theory” in which he theorized that the agent in question had an alterior motive in trying to get Peppers into free agency. If you read his blog again you will see that his theory focuses on the 2010 draft and not 2011 mainly because he seems to believe that there will be a rookie pay scale in the next CBA (whenever it gets done). Therefore the 2010 draft would be the last draft where Carey could really cash in. The theory is well thought out except for the fact that these rookies already have representation.
Secondly, I was pointing out that it is the Panthers who have not contacted Peppers or Carey (according to Adam Shefters report during the Pro Bowl). It is they that seem to be allowing Pep to enter free agency unsigned. The clock is ticking free agency begins in a little over a month, if I’m not mistaken.
Thanks for clarification.
That comment speaks to us much more than the first :).
My only rebuttal remains that, in my opinion, the Panthers won’t contact Pep until the Super Bowl is over.
I see where you’re going with the rest of it, though.
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A little more clarification...
You may be correct. I believe that the concern over the lack of communication by the Panthers is a result of the francise tag last year and the failure to get a long term deal done after Peppers signed the tender. You see after they failed to get a deal done during the permissable time period the Panthers were no longer allowed to speak to Peppers or his agent at all about a long term deal until the end of the regular season. One would think that after failing to reach a long term deal (which forced the Panthers to actually pay the $16.7mil plus the $1.5mil pro bowl bonus) and then having negotiatons cut off by rule, that the Panthers would be chomping at the bit to get a deal done before they run out of time again and either have to place another francise tag on Peppers or allow him to walk away without compensation. By waiting it is less likely that both sides will come to an agreement before free agency.
The francise tag could work out for both sides. Eventhough $20 million+$1.5million is a big number, the impact won’t be the same as last year because more than likely 2010 will be an uncapped year. Further, the Panthers won’t be on the hook to pay Peppers anything (i.e. guaranteed money from any long term deal) in the event of a lockout. This seems to be the same approach being taken with John Fox and the coaching staff (all have one year remaining on their contracts). Why extend them now when a lockout may be on the horizon and coaches, unlike players, would still get paid? It would benefit Peppers because it’s $20 million guaranteed, however it is risky for him, and he would be a free agent in 2011 or whenever the CBA is done.
I completely agree.
With Richardson at the forefront of the CBA negotiations, I hope he’s playing this very close to the chest and knows exactly what he’s doing, meanwhile leaving us fans in suspense.
I definitely agree with the idea that the tag works both ways. Personally, if I were Peppers (or his agent), I would want to be franchised this year. Unless he’s looking for a long term contract to guarantee payment in the case of a lock out (assuming they still receive payment? I’m honestly not positive on that matter). I believe I can honestly say, with my Panther pride aside, that the Panthers have a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl this year. A team desperate to get Peppers, though, not so much.
If I were Peppers, I’d take the franchise money (assuming it’s offered), play lights out all year in hopes of getting a Super Bowl ring at the end of the season, then look to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL whenever football resumes (assuming, again, that that’s what they’re after). He risks injury but that’s a chance I’d be willing to take for the ring.
If Pep & Carey think he is worth a lot now, just imagine how they’d feel with him having a Super Bowl ring on his finger.
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Agreed.
The Panthers have a great shot next year. The defense played lights out at the end of the season and with a healthy Kemo and T. Davis, and Pep back the defense would be atop the NFC. As long as the offense doesn’t continue to turn the ball over the Panthers could definitely make the Super Bowl. Pep’s value would probably go up, but you know age is always a factor….
True..
Though someone like Al Davis would probably still sign the house away for a player like Pep with a Super Bowl ring… (Not that I believe Pep would go to a team such as the Raiders or anything, just saying lol)
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Also true...
Lol! He would not go now, but if he already had a ring… maybe!
Thanks for this post! Much better worded and less aggressive than the last. ^^
I think that the CBA is going to get done in the 2010 off-season. Talks about it will drag on during the coming months, but in the end it will come down to who will budge first. The owners want to reduce salaries by 20%, and the players want to keep things like an 18 game schedule out of future plans. But a rookie pay scale? I have no reason off the top of my head why that won’t get put into the new CBA. There isn’t really a side opposed against it, it simply has to get done.
I wouldn’t be worried about a lockout too much. Guys have to get their paychecks after all.
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